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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: mysterious_shadow on July 19, 2012, 12:40:07 PM
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Hello guys,
After suffering obesity for 10 years i decided to go healthy and construct a great body. 4 years ago i was 330 lb. Now, after hard training and heavy weight lifting i am 210 lbs with 19% body fat and a muscular frame. I am a really easy gainer for both muscles and fats but now am facing extreme difficulty to lower my body fat more, specially in the chest and arms area. Now i decided to get into steroids to help me get the body i dreamed of many years ago. Some people are telling me that GH is the best for me along with some Winstrol and test. Others are saying that Trenbol with Test are the best so i can build muscles while cutting. My goal is be a big bodybuiler rather than being too much ripped but i don't want to get this while am still fatty as i will look like a balloon, so am neglecting Deca and these bulking steroids with water retention for the time being. Please i need help! What do u think you guys the best for me? I am 25 years old and 5'9 tall.
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So you cut naturally from obese to 19%. May I ask why you intend to stop now?
You can easily go down to 13-14% bodyfat without drugs.
If you are determined to do it anyway, note that higher bodyfat means more potential aromatisation, so choose your hormones/ancillaries accordingly.
Winstrol might be good for cutting, but it gave me terrible joint issues (had to take 2 weeks off because of shoulder issues that I attribute to Winstrol use).
At 19% you should be fine with a non aromatizing oral such as Oxandrolone, Turanabol, or well, Winstrol and some T3 (50-75mcg ed). No need to waste precious ressources on expensive shit when you're fat.
Not trying to be a dick here, just callin' it as I see it.
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So u think the best is to get to 15% and then start doing a cut or a bulk cycle?
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There are really no secrets out there, the average bodybuilders all do the same thing, they eat what they want and stay around 15% bodyfat and when it comes to getting shredded then cut back their carbs until they reach below 8% or even way lower. What you should be focusing on is diet, cutting back your carb intake. See everyone thinks that people take different type of juice while they are shredded and it is true they do but not cause these steroids help them get shredded but because they don't benefit from taking them while they have a lot fat on them, that's why, nothing compares to dieting for losing fat, should you take winstrol, anavar, or primo while at 19%, personal I say NO, complete waist of time until you are perhaps below 12%. GH will help lose fat sure but it doesn't compare to a no carb or a low carb diet.
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I'd try to get as low as possible bf% wise. That means 12-14% for most guys in my experience. That's when things become a bit trickier than "just don't pig out every single day". I know some people can get to and maintain way lower levels, but I'm talking absolute Average Joe here.
Forget about "bulking" unless you hit single digits. Steroids, especially a moderate dose of Test + an oral, aren't the magic bullet people make them out to be. You'll get some nutrient repartitioning for sure, but if you eat like crap, you will still look like crap.
It appears to be a really hard concept to grasp, but just try to eat reasonable. No "bulking", no "cutting". Find the right amount of food that works for you and stick to it. Takes a bit longer, but that's what I'd do. If you are determined to lower your bf%, you can cut on a way higher deficit than a natural without having to worry about losing precious lbm.
Just don't go through all that dieting bullshit just to balloon right up again from 15%.
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hard and consistent training is much more important than "diet" IMO
in fact, if your training is spot on you can get away with a somewhat crappy "diet" just eat less cals
i'm a newbie as far as the chemical aspect is concerned so i'm not the right guy to ask in those regards
cool nick by the way 8)
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you dont need help, you need to diet long term, as a lifestyle.
there is no easy overnight fix, not ih gh, not in steroids.
get bit lower bf and then do a cycle of steroids and see how you lie it.
stay away from fatburners, learn dieting properly.
train hard and consistent, its a long journey, with or without gear.
Thanks, you think man after reaching 12% is it better to cut or bulk. Btw liked ur thing natural bb = lol, hehehehe
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you should never be above, say 12-14% imo, so a bulk is a no at that state.
infact, i dont think a bulk is ever necesary, except if you want to grow really huge.
the only time where a "bulk" is useful,imo, is right after one has been really lean, by really lean in mean 6% bodyfat.
yes, there is no natural bodybuilding, it should be called recreational/socialising fitness ;D
onetimehard, whom i respect alot,hes very knowledgeable and honest guy, says 15% in the "offseason", but i think thats a bit too high, not realy needed to get that fat for gains and extends the eventualy coming diet unnecesarly imo.
hes absolutely right when he says the fastest way to lose fat is by means of low or no carb diet, but that id only do on gear, i think he forgot to add that. ???
you did very well so far, get down a bit more on bodyfat,it wont be hell dont worry, and then go on gear.
another advisory thing in regards to gear, dont let anyone talk you into a high disage cycle for the beginning.
i used to be a wild one, but grew to be kinda conservative as far dosages go.it all dpends on goals, for your goals you wont need much gear.
