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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BodyMachine on July 29, 2012, 10:49:47 AM
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So I dated this girl I met, she has a 8 year old kid. Anyway, the girl kind of freaked me out in the beginning. Before we went on our first date we txted a lot and was telling stuff like "your the first thing I think of in the morning" and after meeting a week in, "I'm crazy about you", then eventually stuff like "I want someone who will be a father to my child" (all under 3 weeks). Alarms went off in my head I'm like whoa, I need to slow this girl down somehow. Thing is she seemed sweet as pie and I genuinely enjoyed being with her, she would cook for me and everything. I didn't know what to do, so I told her let's take things one day at a time, slow. She didn't really like that could tell. Then she wanted commitment, I told her I'm not going anywhere, I don't see and sleep with more then one girl at a time (she knew this early on as it's part of my culture), but I want to take it causally and slow. She wouldn't stop with the commitment stuff so I think at one point I said then have an open relationship, even though I was at her house nearly every single day and she knew and admitted that our relationship was anything but causal or open.
Long story short, we got in an argument, she was out of town for a week, I missed her like hell and wanted to go out. She had a sore throat and ear ache and got pissed that I asked to go out when she was sick. Started yelling at me about all sorts of things, I didn't yell back but asked her to stop yelling 3 times, she wouldn't so I left and didn't talk to her for a week. When we "got back together" things were different txts weren't the same from her. I went to see her one day she was cold to me, took me an hr to warm her up but oddly she said she had to go to her friend "Katie's" place to hang out. Well funny thing she put on full makeup, lip gloss, nice outfit, perfume. Stupid thing I believed her at the time. I went back to her place (her not knowing but always had permission in the past) that night around 11:30pm, she still wasn't home. She shows up at midnight and pissed that I was there, I was like huh, you told me I could always come anytime I wanted. Eventually told me she went on a date with someone a couple nights ago BUT still pretended this evening she was with "Katie".
Freaking ripped me in half. I told her don't waste my time, if you don't want to be in this relationship tell me from know, she said I don't know. Like a fool I chased her for a month and she treated me like shit, I'd txt her and get back 5 words. Then out of the blue she called me and talked for hours about random stuff. She continued to call but every time I asked her out I would get "I'll let you know". Eventually I put her on the spot and asked if she wanted a relationship with me or not, she said "I don't know yet you don't want me to make a decision yet I'm going through tough time my cousin is dying". Then txts me at night "Going to sleep, but you are right you should know, we should work on a friendship and see, but that's all I can give you". WTH
Sorry it's long, kind of had to know the events. Thing is I really fell for her and call me nuts I miss her like hell. What are your methods for successfully getting back with an ex?
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Sorry, but you've been replaced and she's not "going back"
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You WANT to be with this trainwreck? She is out sucking some
my some other guys cock and you still want to be with her? Are you 12?
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I got an ex-parrot one time
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I got an ex-parrot one time
Norwegian Blue?
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She's too much into commitment, while you aren't, so this won't work, bro
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Sounds like trouble man, i'd try to move on and find someone more stable.
Too many red flags just based on what you posted. Remember, there are so many women out there don't ever settle for one unless you KNOW it's the one you want without any doubt.
Good luck!
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Both of you sound crazy. It could work :-*
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why do people ask for relationship advice on get big
never worked that one out
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why do people ask for relationship advice on get big
never worked that one out
Because we are like the male version of the view.
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Dating a woman with a kid ??? ::) :-X
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You're a douche. Seriously, you knew her for only a few weeks and she already let you meet her kid and you thought that normal?
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You're a douche. Seriously, you knew her for only a few weeks and she already let you meet her kid and you thought that normal?
Meeting the kid part isn't that weird. It's the "I want to settle down" after 3 weeks part. Any normal guy would beat Bolt in a race out of that relationship.
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This is how it works, cause sounds like you don't know this. When she is obsessed how you described originally, you hold the cards, but once she comes out of this stage, it's over, you fucked up, face it. While you have the cards the more you seem like "oh well" or "I'll see you later" or basically show little interest then her obsession grows. You have to keep your distance, keep your conversations short and avoid any compliments towards her and most importantly never tell them you love them until she has told you that 2000 times, In other words "too much circulation makes the price go down"
Think of it this way, a mountain climber is always looking for a new mountain to climb, once a mountain has been climbed the thrill is gone to climb the same mountain again and unfortunately in this case you are the mountain, she conquered you, you are no longer of interest, you fucked up, what you described above is the opposite of what you should have done. Never chase someone like a sucker, they will say "SEE YA". avoid them (assuming they have interest in you) and they will beg for you.
Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key. Man did you not see "the ugly truth" geeeeeeeez. :-[
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good work mars i would imagine you would smash all those bitches
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This is how it works, cause sounds like you don't know this. When she is obsessed how you described originally, you hold the cards, but once she comes out of this stage, it's over, you fucked up, face it. While you have the cards the more you seem like "oh well" or "I'll see you later" or basically show little interest then her obsession grows. You have to keep your distance, keep your conversations short and avoid any compliments towards her and most importantly never tell them you love them until she has told you that 2000 times, In other words "too much circulation makes the price go down"
Think of it this way, a mountain climber is always looking for a new mountain to climb, once a mountain has been climbed the thrill is gone to climb the same mountain again and unfortunately in this case you are the mountain, she conquered you, you are no longer of interest, you fucked up, what you described above is the opposite of what you should have done. Never chase someone like a sucker, they will say "SEE YA". avoid them (assuming they have interest in you) and they will beg for you.
Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key. Man did you not see "the ugly truth" geeeeeeeez. :-[
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This is how it works, cause sounds like you don't know this. When she is obsessed how you described originally, you hold the cards, but once she comes out of this stage, it's over, you fucked up, face it. While you have the cards the more you seem like "oh well" or "I'll see you later" or basically show little interest then her obsession grows. You have to keep your distance, keep your conversations short and avoid any compliments towards her and most importantly never tell them you love them until she has told you that 2000 times, In other words "too much circulation makes the price go down"
Think of it this way, a mountain climber is always looking for a new mountain to climb, once a mountain has been climbed the thrill is gone to climb the same mountain again and unfortunately in this case you are the mountain, she conquered you, you are no longer of interest, you fucked up, what you described above is the opposite of what you should have done. Never chase someone like a sucker, they will say "SEE YA". avoid them (assuming they have interest in you) and they will beg for you.
Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key. Man did you not see "the ugly truth" geeeeeeeez. :-[
100 percent on the money
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This is how it works, cause sounds like you don't know this. When she is obsessed how you described originally, you hold the cards, but once she comes out of this stage, it's over, you fucked up, face it. While you have the cards the more you seem like "oh well" or "I'll see you later" or basically show little interest then her obsession grows. You have to keep your distance, keep your conversations short and avoid any compliments towards her and most importantly never tell them you love them until she has told you that 2000 times, In other words "too much circulation makes the price go down"
Think of it this way, a mountain climber is always looking for a new mountain to climb, once a mountain has been climbed the thrill is gone to climb the same mountain again and unfortunately in this case you are the mountain, she conquered you, you are no longer of interest, you fucked up, what you described above is the opposite of what you should have done. Never chase someone like a sucker, they will say "SEE YA". avoid them (assuming they have interest in you) and they will beg for you.
Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key. Man did you not see "the ugly truth" geeeeeeeez. :-[
This is pure gold........
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Look, dummy, she's looking for a sucker to pay her bills and take care of her kid. She gave you three weeks to see if you would bite, and when you didn't she moved on to the next guy. Consider yourself lucky.
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no recycling. Run!
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How long ago did all this go down?
Also, how old are you? How old is she? Just curious
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Being hetrosexual, I didn't read that bullshit. But I am a firm believer in revenge. Fuck her sister/BFF/ brother, whatever it takes. Youre on getbig now son, quit acting like a bitch ::)
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Dating a woman with a kid ??? ::) :-X
think thats bad?
I got a thing with. a 21 year old single mom with a 4 year old :-X
who walked out on her ex, took his car, his cash ,his kid, his money :-X
did i mention she's bipolar :-X
hot as fuck though
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But I am a firm believer in revenge. Fuck her sister/BFF/ brother, whatever it takes.
I like the way you think.
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If you can fix things, if you can get things to get better, if you re man, and smart enough, then go for it. If you cant....go do something else with someone else. Dont accept a challenge you have no chances to win. If you cant get anything better than it is already in the interest of everyone, then forget it.
It is normal for her to want another father to increase her and her offsprings odds of survival, especially considering a world crisis is coming.
But if i had to take the family of another man, i d also get the female pregnant to create a new offspring with her. I d make sure to completely erase his/her kid's father. You have to kill the bad in the woman, and in the kid, that may come from her or the father, and cultivate the good. You also have to destroy the bad in yourself and cultivate the good.
The question is what kind of fate awaits you with both of them. I dont think you should raise someone else kid, but i think it might be easier if you have another kid with her and raise both , all the while reading God's words.
I hope you two are mature, spiritual enough to understand how to create life instead of destroying it furthermore.She owe you a lot if you accept her with her kid.
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I feel so sorry for guys, young guys who get into relationships with such horrendous creatures. Don't you want to live your life, travel, and enjoy? WTF, why do people get themselves into these miserable traps with miserable woman. Maybe it's a Western culture thing. What about your future, own wealth, things you enjoy, freedom, education? Is that all over with, have you reached success, are you rich and well to do? Travelled, finished school, enjoyed life? . Fuck me, I Can't imagine giving anything up for a woman and someone else s kid, and I am late 20's. What a fuckin nightmare.
A girl you can grow with, sure, but this horrendous creature is a fucking nightmare.
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If you can fix things, if you can things to get better, if you re man, and smart enough, then go for it. If you cant....go do something else with someone else. Dont accept a challenge you have no chances to win.
You drunk? Maybe just typing with one hand?
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I feel so sorry for guys, young guys who get into relationships with such horrendous creatures. Don't you want to live your life, travel, and enjoy? WTF, why do people get themselves into these miserable traps with miserable woman. Maybe it's a Western culture thing. What about your future, own wealth, things you enjoy, freedom, education? Is that all over with, have you reached success, are you rich and well to do? Travelled, finished school, enjoyed life? . Fuck me, I Can't imagine giving anything up for a woman and someone else s kid, and I am late 20's. What a fuckin nightmare.
A girl you can grow with, sure, but this horrendous creature is a fucking nightmare.
People have different past and educations. Both of them have been conditionned to end together. You ve been conditionned to become a lonely dude in his 40s with money but no family and no love, who s only important thing in life is money. I dont know who s better.
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Another day and another fucking pussy outs himself on Getbig.
Give me one good reason why anyone would want to raise some other guy's messed up kid just to get a shot at worn out, bitchy, vag....?
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Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key.
Amazing line, maybe best 1 line Ive heard in being successful in early stages.This is it in a nutshell, more you act like you dont give a shit, more they will like you. Treat em mean, keep em keen.
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I feel so sorry for guys, young guys who get into relationships with such horrendous creatures. Don't you want to live your life, travel, and enjoy? WTF, why do people get themselves into these miserable traps with miserable woman. Maybe it's a Western culture thing. What about your future, own wealth, things you enjoy, freedom, education? Is that all over with, have you reached success, are you rich and well to do? Travelled, finished school, enjoyed life? . Fuck me, I Can't imagine giving anything up for a woman and someone else s kid, and I am late 20's. What a fuckin nightmare.
A girl you can grow with, sure, but this horrendous creature is a fucking nightmare.
cant help who your attracted to...
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100 percent on the money
This is pure gold........
Amazing line, maybe best 1 line Ive heard in being successful in early stages.This is it in a nutshell, more you act like you dont give a shit, more they will like you. Treat em mean, keep em keen.
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Its so true though, but we've all done it.The minute you let your guard down, tell them you love them, start texting them loads etc the ball goes in to their court.
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Amazing line, maybe best 1 line Ive heard in being successful in early stages.This is it in a nutshell, more you act like you dont give a shit, more they will like you. Treat em mean, keep em keen.
it s not treat them "mean", it s treat them RIGHT, and if right means telling them their shortcomings and slaping them to put them in their place when required , then do it if you are a real man. Sometimes doing bad to do good ultimately is the way to go. Tough for a young male who s been raised by a single mother who directed his whole life, to do this with women once an adult. A woman loves his man if he puts her in her right place, helps her find it. A woman is only happy contributing to her man and family, when they lead they destroy everything one way or another. If a woman comes to the conclusion she can be smarter than you, teach her she still hasnt your muscularity...If she wants to lead instead of cooperating, find out why, and often you ll end figuring her mother was a tyranical power hungry woman who led her own couple and family, to its doom most of the time. A real family is led by a faithful man scared of God, a woman who support her man and offsprings, period.
