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For the first time is a couple of years I am on holiday in Florida with my wife, son, daughter and son's gf.
We went to SeaWorld today and I saw a lot of guys aged between 30 and 60 wearing "Veteran" T shirts and baseball caps. Some people were shaking their hands and thanking them for their service.
Well I did over 10 years in the service and my dad and 2 uncles fought in WW2 while my grandpa and 4 of his brothers fought in WW1. Only 2 came home alive.
I don't remember my grandpa, great uncles, dad or uncles mentioning their service. They fought against Germany twice, did their duty, respected their fallen comrades and went about building their lives in peace time. My dad and grandpa NEVER volunteered the fact they were VETS.
What is it about the current generation of VETS that they have to show the world that they are VETS. I mean, recent VETS are acting on the instructions of big business whereas our dads and grand dads actually fought a real was against German domination and never spoke about it again. Why do current day VETS have to wear their service like a badge on honour whereas our forefathers just quietly got on with their lives.
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I see the old vets from WW2 and Korea wearing their vet hats all the Time. This is nothing new and nothing wrong with it at all. My neighbor is a 93 year old WW2 vet whom wears his stuff all the time. A great man he is and I love talking to him, he served on every island campaign in the Pacific.
I have however seen some new vets looking for the attention so I do see what you mean once in awhile.
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What's the problem exactly
I don't have a problem exactly. It's just a bit strange seeing guys aged 30 milking their time in the service whereas our fathers and grandfathers did their duty to really protect our freedom and yet NEVER talked about it again.
Lest we forge the REAL heroes against tyranny.
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I see the old vets from WW2 and Korea wearing their vet hats all the Time. This is nothing new and nothing wrong with it at all. My neighbor is a 93 year old WW2 vet whom wears his stuff all the time. A great man he is and I love talking to him, he served on every island campaign in the Pacific.
I have however seen some new vets looking for the attention so I do see what you mean once in awhile.
Your neighbour sounds like a real hero to me. Actually fighting for freedom from the hun back in the day. God bless him.
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It's more an American cultural thing.
I have ex Royal Marines and Paras working for me, and I also know countless ex British servicemen, and other than the traits they picked up in the Forces (self discipline, often still leaner and more wirey physically) you'd never know.
And the tattoos of course.
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I see the old vets from WW2 and Korea wearing their vet hats all the Time. This is nothing new and nothing wrong with it at all. My neighbor is a 93 year old WW2 vet whom wears his stuff all the time. A great man he is and I love talking to him, he served on every island campaign in the Pacific.
I have however seen some new vets looking for the attention so I do see what you mean once in awhile.
nothing wrong with at all. Buy any of These old guys a drink. My Uncle Donald ( who i´m called after) was in N Africa with Montgomery and was his Driver. He never mentioned it at all until i joined up and he asked we what i was joining. I´m proud to have served with 40 field Regiment RA (the lowland Gunners) AYE... ;)
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Haha, sounds like a bitter cold war "warrior" to me. Does the sight of all these youngsters with gongs on their chests and gucci war dits cause you to gnash your teeth and smash your keyboard in jealousy?
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i think it an american thing
when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
they are very patriotic too
british people are by nature reserved and dont expect credit for stuff
i think we should celebrate our veterans more they make incredible sacrifices for not a lot in return
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i think it an american thing
when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
they are very patriotic too
british people are by nature reserved and dont expect credit for stuff
i think we should celebrate our veterans more they make incredible sacrifices for not a lot in return
I think its a bit of an American thing as well.
My grandpa was in ww2 and you can ask him about it, all he will say is that japs die easy and sake tastes like piss.
He didnt sit on his ass after and sulk though, he got a job raised a family etc.
Now you see people with a shit ton of ptsd etc. I dunno what changed. I cant speak on it though as I wasnt there. It just seems war fucks people up more, maybe its because they are told they should be effected now. Who knows. I can only speak from speculation though
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i think it an american thing
when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
they are very patriotic too
british people are by nature reserved and dont expect credit for stuff
i think we should celebrate our veterans more they make incredible sacrifices for not a lot in return
This is what we have lost in the UK Patriotism.
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I think its a bit of an American thing as well.
My grandpa was in ww2 and you can ask him about it, all he will say is that japs die easy and sake tastes like piss.
He didnt sit on his ass after and sulk though, he got a job raised a family etc.
Now you see people with a shit ton of ptsd etc. I dunno what changed. I cant speak on it though as I wasnt there. It just seems war fucks people up more, maybe its because they are told they should be effected now. Who knows. I can only speak from speculation though
The only place i know some spoke about it was the Masonic lodge i drunk in sometimes. Not about bad things just bought you a drink and asked where you are.
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I think its a bit of an American thing as well.
My grandpa was in ww2 and you can ask him about it, all he will say is that japs die easy and sake tastes like piss.
He didnt sit on his ass after and sulk though, he got a job raised a family etc.
Now you see people with a shit ton of ptsd etc. I dunno what changed. I cant speak on it though as I wasnt there. It just seems war fucks people up more, maybe its because they are told they should be effected now. Who knows. I can only speak from speculation though
I think its a good thing people are able to admit that they've been effected. It's got to be better than the old days when blokes used to bottle it up and end up hitting the booze and/or their missus.
