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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #475 on: May 12, 2011, 10:20:40 AM »
what are obama's quotes about dodging the draft?

Obama was born in 61 and I think the draft lasted until 74.

So if his 13-year-old ass was too good to go to war, we demand answers.

No, of all his other lies. 

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #476 on: May 12, 2011, 10:21:51 AM »
No, of all his other lies. 

I see.

So a valid defense of "Trump caught in lie about military draft" is "Obama lied about other things".

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« Reply #477 on: May 12, 2011, 10:24:30 AM »
I see.

So a valid defense of "Trump caught in lie about military draft" is "Obama lied about other things".

Gotcha.

Not at all - but if you excused Obama lies you cant call others out on Trump lies.   ;D  ;D  ;D 

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« Reply #478 on: May 12, 2011, 10:47:44 AM »
Not at all - but if you excused Obama lies you cant call others out on Trump lies.   ;D  ;D  ;D 

who excused obama's lies?  link?

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« Reply #479 on: May 12, 2011, 10:48:45 AM »
who excused obama's lies?  link?

Of all people 240?   come on now.    ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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« Reply #480 on: May 14, 2011, 11:50:08 AM »
Buying a Trump Property, or So They Thought
By MICHAEL BARBARO

For many middle-class Americans, it is the most coveted brand in real estate, synonymous with sky-piercing luxury and can’t-miss quality: Donald J. Trump.

Far from the New York City towers that bear his name, in cities like Tampa, Fla., and Philadelphia, house hunters clamor to buy into his developments, sometimes exhausting credit lines and wiping out savings for a chance to own a piece of his gilded empire.

But as Mr. Trump, who is weighing a bid for the White House, has zealously sought to cash in on his name, he has entered into arrangements that home buyers describe as deliberately deceptive — designed, they said, to exploit the very thing that drew them to his buildings: their faith in him.

Over the last few years, according to interviews and hundreds of pages of court documents, the real estate mogul has aggressively marketed several luxury high-rises as “Trump properties” or “signature Trump” buildings, with names like Trump Tower and Trump International — even making appearances at the properties to woo buyers. The strong indication of his involvement as a developer generated waves of media attention and commanded premium prices.

But when three of the planned buildings encountered financial trouble, it became clear that Mr. Trump had essentially rented his name to the developments and had no responsibility for their outcomes, according to buyers. In each case, he yanked his name off the projects, which were never completed. The buyers lost millions of dollars in deposits even as Mr. Trump pocketed hefty license fees.

Those who bought the apartments in part because of the Trump name were livid, saying they felt a profound sense of betrayal, and more than 300 of them are now suing Mr. Trump or his company.

“The last thing you ever expect is that somebody you revere will mislead you,” said Alex Davis, 38, who bought a $500,000 unit in Trump International Hotel and Tower Fort Lauderdale, a waterfront property that Mr. Trump described in marketing materials as “my latest development” and compared to the Trump tower on Central Park in Manhattan.

“There was no disclaimer that he was not the developer,” Mr. Davis said. The building, where construction was halted when a major lender ran out of money in 2009, sits empty and unfinished, the outlines of a giant Trump sign, removed long ago, still faintly visible.

Mr. Davis is unable to recover any of his $100,000 deposit — half of which the developer used for construction costs.

Another casualty: his admiration for Mr. Trump, whose books and television show Mr. Davis had devoured. “I bought into an idea of him,” he said, “and it wasn’t what I thought it was.”

Alan Garten, a lawyer for Mr. Trump’s company, said that, regardless of what Mr. Trump himself or any marketing materials had suggested, his role was disclosed in lengthy purchasing documents that buyers should have carefully scrutinized. But in an interview, Mr. Garten acknowledged that, “without a lawyer, it can be difficult” to understand such documents. He suggested that the housing market collapse, not Mr. Trump, was the cause of their troubles.

“They are people who lost money and are looking for somebody to blame,” Mr. Garten said.