It also implies that as a man you must know your own place in the big picture. Hard to tell others their place and how things should go if you dont even know your place yourself -you have to be a strong example, a model, yourself first, or they wont listen to you, and they ll be right to do so- which is precisely the problem of most of young males nowadays who ve been badly raised by single moms in dysfunctional families. They become either homos, or pussies led by their wives. A very few finds a way out and reclaim their virility and real identity finding a path to the truth and figthing against those who want to enslave them.
If you dont know what to do with your rifle, first read the fucking manual.
If you dont know what to do with soul and body, with your existence, with others, FIRST READ THE FUCKING MANUAL before attempting to do anything.
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what would you do in a situation where you fucked that up already? Im usually really good with treating girls like shit and getting them to obsess over me, but there is this ONE one girl who I'm into like crazy. I think about her all the time..y....she still likes me, at least for now but i feel the interest starting to dip. It's strange, the shittier I talk to her and use words like "girl" and treat her like some random chick, the more she likes me again. ..... its gotten to the point where she has the balls in her court though and I cant let that happen..... I complimented her too much in the beginning ..and she knows I'm into her head over heels.
need to get this power back. what do I do fellas? normally wouldnt make a big deal about it but if you saw this girl you would understand....
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You re seeing the opportunity to do good, but do you have the means to do so, or will you get crushed by the evil? In this situation there s both good and evil, do you have what it takes to sort what is good, what isnt, what to keep, what to change/destroy, kill? Does she agree with what you want to do, and how you want to do it? I think the first thing to do is to write on paper what you want to do, where you see both of you in 5, 10 , 30 years from now, and to see if it matches with what she wants. Chances are she never thought about it, and will gladly simply follow your plan. Women only see instinctively their offsprings survival, and as result, their own survival.
You have three options;
go away
stay and get fucked
stay and create, maintain cultivate life
Or, put in others words,
flee
get killed/dominated
Dominate /cooperate.
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Another day and another fucking pussy outs himself on Getbig.
Give me one good reason why anyone would want to raise some other guy's messed up kid just to get a shot at worn out, bitchy, vag....?
Nobody said it is an ideal situation. Having a kid shouldn't mean an automatic deal breaker though.
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what would you do in a situation where you fucked that up already? Im usually really good with treating girls like shit and getting them to obsess over me, but there is this ONE one girl who I'm into like crazy. I think about her all the time..y....she still likes me, at least for now but i feel the interest starting to dip. It's strange, the shittier I talk to her and use words like "girl" and treat her like some random chick, the more she likes me again. ..... its gotten to the point where she has the balls in her court though and I cant let that happen..... I complimented her too much in the beginning ..and she knows I'm into her head over heels.
need to get this power back. what do I do fellas? normally wouldnt make a big deal about it but if you saw this girl you would understand....
Sorry to burst your bubble but 99% of the time it is a 1 time deal only, once it's gone it's gone, that's the truth. You never lose control, NEVER.
If you want to know what happens in the 1% -well first of all, you need a leave of absents and I am not talking about a week here, I am talking 6 months cold turkey, no communication at all, zip, zero, nada. Then you better come back with a new status, attitude and basically re-create yourself in order for her to acknowledge, remember you are crawling out of a whole here.This is your only chance. To not believe me is a waste of time.
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I think that if you re a good man, a good model, example, you can raise someone else kid and this kid might end following you instead of his biological father. But it's very rare all of this ends well for everyone. Most of the time biological father will taint the mind of the kid, by jealousy etc, step father will feel it, will feel betrayed, will badly treat his step son/daughter etc.. Mother might protect kid and ex father...a disgusting mess, psychological games being played constantly...you have enough psychological games to win when building a family with someone who dint have kids with someone else...
If you raise someone else kid do it right and cut all ties between him and his father, and make sure you can be a better father than him.
Also first make sure the father is the only real clear responsible for the break up and following mess, and not the woman you re seduced by...or you re simply the next on the list.
all of this is not natural, is perverted, distorted, and it takes a very very strong mind, sould to handle all that shit and improve it instead of ruining it even more. This is why i say if you re not strong enough, do everyone a favor and go find somthing easier to create. Dont take the risk of being considered as the only responsible for everything that could go even wronger.
Who s the asshole in all of this? the woman? the ex-father? Certainly not the naive guy falling in love with the woman. Let them deal with their mistakes. In fact they should go back together and raise their fucking kid. If it's not possible, and if you take her, make sure she, her kid, and the ex father wont cause you any troubles. And get her pregnant with your own offspring.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but 99% of the time it is a 1 time deal only, once it's gone it's gone, that's the truth. You never lose control, NEVER.
If you want to know what happens in the 1% -well first of all, you need a leave of absents and I am not talking about a week here, I am talking 6 months cold turkey, no communication at all, zip, zero, nada. Then you better come back with a new status, attitude and basically re-create yourself in order for her to acknowledge, remember you are crawling out of a whole here.This is your only chance. To not believe me is a waste of time.
I somewhat agree.
The question is who took control IN THE BEGINING, at the very first stare. This , will never change. If you took control of her in the beginning, whatever happen in life later when you might get weaker, you ll always be the leader. The original alliance, when she was weak, and you were strong, will be honored until the end.
If it's the opposite... if she took control of you in the beginning, then you ll always be her toy.
Women need to be hunted by men like preys and put in a cage whose keys are in your hands. Then, you should raise, educate, shape them the way you want the to be, and the best way to shape a woman is to follow God's words.
Women shouldnt prey on weak minded males and put them in their cages.
Cooperating with your woman isnt being a pussy. It's called surviving together. But you also have to keep her in check. It takes time before a woman completely abandon her submission to her mother, father, brothers, sisters, "friends", and finally only follows you and only you.
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Look, dummy, she's looking for a sucker to pay her bills and take care of her kid. She gave you three weeks to see if you would bite, and when you didn't she moved on to the next guy. Consider yourself lucky.