Thanks bro for the help! Actually i love to be a huge bodybuilder but as i said i wanted on a low body fat body so you can tell am muscular not more like a bulked balloon, lol. The question here, after getting to that body fat percentage what steroids combination do u think is best for me? GH with Test are enough? What about Trenbol, i read that Trenbol has an amazing results for both shredding and bulking! So what do u think? One more thing man, now while am dieting am getting out of energy too fast while working out cuz am low on carbs! and i dont wana lower the weights of what i used to lift! Any suggestion what to eat in a preworkout meal?! Thanks again man :)
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Hello guys,
After suffering obesity for 10 years i decided to go healthy and construct a great body. 4 years ago i was 330 lb. Now, after hard training and heavy weight lifting i am 210 lbs with 19% body fat and a muscular frame. I am a really easy gainer for both muscles and fats but now am facing extreme difficulty to lower my body fat more, specially in the chest and arms area. Now i decided to get into steroids to help me get the body i dreamed of many years ago. Some people are telling me that GH is the best for me along with some Winstrol and test. Others are saying that Trenbol with Test are the best so i can build muscles while cutting. My goal is be a big bodybuiler rather than being too much ripped but i don't want to get this while am still fatty as i will look like a balloon, so am neglecting Deca and these bulking steroids with water retention for the time being. Please i need help! What do u think you guys the best for me? I am 25 years old and 5'9 tall.
it seems the popular consensus is for you to wait to reach a lower BF (around 12%) and then start to take steroids...
i dont neccesarily think like that. Any steroid IMO ( and most of it scientifically) :
1) Help you retain muscle during calorie restriction/dieting
2) boost your metabolism in more ways than one
3) give you a general sense of well being ( mostly with test..)
4) make recovery easier
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with that being said, you can still benifit from SOME steroids even at 19% bf.
if you want to start juicing at 19% BF, i suggest you try this for 12 weeks, and see if you like the results or not
* T3 50mcg ED
* Test E /Test Cyp 250mg Every week
This is not even considered a cycle by many folks, but that alone will put you over your current plateu, and give you the kick you need to lower your BF..
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oh, yes this is true, you could start a cycle right now, the body just will have some more estrogen issues with higher bodyfat, but thats no big deal anyway.
first cycle, something soft, just take how much is needed rather than how much is possible,haha.
and no, not gh from the getgo, spare that for later.
t3, not sure if i would at that stage, there will be rebound when you go off.
test or tren?well, start with test first.
as for the eating and having no energy on low carbs, this is mostly in the head, you get used to it after a while, and esp on steroids, the steroids will give you power and recovery and agressiveness and huge pumps despite low calories.
you should post a typical day of your diet, then ppl can see if there are corrections needed and what to change if you go on gear.
a natty cannot imo get away with a diet used by steroid guy.
Thanks guys, well i think i will wait more and give it a try for 2 month and see what will happen. Galeniko, estrogen issues like what you mean when there is a higher body fat? Guys check the pic i attached, i always use this Arab champ as a motivation for me, i like to have such body, and i promised myself to have it one day! I was just wondering what do u think guys he is on? A combination of all world steroids or :D ?
As for my diet i usually do so:
Morning: Oat mean, zero fat milk, 5 egg whites
Lunch: grilled chicken with salad or so, and sometimes a piece of brown bread
dinner: same as lunch or a light salad
sometimes i eat some sort of fruits or raw nuts, also i will start taking some protein shakes soon... Thanks guys!
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I'm around the same bodyfat and was at one point years ago obese (just under 400 pounds). I am on zero carb diet + t3 + tren + low test and am losing about 4 pounds a week. There was very noticable strength loss the first few weeks, probably because of going from carbs to no carbs, but now my lifts are going slightly up (only a couple reps or a few pounds a week - but i'll take it). I don't see any water retention, most likely because I am not eating carbs. When I was eating carbs and on the same amount of tren + test I held a lot of water.
even with the tren and t3 I am still dieting my ass off eating 1600 - 1800 cals, only carbs coming from green high fiber veggies.
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I'm around the same bodyfat and was at one point years ago obese (just under 400 pounds). I am on zero carb diet + t3 + tren + low test and am losing about 4 pounds a week. There was very noticable strength loss the first few weeks, probably because of going from carbs to no carbs, but now my lifts are going slightly up (only a couple reps or a few pounds a week - but i'll take it). I don't see any water retention, most likely because I am not eating carbs. When I was eating carbs and on the same amount of tren + test I held a lot of water.
even with the tren and t3 I am still dieting my ass off eating 1600 - 1800 cals, only carbs coming from green high fiber veggies.