Mr. Trump’s Midas touch as a businessman, sometimes real, other times perceived, is central to his presidential aspirations, which have become increasingly hard for Republicans to ignore, even as some of them cringe at his blunt remarks and boastfulness. In the next month, he is scheduled to visit two key primary-season states, South Carolina and Iowa, as he further tests the waters. “I have made myself very rich,” he said recently, sitting in his palatial suite at the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas. “And I would make this country very rich.”

But regardless of whether Mr. Trump ultimately seeks the presidency, his attempt to promote himself as a savvy financial manager who can lead America out of its economic rut is bringing new scrutiny to his own business practices.

Despite high-profile stumbles, like the bankruptcy of Atlantic City casinos bearing his name, Mr. Trump has nurtured plenty of successful projects, in real estate and beyond: memberships to his golf clubs sell briskly, his men’s suits are a hit at Macy’s, and his NBC series, “The Apprentice,” is a ratings smash. Mr. Trump, in an interview, said the show had earned him well over $100 million.

Yet in recent years, as his brand has experienced an “Apprentice”-fueled resurgence, it appears that Mr. Trump, 64, has taken an expansive approach to putting his name on products big and small. There are Trump mattresses, Trump ties, Trump video games, Trump bottled water and Trump chocolates (designed to resemble bars of gold, silver and copper.)

But it is Mr. Trump’s real estate and education products that have enticed many Americans to invest life savings and dreams of quick riches. And it is with these products, according to a string of lawsuits and complaints filed around the country, that Mr. Trump has disappointed his fans most deeply.

Opening a ‘University’

As the American housing market climbed toward its peak, in 2005, Mr. Trump opened a for-profit school, called Trump University, to impart his wisdom about real estate and moneymaking to the general public.

In marketing materials, he promised students that his handpicked team of instructors would “teach you better than the best business school,” according to the transcript of a Web video. The same year, Mr. Trump licensed his name to an affiliated program, called the Trump Institute, which offered similar classes.

Dozens of complaints about both schools have rolled into the offices of attorneys general in Florida, Texas, New York and Illinois, officials said. And last year, the Better Business Bureau gave Trump University a D-minus, the second-lowest grade on its scale, after it fielded 23 complaints.

A lawsuit filed in 2010 by four dissatisfied former students, who are seeking class-action status, accuses Trump University of offering classes that amounted to extended “infomercials,” “selling nonaccredited products,” and “taking advantage of these troubled economic times to prey on consumers’ fears.”

According to the court papers, the university used high-pressure sales tactics to enroll students in classes that cost up to $35,000, at times encouraging them to raise their credit card limits to pay for them. It promised intensive one-on-one instruction that often failed to materialize. And its mentors recommended investments from which they stood to profit.

“It was almost completely worthless,” said Jeffrey Tufenkian, 49, who along with his wife, Sona, enrolled in a $35,000 “Gold Elite” class at Trump University to jump-start a career in real estate.

Mr. Tufenkian, who lives in Portland, Ore., was especially drawn to what Trump University described as a year-long mentorship. But he said that it amounted to a real estate expert from California taking him on a tour of homes in Portland that he could have seen on his own, for free.

At one point, he said, the mentor suggested an educational trip to Home Depot, an idea he found comical; at another, he said, the mentor recommended a sales technique (selling the option to buy a house), that several lawyers later told Mr. Tufenkian he was ineligible to perform because he lacked a real estate license. He recalled how, during a much cheaper Trump class on foreclosure, he and his wife were encouraged by instructors to raise their credit card limits, ostensibly in anticipation of investing in real estate, only to have the accounts maxed out with the purchase of the next $35,000 class, a charge mirrored in the lawsuit. The fee, and the resulting credit card interest payments, have wiped out much of the couple’s savings. Mr. Tufenkian’s requests for a refund have been rejected.