This.
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cant help who your attracted to...
Well, actually you can, if you know your own past and that person's past, as pasts often cross each others. If you know your parents pasts, the things you re subconsciously reproducing, you can give your life a different orientation. But it's very rare. Most people reproduce their parents, grandparents lives over and over. If you realize you reproducing something that goes nowhere, you can stop it. If you dont realize it, you simply reproduce it.
We all have to maintain, defend and create, cultivate life at some point, but there are different ways to do it. We all wish we could, but only a very few actually do it successfully ie everyone is happy, not just one or two persons at the expense of kids, grandkids etc.
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Look, dummy, she's looking for a sucker to pay her bills and take care of her kid. She gave you three weeks to see if you would bite, and when you didn't she moved on to the next guy. Consider yourself lucky.
No.
It's a woman with qualities and weaknesses, with dreams and past mistakes, who s trying to survive. And she s indeed trying to find someone to help her and her offspring survive and know hapiness.
Nothing wrong with that. What could go wrong is if both of them decide to build a family together and that if that project fails because ex father, woman, or kid, or all of them, ruin it all one way or another. The only possibility things could go any better is that the new boyfriend takes everything in hand, cut all ties with ex father and builds a new family his way all by himself keeping everyone in check.
If he hasnt what it takes to do so, he should find an easier challenge, without any remorse, regrets. But i just hope he knows what s in front of him. It's tough enough to raise your own bloodline, to raise someone else 's kid. It is feasible, but 9 persons out of ten fail and things get even worse for everyone.
I wonder if the OP come from a dysfunctional family where his father left.
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No.
It's a woman with qualities and weaknesses, with dreams and past mistakes, who s trying to survive. And she s indeed trying to find someone to help her and her offspring survive and know hapiness.
Nothing wrong with that. What could go wrong is if both of them decide to build a family together and that if that project fails because ex father, woman, or kid, or all of them, ruin it all one way or another. The only possibility things could go any better is that the new boyfriend takes everything in hand, cut all ties with ex father and builds a new family his way all by himself keeping everyone in check.
If he hasnt what it takes to do so, he should find an easier challenge, without any remorse, regret.
That's a very very naive statement.
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That's a very very naive statement.
It's reality. That woman also has things the OP needs obviously, or he wouldnt be attracted to her. They can make great things out of all of this, or do shit. Do they have the guide, manual, the recipe to make things go better instead of worse? that's the real question. Clearely the both seem completely lost, reproducing blindly behaviors of their parents and grandparents.
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think thats bad?
I got a thing with. a 21 year old single mom with a 4 year old :-X
who walked out on her ex, took his car, his cash ,his kid, his money :-X
did i mention she's bipolar :-X
hot as fuck though
Oh man, stay away. I nailed one of these prior to her having a kid (Now she has a kid, exact same circumstances you posted), and its just bad news all around.
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All these ex fathers should go back and reclaim their women and kids, grow the fuck up, work etc. But they play video games all day long somewhere i guess, dating other women. All these sad souls reproducing what their own fathers did to them and their mothers.
One thing is sure tho.
When war will start, all these people will have a lot tougher time to survive compared to strong, stable families.
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For fuck's sake get the hell away from this woman and move on. This has the potential to derail your life miserably and in a very costly fashion (costly in emotion, grief and most of all - $$$).
Find another woman. Karma has a way of working things out eventually and even if they don't you will be free and clear of this disaster.
BTW, post a pic of this woman.
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All these ex fathers should go back and reclaim their women and kids, grow the fuck up, work etc. But they play video games all day long somewhere i guess, dating other women. All these sad souls reproducing what their own fathers did to them and their mothers.
One thing is sure tho.
When war will start, all these people will have a lot tougher time to survive compared to strong, stable families.
You are insane... every divorced guy doesn't have a divorced set of parents.
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For fuck's sake get the hell away from this woman and move on. This has the potential to derail your life miserably and in a very costly fashion (costly in emotion, grief and most of all - $$$).
Find another woman. Karma has a way of working things out eventually and even if they don't you will be free and clear of this disaster.
BTW, post a pic of this woman.
Finally someone who's spot on
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think thats bad?
I got a thing with. a 21 year old single mom with a 4 year old :-X
who walked out on her ex, took his car, his cash ,his kid, his money :-X
did i mention she's bipolar :-X
hot as fuck though
Fucking is one thing, but falling for and having a relationship, forget about it!
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In general, men should be more picky on women.
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Fucking is one thing, but falling for and having a relationship, forget about it!
BINGO! I would never get in a serious relationship with any woman that had a young child,w/ full time custody.
She is lookin' for a daddy.
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The child's father isn't in the picture he left her long ago. She is nearly 30
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Nope let it go, I broke up with the girl I was seeing today because she's a cheating whore. Deleted her numbers and moving the f*** on. Once a woman OS finished with a man, its no point of trying to win her back. She loosed all respect for that guy and will only see them as a pussy stepping stool. Sorry been a rough day.
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This is how it works, cause sounds like you don't know this. When she is obsessed how you described originally, you hold the cards, but once she comes out of this stage, it's over, you fucked up, face it. While you have the cards the more you seem like "oh well" or "I'll see you later" or basically show little interest then her obsession grows. You have to keep your distance, keep your conversations short and avoid any compliments towards her and most importantly never tell them you love them until she has told you that 2000 times, In other words "too much circulation makes the price go down"
Think of it this way, a mountain climber is always looking for a new mountain to climb, once a mountain has been climbed the thrill is gone to climb the same mountain again and unfortunately in this case you are the mountain, she conquered you, you are no longer of interest, you fucked up, what you described above is the opposite of what you should have done. Never chase someone like a sucker, they will say "SEE YA". avoid them (assuming they have interest in you) and they will beg for you.
Remember in a relationship it's not you against her, it's you against yourself, self-control is key. Man did you not see "the ugly truth" geeeeeeeez. :-[
I never understood this reasoning. I mean, when does it end? Or do you just act disinterested your whole life, until you get married, and then another 40 years of disinterest? And if you slip once it's divorce?
