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Ok, so I have watched the 2001 Olympia DVD - I have all pro and top amateur competition video DVD's going back to the 1970s when they started - and especially the pre-judging comparisons between Ronnie and Jay in the mandatories and Ronnie was the clear winner. The only flaw in his physique was a slight film of water which obfuscated his fantastic back definition. His quads, hams, and especially arms/delt dcombos were insanely defined and hard and he beat Jay flat out in completeness, balance and aestehtics. Jay won front quads and shoulder width and that's all. How did an advantage in shoulder width and more defined frontal quads translate in the mandatories and symmetry round in pre-judging and in the individual routines and posedown at the night show? Ronnie destroyed Jay. The latter can only compete with Ronnie when he goes for size as Ronnie loses a lot of his balance, aesthetics and conditioning when he competes close to 300 lbs that a Jay close to 300 lbs can beat him as Jay looks like shit at any weight so he only has to gain from added size whilst Ronnie only has to lose. Ronnie's mistake in 2006 was coming in at age 42 at 295 lbs against a young Jay who has bigger bones and can carry 300 lbs better than he can. At a smaller bodyweight, Ronnie destroys big Jay and fucking M-U-R-D-E-R-S the little version of Jay.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziaJRXvYkI)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Ok, so I have watched the 2001 Olympia DVD - I have all pro and top amateur competition video DVD's going back to the 1970s when they started - and especially the pre-judging comparisons between Ronnie and Jay in the mandatories and Ronnie was the clear winner. The only flaw in his physique was a slight film of water which obfuscated his fantastic back definition. His quads, hams, and especially arms/delt dcombos were insanely defined and hard and he beat Jay flat out in completeness, balance and aestehtics. Jay won front quads and shoulder width and that's all. How did an advantage in shoulder width and more defined frontal quads translate in the mandatories and symmetry round in pre-judging and in the individual routines and posedown at the night show? Ronnie destroyed Jay. The latter can only compete with Ronnie when he goes for size as Ronnie loses a lot of his balance, aesthetics and conditioning when he competes close to 300 lbs that a Jay close to 300 lbs can beat him as Jay looks like shit at any weight so he only has to gain from added size whilst Ronnie only has to lose. Ronnie's mistake in 2006 was coming in at age 42 at 295 lbs against a young Jay who has bigger bones and can carry 300 lbs better than he can. At a smaller bodyweight, Ronnie destroys big Jay and fucking M-U-R-D-E-R-S the little version of Jay.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziaJRXvYkI)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
obfuscated ? ;D
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I agree. Some of the pics make it seem like Jay looked better, which he only did because Ronnie relaxed his midsection and was a terrible poser. But if you watch the video, you can see Ronnie had enough size, separation and muscularity to (narrowly) beat Jay. Ronnie also improved a lot for the finals compared to his prejudging shape, while Jay went the opposite way a bit.
I think Jay looked better in the 2001 Mr Olympia than he has in the last 4-5 years, sans 2009.
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obfuscated ? ;D
Yes. Obfuscate as in "to make obscure". The film of water obfuscated Ronnie's back definition...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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obfuscated ? ;D
Your vocab isn't what you thought it was, hmm?
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I agree. Some of the pics make it seem like Jay looked better, which he only did because Ronnie relaxed his midsection and was a terrible poser. But if you watch the video, you can see Ronnie had enough size, separation and muscularity to (narrowly) beat Jay. Ronnie also improved a lot for the finals compared to his prejudging shape, while Jay went the opposite way a bit.
QFT...
I think Jay looked better in the 2001 Mr Olympia than he has in the last 4-5 years, sans 2009.