Also, maybe the asymmetric nature of modern warfare and lack of a "frontline" means that there is a greater chance of troops in theatre being involved in a contact etc, than in previous conflicts? The percentage of troops involved in fighting in WW2 was not that high.
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I think its a good thing people are able to admit that they've been effected. It's got to be better than the old days when blokes used to bottle it up and end up hitting the booze and/or their missus.
Also, maybe the asymmetric nature of modern warfare and lack of a "frontline" means that there is a greater chance of troops in theatre being involved in a contact etc, than in previous conflicts? The percentage of troops involved in fighting in WW2 was not that high.
It's acknowledged as an actual disease, not just swept under the rug where the issues are left to fester & grow.
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Let's get this straight, no disrespect to current military or the enlisted within the last 10-15 years but this current military generation atleast 70-80% enlist bevause it's their only option after high school or to pay for college. It's not about patriotism for that percentage group. Nothing wrong with that, but the honor of serving takes a backseat to the benefits they will reap. I don't blame them one bit.
Comparing ww1 & ww2 vets to Middle East vets, IMO is apples and oranges. Different circumstances, totally different mindset.
Regardless, I am thankful for their service.
I agree too that people too often wear their "accomplishments" on their sleeves too much for everyone to give them attenrion over. Keep your fucking hat low & carry on you attention whores. I hate that shit
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Let's get this straight, no disrespect to current military or the enlisted within the last 10-15 years but this current military generation atleast 70-80% enlist bevause it's their only option after high school or to pay for college. It's not about patriotism for that percentage group. Nothing wrong with that, but the honor of serving takes a backseat to the benefits they will reap. I don't blame them one bit.
Comparing ww1 & ww2 vets to Middle East vets, IMO is apples and oranges. Different circumstances, totally different mindset.
Regardless, I am thankful for their service.
I agree too that people too often wear their "accomplishments" on their sleeves too much for everyone to give them attenrion over. Keep your fucking hat low & carry on you attention whores. I hate that shit
Well sure, but it's not like past servicemen were enlisting for the honor of it: they were drafted!
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when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
I hope you hugged him/her.
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I think its a good thing people are able to admit that they've been effected. It's got to be better than the old days when blokes used to bottle it up and end up hitting the booze and/or their missus.
Also, maybe the asymmetric nature of modern warfare and lack of a "frontline" means that there is a greater chance of troops in theatre being involved in a contact etc, than in previous conflicts? The percentage of troops involved in fighting in WW2 was not that high.
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EXACTLY!!! Alcoholism amongst WW2 veterans was VERY high due to (at the time) very little drunk-driving enforcement (also no laws/no technology to test blood alcohol).
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Let's get this straight, no disrespect to current military or the enlisted within the last 10-15 years but this current military generation atleast 70-80% enlist bevause it's their only option after high school or to pay for college. It's not about patriotism for that percentage group. Nothing wrong with that, but the honor of serving takes a backseat to the benefits they will reap. I don't blame them one bit.
Comparing ww1 & ww2 vets to Middle East vets, IMO is apples and oranges. Different circumstances, totally different mindset.
Regardless, I am thankful for their service.
I agree too that people too often wear their "accomplishments" on their sleeves too much for everyone to give them attenrion over. Keep your fucking hat low & carry on you attention whores. I hate that shit
It really depends on the branch and the job.
Almost everyone who joinds the Marine infantry volunteers because they want to fight or serve. They dont do it to collect a paycheck, or for school. Those kids join the Air force and Navy and are always noncombat roles.
The kids with no options join the army usually. Army infantry unlike the Marines many times are those who can't do anything else. The army gave huge signing bonuses. In my experience, people who join the Army and want to fight join army airborne, rangers, or SF. Regular army infantry seemed to be the bottom of the barrel who couldnt do anything else.
People who join the marines do so because its a calling, marine life is hell compare to other branches and no one chooses that route just because. They have reasons.
So its pretty diverse and I wouldnt necessarily say its 75-80 who couldnt do anything else... believe it or not, most people actually doing the fighting are there because they WANT to be, because they choose to be, because they believe in something... not necessarily the government or the mission, but something that drives them to put themselves into harms way. Which is exactly the way it should be.... you want people fighting who want to be there.
The kids youre referencing dont join the military to fight, or put themselves in the line of fire. They go for the cushy jobs, the POGs, admins, supply, computer guys, etc, etc.
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It really depends on the branch and the job.
Almost everyone who joinds the Marine infantry volunteers because they want to fight or serve. They dont do it to collect a paycheck, or for school. Those kids join the Air force and Navy and are always noncombat roles.
The kids with no options join the army usually. Army infantry unlike the Marines many times are those who can't do anything else. The army gave huge signing bonuses. In my experience, people who join the Army and want to fight join army airborne, rangers, or SF. Regular army infantry seemed to be the bottom of the barrel who couldnt do anything else.
People who join the marines do so because its a calling, marine life is hell compare to other branches and no one chooses that route just because. They have reasons.
So its pretty diverse and I wouldnt necessarily say its 75-80 who couldnt do anything else... believe it or not, most people actually doing the fighting are there because they WANT to be, because they choose to be, because they believe in something... not necessarily the government or the mission, but something that drives them to put themselves into harms way. Which is exactly the way it should be.... you want people fighting who want to be there.