Seems to me this kind of advice is just another recipe for people trying to force relationships that were never meant to be... like 99% of all advice given by pickup artists, players, random "bros," etc. on the subject. it's like an eternal story: "how to get the girl you don't deserve: tips and tricks" resold countless times, over countless generations.
for as much ridicule as uberman receives, i find myself nauseated FAR less by his advice... what's wrong with just going out, meeting people, and when you find someone who is right for you it's obvious? -- mutual attraction, less "mind games," not feeling like you're in some kind of warzone all of the time. and if you can't accept that, if you aren't attracted to the kind of girls who are attracted to you, then try to improve yourself. become more educated, wealthy, powerful, etc. until you can get the girl you want, and if you fail, settle or stay single.
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Uberman is a big time douche, but he's killing it in this thread. Would agree on most of that.
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I never understood this reasoning. I mean, when does it end? Or do you just act disinterested your whole life, until you get married, and then another 40 years of disinterest? And if you slip once it's divorce?
Seems to me this kind of advice is just another recipe for people trying to force relationships that were never meant to be... like 99% of all advice given by pickup artists, players, random "bros," etc. on the subject. it's like an eternal story: "how to get the girl you don't deserve: tips and tricks" resold countless times, over countless generations.
for as much ridicule as uberman receives, i find myself nauseated FAR less by his advice... what's wrong with just going out, meeting people, and when you find someone who is right for you it's obvious -- mutual attraction, less "mind games," not feeling like you're in some kind of warzone all of the time. and if you can't accept that, if you aren't attracted to the kind of girls who are attracted to you, then try to improve yourself. become more educated, wealthy, powerful, etc. until you can get the girl you want, and if you fail, settle or stay single.
WOW! outstanding post brother 8)
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It's reality. That woman also has things the OP needs obviously, or he wouldnt be attracted to her. They can make great things out of all of this, or do shit. Do they have the guide, manual, the recipe to make things go better instead of worse? that's the real question. Clearely the both seem completely lost, reproducing blindly behaviors of their parents and grandparents.
You CLEARLY have no experience with being a parent, and dating someone with children.
everything is worst-case scenario with you, it's comical.
My woman has a child, and that child has a father. i've met him, he's a good person, and loves his kid. he doesn't try to undermine our relationship, or poison his kids mind. he's remarried himself and has his own life.
My exposure to him is limited, i'll be there occasionally when he's picking up or dropping off his daughter...key statement being HIS daughter. We are friendly...he respects me, and the relationship, but that is his child , and i i have no intentions of trying to replace the man, or "eliminate him completely"...where do you come up with this BULLSHIT ?
if my ex was dating someone who tried to eliminate me from my daughters life, well....that would be pretty funny
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I never understood this reasoning. I mean, when does it end? Or do you just act disinterested your whole life, until you get married, and then another 40 years of disinterest? And if you slip once it's divorce?
Seems to me this kind of advice is just another recipe for people trying to force relationships that were never meant to be... like 99% of all advice given by pickup artists, players, random "bros," etc. on the subject. it's like an eternal story: "how to get the girl you don't deserve: tips and tricks" resold countless times, over countless generations.
for as much ridicule as uberman receives, i find myself nauseated FAR less by his advice... what's wrong with just going out, meeting people, and when you find someone who is right for you it's obvious? -- mutual attraction, less "mind games," not feeling like you're in some kind of warzone all of the time. and if you can't accept that, if you aren't attracted to the kind of girls who are attracted to you, then try to improve yourself. become more educated, wealthy, powerful, etc. until you can get the girl you want, and if you fail, settle or stay single.
HOLY SHIT...someone else besides me gets it.
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You CLEARLY have no experience with being a parent, and dating someone with children.
everything is worst-case scenario with you, it's comical.
My woman has a child, and that child has a father. i've met him, he's a good person, and loves his kid. he doesn't try to undermine our relationship, or poison his kids mind. he's remarried himself and has his own life.
My exposure to him is limited, i'll be there occasionally when he's picking up or dropping off his daughter...key statement being HIS daughter. We are friendly...he respects me, and the relationship, but that is his child , and i i have no intentions of trying to replace the man, or "eliminate him completely"...where do you come up with this BULLSHIT ?
if my ex was dating someone who tried to eliminate me from my daughters life, well....that would be pretty funny
how old is the daughter? it's different when the kid is young and growing, plus depends on how the divorce was. my brother married a woman with a child, who's father tried to kill both of them (allegedly). he sends the kid ridiculous gifts all the time, usually stuff like laptops and ipads, which he then tries to chat with her in secret on ::)... i can tell this is a fuckin disaster just waiting to happen.
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how old is the daughter? it's different when the kid is young and growing, plus depends on how the divorce was. my brother married a woman with a child, who's father tried to kill both of them (allegedly). he sends the kid ridiculous gifts all the time, usually stuff like laptops and ipads, which he then tries to chat with her in secret on ::)... i can tell this is a fuckin disaster just waiting to happen.
Well that's one highly fucked up scenario. First off, why can't the father talk to the kid? lot more to that story, and he sounds like a lunatic. If i ever encountered that, one of two things would happen...i would stop, completely.... or I would be gone.
most likely i would be gone, because you can tell a LOT from people by who they have been with in the past, and that would set off all sorts of alarms.
i don't have that. we are all rational adults, and get along pretty well. Exes and kids from previous relationships are commonplace at my age, and the older you get that's how it goes.
It's not even a big deal, everyone has kids. I can see a 23 year old guy having a problem with it, but people in their thirties and forties don't even blink at it. The bigger concern is.. "are you a good parent?"
PS to answer your question, her kid is 6.
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Nobody said it is an ideal situation. Having a kid shouldn't mean an automatic deal breaker though.
It's not a deal breaker her boning her, but you better be parking that jism in her mouth or ass or you'll be raising two fucked up kids.
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PS to answer your question, her kid is 6.
hopefully everything turns out all right for your (future?) family. i'm not saying it's impossible, but uberman isn't either. he just says 9/10 times it doesn't end up well. obviously i'm not a researcher or anything, so i don't have any real statistics. just saying, in most of the cases i'm familiar with firsthand, families who adopt or involve remarrying with young kids... don't turn out that great.
on the other hand, who knows if, in these cases, they would have turned out better had original family stuck together?
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It's not a deal breaker her boning her, but you better be parking that jism in her mouth or ass or you'll be raising two fucked up kids.
