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Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3
CBS News ^ | 7/12/11 | Corbett B. Daly


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President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks. "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News. The Obama administration and many economists have


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I thought there was a trust fun with trillions of dollars? ?


The scam is coming undone. 

Hope & Change you pieces of trash - you voted for this.   

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 11:14:52 AM »
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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 11:17:02 AM »
Wasn't it LBJ who put SS money in the general fund to pay for his "great society"? There hasn't been a trust fund for a long time, and I find it a little disturbing that no one is aware of that.
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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 11:24:19 AM »
I hope Congress doesn't give in to the fear mongering.  Not raising the debt ceiling would be the most impressive thing our government has ever done.  

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2011, 11:26:23 AM »
I hope Congress doesn't give in to the fear mongering.  Not raising the debt ceiling would be the most impressive thing out government has ever done. 

Obama and his lemmings need to fuck themselves.   they drsatically raises spending since pelosi took ove rtghe congress and need to STFU. 

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 12:21:34 PM »
I hope Congress doesn't give in to the fear mongering.  Not raising the debt ceiling would be the most impressive thing our government has ever done.  

Yep

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2011, 12:42:28 PM »
Obama is trying to collapse the nation, I have zero doubt about it. 

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2011, 07:48:08 PM »
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Official Treasury Reports: Coffers Full Enough
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/official-treasury-reports-coffers-full-e ^ | July 12, 2011 | Terence P. Jeffrey
Posted on July 12, 2011 7:33:28 PM EDT by sheikdetailfeather

(CNSNews.com) - President Barack Obama told CBS News today that there may not be enough money in the U.S. Treasury to cover Social Security checks after Aug. 3 if Congress does not agree to lift the legal limit on the federal debt and allow his administration to borrow more money. "I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it," Obama told CBS News anchor Scott Pelley in an interview. However, according to the Daily Treasury Statements published by the U.S. Treasury Department, the ongoing flow of federal tax revenue since the Treasury declared that it had hit the debt limit on May 16 has been more than sufficient to cover the combined costs of federal spending on interest payments, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Veterans Affairs department and federal workers wages and insurance benefits (including wages and insurance benefits for military personnel).

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2011, 08:19:07 PM »
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Democrats and the Social Security Trust Fund Lie Exposed today
see links in thread ^ | July 12, 2011 | Reid/Obama quotes
Posted on July 12, 2011 11:25:51 PM EDT by sickoflibs

This has been one of my favorite subjects for years but today Democrats exposed themselves on it with the threat over the debt limit. Start with Democrat Senate Majority leader Harry Reid.

“Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Monday disputed warnings that Social Security is headed for bankruptcy, calling those assertions an “outright lie.” And he says the huge federal entitlement program has not added “one penny” to the federal deficit.”
Sen. Harry Reid Misleads on Social Security Financing , Tuesday, (March 29, 2011 CNS)

OK, so Social Security does not add one penny, not one! If that is the case then this must be explained:

“President Obama on Tuesday said he cannot guarantee that retirees will receive their Social Security checks August 3 if Democrats and Republicans in Washington do not reach an agreement on reducing the deficit in the coming weeks. “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven't resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,” Mr. Obama said in an interview with CBS Evening News anchor Scott Pelley, according to excerpts released by CBS News. ”
Obama says he cannot guarantee Social Security checks will go out on August 3, (July 12, 2011 CBS News)

Anyone (besides me) think to ask Democrats how raising the debt ceiling is required to make Social Security payments when they are claiming it doesn’t add a penny to the national Debt? Don’t worry. Congressional Republicans appear tied to the imaginary $2T SS trust fund too because that allows them to delay spending cuts until the distant future, you know when the imaginary trust fund runs out? So they are not ratting out Obama and Reid on it.

A tutorial for those new to the issue.
Video: A Liberal Democrat explains the why the Social Security Trust Fund is safe

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 03:34:15 PM »
What Happened to the $2.6 Trillion Social Security Trust Fund?
Forbes.com ^ | July13 ,2011 | Merrill Matthews




Well, either Obama and Geithner are lying to us now, or they and all defenders of the Social Security status quo have been lying to us for decades. It must be one or the other.

Here’s why: Social Security has a trust fund, and that trust fund is supposed to have $2.6 trillion in it, according to the Social Security trustees. If there are real assets in the trust fund, then Social Security can mail the checks, regardless of what Congress does about the debt limit.

President Obama’s budget director, Jack Lew, explained all this last February in USA Today:

“Social Security benefits are entirely self-financing. They are paid for with payroll taxes collected from workers and their employers throughout their careers. These taxes are placed in a trust fund dedicated to paying benefits owed to current and future beneficiaries. … Even though Social Security began collecting less in taxes than it paid in benefits in 2010, the trust fund will continue to accrue interest and grow until 2025, and will have adequate resources to pay full benefits for the next 26 years.”

Notice that Lew said nothing about raising the debt ceiling, which was already looming, and it shouldn’t matter anyway because Social Security is “entirely self-financing” and off budget. What could be clearer?

