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CHICAGO – These days, Bill Ayers doesn't want to talk about the Weathermen, the Vietnam-era radical group he helped found that carried out bombings at the Pentagon and the Capitol.
That doesn't mean the man who has become a political headache for Barack Obama is hiding his past. In fact, all you need to do is stand outside Ayers' office at the University of Illinois in Chicago to be confronted with it.
Ayers' connection to the Weather Underground is plastered on his door. A postcard for a documentary on the group shows an old mugshot of Ayers. Nearby is cover art from Ayers' 2001 memoir, "Fugitive Days."
But also affixed to the door is the title that reflects how Ayers, now 63, has become known in the past two decades in Chicago: distinguished professor.
"He gives of himself greatly to his students. He gives of his time, his energies, his commitment," said Pamela Quiroz, an associate professor who works in the college of education with Ayers. "He is just a superb individual."
Quiroz is among more than 3,200 people, mostly academics, who have signed an online petition protesting the "demonization" of Ayers during the campaign for the White House.
John McCain's camp has accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," citing, among other things, a 1995 meet-the-candidate coffee that Ayers hosted at his home for Obama when the younger man launched his political career by running for state Senate. The two also served together on a Chicago school reform group and a charity board.
The subject flared up again during Wednesday's final presidential debate when McCain said Obama needs to explain the full extent of his relationship with Ayers, whom he called "an old, washed-up terrorist."
By all accounts, the two men were not close, and Obama has repeatedly denounced Ayers' radical activities.
Ayers has declined repeated requests for interviews. This week, he opened his front door a crack to tell an Associated Press reporter, "I'm not talking, thanks."
Ayers' beige stone rowhouse on Chicago's South Side is just a few blocks from Obama's home. He lives there with his wife, former fellow radical Bernardine Dohrn. Now a law professor at Northwestern University, Dohrn was a fugitive for years with her husband until they surrendered in 1980 and charges against him were dropped because of government misconduct, which included FBI break-ins, wiretaps and opening of mail.
Although Ayers has refashioned his life from street-level revolutionary to intellectual, he has not entirely renounced his past.
When "Fugitive Days" was published, a photo accompanying a Chicago Magazine article showed him stepping on an American flag. He also told The New York Times, in an interview that appeared coincidentally on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001: "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."
The Weather Underground claimed responsibility for bombings in the early 1970s at the U.S. Capitol, a Pentagon restroom and New York City police headquarters. No one was injured. In 1970, a Greenwich Village townhouse that the group was using to build a bomb blew up, killing three members, including Ayers' girlfriend. The bomb, Ayers wrote in his memoir, was packed with screws and nails.
Had it been detonated, he admitted, it would have done "some serious work beyond the blast, tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people, too." It belied the group's claims that its targets were buildings, not people. "We did go off track ... and that was wrong," Ayers told the AP when his book came out.
"I'm not a terrorist," he said at the time. "We tried to sound a piercing alarm that was unruly, difficult and, sometimes, probably wrong. ... I describe what led some people in despair and anger to take some very extreme measures."
Still, in Chicago, he is known more for his work in education, which has earned praise from Mayor Richard Daley, whose own father, the iron-fisted mayor of this city during the Vietnam era, famously sent police to do battle with anti-war demonstrators during the 1968 Democratic National Convention. This spring, when Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign first raised Ayers' relationship with Obama, the younger Daley issued a statement defending him.
"I also know Bill Ayers," Daley said. "He worked with me in shaping our now nationally renowned school reform program. He is a nationally recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community."
Ayers has a doctorate in education from Columbia University in New York and has written or edited more than a dozen books, most about teaching. Ayers is on sabbatical this academic year but still spends time at his university office.
In an opinion piece this week in The Wall Street Journal, Sol Stern, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute who is writing a book on Ayers and social justice teaching, challenged the notion that Ayers is a reformed revolutionary. Stern said he has read most of Ayers' work and concluded: "His hatred of America is as virulent as when he planted a bomb at the Pentagon."
Scott Snyder, a UIC junior in chemical engineering who describes himself as a conservative, said he is uncomfortable with Ayers working at a public university.