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And while you're at it, go ahead and shoot one nice big healthy milky load all over her backside for the rest of us getbiggers. See how high you can arc it.
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It's not a deal breaker her boning her, but you better be parking that jism in her mouth or ass or you'll be raising two fucked up kids.
...or at least pull out before you blow a load in her vajaja.
Seriously, this is the best advice yet. Screwing her is one thing but knocking her up and taking on her caln of rugrats could be hell on earth. :o
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Norwegian Blue?
it had beautiful plumage
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hopefully everything turns out all right for your (future?) family. i'm not saying it's impossible, but uberman isn't either. he just says 9/10 times it doesn't end up well. obviously i'm not a researcher or anything, so i don't have any real statistics. just saying, in most of the cases i'm familiar with firsthand, families who adopt or involve remarrying with young kids... don't turn out that great.
on the other hand, who knows if, in these cases, they would have turned out better had original family stuck together?
I hear you, but as far as uberman goes...how would he know? i would bet money he's a single man in his late 20's, early 30's, with no woman, child or family to speak of. he just likes shooting down everything and squeezing every issue into his little window of understanding and his very skewed view of things.
I have my own child, and am in a peer group where 90% of us have children. It's not even an issue to be in a relationship where the other person has a kid....it's weird if they DON'T.
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So you're Black??
I'm 47. how many fortysomethings you know that don't have kids ? i can count on one hand.
then again, you're probably all of 30, tops....and the only people that age you know are your parents.
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LOL
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I know a bunch. They all just happen to be White.
Then PM me their addresses ;)
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I know a bunch. They all just happen to be White.
Sure you do...
stick to your YAGR account when you troll me. i can't be bothered addressing a million gimmicks
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I never understood this reasoning. I mean, when does it end? Or do you just act disinterested your whole life, until you get married, and then another 40 years of disinterest? And if you slip once it's divorce?
Seems to me this kind of advice is just another recipe for people trying to force relationships that were never meant to be... like 99% of all advice given by pickup artists, players, random "bros," etc. on the subject. it's like an eternal story: "how to get the girl you don't deserve: tips and tricks" resold countless times, over countless generations.
for as much ridicule as uberman receives, i find myself nauseated FAR less by his advice... what's wrong with just going out, meeting people, and when you find someone who is right for you it's obvious? -- mutual attraction, less "mind games," not feeling like you're in some kind of warzone all of the time. and if you can't accept that, if you aren't attracted to the kind of girls who are attracted to you, then try to improve yourself. become more educated, wealthy, powerful, etc. until you can get the girl you want, and if you fail, settle or stay single.
This is not the game you are playing, so be it but step back into reality, this is the law of attraction wether you like it or not. When does it end? wow, is this a stupid question,.... it ends when you have developed a bond, a trust, a friendship and don't have to rely on your impulse anymore and then you really begin to reap the benefits of a life long a partner, but until then my friend this is common sense.
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Thanks for the response, it was an honest question.
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This is not the game you are playing, so be it but step back into reality, this is the law of attraction wether you like it or not. When does it end? wow, is this a stupid question,.... it ends when you have developed a bond, a trust, a friendship and don't have to rely on your impulse anymore and then you really begin to reap the benefits of a life long a partner, but until then my friend this is common sense.
Fair enough dude, and I respect what you are saying in your original post. But, how do you get to this point of having real trust and feelings if you are running game and making believe you don't give a shit about her?
I get it man, you have to protect yourself to some degree, but i think a lot of guys shoot themselves in the foot because they take this attitude to the extreme. At some point ya gotta stop playing games and be yourself, and take a chance
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To be perfectly honest here, it seems as if neither of you is mature acting enough to have a successful and lasting relationship. However, there are a lot of people who seem to thrive on drama. Maybe, you and she are both these type of people.
In my experience, if you have to try this hard and play this many games to make a relationship work, it probably won't.
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Thanks for the response, it was an honest question.
I am sorry for coming across as a jerk, my bad. 8)
Fair enough dude, and I respect what you are saying in your original post. But, how do you get to this point of having real trust and feelings if you are running game and making believe you don't give a shit about her?
I get it man, you have to protect yourself to some degree, but i think a lot of guys shoot themselves in the foot because they take this attitude to the extreme. At some point ya gotta stop playing games and be yourself, and take a chance
At this point you are still searching, even at the beginning of any relationship either partner has not chosen that there search is over for good, even if you are obsessed you still haven't committed to ending your life long search. As your thoughts continue to engulf your brain that you perhaps found the right one, then the games (for lack of a better term) die down. If you decide to throw your walls down before this point you might just find that your partner is no longer interested in you. I don't make these rules, that's just the way it goes, like it or hate it.
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I am sorry for coming across as a jerk, my bad. 8)
At this point you are still searching, even at the beginning of any relationship either partner has not chosen that there search is over for good, even if you are obsessed you still haven't committed to ending your life long search. As your thoughts continue to engulf your brain that you perhaps found the right one, then the games (for lack of a better term) die down. If you decide to throw your walls down before this point you might just find that your partner is no longer interested in you. I don't make these rules, that's just the way it goes, like it or hate it.
Cool. Think we are both saying the same thing here.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but 99% of the time it is a 1 time deal only, once it's gone it's gone, that's the truth. You never lose control, NEVER.
If you want to know what happens in the 1% -well first of all, you need a leave of absents and I am not talking about a week here, I am talking 6 months cold turkey, no communication at all, zip, zero, nada. Then you better come back with a new status, attitude and basically re-create yourself in order for her to acknowledge, remember you are crawling out of a whole here.This is your only chance. To not believe me is a waste of time.
Playing devils advocate and assuming she is worth going back to:
No contact for a length of time is what I've done, been about a month. The interesting part would be in the proper way to approach her again, thoughts?
Many people around me have told me she doesn't sound right given all the initial signs and how fast she was moving, so your advice mirrors theirs. Though a part of me wonders if this girl just doesn't know any better and if I put myself in her shoes...
To the questions, she chased me all through the relationship until the end when we stopped talking for a week and then found out she saw someone. Because I wanted to slow things down with her I made sure not to be overly anything with her (hence why he probably chased me more), though was always good to her. According to her own words, her family is dysfunctional and as such moved far away from them at an early age.