The kids youre referencing dont join the military to fight, or put themselves in the line of fire. They go for the cushy jobs, the POGs, admins, supply, computer guys, etc, etc.
well the US army must be very Different to the UK. British Army Infantry are Front line and always have been.
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well the US army must be very Different to the UK. British Army Infantry are Front line and always have been.
US Army infantry are line troops as well... but the recruits that WANT to be infantry usually volunteer for the Marines, Airborne, Rangers, or SF. Army infantry is the bottom of the barrel for the US military.
The Marines are used more now as the primary assault force than the Army is... thats why theyre always referred ttos the 'tip of the spear'. They use us as front line 'shock' troops.
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I don't remember my grandpa, great uncles, dad or uncles mentioning their service.
Hmmm.... same here... rarely
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US Army infantry are line troops as well... but the recruits that WANT to be infantry usually volunteer for the Marines, Airborne, Rangers, or SF. Army infantry is the bottom of the barrel for the US military.
The Marines are used more now as the primary assault force than the Army is... thats why theyre always referred ttos the 'tip of the spear'. They use us as front line 'shock' troops.
Not saying anyone is better but that would suggest to me that your Marines are about the Standard of the British Infantry soldier.
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I respect veterans. I admire and thank police, firefighters. I thank teachers too.
But what I dislike is when they get drunk in bars and try to use it as leverage. I'm playing the club and someone is 6 shots in, trying to call another dude "you're not a REAL man because you didn't serve like I did..."
that isn't cool. That removes the reverence of the great service they gave our country when they try to weaponize it to get laid or just one-up another dude on a barstool. Another gem was "Hey, where's my firefighter discount!" lol
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I respect veterans. I admire and thank police, firefighters. I thank teachers too.
But what I dislike is when they get drunk in bars and try to use it as leverage. I'm playing the club and someone is 6 shots in, trying to call another dude "you're not a REAL man because you didn't serve like I did..."
that isn't cool. That removes the reverence of the great service they gave our country when they try to weaponize it to get laid or just one-up another dude on a barstool. Another gem was "Hey, where's my firefighter discount!" lol
yes you are right, some are dicks. we used to have regiments fighting each other here. when i was in Hohne Garrison we had a lot of Trouble with the Welsh Guards. Local Disco was a battle ground on a Saturday night. Go for a piss you had to watch your back.
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I think its a bit of an American thing as well.
My grandpa was in ww2 and you can ask him about it, all he will say is that japs die easy and sake tastes like piss.
He didnt sit on his ass after and sulk though, he got a job raised a family etc.
Now you see people with a shit ton of ptsd etc. I dunno what changed. I cant speak on it though as I wasnt there. It just seems war fucks people up more, maybe its because they are told they should be effected now. Who knows. I can only speak from speculation though
past soldiers were more religious and convinced to do it for god which helped a lot. Modern soldiers are atheist who are having a hard time dealing with the absurdity of violent deaths around them. Also life was harder in the past.
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Not saying anyone is better but that would suggest to me that your Marines are about the Standard of the British Infantry soldier.
It may be. Not really sure about how the Brit Army is organized. Its just how the US military has been used/organized recently. In the past, the Marines were reserved for beach landing/amphibious assaults, and the Army would follow us in afterwards (such as the WWII Pacific Island hopping, and the Korean landings at Inchon).. but our success, and our particularly aggressive style wound up putting us as the go-to assault force for modern US warfare doctrine.
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Chill Big Al.
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i think it an american thing
when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
they are very patriotic too
british people are by nature reserved and dont expect credit for stuff
i think we should celebrate our veterans more they make incredible sacrifices for not a lot in return
WTF is a "9/11 survivor"? Unless the dude was in one of the buildings and got out before it collapsed, that's a BS statement. It's probably some pansy-ass that lived in the East Village and got a whiff of the dust. That's fucken retarded.
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It may be. Not really sure about how the Brit Army is organized. Its just how the US military has been used/organized recently. In the past, the Marines were reserved for beach landing/amphibious assaults, and the Army would follow us in afterwards (such as the WWII Pacific Island hopping, and the Korean landings at Inchon).. but our success, and our particularly aggressive style wound up putting us as the go-to assault force for modern US warfare doctrine.
For the love of God, don't get the jarheads all spun up! :D
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It may be. Not really sure about how the Brit Army is organized. Its just how the US military has been used/organized recently. In the past, the Marines were reserved for beach landing/amphibious assaults, and the Army would follow us in afterwards (such as the WWII Pacific Island hopping, and the Korean landings at Inchon).. but our success, and our particularly aggressive style wound up putting us as the go-to assault force for modern US warfare doctrine.
yes the US Marines saw horrific action in WW2....very brave and respected.
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Let's get this straight, no disrespect to current military or the enlisted within the last 10-15 years but this current military generation atleast 70-80% enlist bevause it's their only option after high school or to pay for college. It's not about patriotism for that percentage group. Nothing wrong with that, but the honor of serving takes a backseat to the benefits they will reap. I don't blame them one bit.