“You can understand how a business makes mistakes,” he said, “but a proper business will do what it takes to make it right. Trump University has no interest in taking care of its customers.”

George Sorial, a managing director and lawyer at the Trump Organization, the company that oversees Mr. Trump’s various businesses, said that the school had a “very generous” refund policy — and that less than two percent of students ask for their money back.

Mr. Sorial called claims that instructors took students on tours of Home Depot and asked students to raise their credit limits “ridiculous” and “unsubstantiated.” He said mentors were prohibited from profiting from their advice. According to student evaluations, he said, Trump University has a 97 percent customer satisfaction rate with its 11,000 paying students around the country.

“I guarantee that if you went out and surveyed Harvard grads, you would find some who are not happy. It’s inevitable,” he said. “You cannot look at the exception to the rule.”

Students said the evaluations must be put into context: they were told to fill them out using their names, often in the presence of the instructors they were assessing. Mr. Tufenkian, for example, said he gave high marks to the program after his mentor told him he would not leave until Mr. Tufenkian did so. “I had to fill it out right in front of him,” Mr. Tufenkian said.

The school has repeatedly sought to use such evaluations to raise questions about the credibility of unhappy former students. After Tarla Makaeff, who spent about $37,000 on Trump classes, joined the lawsuit against the school, the company released raw footage of a Trump University videographer approaching her in a hotel conference room, asking her to assess the program and her mentors. On the video, her mentors can be seen standing beside her, clearly within earshot. While warning that “we just got started,” Ms. Makaeff, 37, calls the mentors “great” and “awesome.”

In retrospect, Ms. Makaeff said, university employees “were trying to cover themselves,” by putting her on tape. Trump University is now suing her for defamation, seeking at least $1 million in damages for her public criticism of the school in letters, e-mail and online. “That just shows you how low they will go to silence people,” Ms. Makaeff said.

The school’s troubles are intensifying. Last year, the Texas attorney general, Greg Abbott, opened a civil investigation into Trump University’s practices. Since then, the company has agreed not to operate in Texas indefinitely, said Thomas Kelley, a spokesman for the attorney general. (Mr. Sorial said there was no formal agreement.)

And last March, New York state officials demanded that Trump University change its name, saying its use of the word university “is misleading and violates New York education law,” joining Maryland, which issued a similar warning in 2008.

The school has since changed its name to the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, but has not held a new class in seven months as it reworks its curriculum. “It’s on hiatus,” Mr. Trump said in an interview.

The Trump Institute, meanwhile, shut down in 2009. “It doesn’t meet our standards,” Mr. Sorial said. “Our standards are very high.”

Selling the Name

Even as his empire has expanded into reality television and the clothing aisle, Mr. Trump remains, at least in the public imagination, primarily a real estate developer.

But to a remarkable degree over the last five years, Mr. Trump has retreated from that role, becoming, instead, a highly-paid licensor, who leases his five-letter brand name to other developers in Toronto, Honolulu, Dubai and even his own backyard, New York City.

The arrangements allowed Mr. Trump, who is notoriously competitive, to remain a player in the world of big-city builders without risking his own money — a prospect that seemed especially appealing as the economy began to crater . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/nyregion/feeling-deceived-over-homes-that-were-trump-in-name-only.html?_r=1&ref=realestate&pagewanted=all

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #481 on: May 14, 2011, 12:31:29 PM »
Buying a Trump Property, or So They Thought
By MICHAEL BARBARO

For many middle-class Americans, it is the most coveted brand in real estate, synonymous with sky-piercing luxury and can’t-miss quality: Donald J. Trump.

Far from the New York City towers that bear his name, in cities like Tampa, Fla., and Philadelphia, house hunters clamor to buy into his developments, sometimes exhausting credit lines and wiping out savings for a chance to own a piece of his gilded empire.

But as Mr. Trump, who is weighing a bid for the White House, has zealously sought to cash in on his name, he has entered into arrangements that home buyers describe as deliberately deceptive — designed, they said, to exploit the very thing that drew them to his buildings: their faith in him.