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Playing devils advocate and assuming she is worth going back to:
No contact for a length of time is what I've done, been about a month. The interesting part would be in the proper way to approach her again, thoughts?
Many people around me have told me she doesn't sound right given all the initial signs and how fast she was moving, so your advice mirrors theirs. Though a part of me wonders if this girl just doesn't know any better and if I put myself in her shoes...
To the questions, she chased me all through the relationship until the end when we stopped talking for a week and then found out she saw someone. Because I wanted to slow things down with her I made sure not to be overly anything with her (hence why he probably chased me more), though was always good to her. According to her own words, her family is dysfunctional and as such moved far away from them at an early age.
You randomly bump into her somewhere... Also, make sure you have changed something about your appearance that she will instantly notice.
You can not be the same "you" that you are now.
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You randomly bump into her somewhere... Also, make sure you have changed something about your appearance that she will instantly notice.
You can not be the same "you" that you are now.
This ^^^^ basically but I would do it in 2 parts, seems like you will try so might as well try and help you, lol,... Part 1, yes stand out some how, go on a diet, jump on some tren, lol,.. OK enough joke in all seriousness when you come in contact with her, make it only a split second, act like you are in a hurry, don't stop to talk, simply walk by and say "hey what's up, nice seeing you, got to run talk to you later",... and split quickly, she has to be convinced you have lost interest in her, this is the only way, trust me. Part two, another few weeks minimum, then when you see her stop and talk, this time she won't be expecting this based on your last reaction, which makes you unpredictable, hence she might be excited again. This is your only shot and it's a stretch already. Remember the longer away the better in every case, period.
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This ^^^^ basically but I would do it in 2 parts, seems like you will try so might as well try and help you, lol,... Part 1, yes stand out some how, go on a diet, jump on some tren, lol,.. OK enough joke in all seriousness when you come in contact with her, make it only a split second, act like you are in a hurry, don't stop to talk, simply walk by and say "hey what's up, nice seeing you, got to run talk to you later",... and split quickly, she has to be convinced you have lost interest in her, this is the only way, trust me. Part two, another few weeks minimum, then when you see her stop and talk, this time she won't be expecting this based on your last reaction, which makes you unpredictable, hence she might be excited again. This is your only shot and it's a stretch already. Remember the longer away the better in every case, period.
This is also good... If she doesn't "want" you after the things that we've said, then it truly is OVER.
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The interesting part would be in the proper way to approach her again, thoughts?
Just don't do that!
She may be a lovely woman, but you guys don't have the same ambitions/intentions. If you don't listen to your inner voice, you will end as an unhappy guy, I guarantee you that.
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You don't sound like you have any kids. If you don't don't settle for chics with a kid. Go out and have fun and DON'T settle. This chic sounds like drama anyway
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That chick sounds INSANE!!!
She on meds?
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In before Mike Arvilla posts.........
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Ask yourself why you're so interested in getting back into a relationship you weren't equally interested in having in the first place.
Do this before putting yourself through all these contortions, 'running game,' crawling til your knees bleed, etc, just to get back to something you were only lukewarm about to begin with.
Small wonder women think men are idiots.
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Ask yourself why you're so interested in getting back into a relationship you weren't equally interested in having in the first place.
Do this before putting yourself through all these contortions, 'running game,' crawling til your knees bleed, etc, just to get back to something you were only lukewarm about to begin with.
Small wonder women think men are idiots.
People want what they cant have, even if it sucks when they get it
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People want what they cant have, even if it sucks when they get it
In before Will Grant posts...... ;D
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Sorry, but you've been replaced and she's not "going back"
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lol
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This ^^^^ basically but I would do it in 2 parts, seems like you will try so might as well try and help you, lol,... Part 1, yes stand out some how, go on a diet, jump on some tren, lol,.. OK enough joke in all seriousness when you come in contact with her, make it only a split second, act like you are in a hurry, don't stop to talk, simply walk by and say "hey what's up, nice seeing you, got to run talk to you later",... and split quickly, she has to be convinced you have lost interest in her, this is the only way, trust me. Part two, another few weeks minimum, then when you see her stop and talk, this time she won't be expecting this based on your last reaction, which makes you unpredictable, hence she might be excited again. This is your only shot and it's a stretch already. Remember the longer away the better in every case, period.
This is gold.
You must be the iron chef of pounding vaj, my friend.
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Run.
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Just read a few replies with the same recycled shit some dating guru gave you. The only way to get a girl back is to completely forget about her. Not act like it, but for real. I remember years ago when this chick broke up with me. Did just what everyone advised. Went no contact for a month. Then went to a place I knew were she'd be. Acted aloof..etc..Nothing worked.. It wasn't until a year later when I met an even better girl that I completely forgot about her. What do you know I get a text from her. Actually ignored her text for real this time..cuz I wanted nothing to do with her again..Not because I was playing a game.. and she started blowing up my phone. lol cuz I would have killed for her to text me months before.
Like I said, the only way to get a girl back is to completely get over her. Whats funny is by that time, you'll realize that you broke up for a reason and you no longer want her back.
With the exception of braking up because of something like distance, or not being able to see each other enough or something. Just grab your balls and wait for someone else.
You'll laugh at this some day. But in the mean time the pain and misery you feel is what makes you a man.
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This is gold.
You must be the iron chef of pounding vaj, my friend.
Its not. Its bad advice. That works great for a player who just wants to fuck her one more time. But this guy wants a relationship again. This may work for the short term, but in the long run they both will just go back to their old ways. 9 out of 10 relationships that end, then they get back together, fail again.
Think about all the people you know who are in relationships were they break up every few weeks/months. I know a lot of people like that because they're too fucking dumb to realize they arnt right for each other. Go ahead try some magic advice and maybe you'll get her back. But eventually the tricks wear off. The only real advice is to grab your balls and move the fuck on.
Seriously how big of a pussy do you have to be to go onto a forum and whine about your lost girl? My last girl broke up with me after a year because ''I care more about my motorcycles and fishing, then I do her''.. I didn't even flinch, Grabbed a bottle of whiskey and went camping with the boys then next day. Didnt care one bit, but thats taken years and a lot of broken hards to getto this point.You think Clint Eastwood would cry about some girl breaking up with him? lol fuck no, he'd get back on his horse and find a new one.
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I take my relationship advice only from Craig Titus.