Strength loss while you were on test and tenbol ?!?! I would expect your strength levels to be on the roof with such cycle! I don't like cutting carbs at all. It won't work for me cuz though am an easy gainer body type i get extremely tired without at least some carbs before my workout with some fruits!! Also, as i said before i don't want to go back to small i weights i used 2 years ago just cause am on zero carbs, lol, i prefer to stay fat... Don't u think so? Thanks fo sharing man!
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Strength loss while you were on test and tenbol ?!?! I would expect your strength levels to be on the roof with such cycle! I don't like cutting carbs at all. It won't work for me cuz though am an easy gainer body type i get extremely tired without at least some carbs before my workout with some fruits!! Also, as i said before i don't want to go back to small i weights i used 2 years ago just cause am on zero carbs, lol, i prefer to stay fat... Don't u think so? Thanks fo sharing man!
I failed to mention that I was on the same amount of tren before I started this diet. But I wouldn't expect your strength to sore with no carbs no matter how much gear your on.
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Is that guy in the pic on gear? Uh yeah, tonnes of it. And to the guy who said all you need to do is train, and diet does not really matter, shitty advice...
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Is that guy in the pic on gear? Uh yeah, tonnes of it. And to the guy who said all you need to do is train, and diet does not really matter, shitty advice...
well man, this is me when i was following my own "shitty advice"
i was lifetime natty there, and i was eating taco hell, wendy's, bk, mcds, but instead of a double with cheese, large fry and large coke, i ate a single with cheese, medium fry, and ice tea (for example)
anyways, that's just my own personal experience
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I don't think the eat-whatever-the-hell-you-want approach worked for him very well if he was obese
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well man, this is me when i was following my own "shitty advice"
i was lifetime natty there, and i was eating taco hell, wendy's, bk, mcds, but instead of a double with cheese, large fry and large coke, i ate a single with cheese, medium fry, and ice tea (for example)
anyways, that's just my own personal experience
Darts said it man, i have tendency to gain fat sooooo easily, if i was to stay on junky food i assure that am gona be a balloon along with muscles below my fats. I think ur body type is the point which helped u! I think u r a hard gainer?! Right? U reminded me of a guy with me in the gym, he eats twice as what i do and he is same size as my thigh , lool ...I think the only way to approach my results is training, clean diet, and lots lots of gears lol...Thanks man
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ok, first off, if this is truly truly your goal and not just a short term fantasy/wish, then youll have to be prepared for the following in order to achieve that:
years of non stop steroid usage and definitely gh too.hard training and loads of good clean foods along with plenty of not so clean foods.
do you want this?itll be a long journey, but it could be lot of fun.
if thats the goal, start the gear immediately, and your current diet will need some adjustments.
this is pretty much peofessional level muscle mass/size.
Galeniko thanks for your motivations, lol, well your right i need gears , food and good training!! But as i told u am afraid to gain fat when am on high calorie diet to get that body! I will try to cut off some fats and then will get into gears immediately. But again man, i was told many times that GH isn't that much efficient as all people think! specially if you are on a 4 or less IU per day! And others are saying that GH must only be considered lately when the person has already experienced all steroids and no more gains from these steroids. So you can move to GH! what do u think guys?
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yeah, on just steroids,with no gh, the eat whatever you want approach can easily lead to an estrogen filled permabulker
You mean without GH i will get back obese or what? didnt get ur point bro!
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yes, dont worry, the lack of gh wont return you to obesity as long your diet is kinda clean.gh will let you get away with more bad foods, yes, and it is overhyped imo.
dont even consider gh until steroid gains come to a halt.if gh is added at that point, youll benefit the most,yes.
you can actualy jump on gear right now, as long youre willing to diet clean until say at 10%.you sound like you have the motivation to keep going long term, but its up to you.
Well yes man am somehow motivated ,but sometimes i feel like my goal is too far although i lift well now and am kind off big (as my friends tell me) with no supplements at all but i need more muscle definition to look more muscular rather than bulky and huge! On diet alone i don't think fats in tiny places would go.. Now am 100% clean, but again i suffered dieting for 3 years, and after allll that i still have some belly some chest fat and some on arms...But thanks for you guys for motivating me!! Btw,is it true that ppl used to be too much fat will suffer much more water retention than slim ones while we r on steroids??!?!?!? or it has nothing to do with that? Thanks bro
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the fat will go with further dieting, took long to get it, will obviously take a while to go away.
once on steroids, the goalposts are moved, this means its impossible to tell if youll hold more water or not, this can be controlled by many ways anyway.
if you got decent amount of muscle and lean enough, you wont be much bloated anyway, imo, its more to do with diet than genetics and/or choice of drugs.
just keep going, every training, every meal every rest time is a step towards the right direction, dont focus too much on long term goals.have something set, yes, but focus on th e near future.consistency and drive/will over extended periods is the key.
how strong are your lifts, just to get an idea
My lifts are good but also not toooo high, don't forget naturally its hard to add ur lifting weights frequently.