Over the last few years, according to interviews and hundreds of pages of court documents, the real estate mogul has aggressively marketed several luxury high-rises as “Trump properties” or “signature Trump” buildings, with names like Trump Tower and Trump International — even making appearances at the properties to woo buyers. The strong indication of his involvement as a developer generated waves of media attention and commanded premium prices.

But when three of the planned buildings encountered financial trouble, it became clear that Mr. Trump had essentially rented his name to the developments and had no responsibility for their outcomes, according to buyers. In each case, he yanked his name off the projects, which were never completed. The buyers lost millions of dollars in deposits even as Mr. Trump pocketed hefty license fees.

Those who bought the apartments in part because of the Trump name were livid, saying they felt a profound sense of betrayal, and more than 300 of them are now suing Mr. Trump or his company.

“The last thing you ever expect is that somebody you revere will mislead you,” said Alex Davis, 38, who bought a $500,000 unit in Trump International Hotel and Tower Fort Lauderdale, a waterfront property that Mr. Trump described in marketing materials as “my latest development” and compared to the Trump tower on Central Park in Manhattan.

“There was no disclaimer that he was not the developer,” Mr. Davis said. The building, where construction was halted when a major lender ran out of money in 2009, sits empty and unfinished, the outlines of a giant Trump sign, removed long ago, still faintly visible.

Mr. Davis is unable to recover any of his $100,000 deposit — half of which the developer used for construction costs.

Another casualty: his admiration for Mr. Trump, whose books and television show Mr. Davis had devoured. “I bought into an idea of him,” he said, “and it wasn’t what I thought it was.”

Alan Garten, a lawyer for Mr. Trump’s company, said that, regardless of what Mr. Trump himself or any marketing materials had suggested, his role was disclosed in lengthy purchasing documents that buyers should have carefully scrutinized. But in an interview, Mr. Garten acknowledged that, “without a lawyer, it can be difficult” to understand such documents. He suggested that the housing market collapse, not Mr. Trump, was the cause of their troubles.

“They are people who lost money and are looking for somebody to blame,” Mr. Garten said.

Mr. Trump’s Midas touch as a businessman, sometimes real, other times perceived, is central to his presidential aspirations, which have become increasingly hard for Republicans to ignore, even as some of them cringe at his blunt remarks and boastfulness. In the next month, he is scheduled to visit two key primary-season states, South Carolina and Iowa, as he further tests the waters. “I have made myself very rich,” he said recently, sitting in his palatial suite at the Trump International Hotel in Las Vegas. “And I would make this country very rich.”

But regardless of whether Mr. Trump ultimately seeks the presidency, his attempt to promote himself as a savvy financial manager who can lead America out of its economic rut is bringing new scrutiny to his own business practices.

Despite high-profile stumbles, like the bankruptcy of Atlantic City casinos bearing his name, Mr. Trump has nurtured plenty of successful projects, in real estate and beyond: memberships to his golf clubs sell briskly, his men’s suits are a hit at Macy’s, and his NBC series, “The Apprentice,” is a ratings smash. Mr. Trump, in an interview, said the show had earned him well over $100 million.

Yet in recent years, as his brand has experienced an “Apprentice”-fueled resurgence, it appears that Mr. Trump, 64, has taken an expansive approach to putting his name on products big and small. There are Trump mattresses, Trump ties, Trump video games, Trump bottled water and Trump chocolates (designed to resemble bars of gold, silver and copper.)

But it is Mr. Trump’s real estate and education products that have enticed many Americans to invest life savings and dreams of quick riches. And it is with these products, according to a string of lawsuits and complaints filed around the country, that Mr. Trump has disappointed his fans most deeply.

Opening a ‘University’

As the American housing market climbed toward its peak, in 2005, Mr. Trump opened a for-profit school, called Trump University, to impart his wisdom about real estate and moneymaking to the general public.