I disagree here. Jay has a shitty physique at any weight in terms of definition, balance and aesthetics, so he is one of those rare bodybuilders who are at their best at a huge bodyweight. Jay can only impress when it comes to size. At a lighter bodyweight he has a little more definition, but he still has terrible aesthetics, structure and balance. Jay loses little by losing a little definition and gaining a lot in size. He was at his best at the 2006 Olympia. His pecs and back, in particular, were humongous. That version of Jay could beat any version of Ronnie except for his 1998 Olympia form - yes, even Ronnie's 2003 form could(not necessarily would) lose to Jay's 277-83 lbs 2009 Olympia physique. Jay was harder than Ronnie at only a few pounds lighter and Ronnie had none of his superior aesthetics, balance and muscle definition to compensate for Jay's equal size with more dryness ok.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I disagree here. Jay has a shitty physique at any weight in terms of definition, balance and aesthetics, so he is one of those rare bodybuilders who are at their best at a huge bodyweight. Jay can only impress when it comes to size. At a lighter bodyweight he has a little more definition, but he still has terrible aesthetics, structure and balance. Jay loses little by losing a little definition and gaining a lot in size. He was at his best at the 2006 Olympia. His pecs and back, in particular, were humongous. That version of Jay could beat any version of Ronnie except for his 1998 Olympia form - yes, even Ronnie's 2003 form could(not necessarily would) lose to Jay's 277-83 lbs 2009 Olympia physique. Jay was harder than Ronnie at only a few pounds lighter and Ronnie had none of his superior aesthetics, balance and muscle definition to compensate for Jay's equal size with more dryness ok.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
From a bodybuilding judging perspective, yes. Personally, I liked the way he looked at the lower body weight in the 2001 Mr Olympia.
How do you think his 2006 shape compares to his 2009? He was huge and cut in 2009, which many people say was his best shape to date.
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How do you think his 2006 shape compares to his 2009? He was huge and cut in 2009, which many people say was his best shape to date.
Pardon me. I meant Jay's 2009 version that could beat even Ronnie's 2003 shape. But I was thinking of Jay's 2006 version when I talked about the massive pecs.
As for 2006 vs 2009, the latter by a nautical mile. Not even close.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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jay was 255 in 09
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Yes. Obfuscate as in "to make obscure". The film of water obfuscated Ronnie's back definition...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/obfuscate)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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obfuscate/obfuscation is a human phenomenon, not a physical one. obfuscation refers to someone intentionally misrepresenting an issue for personal/social gain.
take a look at your link. after "to make obscure" it says "(obscure the issue)".
Main Entry: obfuscate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: confuse
Synonyms: baffle, becloud, befuddle, bewilder, cloud, complicate, conceal, confound, darken, fog, fuddle, muddle, obscure, perplex, puzzle, rattle
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Ok, so I have watched the 2001 Olympia DVD - I have all pro and top amateur competition video DVD's going back to the 1970s when they started - and especially the pre-judging comparisons between Ronnie and Jay in the mandatories and Ronnie was the clear winner. The only flaw in his physique was a slight film of water which obfuscated his fantastic back definition. His quads, hams, and especially arms/delt dcombos were insanely defined and hard and he beat Jay flat out in completeness, balance and aestehtics. Jay won front quads and shoulder width and that's all. How did an advantage in shoulder width and more defined frontal quads translate in the mandatories and symmetry round in pre-judging and in the individual routines and posedown at the night show? Ronnie destroyed Jay. The latter can only compete with Ronnie when he goes for size as Ronnie loses a lot of his balance, aesthetics and conditioning when he competes close to 300 lbs that a Jay close to 300 lbs can beat him as Jay looks like shit at any weight so he only has to gain from added size whilst Ronnie only has to lose. Ronnie's mistake in 2006 was coming in at age 42 at 295 lbs against a young Jay who has bigger bones and can carry 300 lbs better than he can. At a smaller bodyweight, Ronnie destroys big Jay and fucking M-U-R-D-E-R-S the little version of Jay.
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bziaJRXvYkI)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Aren't you the guy who claimed to have a 170 i.q.?
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obfuscate/obfuscation is a human phenomenon, not a physical one. obfuscation refers to someone intentionally misrepresenting an issue for personal/social gain.
take a look at your link. after "to make obscure" it says "(obscure the issue)".
Main Entry: obfuscate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: confuse
Synonyms: baffle, becloud, befuddle, bewilder, cloud, complicate, conceal, confound, darken, fog, fuddle, muddle, obscure, perplex, puzzle, rattle
It took you like six hours to reply to this response of mine? Research much? And no, obfuscation is used correctly in the way I wrote it. The fact that "obscure the issue" follows "to make obscure" means nothing, as it is simply an aliteration of the first definition. To obscure definition makes perfect sense, and the word obfuscation in this context is correct. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Aren't you the guy who claimed to have a 170 i.q.?