Comparing ww1 & ww2 vets to Middle East vets, IMO is apples and oranges. Different circumstances, totally different mindset.
Regardless, I am thankful for their service.
I agree too that people too often wear their "accomplishments" on their sleeves too much for everyone to give them attenrion over. Keep your fucking hat low & carry on you attention whores. I hate that shit
Those "benefits" are what attract and retain many people in the military. If those weren't available, we'd have an active draft in-process...just like in the past.
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I am a veteran of this board and you don't see me going on about it.
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I am a veteran of this board and you don't see me going on about it.
Actually yes we do ;D
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I don't have a problem exactly. It's just a bit strange seeing guys aged 30 milking their time in the service whereas our fathers and grandfathers did their duty to really protect our freedom and yet NEVER talked about it again.
Lest we forge the REAL heroes against tyranny.
They are simply wearing hats & t-shirts.
What do you propose - a ban on clothing with "veteran" on it?
My buddy fought in Vietnam, he's in his 60s now - a great guy. He'll talk about what he did there as an airborne ranger if asked. He neither brags about it nor hides it if asked.
Last time he came over, he had a hat on that I presume was representing his unit over there. Can't remember which unit but said "Airborne" and left you with no doubt he was a vet.
Looked pretty cool to me to be honest.
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Being honest if i was a Young Man or Woman in the US and wanted to educate myself to get on in life i would do 5 years in The Military. If you are 18/20 5 years is nothing. OK risks are there but you´ll set yourself up and make Friends for life. I wish the UK army paid for a College Education. Credits or whatever it´s called over there.
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Being honest if i was a Young Man or Woman in the US and wanted to educate myself to get on in life i would do 5 years in The Military. If you are 18/20 5 years is nothing. OK risks are there but you´ll set yourself up and make Friends for life. I wish the UK army paid for a College Education. Credits or whatever it´s called over there.
They do. If you sign off after 4 yrs they'll pay your tuition fees for your first degree.
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They do. If you sign off after 4 yrs they'll pay your tuition fees for your first degree.
Got it on a silver plate. 4 years is nothing or even 5. We never had that Chance. Some of These Young People over there don´t know what a Chance it is.
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Tbf, most of the people I know getting out at the four and five year point joined up to go to Afghanistan, experienced it and now want to go and do something different. Fair play to them and if the government will pay, even better.
It's not as if the army is going to be anything other than bullshit central for the foreseeable future.
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I understand why people who have recently been in service would want to display their accomplishments, it is fresh and at this point in their lives very meaningful and I have no problem with it.
What I do not get is some old guy wearing all his regalia from Vietnam everyday, its been 40 years. If you want to wear it on occasions that is understandable, but all the time? Let it go.
I had an uncle who was a true bad ass. CIA Vietnam, behind the iron curtain type operations he never made a big deal about it.
He died a couple years ago, his old buddies told us stories of what Gene did at his funeral, the guy was hardcore.
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I understand why people who have recently been in service would want to display their accomplishments, it is fresh and at this point in their lives very meaningful and I have no problem with it.
What I do not get is some old guy wearing all his regalia from Vietnam everyday, its been 40 years. If you want to wear it on occasions that is understandable, but all the time? Let it go.
I had an uncle who was a true bad ass. CIA Vietnam, behind the iron curtain type operations he never made a big deal about it.
He died a couple years ago, his old buddies told us stories of what Gene did at his funeral, the guy was hardcore.
The Vietnam Vets should be remembered. heroes in my eyes.
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Maybe there is a pride difference between being drafted/selected and joining up by choice???
Also, the g.i. Bill that pays for college is great... But you can wipe your ass with a degree these days. Big initiative to hire vets now; too many comeback and can't get employed
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I never advertise my vet status....only thing I own Army wise is a 10th Mountain ballcap my daughter bought me, rarely wear it.
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I never advertise my vet status....only thing I own Army wise is a 10th Mountain ballcap my daughter bought me, rarely wear it.
10th mount? Werent/aren't they part of the Rangers?
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The Vietnam Vets should be remembered. heroes in my eyes.
I do not disagree, I do wonder about some of the guys that have built their whole identity around a brief time in their lives 40 years ago.
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10th mount? Werent/aren't they part of the Rangers?
There's a ranger training camp at Drum but they're independent.......we're straight leg grunts (can't take a shit without a grunt) ;D
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people are more educated today and know wars are fought for big corporations / bosses, the 1%, so you really have to have no education/ skills useful in society whatsoever to enlist.
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I understand why people who have recently been in service would want to display their accomplishments, it is fresh and at this point in their lives very meaningful and I have no problem with it.
What I do not get is some old guy wearing all his regalia from Vietnam everyday, its been 40 years. If you want to wear it on occasions that is understandable, but all the time? Let it go.
I had an uncle who was a true bad ass. CIA Vietnam, behind the iron curtain type operations he never made a big deal about it.
He died a couple years ago, his old buddies told us stories of what Gene did at his funeral, the guy was hardcore.
lol - CIA Badass that never made a big deal out of it - yet he still told you he was a CIA Badass doing behind the iron curtains type operations.
My guess is he was in logistics.
My friend in the airborne was part of a team whose job it was to capture enemy targets. Basically, certain people were identified as potentially good sources of intel and his job was to ask then nicely to come in for a cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits....