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Yeah good points got to stop the feelings for her and move on, only then will there be a way to reconcile maybe if I so choose at that point. Sometimes easier said then done.
Funny thing, I had an old profile on okcupid I haven't logged into for ages, I decided to check it today, found out she checked my profile out a couple weeks back (didn't even know she had an account). Guess she is looking for a new boyfriend yet again. Wonder if this can be to my advantage somehow.
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I take my relationship advice only from Craig Titus.
Bitches kill for him... There is something to be said for that.
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so you dated an eight year old and she left you for her friend katie ?
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I take my relationship advice only from Craig Titus.
Chaos takes his relationship advice from Vince Basile..... ;D
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Yeah good points got to stop the feelings for her and move on, only then will there be a way to reconcile maybe if I so choose at that point. Sometimes easier said then done.
Funny thing, I had an old profile on okcupid I haven't logged into for ages, I decided to check it today, found out she checked my profile out a couple weeks back (didn't even know she had an account). Guess she is looking for a new boyfriend yet again. Wonder if this can be to my advantage somehow.
Things like heartache and break-ups, fortunately, define and set lives in place and in the right direction. It seems as though your situation is no different from many others. You/she cheated, things got rocky due to repeated routines, she's felt neglected, you've felt guilty, etc. and now you think 'if I just had one more chance, if only she understood me'
Allowing yourself to feel guilty, have these painful feelings and just overall feeling bad for yourself is not going to help the situation. I know you've heard this before and I know you'll hear it a million times again, but, Self-improvement and No Contact after an initial break-up are probably the most utilizing aspects of creating anew.
She's left, right? So, take this time and start doing some serious work on yourself.
You have inner game issues, rather, personal issues that need to be dealt with..I know it feels like the pain in your chest doesn't even allow you to go outside and enjoy the fresh air anymore. Everything and anything will get you down. Even if something happens that makes your excited, you're just going to think, "Wow, I'm excited, but, I could be MORE excited if my ex was back in my arms."
Your codependency is at extremely high levels right now, you need to get it under control before you start to lose your mind over this woman. This is probably one of the worse stories I've seen on this site revolving around break-ups, but I've seen some damn hard times out of a man that just couldn't take the pain anymore. He and his wife had divorced after 11 years being married with kids and she instantly got into another relationship with another guy. Well, the man that lost his wife and kids and had to move 450 miles away from his home decided to change his life. He got everything together and made a plan to recreate and redesign his life. He started working out, got promoted at his job, changed his style and fashion, read books on breaking away from codependency, and even got into another relationship about 6 months after his wife left him. He realized that, although he was in the worst stage of his life, he could really come back a new and improved man. He just needed to put the work into it and start seeing results as he started to loosen up and become more confident in himself.
Stories like these happen all the time and I say it's your turn to flip the script. It's never too early or too late to change your life, man. It's all in the motivation to become a better person. Accept your mistakes in the past relationship and start forgiving yourself; you deserve the time and effort it takes to become the person you want to be.
Go out there and change your life one step at a time. It really just takes some will power and understanding of the past and accepting it.
You got this shit, bro. Don't let the past hold you back from that warm horizon.
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My last girl broke up with me after a year because ''I care more about my motorcycles and fishing, then I do her''.. I didn't even flinch, Grabbed a bottle of whiskey and went camping with the boys then next day.
Like your hobbies, avatar and advice. No homo.
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.You think Clint Eastwood would cry about some girl breaking up with him? lol fuck no, he'd get back on his horse and find a new one.
Reminds me of a good laugh I got out of a professor in college. I used to throw a one-liner or two into the body of a paper, just to see if he was really reading the paper.
In one paper, I inserted They say that breaking up is hard to do. - Neil Sedaka They're wrong. - Clint Eastwood
I got an A on the paper and the professor wrote, "I laughed, but I still think you should seek help."
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Things like heartache and break-ups, fortunately, define and set lives in place and in the right direction. It seems as though your situation is no different from many others. You/she cheated, things got rocky due to repeated routines, she's felt neglected, you've felt guilty, etc. and now you think 'if I just had one more chance, if only she understood me'
Allowing yourself to feel guilty, have these painful feelings and just overall feeling bad for yourself is not going to help the situation. I know you've heard this before and I know you'll hear it a million times again, but, Self-improvement and No Contact after an initial break-up are probably the most utilizing aspects of creating anew.
She's left, right? So, take this time and start doing some serious work on yourself.
You have inner game issues, rather, personal issues that need to be dealt with..I know it feels like the pain in your chest doesn't even allow you to go outside and enjoy the fresh air anymore. Everything and anything will get you down. Even if something happens that makes your excited, you're just going to think, "Wow, I'm excited, but, I could be MORE excited if my ex was back in my arms."
Your codependency is at extremely high levels right now, you need to get it under control before you start to lose your mind over this woman. This is probably one of the worse stories I've seen on this site revolving around break-ups, but I've seen some damn hard times out of a man that just couldn't take the pain anymore. He and his wife had divorced after 11 years being married with kids and she instantly got into another relationship with another guy. Well, the man that lost his wife and kids and had to move 450 miles away from his home decided to change his life. He got everything together and made a plan to recreate and redesign his life. He started working out, got promoted at his job, changed his style and fashion, read books on breaking away from codependency, and even got into another relationship about 6 months after his wife left him. He realized that, although he was in the worst stage of his life, he could really come back a new and improved man. He just needed to put the work into it and start seeing results as he started to loosen up and become more confident in himself.
Stories like these happen all the time and I say it's your turn to flip the script. It's never too early or too late to change your life, man. It's all in the motivation to become a better person. Accept your mistakes in the past relationship and start forgiving yourself; you deserve the time and effort it takes to become the person you want to be.
Go out there and change your life one step at a time. It really just takes some will power and understanding of the past and accepting it.
You got this shit, bro. Don't let the past hold you back from that warm horizon.
How many meltdowns are you gonna have?
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How many meltdowns are you gonna have?
sounds to me like kh300 is giving good advice and decent life lessons. are you so immature that you can't see it?
Just curious.. .
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Kick that bitch to the gutter, I say.
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sounds to me like kh300 is giving good advice and decent life lessons. are you so immature that you can't see it?
Just curious.. .
Thanks iron brother!