Unconvinced, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote a subsequent column questioning Lew’s assertions. “This [Lew’s] claim is a breathtaking fraud. The pretense is that a flush trust fund will pay retirees for the next 26 years. Lovely, except for one thing: The Social Security trust fund is a fiction. … In other words, the Social Security trust fund contains—nothing.”


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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 04:21:20 PM »
Now dirtbag reid is echoing obamas bullshit. 

Wow.  Are they trying to incite an insurrection? 

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2011, 08:12:12 PM »
It is a trust fund in name only.

LBJ/Congress turned it into general fund quite some time ago. There really isn't any money in it just a bunch of IOU's like the suit case in Dumb and Dumber except Lloyd is way smarter than most politicians. The money has been spent and the fun now (And for some time) relies on cash inflows from the payroll tax to make SS payments to recipients. In a default or something similar the IOU's would be counted as debt as the SS fund is still technically a "Trust Fund" that has loaned money to the U.S. govt.


As always, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think I have the details more or less correct.

Long story short, the citizens have been lied too for a long time on this subject and the fund is fucked.

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 02:56:49 PM »
Debt crisis punctures Social Security myth
San Francisco Examiner ^ | 7/14/11 | Editor



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Editorials Print Comments 3 Debt crisis punctures Social Security myth By: Examiner Editorial | 07/14/11 9:00 PM

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on Aug. 3,” President Barack Obama warned “CBS Evening News” viewers about Social Security on Tuesday night. “There may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.”

But how can that be? Haven’t Washington, D.C.’s professional politicians been telling us for decades that Social Security is in no danger of bankruptcy because of those trillions of dollars supposedly just sitting there in the Social Security Trust Fund? Why can’t Obama use the money in the fund to cover the Social Security checks due to be sent out Aug. 3?

The reality is that the Social Security Trust Fund is, and always has been, an accounting fiction. For nearly the entire history of Social Security, the amount of money the program received from payroll taxes has exceeded the amount of money it paid out in benefits. The excess revenue, by law, is then “invested” into special-issue, nonmarketable U.S. Treasury bonds. These bonds are marked on the government’s balance sheet as “assets” of the Social Security program, but they also are counted as debts owed by the U.S. government. In fact, $2.6 trillion of our $14.3 trillion debt is made up of bonds owed to the Social Security Trust Fund.

So what did the professional politicians in both parties do with the trillions of dollars lent to it by Social Security over the years? They spent it. That money is long gone. In order to pay off its Social Security obligations and fund benefit payments, the federal government must either use general tax revenue or borrow more money. The latter option, however, will soon no longer be available thanks to the debt-limit crisis.

In past years, the Social Security system was a net positive for our nation’s bottom line. As mentioned previously, it almost always took in more money than it paid out. Not anymore. Thanks to the recession, Obama’s payroll tax holiday and the flood of retiring baby boomers, Social Security has become a net contributor to our federal deficit. According to the Social Security board of trustees’ 2011 annual report, Social Security added $49 billion to last year’s budget deficit and is projected to add another $46 billion to this year’s deficit. And those numbers will only grow.

So will the Treasury Department have enough money to cover Social Security checks that are supposed to go out Aug. 3? American taxpayers will dispatch an estimated $200 billion to the Treasury Department in August. Instead of scaring millions of American seniors, Obama could simply instruct his Treasury secretary to pay Social Security benefits from that $200 billion. But Obama and the Democrats won’t do that because they would rather use the prospect of no Social Security checks to scare seniors into pressuring Republicans to raise taxes.



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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 08:22:42 PM »
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Social Security Scam Now Obvious
www.stolinsky.com ^ | 07-18-11 | stolinsky
Posted on July 17, 2011 9:59:08 PM EDT by stolinsky

 

Social Security Scam Now Obvious

David C. Stolinsky
July 18, 2011

Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money.
− Margaret Thatcher

If there is a silver lining to the dark clouds hanging over our economy − and that’s a big if − it is highlighting the sad fact that Social Security is an enormous fraud. This fraud goes beyond even the fact that it is a Ponzi scheme − that it depends on enough new workers joining the workforce to pay for older people retiring.

Yes, Social Security is as much a Ponzi scheme as were the machinations of Bernie Madoff, but this is old news to anyone who has been paying attention. What is new is the official admission by President Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that if the debt limit is not raised by the August 2 deadline, Social Security payments to 53 million recipients may cease. This threat may be exaggerated, but it is still a threat.

It may be a bluff to intimidate Republicans, or a real threat. But in either case, it is an open admission by high officials that Social Security depends on continuous borrowing. This admission exposes for all to see that Social Security is based on two colossal lies:

Payments are “guaranteed.”

Over the years, officials − from former Speaker Pelosi to leaders of the AFL-CIO to official statements − declared that Social Security payments are “guaranteed.” The word occurs repeatedly in descriptions of Social Security as it now exists, especially when contrasting it with proposals to privatize it.

But what does “guaranteed” mean? Most retirees assume that it means what it says − that the United States government stands behind its promise to pay benefits. But in fact, “guaranteed” is used here in a very limited sense. Payments are “guaranteed,” but only so long as (1) enough new workers join the workforce; (2) enough money can be raised by taxes or borrowing to cover the payments; and (3) the president feels it is to his political advantage to make the payments, rather than to withhold them and blame Republicans.