...and he now occasionally wears a hat with "Airborne..." on it.
I think we can give them that can't we?
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US Army infantry are line troops as well... but the recruits that WANT to be infantry usually volunteer for the Marines, Airborne, Rangers, or SF. Army infantry is the bottom of the barrel for the US military.
The Marines are used more now as the primary assault force than the Army is... thats why theyre always referred ttos the 'tip of the spear'. They use us as front line 'shock' troops.
.......a what? I served as both an enlisted Marine grunt and an Armor Officer in the US Army and while I love shock, that's kinda ridiculous. Us Army armor and infantry units took Bagdad. US Infantry units did most of the fighting in A-Stan in 2001. Army units did most of the fighting in Fallujah as an example. The Marines have a roll but its traditional hit the beach job has changed.
As far as the thread topic. I agree to some extent but you see a lot of ww2 vets through Vietnam with hats and shit. I don't have a thing on my car. I think the things are guys are going through now are no different. It was just handled differently back then.
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why are marines like bananas?
start green, turn yellow, die in bunches on a beach ;D
Be, all that you can be, get a big fat wife and a fucked up life in the A-a-a-rmy.
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I never advertise my vet status....only thing I own Army wise is a 10th Mountain ballcap my daughter bought me, rarely wear it.
Climb to glory bro......
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Climb to glory bro......
710 msb C co---mobility is strength....brother
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lol - CIA Badass that never made a big deal out of it - yet he still told you he was a CIA Badass doing behind the iron curtains type operations.
My guess is he was in logistics.
My friend in the airborne was part of a team whose job it was to capture enemy targets. Basically, certain people were identified as potentially good sources of intel and his job was to ask then nicely to come in for a cup of tea and some chocolate biscuits....
...and he now occasionally wears a hat with "Airborne..." on it.
I think we can give them that can't we?
There are so many dudes who are full of shit. Nobody was ever in logistics but they sure as hell were Navy seals swimming up the Mekong with a K-bar clenched in their teeth.
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There are so many dudes who are full of shit. Nobody was ever in logistics but they sure as hell were Navy seals swimming up the Mekong with a K-bar clenched in their teeth.
PX rangers lead the way...
"chairborne"
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.......a what? I served as both an enlisted Marine grunt and an Armor Officer in the US Army and while I love shock, that's kinda ridiculous. Us Army armor and infantry units took Bagdad. US Infantry units did most of the fighting in A-Stan in 2001. Army units did most of the fighting in Fallujah as an example. The Marines have a roll but its traditional hit the beach job has changed.
As far as the thread topic. I agree to some extent but you see a lot of ww2 vets through Vietnam with hats and shit. I don't have a thing on my car. I think the things are guys are going through now are no different. It was just handled differently back then.
you have a good Point. The British royal Marines and Parachute Regiment are deployed now in a ground role..which is in essens what they are.. Infantry. the Royal Artillery had 29 Commando and 7 Royal Horse Artiilery (para). Some of them came to our Regiment and were good Soldiers but not outstanding in the field. So doing a Harder ground course and a Tradition does not hold much in the field. i worked with the Green Howards(Infantry) in N Ireland and i can tell you they were just as good if not better than any para.
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The most humble soldiers i have met were sas and Gurkhas.
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I thank teachers too.
But what I dislike is when they get drunk in bars and try to use it as leverage. I'm playing the club and someone is 6 shots in, trying to call another dude "you're not a REAL man because you didn't serve like I did..."
A lot of teachers do that? ???
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Let's get this straight, no disrespect to current military or the enlisted within the last 10-15 years but this current military generation atleast 70-80% enlist bevause it's their only option after high school or to pay for college. It's not about patriotism for that percentage group. Nothing wrong with that, but the honor of serving takes a backseat to the benefits they will reap. I don't blame them one bit.
Comparing ww1 & ww2 vets to Middle East vets, IMO is apples and oranges. Different circumstances, totally different mindset.
Regardless, I am thankful for their service.
I agree too that people too often wear their "accomplishments" on their sleeves too much for everyone to give them attenrion over. Keep your fucking hat low & carry on you attention whores. I hate that shit
I don't know. 9/11 made a lot of Americans of all walks of life drop whatever they were doing at the time and volunteer to fight.
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The Military is not for everyone. when i was Young we never had so much as now. I am being serious now some guys i met never saw a real meal before they joined up. 3 hot meals a day was luxury.
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Our airborne are a little different the the Brit Para's. I'd say that the Regiment is less elite then our Ranger Regiment but more specialized the our 82nd. Same with the Royal Marines with whom I've operated. The Brits are not wasting Royal Marines taking a beach, they're far more specialized.
Anybody who enlists while their country is at war has my respect. Through 2008 things were ok economically and we had to do all sorts of things to get people to join. Now we're kicking them all out.
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When I ETSed that was that, gave my Mom my MSM and Arcoms, kept the coins. Sold all my gear to a surplus guy near post. Got my DD214 and di di'ed to Florida hooah
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I grew up next to Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine base in the US.The core becomes more like a family unit to them than maybe their real family. I give respect to them as a fighting unit, but watching them stumble around Oceanside, Carlsbad, San Diego and TJ, when their off duty and have leave, is almost embarrassing. A brotherhood in battle, by all means......off base, do and get involved in some pretty stupid things.