In marketing materials, he promised students that his handpicked team of instructors would “teach you better than the best business school,” according to the transcript of a Web video. The same year, Mr. Trump licensed his name to an affiliated program, called the Trump Institute, which offered similar classes.

Dozens of complaints about both schools have rolled into the offices of attorneys general in Florida, Texas, New York and Illinois, officials said. And last year, the Better Business Bureau gave Trump University a D-minus, the second-lowest grade on its scale, after it fielded 23 complaints.

A lawsuit filed in 2010 by four dissatisfied former students, who are seeking class-action status, accuses Trump University of offering classes that amounted to extended “infomercials,” “selling nonaccredited products,” and “taking advantage of these troubled economic times to prey on consumers’ fears.”

According to the court papers, the university used high-pressure sales tactics to enroll students in classes that cost up to $35,000, at times encouraging them to raise their credit card limits to pay for them. It promised intensive one-on-one instruction that often failed to materialize. And its mentors recommended investments from which they stood to profit.

“It was almost completely worthless,” said Jeffrey Tufenkian, 49, who along with his wife, Sona, enrolled in a $35,000 “Gold Elite” class at Trump University to jump-start a career in real estate.

Mr. Tufenkian, who lives in Portland, Ore., was especially drawn to what Trump University described as a year-long mentorship. But he said that it amounted to a real estate expert from California taking him on a tour of homes in Portland that he could have seen on his own, for free.

At one point, he said, the mentor suggested an educational trip to Home Depot, an idea he found comical; at another, he said, the mentor recommended a sales technique (selling the option to buy a house), that several lawyers later told Mr. Tufenkian he was ineligible to perform because he lacked a real estate license. He recalled how, during a much cheaper Trump class on foreclosure, he and his wife were encouraged by instructors to raise their credit card limits, ostensibly in anticipation of investing in real estate, only to have the accounts maxed out with the purchase of the next $35,000 class, a charge mirrored in the lawsuit. The fee, and the resulting credit card interest payments, have wiped out much of the couple’s savings. Mr. Tufenkian’s requests for a refund have been rejected.

“You can understand how a business makes mistakes,” he said, “but a proper business will do what it takes to make it right. Trump University has no interest in taking care of its customers.”

George Sorial, a managing director and lawyer at the Trump Organization, the company that oversees Mr. Trump’s various businesses, said that the school had a “very generous” refund policy — and that less than two percent of students ask for their money back.

Mr. Sorial called claims that instructors took students on tours of Home Depot and asked students to raise their credit limits “ridiculous” and “unsubstantiated.” He said mentors were prohibited from profiting from their advice. According to student evaluations, he said, Trump University has a 97 percent customer satisfaction rate with its 11,000 paying students around the country.

“I guarantee that if you went out and surveyed Harvard grads, you would find some who are not happy. It’s inevitable,” he said. “You cannot look at the exception to the rule.”

Students said the evaluations must be put into context: they were told to fill them out using their names, often in the presence of the instructors they were assessing. Mr. Tufenkian, for example, said he gave high marks to the program after his mentor told him he would not leave until Mr. Tufenkian did so. “I had to fill it out right in front of him,” Mr. Tufenkian said.

The school has repeatedly sought to use such evaluations to raise questions about the credibility of unhappy former students. After Tarla Makaeff, who spent about $37,000 on Trump classes, joined the lawsuit against the school, the company released raw footage of a Trump University videographer approaching her in a hotel conference room, asking her to assess the program and her mentors. On the video, her mentors can be seen standing beside her, clearly within earshot. While warning that “we just got started,” Ms. Makaeff, 37, calls the mentors “great” and “awesome.”

In retrospect, Ms. Makaeff said, university employees “were trying to cover themselves,” by putting her on tape. Trump University is now suing her for defamation, seeking at least $1 million in damages for her public criticism of the school in letters, e-mail and online. “That just shows you how low they will go to silence people,” Ms. Makaeff said.