Usually i overhead, bench press, and incline bench press the last set with 90 lbs dumbbells with 9 to 11 reps.
I bench press with barbell 230 lbs also for 8-10 reps
I squat 250 lbs for 8 reps too.
I try to add as much as i can but now am kind of in a plateau , specially that am dieting now.
You think is there a hope? :P
Btw how old r u man? How much long have u been into lifting? Whats ur goal? and what are ur stats :D Thanks
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Don't worry about GH right now. Just get your training and diet in order.
Millions of people been in incredible shape from just a little AAS and proper diet.
Good luck!
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Yes keep dieting and training and when you start a cycle dont look in the mirror every day, once a week check yourself for changes. Building an impressive physique takes time so keep at it!! Yes at a higher bf you wont see the muscle your building like you would if you were 10% but it is there and as you get leaner you will start to look more muscluclar so i would start a cycle now if that is what you want. Just like other members suggested some test for strength and muscle save the tren and masteron when your leaner to see the amazing results that stuff gives you.
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youre definitely strong enough to start a cycle, those are very good lifts for a natty.
yes there is hope,lol, youll look good, dont worry, start with steroids, low doses first and dont worry about gh for a while, youll look great pretty soon if you keep dieting and training well.say like quite a transformation within 6 months time is possible.
im 35, trained since 15 years sometimes with years off in between, my stats?i stopped caring, heres my looks ;D
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/IMG_3317.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0494.jpg
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc490/hadabusa/DSCN0447.jpg
my goal is to look something lie this into my 50s.
dont want no more mass, this is kinda low maintanance.
WOW man, i didn't expect u have such a built :D Really amazing! Thick, wide and ripped. The nice thing about you is that you combine thickness with a ripped body! I don't like slim ripped bodies, actually not my goal!! Whats your body fat % man? What were the cycles you got the best results from? One more question bro, while you are on a cycle do u really feel like your strength is on the roof as i was told or is it just a muscle building issue?
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thx man.
the thickness comes from mainly doing heavy compounds training i think and is pronounced by not being on much drugs.yeah, slim and ripped is just not impressive.the bodyfat there ill leave for others to judge, but thats very lean, few weeks out from contest leanness.
the best results yielding cycle?well, obviously, the first couple cycles gave best gains, btw i didnt do cycles when i started gear, i just stayed on permanently.the best days have been the ones on some test e, tren and 20mg daily halotestin after a diet i clearly remember these, epic strenght.
when you are on gear, youll like magicaly gain strenght and endurance for weighttraining like out of nowhere, its not even comparable to natural.what felt heavy as natty will feel like warmup weight,lol.
that is as long you eat enough to gain, when dieting on gear, youll still be much stronger than natty, but the lifts wont increase.on diet as long they stay knda same, youre fine.sometimes you can even gain strenght on diet,esp if you been natural before the diet.
but dont worry too much about strenght and lifts, concentrate just as much on squeezing and feeling the muscles work during exercise, a good mix between the two is best.focus on the proper movement and dont let the lifting ego sucker you into an injury.
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Also i concentrate on compound exercises as u said man, but i neglect some painful ones cuz i suffered back pain a year ago, also i have some elbow pain, lol but its fine i just try to avoid painful exercises. Man i think ur body fat is like 3 % , i congrats u for the hard work uve done! I was told trenbol is amazing but too harsh on the liver...i won't consider Gh in the time being as u said, i think ill use test along with smthng else still not sure about. Also, my diet as u said must be adjusted. The day i'll start gear i will start eating like a bull lol but only clean food and whey protien shakes... You cnt imagine man how the days i suffered obesity r motivating me to have a muscular huge body i dream of all my life , but i dont know if steroids will help me to achieve it... Too many kinds of gears in the market and no ppl around me to really trust. Am still a bit confused about what to have as a first cycle to get max muscle gains, cut fat with minimum water retention... Anyways thnks man for the help, and any additional advices r really appreciated CHAMP :)
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oh yeah, make sure you get real gear ;D
im sure some people here can help you on that through pm, depending where you live.