The older hash marked marines are actually pretty cool, it's getting over the "we can kick the worlds ass" younger marines attitude driven into them. Guess that comes with age. A small percentage of marines actually see combat in a war zone. The marines vets who do will usually have sealed lip about any serious action they were involve in. Nothing like combat to make one understand that they are human after all. Lot of older active, or retired, marines are into Tri events down here. Seems to reduce stress quite a bit for them.
Also acquainted with a few active and retired SEALS. Cool guy's, for the most part, but a totally different breed of men. Keep it close to the vest about most of their military experiences. Sorry to say, very hard to keep a marriage, or serous relationship, together for any length of time.
WWII men ...probably the most deserved and respected vet's of any American generation. They looked upon their war time service as an act of duty, something that was expected from them. Like, "nothing to talk about here, let's move on" attitude. God and country for these guys....most respect to them.
(history tells us that England has been invaded by Germanic tribes, as well by Gauls, many, many times. Often wondered why America though it's need to send troops into action over there. England was never any great friend of America since King George III and before)
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I grew up next to Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine base in the US.The core becomes more like a family unit to them than maybe their real family. I give respect to them as a fighting unit, but watching them stumble around Oceanside, Carlsbad, San Diego and TJ, when their off duty and have leave, is almost embarrassing. A brotherhood in battle, by all means......off base, do and get involved in some pretty stupid things.
The older hash marked marines are actually pretty cool, it's getting over the "we can kick the worlds ass" younger marines attitude driven into them. Guess that comes with age. A small percentage of marines actually see combat in a war zone. The marines vets who do will usually have sealed lip about any serious action they were involve in. Nothing like combat to make one understand that they are human after all. Lot of older active, or retired, marines are into Tri events down here. Seems to reduce stress quite a bit for them.
Also acquainted with a few active and retired SEALS. Cool guy's, for the most part, but a totally different breed of men. Keep it close to the vest about most of their military experiences. Sorry to say, very hard to keep a marriage, or serous relationship, together for any length of time.
WWII men ...probably the most deserved and respected vet's of any American generation. They looked upon their war time service as an act of duty, something that was expected from them. Like, "nothing to talk about here, let's move on" attitude. God and country for these guys....most respect to them.
(history tells us that England has been invaded by Germanic tribes, as well by Gauls, many, many times. Often wondered why America though it's need to send troops into action over there. England was never any great friend of America since King George III and before)
Have you served ?
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There are so many dudes who are full of shit. Nobody was ever in logistics but they sure as hell were Navy seals swimming up the Mekong with a K-bar clenched in their teeth.
My uncle never spoke of what he did. It was only at the funeral that we found out.
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I am a veteran of this board and you don't see me going on about it.
Thank you for your service.
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I think there's a bit of a bias here.
The only WW2 vets most of us know were our grandfathers. Nobody's going to think their grandpa was an entitled "look at me I'm a vet suck me off" type of guy unless he was just a legendary asshole. People also tend to mellow with age.
It also helps that they were fighting against an enemy (Nazis) who are about as close as we've come to true "evil" in terms of a wartime adversary.
I suspect there were just as many douchy WW2 vets in the late 1940s as there are douchy OIF/OEF vets today. Most young vets I know are stand-up guys especially if they saw actual combat. I can't imagine there are too many more humbling experiences one could go through.
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To whom it may concern:
No I have never been attached to any military unit, active duty or otherwise. The current US military is on a volunteer enlistment bases.
One of my best friends jointed the 101st Airborne, Ft Campbell, Ky. In was in the "100 hour war" in Iraqi in 1991, without a scratch. Heard all about that first person. Later died in a unrelated accident from his Airborne unit. Don't know of too many around Oceanside/Carlsbad who actually would join the US marines....among my circle of friend, anyway....just saying.
But the marine spirit and fighting record, on the Pacific islands, were truly brave and beyond the call of normal duty. Some military historians consider Japan as having a equal to, or worse than, war crimes history than even the Germans. What they did in China alone...unbelievable.
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i think it an american thing
when i was in new york someone introduced themselves to me as a 9/11 survivor
they are very patriotic too
british people are by nature reserved and dont expect credit for stuff
i think we should celebrate our veterans more they make incredible sacrifices for not a lot in return
We Americans are a warrior people thats why.
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I kind of have an inferiority complex about not being a veteran. :-X
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I kind of have an inferiority complex about not being a veteran. :-X
I hear that. Also for not joining the cloth. I found a way to serve though...
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I was a DELTAGRU sniperator targeting HVTs in Basra (enlisted via the 99x program), and let me tell you that I leverage that shit all the time to get pussy, job interviews, free food, etc. Then again, I'm a natural alpha, and it reflects in everything I do -- people can tell I'm something special from afar.
It's also worth noting that our forefathers were simple/i], count-to-sweet-potato kind of men chalk full of xenophobia, racism, sexism, and severely misguided religiosity. They are not paragons to emulate. Plus, they didn't need to "speak up" because everyone else did the promotional work for them: they were revered by society at large. Theirs was a false modesty. Seriously, fuck those guys.