The school’s troubles are intensifying. Last year, the Texas attorney general, Greg Abbott, opened a civil investigation into Trump University’s practices. Since then, the company has agreed not to operate in Texas indefinitely, said Thomas Kelley, a spokesman for the attorney general. (Mr. Sorial said there was no formal agreement.)

And last March, New York state officials demanded that Trump University change its name, saying its use of the word university “is misleading and violates New York education law,” joining Maryland, which issued a similar warning in 2008.

The school has since changed its name to the Trump Entrepreneur Initiative, but has not held a new class in seven months as it reworks its curriculum. “It’s on hiatus,” Mr. Trump said in an interview.

The Trump Institute, meanwhile, shut down in 2009. “It doesn’t meet our standards,” Mr. Sorial said. “Our standards are very high.”

Selling the Name

Even as his empire has expanded into reality television and the clothing aisle, Mr. Trump remains, at least in the public imagination, primarily a real estate developer.

But to a remarkable degree over the last five years, Mr. Trump has retreated from that role, becoming, instead, a highly-paid licensor, who leases his five-letter brand name to other developers in Toronto, Honolulu, Dubai and even his own backyard, New York City.

The arrangements allowed Mr. Trump, who is notoriously competitive, to remain a player in the world of big-city builders without risking his own money — a prospect that seemed especially appealing as the economy began to crater . . .
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/13/nyregion/feeling-deceived-over-homes-that-were-trump-in-name-only.html?_r=1&ref=realestate&pagewanted=all


Bay...very nice article....a lot of people outside of NY don';t know that trump is a con man....he is really not good at business except in selling his name and putting it on products and buildings that he really doesn't own....trump knows that running for president would be a disaster for him because all of his shady business deals would come out and he would have to disclose his finances which would show he is not as rich as people think and that his casinos are basically bankrupt

This the guy that 3333 worships and wants to run for president??????????

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« Reply #482 on: May 14, 2011, 12:41:54 PM »
Rezko anyone?

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« Reply #483 on: May 14, 2011, 01:34:19 PM »
Rezko anyone?

Pathetic attempt to deflect away the sinking ship that is Trump's presidential aspirations.  :(
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« Reply #484 on: May 14, 2011, 01:43:53 PM »
trump is so awesome

I am voting for him.
The carnival barker is not running.  ::)

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« Reply #485 on: May 14, 2011, 05:45:18 PM »
Pathetic attempt to deflect away the sinking ship that is Trump's presidential aspirations.  :(

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« Reply #486 on: May 15, 2011, 07:47:21 PM »
Bay...very nice article....a lot of people outside of NY don';t know that trump is a con man....he is really not good at business except in selling his name and putting it on products and buildings that he really doesn't own....trump knows that running for president would be a disaster for him because all of his shady business deals would come out and he would have to disclose his finances which would show he is not as rich as people think and that his casinos are basically bankrupt

This the guy that 3333 worships and wants to run for president??????????

Trump was never serious about running for president.  He merely wanted attention for his "brand" and the Apprentice. ::)

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« Reply #487 on: May 15, 2011, 08:26:43 PM »
Trump was never serious about running for president.  He merely wanted attention for his "brand" and the Apprentice. ::)

Exactly... That's why every statement he made was "If I were the President." or "If I run for the office of President of the United States."

He can not do it and simply say, well, I didn't lie.

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« Reply #488 on: May 16, 2011, 08:23:07 AM »
Exactly... That's why every statement he made was "If I were the President." or "If I run for the office of President of the United States."

He can not do it and simply say, well, I didn't lie.

he used the GOP nominee position to pimp his TV show.  He cast doubt upon the legitimacy of the leader of our nation to sell more ad time for NBC.  He wasted a lot of airtime we could have been seeing legitimate GOP threats to Obama.  And he made a lot of getbiggers look stupid with their "Trump 2012" threads.