No: 170+++. Aren't you the guy who stalks me ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I have all pro and top amateur competition video DVD's going back to the 1970s when they started...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
OUTED
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Is it gay he's a homosexual?
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I watched the prejudging between them and it wasn't even close. Pics don't show the muscle moving or how hard it actually is. Ronnie was in another league. The fact Jay beat him at prejudging was utter bullshit, if you go by pictures then Wolf fucking smashed everyone this past weekend and yet all we hear is if you were there Branch won easily (totally believe it).`
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You are at a bodybuilding board...reading my thread and seeing my bodybuilding pictures. Game. Set. Match.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It took you like six hours to reply to this response of mine? Research much? And no, obfuscation is used correctly in the way I wrote it. The fact that "obscure the issue" follows "to make obscure" means nothing, as it is simply an aliteration of the first definition. To obscure definition makes perfect sense, and the word obfuscation in this context is correct. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
douche ::) i learned what the workd obfuscation meant in my high school english class. no need for research. obfuscating an issue is not the same as obfuscating a body part. you cant obfuscate a body part. its not an issue. obfuscation is intentionally misrepresenting an isssue for personal gain. like when a republican makes fun of global warming because of record low's this winter. he is obfuscating, misrepresenting the issue for personal gain.
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It took you like six hours to reply to this response of mine? Research much? And no, obfuscation is used correctly in the way I wrote it. The fact that "obscure the issue" follows "to make obscure" means nothing, as it is simply an aliteration of the first definition. To obscure definition makes perfect sense, and the word obfuscation in this context is correct. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Alliteration? Repetition of sound!?
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Alliteration? Repetition of sound!?
ill give him the benefit of the doubt on that one, and say he meant alteration. but i wouldnt put it past good old sucky.
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douche i learned what the workd obfuscation meant in my high school english class. no need for research. obfuscating an issue is not the same as obfuscating a body part. you cant obfuscate a body part. its not an issue. obfuscation is intentionally misrepresenting an isssue for personal gain. like when a republican makes fun of global warming because of record low's this winter. he is obfuscating, misrepresenting the issue for personal gain.
Wrong. The word obfuscate can be used as a synonym for obscure. I even posted the definition straight from the dictionary to prove it to you and one of the definitions was "to obscure". Why the fuck can't you understand that :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Wrong. The word obfuscate can be used as a synonym for obscure. I even posted the definition straight from the dictionary to prove it to you and one of the definitions was "to obscure". Why the fuck can't you understand that :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
no, obfuscate is a synonym for obscure when obscure is related to an issue, an idea, a concept or theory.
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yes ronald destroyed jay from the back
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no, obfuscate is a synonym for obscure when obscure is related to an issue, an idea, a concept or theory.
That is not stated in the same definition as obfuscation as confusion; it is stated separately in another definition as a synonym for obscure. You lost. Just like you lose every debate with me. Deal with it. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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That is not stated in the same definition as obfuscation as confusion; it is stated separately in another definition as a synonym for obscure. You lost. Just like you lose every debate with me. Deal with it. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
::) uneducated, highly arrogant, egotistical douchebag incapable of being taught anything because first youd have to accept theres something you dont know.
obfuscation cant be used to describe a lack of muscular detail
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::) uneducated, highly arrogant, egotistical douchebag incapable of being taught anything because first youd have to accept theres something you dont know.
obfuscation cant be used to describe a lack of muscular detail
dont bring me into this
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uneducated, highly arrogant, egotistical douchebag incapable of being taught anything because first youd have to accept theres something you dont know.