What's a sniperator?
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Well my post has caused great feedback.
Just to make a few things clear :
I am a Vet of 10 years service. I joined up as a daft boy because Maggie Thatcher's government have recently come into power in the UK and there was fuck all else to do.
I enjoyed my time in the UK forces and hate the way my colleagues who stayed on and those who joined after have been treated especially recently under that c.unt Cameron. My old base was closed a couple of years ago after 60 years.
At SeaWorld Shamu show they asked all Vets from USA, UK and allies to stand up and the camera focused on them on a big screen and everyone applauded. I remained seated but applauded those who stood.
Fact is, I have been a civilian for over 20 years and moved on and don't identify myself as ex UK forces. Most of my business and personal contacts don't even know I was in in the Military.
My Great Uncle Alex was a rear gunner in a Lancaster bomber during WW2. His job was to shoot the Messerschmitt's trying to knock out the bomber over Germany. He was 22 in 1942 when his plane was shot down and he spent 3 years in Stalag 7. He came out a skeleton but came home to run a grocers shop and raised a family until he retired. I remember my dad (who was in the Cameron Highlanders regiment in WW2) back around 1970 asking him if he had ever shot down a Messerschmitt. Uncle Alex said "I never talk about it but I shot down 5 and the German boys piloting them did not get out, I have never spoken about it until this moment but you asked me straight and I'm answering, I killed these 5 boys who were just fighting their cause like me", he teared up at that point and walked out the room. I will never forget him saying that because I was 10 and always thought wee Uncle Alex was a grocer. No Vet baseball hats for him and his kind.
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To whom it may concern:
No I have never been attached to any military unit, active duty or otherwise. The current US military is on a volunteer enlistment bases.
One of my best friends jointed the 101st Airborne, Ft Campbell, Ky. In was in the "100 hour war" in Iraqi in 1991, without a scratch. Heard all about that first person. Later died in a unrelated accident from his Airborne unit. Don't know of too many around Oceanside/Carlsbad who actually would join the US marines....among my circle of friend, anyway....just saying.
But the marine spirit and fighting record, on the Pacific islands, were truly brave and beyond the call of normal duty. Some military historians consider Japan as having a equal to, or worse than, war crimes history than even the Germans. What they did in China alone...unbelievable.
yes the japanese were not interested in any human rights that´s for sure. The Australians also suffered under them.
Well my post has caused great feedback.
Just to make a few things clear :
I am a Vet of 10 years service. I joined up as a daft boy because Maggie Thatcher's government have recently come into power in the UK and there was fuck all else to do.
I enjoyed my time in the UK forces and hate the way my colleagues who stayed on and those who joined after have been treated especially recently under that c.unt Cameron. My old base was closed a couple of years ago after 60 years.
At SeaWorld Shamu show they asked all Vets from USA, UK and allies to stand up and the camera focused on them on a big screen and everyone applauded. I remained seated but applauded those who stood.
Fact is, I have been a civilian for over 20 years and moved on and don't identify myself as ex UK forces. Most of my business and personal contacts don't even know I was in in the Military.
My Great Uncle Alex was a rear gunner in a Lancaster bomber during WW2. His job was to shoot the Messerschmitt's trying to knock out the bomber over Germany. He was 22 in 1942 when his plane was shot down and he spent 3 years in Stalag 7. He came out a skeleton but came home to run a grocers shop and raised a family until he retired. I remember my dad (who was in the Cameron Highlanders regiment in WW2) back around 1970 asking him if he had ever shot down a Messerschmitt. Uncle Alex said "I never talk about it but I shot down 5 and the German boys piloting them did not get out, I have never spoken about it until this moment but you asked me straight and I'm answering, I killed these 5 boys who were just fighting their cause like me", he teared up at that point and walked out the room. I will never forget him saying that because I was 10 and always thought wee Uncle Alex was a grocer. No Vet baseball hats for him and his kind.
Good post but still think These old Comrades in the US have a right to do it if they want. The only time you see it in the UK is on Remembrance Day when most wear a Blazer and Regimental Tie. I still write to friends on Facebook and one posted These pics of a guy who walks around wearing a Para Beret and tons of Medals, been seen wearing an SAS Beret too. He has been exposed as a fraud but still walks around wearing his own style uniforms. He is not alone because the site exposes These guys. clearly this guy has mental issues. i mean would you walk around with a t-shirt like that in the pic ?? :o :-\
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Wow...remember that Steppenwolf clip from years ago...still classic. The Pusher was one of their other great songs ..Magic Carpet Ride, etc..
The Doors "The End", background tract , from Apocalypse Now...another war related classic. Get the uncut version of Apocalypse Now, well worth it. Brando, Sheen...outstanding.
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Wow...remember that Steppenwolf clip from years ago...still classic. The Pusher was one of their other great songs ..Magic Carpet Ride, etc..
The Doors "The End", background tract , from Apocalypse Now...another war related classic. Get the uncut version of Apocalypse Now, well worth it. Brando, Sheen...outstanding.
yes great film. Infact i was stoned when i watched it many years ago... ;D i think i remember the Scene where Sheen is in a Hotel room and out his mind.. then they come get him throw him under the shower to straighten him out.