if youre in the uk i can tell you where to go for that. :D
dont try eating like "a horse", eat the right amounts at the right time, its going to be hard enough to get enough as long the food is clean, ie, you wont suffer much starving or hunger.
yes, only steroids along with your effort will achieve a big and lean body, ofc theyll help.dont worry about compounds, just try one and see how you like it.nah, thats not 3%, nobody is 3% ;D
Well the first pic i saw showed that ur pecs are extremely defined that's why i assumed 3%, lol , anyways what ever ur bf % was, u look great and keep it up! Hope ur not experiencing extreme side effects or harsh ones from roids. I have some secured places to buy from here but i don't trust what people advice me and what to buy here.. All what they want is to sell!! That's why i asked what u think the best for me to inject in the first cycle so i can go and just buy without asking for their opinions cuz they only wana sell stuffs which isn't highly demanded in the market. What do u think man about sustanon for me along with deca for a first cycle to me? Again thanks man for helping...TC
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try sustanon or deca alone for couple months, no need to do both for first cycle, always use only how much is necesary to make further gains.more gear doesnt mean faster results by default.
id go with sustanon if i was you.
start with 250mg a week, give it some time, say 6months and then decide about other options.
Ok thanks man, ill do so i think! Hope to get good gains :)
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you will ill pm you a diet, or ill post it here, whichever you prefer
Thanks bro, post it here bro if u can, it might be useful for others!! Also if u wana suggest any additional supplements to use during my cycle... Thanks a lotttt man
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ok this diet, even for now, is too little of everything.
when you go on gear, make sure to get 200gramms of protein daily, as a starting reference.
youll adjust this later on when you see how you respond to the diet.
some people will say protein intake doesnt matter, blabla, all i can tell you, it does matter alot, esp on diet and even moreso on steroids.
always prefer whole food to protein shakes or bars if possible.
get the protein from lean meat,like chicken breast, tuna in water is ok too.
for fats, eat some salmon every day, not much, 50-100 grams.
for carbs, get carbs only from whats in vegetables for the start, adjust later on.
its not necesary to eat all 3 hours, but do spread the total intake into similiar sized portions over the day, thisll help to reduce hunger attacks.
drink loads of water, diet coke is ok.
dont have cheat meals if possible, dont drink any drinks with sugar in them.
wait until youre hungry before the next meal, every time.make sure once youre hungry, you wait some 30minutes and then have the next meal.
always.
this will give you good results, this isnt an one size fits all diet, this is roughly how you should get started.do that for 2months when on gear and then see if youre happy with it, i think youll be.
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Looks good and HARD , lool, What about other complex carbs? like oats? brown bread? bworn rice? MILK?? I usually drink a lot of milk and have like 3 portions of complex carbs specially prior to my workout within 2 hours to boost my energy level! What do u think about those who say u have to eat anything and everything during a cycle to get big!!?? Maybe these people are hard gainers not like me? Also, is there any needs for animal paks? amino acid? such things? I got a diet from a local champ here, ill post it here also, tell me also ur comments abt it bro...
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I'll post up how I'm eating at the moment:
4:00 - 25g protein shake (preworkout)
7:00 - 8 oz chicken breast
9:30 - 1 cup egg white + 1/4 cup cheddar cheese in an omlette
12:00 - 2 cans tuna + 2 tbsp real mayo + 2 tbsp mayo w/ olive oil (tastes like shit but low in cals) mixed together. I eat it with ~ 6 large celery stalks
2:30 - 1 cup egg white + 1/4 cup cheddar cheese in an omlette
5:00 - 8oz chicken breast + 2 cups greenbeans or broccoli
8:00 - 1 cup egg white + 1/4 cup cheddar cheese in an omlette
~ 1800 calories. 270g pro / 70g fat / 10g carbs (I don't record the veggies but I imagine they wouldn't be totaled to more than 200 calories)
I'm pretty big (6'5" 280) so you can probably get away with way less protein than I can
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thats a good diet man.
and yes the vegs calories sound right.
but what kind of omlette is that?got a link?
I use the egg whites from sam's club (bulk discount grocery store here) http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod3990091
Most grocery stores sells egg whites or egg beaters
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I use the egg whites from sam's club (bulk discount grocery store here) http://www.samsclub.com/sams/shop/product.jsp?productId=prod3990091
Most grocery stores sells egg whites or egg beaters
dart whats ur body fat %?? ur experienced with roids or still natural?? ur too tall, i envy u. lol kidding!!
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dart whats ur body fat %?? ur experienced with roids or still natural?? ur too tall, i envy u. lol kidding!!