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« Reply #489 on: May 16, 2011, 08:27:06 AM »
he used the GOP nominee position to pimp his TV show.  He cast doubt upon the legitimacy of the leader of our nation to sell more ad time for NBC.  He wasted a lot of airtime we could have been seeing legitimate GOP threats to Obama.  And he made a lot of getbiggers look stupid with their "Trump 2012" threads.

Hey - it was entertaining no?    ;D

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« Reply #490 on: May 16, 2011, 08:28:39 AM »
Hey - it was entertaining no?    ;D

I'd rather be governed than entertained.

I'd rather the last 2 months were dedicated to Ryan, Romney, newt, Palin, huck, Jeb and Christie holding meetings on FOX each evening, hammering out a workable and realistic budget for america to see.

But hey, we were entertained :)

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« Reply #491 on: May 16, 2011, 08:31:23 AM »
I'd rather be governed than entertained.

I'd rather the last 2 months were dedicated to Ryan, Romney, newt, Palin, huck, Jeb and Christie holding meetings on FOX each evening, hammering out a workable and realistic budget for america to see.

But hey, we were entertained :)

Not going to happen - all we hear about now are Ryan killing old old people, Newts' ex wives, Romney's flip flops, Huck's pastor schtick, etc etc. 

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« Reply #492 on: May 16, 2011, 08:37:05 AM »
Not going to happen - all we hear about now are Ryan killing old old people, Newts' ex wives, Romney's flip flops, Huck's pastor schtick, etc etc. 

FOX plays along too dude.  it's not about 'left' media.  it's about ratings.  FOX plays the same bullshite too.

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #493 on: May 16, 2011, 08:38:22 AM »
FOX plays along too dude.  it's not about 'left' media.  it's about ratings.  FOX plays the same bullshite too.

For the 1,456,212 time - I hate Fox News. 

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #494 on: May 16, 2011, 08:46:21 AM »
For the 1,456,212 time - I hate Fox News. 

drudge too.  "China Red" making fun of michelle's dress as the headline?  They do the same thing as fox and msnbc.  play upon emotions of anger and fear for ratings.

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #495 on: May 16, 2011, 08:51:00 AM »
Not going to happen - all we hear about now are Ryan killing old old people, Newts' ex wives, Romney's flip flops, Huck's pastor schtick, etc etc. 

thats why ya gonna lose

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #496 on: May 16, 2011, 08:52:00 AM »
thats why ya gonna lose

No, that is why the nation is going to lose. 

Obama's success = America's failure and collapse. 

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #497 on: May 16, 2011, 08:55:23 AM »
No, that is why the nation is going to lose. 

Obama's success = America's failure and collapse. 

if a republican is elected the nation will definitely lose....raising taxes is the only way to balance the budget....Repubs have their head in the sand and will watch the deficit grow to prove a point

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #498 on: May 16, 2011, 08:56:32 AM »
if a republican is elected the nation will definitely lose....raising taxes is the only way to balance the budget....Repubs have their head in the sand and will watch the deficit grow to prove a point

Ha ha ha ha ha - unreal.   What a joke you are.   Who are you going to raise taxes on?

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Re: Trump to run for President - "The World laughs at us under Obama"
« Reply #499 on: May 16, 2011, 09:25:50 AM »
if a republican is elected the nation will definitely lose....raising taxes is the only way to balance the budget....Repubs have their head in the sand and will watch the deficit grow to prove a point

The nation has already lost because of Obama. What the hell are you babbling about?  It can't get any worst!  The Democrats were the ones who kept their heads in the sand, worrying more about passing Obamacare and the Stim bill when they had control of both houses and the presidency, and just watched the nation go bankrupt.  Obama and the Dems have proven they are no better than the previous administration.

It is a lie when you say raising taxes is the only way to balance the budget. It is not the only way. Expenses need to be cut. You lie and you know it.