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That vid comp is from Tour of Duty, the TV show from the late 80s. Healthy outlet for a hot blooded young man. If it doesn't make you want to rattle your dog tags and go waste gooks, nothing will. Stone's Paint It Black was the original theme music.
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Both of my grandfathers fought in the Korean war and one of them was a Marine drill instructor.
Neither one talked about it. Not to the grandkids anyways.
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Both of my grandfathers fought in the Korean war and one of them was a Marine drill instructor.
Neither one talked about it. Not to the grandkids anyways.
SHIZZO welcome back brosef
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What's a sniperator?
Combat ninja, basically.
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SHIZZO welcome back brosef
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but our success, and our particularly aggressive style wound up putting us as the go-to assault force for modern US warfare doctrine.
Marines played a pivotal role in dethroning the Taliban and have since performed famously well in the GWOT. Their crème de la crème -- MARSOC -- has typified (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rumsfelds-renegade-unit-blamed-for-afghan-deaths-1685704.html) the sort of competence we're talking about here. Most impressive though is Marines' humble attitudes despite all this success.
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Marines played a pivotal role in dethroning the Taliban and have since performed famously well in the GWOT. Their crème de la crème -- MARSOC -- has typified (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rumsfelds-renegade-unit-blamed-for-afghan-deaths-1685704.html) the sort of competence we're talking about here. Most impressive though is Marines' humble attitudes despite all this success.
Haha, one thing Marines are not, is humble.
And MARSOC from what I understand is having a really hard time defining a role... also the Marines never wanted the unit to exist. Recon (Battalion and Force) were our version of operators... BUT they existed under the direct command of the Marine Corps..
Marine brass didn't want to lose some of their best troops to JSOC, as they operate as a complete independent combined arms unit with air, land, and sea support.
Apparently they had a reason for that, as MARSOC has become the red headed stepchild of the Marines and the SF community. Although I've heard theyre finding their stride.
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Haha, one thing Marines are not, is humble.
And MARSOC from what I understand is having a really hard time defining a role... also the Marines never wanted the unit to exist. Recon (Battalion and Force) were our version of operators... BUT they existed under the direct command of the Marine Corps..
Marine brass didn't want to lose some of their best troops to JSOC, as they operate as a complete independent combined arms unit with air, land, and sea support.
Apparently they had a reason for that, as MARSOC has become the red headed stepchild of the Marines and the SF community. Although I've heard theyre finding their stride.
i´ve heard through the grapevine that the UK government wants to get rid off the British Marines and Paras. the logic they bring is they are infantry and just the same as any other UK Infantry Unit. true..(to a point) the modern day role is infantry and i remember being told from a Guy who was a Guardsman in the 60´s that they also were airborne trained. I think it´s more tradition and pride.
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you can have as much technology as you will ..but on the ground you still need foot soldiers.
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i´ve heard through the grapevine that the UK government wants to get rid off the British Marines and Paras. the logic they bring is they are infantry and just the same as any other UK Infantry Unit. true..(to a point) the modern day role is infantry and i remember being told from a Guy who was a Guardsman in the 60´s that they also were airborne trained. I think it´s more tradition and pride.
I can't comment on your guys stuff... but there is a significant difference between US Marine infantry and US Army infantry. (Regular Army infantry, the Army Airborne guys I've met were much more gung-ho than the regular straight legged grunts)
I think, as you alluded to, that it has to do with the way their training has evolved over the years, and tradition, pride, and a large part probably has to do with the way the Marines indoctrinate their recruits, the Marine Corps really try to make us mean, (like someone who trains a fighting dog.)
I think it also has to do with the type of individual Marine infantry tends to attract.
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I can't comment on your guys stuff... but there is a significant difference between US Marine infantry and US Army infantry. (Regular Army infantry, the Army Airborne guys I've met were much more gung-ho than the regular straight legged grunts)
I think, as you alluded to, that it has to do with the way their training has evolved over the years, and tradition, pride, and a large part probably has to do with the way the Marines indoctrinate their recruits, the Marine Corps really try to make us mean, (like someone who trains a fighting dog.)
I think it also has to do with the type of individual Marine infantry tends to attract.
yes true. I do remember our regiment got mainly ex 29 Commando Gunners( marine commando gunners) and i worked with one on a Gun Detachment. Not putting them down but their skills were not any better than ours. The Commando course and para Course is of course Harder. however when it comes down to the role on the Ground..not any better. I worked with Infantry too and they were just as sharp as the marines or paras. The typical Para in the UK is cocky and mouthy.. i could write a chapter here on how often i saw them getting slapped from "normal" Infantry.
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Haha, one thing Marines are not, is humble.
And MARSOC from what I understand is having a really hard time defining a role... also the Marines never wanted the unit to exist. Recon (Battalion and Force) were our version of operators... BUT they existed under the direct command of the Marine Corps..
Marine brass didn't want to lose some of their best troops to JSOC, as they operate as a complete independent combined arms unit with air, land, and sea support.
Apparently they had a reason for that, as MARSOC has become the red headed stepchild of the Marines and the SF community. Although I've heard theyre finding their stride.
I was in country when TF Violence got kicked out of country in 07. At that point in time, they had done a good job at making themselves outsiders.