Not very experienced at all but I haven't been natural for a little over a year. I keep getting high teens on the calipers going by how I look in the mirror i'd say 20 - 22%. Being tall is good because I wear the fat really well, but losing 50 pounds on me looks like 20-30 pounds on a average sized person lol.
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Not very experienced at all but I haven't been natural for a little over a year. I keep getting high teens on the calipers going by how I look in the mirror i'd say 20 - 22%. Being tall is good because I wear the fat really well, but losing 50 pounds on me looks like 20-30 pounds on a average sized person lol.
I have approximately same bf% but am 5'9 . are you getting good results with that diet?
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thats a good diet man.
and yes the vegs calories sound right.
but what kind of omlette is that?got a link?
LOL, ok, darts diet looks good too but also more stuff!! I think on that diet i will definitely lose fats but do u think it will also aid in adding muscles without much food?? I dont wana lose first cycle without adding good size along with shredding, i mean usually on the first cycle u get the best gains where as i will only lose fats without adding much with such diet, no? ... I will do it starting today! But i know myself i will suffer hunger and energy, lol...
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I'm seeing great results so far, about 4 pounds a week of weight loss. Because of the gear my muscles don't look completely deflated either - even on a good amount of t3.
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I'm seeing great results so far, about 4 pounds a week of weight loss. Because of the gear my muscles don't look completely deflated either - even on a good amount of t3.
so ur only losing fats? r u adding muscles with that diet?
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so ur only losing fats? r u adding muscles with that diet?
I'm 100% sure i'm just losing fat and water, no muscle. I think I'm adding a little muscle, but not much. I'm not too concerned with gaining muscle at this point, I just want to get to low bf% as quickly as possible and then i'll worry about blowing up.
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I'm 100% sure i'm just losing fat and water, no muscle. I think I'm adding a little muscle, but not much. I'm not too concerned with gaining muscle at this point, I just want to get to low bf% as quickly as possible and then i'll worry about blowing up.
While bulking u will add fats again, so why dont u bulk now and then cut all the fats together, better than cutting now and cutting after bulking? Is it logical u think? Also, as i said before, the first cycles u can get the best muscle gains so why u lose this benefit in cutting instead of gaining? I am not sure about this theory, what do u think guys?
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While bulking u will add fats again, so why dont u bulk now and then cut all the fats together, better than cutting now and cutting after bulking? Is it logical u think? Also, as i said before, the first cycles u can get the best muscle gains so why u lose this benefit in cutting instead of gaining? I am not sure about this theory, what do u think guys?
I would need to buy new clothes midway through the bulk if I did that haha. I don't know how true it is, but I keep reading that the lower bf you are the better steroids will work.
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LOL, ok, darts diet looks good too but also more stuff!! I think on that diet i will definitely lose fats but do u think it will also aid in adding muscles without much food?? I dont wana lose first cycle without adding good size along with shredding, i mean usually on the first cycle u get the best gains where as i will only lose fats without adding much with such diet, no? ... I will do it starting today! But i know myself i will suffer hunger and energy, lol...
what do u think about the last page posts galeniko???? Thanks darts and galeniko :)
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This is very important, if you want to look good, you need to get lean and mean first. Getting fat is for strength athletes and lazy people.
Like galeniko said, get as lean as you can first, then do a clean bulk and if you ever lose sight of your abs, you are too fat. Do this and you will always be happy with your looks and your health will be much better off. Stay away from junk food and fast food. Always eat clean and always do cardio. You will not lose muscle doing cardio on steroids, too many people do not realize what steroids do, they prevent muscle wasting. Look at top Pros and NPC guys who starve themselves and eat 50 carbs a day for weeks, they do not lose muscle. It's all bullshit.
If you are on steroids you will gain muscle, that's what they do. I have been on 2500 cals the past few weeks and i'm looking huge, no muscle loss, just lost some fat and water. I'll cut down to 1500 cals and still be over 210 pounds and below 7%. If i were not on AAS this would be possible, but these drugs do a great job at preserving muscle.
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yes, the magic of steroids, so to say, the actual big one advantage they give compared to naturals, is, they keep the muscle on you while dieting.
"bulking" is unnecsary, its just an excuse for having bad diet, really.bulking can be done naturaly, infact, youll feel terrible on a steroid bulk due to water retention and high blood pressure.a natural can bulk and gain some muscle, for guy on steroids its not necesary.
the amount of steroids in your systems will pretty much set the level of muscle you have, no matter if youre dieting on 1000cals or bulking on 5000.
the difference between the 2 will be some bit muscle weight, alright, but most of the difference would be water and fat.
bulking is never needed, on steroids, any calorie intake will work, as long there is plenty protein, the body will be programmed to use it very efficiently, if the diet is good, however if you flood the body with junk food, there wont be enough god building foods and huge junk meals make the apetite go away for too long.
always give the body just what it needs, some protein with few carbs and little fats, dont give it whatever much fits in.
think of it as a car youre filling up with fuel, dont overspill.
this is actualy good comparo, to slightly gain weight, always have the "car tank"pretty much filled up, to lose fat, always have it like the young folks who cant afford gasoline, almost empty and then they put a gallon fuel in.