If a bank or other business claimed its investments were “guaranteed” in this narrow, deceptive sense, it would be closed down, and its officials subject to prosecution for fraud. But the federal government polices itself − which is impossible. So no one will punish the officials who promised that Social Security payments are “guaranteed.” Few will even point out their false promises.

In part, this is due to the fact that the mainstream media are propaganda outlets for the Democratic Party. But it is also due to the fact that we have become so used to politicians making false promises that we hardly notice. How sad.

Remember how President Bush was called a “fear-monger” for proposing fixes for Social Security six years ago? Remember how Democrats claimed that the system was sound and payments were “guaranteed,” so we shouldn’t change a thing? But now President Obama threatens that payments may stop in two weeks if something isn’t done immediately. So who is the real fear-monger?

In fact, the Supreme Court decided in 1960 that recipients have no right to payments, no matter how many years they have paid into the system. The government can decide to decrease − or stop − the payments at its sole discretion. How’s that for “guaranteed”?

Money is in the “trust fund” or “lock box.”

Obviously, if there were money in the “trust fund” or “lock box,” it would be available to cover Social Security payments − surely for at least a month or two, while the current dispute is resolved. If that were the case, the president’s threat would be seen as empty, and his credibility would sink to even lower levels.

But whether the president’s threat is real or a bluff, what does the threat clearly demonstrate? If there is no money on hand to cover even one month’s payments, there cannot be a “trust fund” or “lock box” in any meaningful sense.

Yet we have been told for decades that there is a “trust fund.” What does it consist of? It consists of U.S. bonds, but of a special type. Most U.S. bonds are negotiable. They can be bought and sold. Otherwise, no one would want them − what good would they be?

But these bonds are non-negotiable. They can be redeemed only by the government, and only at the time they are due. So even if the Social Security Administration has a truckload of these bonds, it can’t sell some to cover even one month’s payments to retirees. It can’t do anything with them.

When I wrote about this subject in the past, some readers castigated me as a fool for not understanding that U.S. government bonds are among the safest investments on earth. But were these readers correct? Are the bonds held by the Social Security Administration really safe? Are they really bonds at all?

Suppose I want to borrow $500 from you. I’m a reliable fellow, so you go to your sock drawer, take out the money, and lend it to me. In return, I give you an IOU. You put it in your sock drawer. You trust me to repay the loan, so you can count my IOU as an asset. If you were to total up your net worth, you could add that $500.

But now suppose you want $500 for a fun weekend. You go to your sock drawer, take out the money, and leave your own IOU. But you see the difference. You can’t count your own IOU as an asset. It isn’t really an IOU. It is merely a memo that you took $500 and spent it. You may put $500 back in the sock drawer some day, or you may not. But in any case, the so-called IOU is just a memo to verify that the money is gone.

If I hold a government bond, it is an asset. I know the government will repay the money. Perhaps it will repay in inflated dollars that are worth much less than what I invested in the first place, but at least the debt will be honored to some degree. On the contrary, if the government holds a government bond − especially one that cannot be sold on the market − it is not really a bond. It is merely a memo to verify that the money is gone. The money went into the general fund, and was spent on whatever the government was spending on.

All this was already clear. But now it is so clear that it is impossible to ignore. There is no “guarantee.” There is no “trust fund” or “lock box.” Monthly Social Security payments depend on the government taking in enough money that month in taxes, or the government borrowing enough money that month, to cover the payments.

In short, the U.S. government is no better than Bernie Madoff. And now President Obama and Senator Reid have openly admitted as much. Madoff is in prison for the rest of his life. All we can do is make sure that lying, thieving bullies are voted out of office for the rest of their lives. All we can do is make sure that when our elected officials use the words “guaranteed” or “trust fund,” they are not fabricating pleasant fantasies to get reelected.

And we can work hard to be sure that noble words like “guarantee,” “trust,” and “security” mean something again. We can work hard to be sure that when our government makes promises − especially to the elderly, the disabled, and the truly needy − its word is good.

 



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That’s why I call it Social Insecurity.

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2011, 08:43:48 PM »
('no budget' Dingy Harry) Reid: No Social Security checks without debt deal
Yahoo ^ | 7/14/11
Posted on July 14, 2011 1:39:16 PM EDT by Libloather

Reid: No Social Security checks without debt deal
AP – 10 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Echoing President Barack Obama's warning, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says Social Security payments would stop if there is no deal to raise the government's borrowing limit by Aug. 2.

Speaking on the Senate floor, the Nevada Democrat said flatly that payments for veterans benefits and the military, as well as Social Security, would cease if the government defaults on its obligations. His statement goes beyond Obama, who said earlier this week that he could not guarantee Social Security checks will be issued on Aug. 3.

Later, a Reid spokesman said the senator meant to say the payments "could" stop, which would be consistent with the president's comments.

Republicans have called such statements scare tactics.

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Re: Obama admitting SS is ponzi scam and there is no Trust Fund?
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