At least I don't allow other men to insert their copulatory organs inside my asshole. :D That makes me better than you by default. You immediately lost all discussions when you admitted to getting fucked in the ass. It is not ok.
obfuscation cant be used to describe a lack of muscular detail
Yes it can, and you have done nothing to prove otherwise. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yes ronald destroyed jay from the back
hahah like it
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I was at the 2001 Mr. Olympia and Ronnie clearly won although Jay looked really good and gave big Ron a run for his money.....Ron also had more showmanship than Jay and I thought that cost Jay and put Ronnie over the top...Ronnie went up into the upper levels of the stands and posed with the crowd which gave him a big cheer and a big lift....Ronnie also whipped off his shorts and was wearing the United States flag as underwear...since this was only a few weeks after 9/11 the crowd went crazy...Ronnie scored a lot of soft points with the judges which put him over the top..but Jay's physique was really on that night and he was really hard and grainy....But Ron won...he was just good enough..
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what about big Orville Kanoval?
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I was at the 2001 Mr. Olympia and Ronnie clearly won although Jay looked really good and gave big Ron a run for his money.....Ron also had more showmanship than Jay and I thought that cost Jay and put Ronnie over the top...Ronnie went up into the upper levels of the stands and posed with the crowd which gave him a big cheer and a big lift....Ronnie also whipped off his shorts and was wearing the United States flag as underwear...since this was only a few weeks after 9/11 the crowd went crazy...Ronnie scored a lot of soft points with the judges which put him over the top..but Jay's physique was really on that night and he was really hard and grainy....But Ron won...he was just good enough..
Have to agree. Also remember the crowd reaction when Cutler did his mandatories before pre-judging? Everyone went nuts! Also Tom Prince acting like he was on crack haha. Only pro show I have ever been to, picked a good one.
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Have to agree. Also remember the crowd reaction when Cutler did his mandatories before pre-judging? Everyone went nuts! Also Tom Prince acting like he was on crack haha. Only pro show I have ever been to, picked a good one.
Yes..same here..that was my first and only pro show as well....I have always wanted to attend another Olympia but haven't been in Vegas when it was going on.....I do remember that Tom Prince got a good reaction from the crowd in the night show.....and I also thought Shawn Ray should have been third behind Jay and Ronnie..I also take pride that I was in the audience during the Athletes meeting when Ronnie made his infamous "Apples v.s Oranges" line and Shawn Ray got into an argument with a female judge who told Shawn "your physique hasn't changed in years" which led Shawn to ask for her to be removed as a judge since she was biased and she was.....
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'suckmymuscle' has been getting passed around the board the last couple days like he's in prison getting traded for smokes.
good to see.
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Oh look, it's the appropriately named poster...
'suckmymuscle' has been getting passed around the board the last couple days like he's in prison getting traded for smokes.
good to see.
Why? Lol, no I am handing a smackdown to everyone who challenges me. I first solved the problem that Ross Erstling couldn't, and then when a bunch of menstruating girls who can't handle anyone being better than they are at anything attacked me, I bitched-slapped all of them. I am a god. You are, as your username implies, no one. Learn your place. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah buddy ;D
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Yeah buddy ;D
He won the posedown and posing rounds despite losing the mandatories and symmetry rounds. I guess he really showed improvement by the time he did his individual routine. ??? :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He won the posedown and posing rounds despite losing the mandatories and symmetry rounds. I guess he really showed improvement by the time he did his individual routine. ??? :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
jay winning a symmetry round. ::)
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jay winning a symmetry round. ::)
The symmetry round is NOT a round where symmetry is judged as a sole entity it's in name only , all rounds are physique rounds meaning NO one individual criteria is judged by itself , muscularity is NOT judged by itself despite the name , same with posing where all of the criteria is judged at the same time , so just because Jay won the 'symmetry ' round doesn't mean he had the best symmetry
When judging the ' symmetry ' round , judged are looking muscularity , symmetry , balance , proportion , hardness , dryness , posing , completeness , stage presence , etc , this is ALL judged in every round in every pose
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He won the posedown and posing rounds despite losing the mandatories and symmetry rounds. I guess he really showed improvement by the time he did his individual routine. ??? :-\ :-\
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I don't have a problem with Ronnie winning in 2001 , just the fucking idiots who claim it wasn't close when in fact Big Ron squeaked out a extremely close contest.
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I don't have a problem with Ronnie winning in 2001 , just the fucking idiots who claim it wasn't close when in fact Big Ron squeaked out a extremely close contest.
agreed