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what you can get away at times on steroids is, walking into mcdonalds and spend 100usd in a huge sitting eating everything possible, if the diet is clean otherwise at all times, this wont affect looks too badly, as long you go back to clean diet afterwards again.
but having little treats with every meal and frequent small fast foods in between, thats not gonna work,it simply wont.
getting to 12% is kinda easy.im saying kinda, it still takes effort and willpower.and 12% is by no means ripped,it just lean enough.below 12% is where a body on steroids-for some reason,i guess low estrogen-starts working much more efficiently.
and once you go to say 6% bodyfat, youll see what i meant by getting to 12% is kinda easy ;D
ok, someone who knows how to go down to 6% fast, they can go to 15%, but its not needed.
the "im bulking" nonsense is not needed, its very posible to stay lean year round, its not that hard and can be managed even with having bad food very frequently, but in order to get away with that, you first gotta get lean.
in layman terms, in order to get lean, dont cheat on meals, later on when lean you can maintain while having cheat meals.thats an important diference.and hellno, no refill days while dieting,lol.ok maybe after couple weeks on no carbs at all,lol.
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Let me make sure i got your point guys
So, you guys are saying basically that the most important thing is to have a clean diet while using steroids regardless to whether my goal is ( bulk or to cut) and regardless to what kind of steroid am using!? Because while i am on a steroid cycle i will eventually add lean muscles ,but what you are saying is that: with a clean diet i could minimize estrogen related side effects like water retention, bloating and blood pressure?
So you think Deca and Dianabol water retention and bloating problems could be avoided with a clean diet?? Cause most of my friends got bloated from them but while having an extreme junky diet!
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Let me make sure i got your point guys
So, you guys are saying basically that the most important thing is to have a clean diet while using steroids regardless to whether my goal is ( bulk or to cut) and regardless to what kind of steroid am using!? Because while i am on a steroid cycle i will eventually add lean muscles ,but what you are saying is that: with a clean diet i could minimize estrogen related side effects like water retention, bloating and blood pressure?
So you think Deca and Dianabol water retention and bloating problems could be avoided with a clean diet?? Cause most of my friends got bloated from them but while having an extreme junky diet!
what we are saying is :
1) Steroids are NOT a substitute for shitty diet
2) Steroids do NOT make up for lack of willpower
3) Steroids will FORGIVE some minor lapses in your diet, but its not the golden ticket to eat whatever you want and stick sport a 6pack ( unless you take dangerously high doses)
4) Steroids will help you burn fat by different mechanisms ( increasing your metabolism, helping you gain more muscle and as you know muscle burn more calories at rest than fat, it helps you KEEP the muscles while you diet ....)
5) Steroids (test-based) will give you that general sense of well being, and positive attitude to stay on track on your cardio and diet
6) your diet,workout, and cardio ULTIMATELY determine how you will look like ( there are tons of people taking roids, almost of of them look like shit... dont believe me, watch an episode of Jersey Shore and look at those juiced up twinks who still weigh sub 200)
7) Steroids at moderate doses go a long way to help you achieve your results, but they only COMPLIMENT a healthy diet/cario/workout lifestyle.
8)more steroids do not neccesarily mean better results
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yes, pretty much this.
your friends wouldnt be as or bloated at all if theyd eat right.
mario stansfield also summed it up nicely.also, steroids are no short term fix, dont expect too much in too litle time, result will be fast, but consistency over long time is the key.
and there is no diet in the world where you can go and lose fat and then get back to old eating habbits without looking like before diet again.
but when theres plenty of muscle after a while and with steroids in blood, youll be able to get away with pretty nasty food once in a while.
but you wont even feel like eating junk every day, i certainly dont.its all about mental will and readyness, really.
Ok got your point man!
One last question bro, its more related to training!
Today while i was training at the gym today, the coach there advised me not to go heavy anymore ,and to stick to light weight with high repetitions training along with a minute of cardio between each set and set!!
He said this is the best way to achieve a lower body fat percentage...
The thing am worried about is to lose the strength i gained through all these 5 years of training and thus after achieving a low body fat % i won't be able to lift as heavy as i used to now and i have to start again :( !
So what do u think? shall i do this or stay with high weights and an hour of cardio after heavy training??
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he is an idiot.
i cant believe what im reading,lol.
train heavy, always as heavy as you can while maintaining proper form and feeling the muscle work.
you can do some light weight sets, some high rep sets mixed in between the heavy sets, just make sure you feel the muscle working.
but dont do cardio between sets,lol.
just sit down between sets, rest and focus on the next set.
you can do higher volume overal on gear, thatll help a bit.
now for the cardio, the cardio you do after the lifting.no, and also not on empty stomach in the morning, jst do it after the weights, but never before, or during weight lifting.lol, bodybuilding isnt a fitness parcour, tell that to that trainer.where has he gotten his degree from?youtube? ;D
cardio is overrated imo, its best to be active alot during the day, this will make cardio moot point pretty much.
a 2hour walk at the beach or in the city i always prefer to 20-30minutes cardio, but thats up to your preference.
train heavy, stay within 6-15 reps range, add a bit 1-6 rep range stuff at times, add some 15-25rep stuff at times, but mainly train at 6-15 reps.heavy, but controlled.
if that gym was mine, that trainer would now be unemployed
LOOL, u made me laugh as hell :D btw he is against steroids too, he told me just use fat burners and everything will go fine. He is against big size men , lol, that's why he don't wants me to go heavy , he is more into athletic slim ripped looks... Thanks bro :)
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I always cycle rep ranges.
2-3 weeks: 10-15 reps
2-3 weeks: 8-12 reps
2-3 weeks: 4-8 reps
Repeat and always do different routines, keep your body guessing, don't do the same routine more than twice in a row.
Every few months do some singles to see where your strength is.
No need to make weight lifting cardio. Lift weights to build muscle and do activities for cardio. I train Muay Thai for cardio. Find something fun to do for cardio, no reason to use a treadmill or anything like that. Ride a bike, bang your girlfriend, play a sport...etc. Make it something you want to do.
Listen to galeniko, he's 100% right about what you need to do.
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oh thats cute of him, but tell him youd rather train for your own goals than to please him visually :D
ive had a personal trainer pointing out some "flaw" in my shoulder side dumbell raises form, in a knowitall,condescending way.he looked like he absolutely never lifted anything heavier than a pencil and wasnt even lean.
i looked at him from top down, then into face, rolled my eyes and asked him if hes seriously thinking i could learn anything about training from him.he turned around on his heel like female models do on the catwalk and never bothered me again :)
if possible, always ask someone for tips who looks like you want to look in the future.personal trainers weighing in at soaking wet 120lbs giving advice on muscle building or fatloss, thats like taking driving lessons from a blind guy
HAHAHAHAHHAHA, it happened to me before, but i usually try to accept all comments and then decide to abide by or not... He must be asking u to be his personal trainer :P Bro, am feeling something weird in my right shoulder, i can train normally without pain or nothing, but sometimes i feel like a slight strange pain or dono while getting off from bed or taking off my top rapidly, today while i was doing dumbbell pull over while getting the weight back i felt it a bit, but usually i feel nothing with all exercises.. do u think it might be a rotator cuff injury or something to worry about?
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thats rotator cuff, always warm up properly before going heavy.
if the exrecise makes you hurt there, stop doing it, even if its the bench press.
i have the same thing, i got it from flat bench pressing.i can do heavy incline bench no problem, but flat bench i dont even do anymore,i do dips instead, works better for me anyway.
drop the exercise that causes this and replace with something that doesnt hurt your rot cuffs.
avoiding injury is very important, these pains are often chronical and very long term.
:( :( :( ya, maybe its from bench press cuz mainly i feel it the day after chest and benching!! I feel down and depressed when someone tells me these pains are chronic cuz i still have a long journey with this play :( , i got some pain in elbow too and biceps sometimes and back.. i feel like my body is in a degradation mode lool. i thought i only get such pains, but all lifters i ask about my pains tell me that they also experienced such issues. Do u think i must visit a therapist or need?? i really dnt have extreme pain but it disturbs me sometimes!
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yeah happens to many.the gear will make the pain go away btw.
no therapy needed, just warm up properly and avoid exercises which make joints etc hurt.
use less weight with bit higher reps.like say 200lbs for 12 instead of 250 for 8.
warm up good every single time.and no, just because its warm dont mean the body needs no warmup, learned this the hard way.
i always, always start training with a hoodie/pullover on and remove its when im fully warmed up.
warmup and less weight and avoid what hurts, thatll do
Ok thanks bro, my friend had a low back injury and the doctor asked him for a 2 month Deca injection therapy :) He was extremely happy with that LOL. Thanks for all the help