"The majority of taxpayers probably would not appreciate their money being spent to somebody with a history of disrespecting numerous public institutions within the United States," Snyder said. "He spent his life sticking it to the man, where now he is employed by the man."
UIC education professor Bill Schubert, who has known Ayers since he sat on the university committee that hired him in 1987, said the Ayers he knows is a Chicago Cubs fan and a good cook who invites colleagues, students and others over to his home for dinner.
But mostly Ayers is a good teacher, said Schubert, who recently wrote a letter about Ayers that he initially circulated among friends when questions about him began to mount. The piece, titled "The Bill Ayers I Know," has since made its way to the Web and extols Ayers' scholarly work and his commitment to teaching.
"I feel like I'm telling factual information about him," Schubert said, "and I am saying that he's a good colleague and friend."
Still, Ayers' past is a delicate matter. Schubert wanted to discuss only Ayers the educator, not Ayers the radical. Asked how he reconciled the two, Schubert paused for a long moment, then said: "That's a question that's too complicated to answer, I think, because it's dependent on different conceptions of what he did."
Robert Becker, an associate professor of anatomy and cell biology at UIC, is, at 60, a member of Ayers' generation but doesn't share his politics.
"He's unrepentant. He took a violent route along with his wife, and is lucky he didn't blow himself up," Becker said. That said, he added that he does not believe Ayers' past disqualifies him from a position on campus: "I'm a pretty conservative person, and I'm not going to deny him the right to be a member of the faculty. I believe that departments should hire who they feel is best for their departments."
Janise Hurtig, a researcher at the university who has known Ayers for about eight years, said he strongly backed a project she and another educator worked on that offers adult writing workshops in Chicago neighborhoods. If the renewed publicity about Ayers' past has weighed on him, Hurtig said, she hasn't noticed.
"He and Bernardine are very thoughtful and reflective about their past, and it's their past," she said.
Ayers had been invited to speak at the University of Nebraska-Lincoln at an education conference Nov. 15, but the school canceled those plans Friday because of safety concerns. <---gotta watch out for conservative nut jobs
Marjorie Kostelnik, dean of the College of Education and Human Sciences, said the decision was based on e-mails and phone calls the university's threat assessment group had received. She did not describe the communications as threats but said they left officials concerned about safety.
Nebraska Gov. Dave Heineman and others had urged the university to rescind its invitation.
"Bill Ayers is a well-known radical who should never have been invited," Heineman said Friday. "The people of Nebraska are outraged."
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After reading this... It sounds to me its obvious he did some crazy shit when he was younger. All of us have and if WE do crazy things that can DISQUALIFY US from being President, but not someone who knows us. Thats rather mental. Since then it seems like he has changed his ways, him and his wife went on to get their PHD in Education and Law. Both have been upstanding citizens in the Chicago community. Does this make him a bad person NOW? Thats something each individual needs to judge for him or her self. But the big question is, does Obama sitting on a board with him and other heavy-weights in Chicago disqualify him to be president? Absolutely not, and I think anyone that qualifies him as a "terrorist" has fallen for the Republican Propaganda machine. Think about the past elections... it was all PEOPLE SCARED... KERRY is a TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!! now OBAMA HANGS WITH TERRORISTS be Scared of him!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its all a big show in Washington just like the WWE... They go at each others throats and then have tea afterwords...
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I'll admit, you had me going for awhile, so I give you credit for your gimmick account.
But, after reading this, and then remembering a post where you said Revered Wrights words were those of the Iraqi Prime minister, I realize this is all a big joke. Nobody could possibly be this dumb. Well played.
Another compelete IDIIOT... he didnt say GOD DAMN AMERICA>.. he was QUOTING WHAT THE IRAQI PRIME MINISTER SAID... if you actually watched the whole video you would see that...But your buddies at FOX news just played the clip of him saying that...
Republicans always gotta leave out FACTS to push their claims...
as far as IF McCain gets in il say GD america!!! And i once again gotta live in HELL casue of ignorant ass scared people following the GOP scare tactics...
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After reading this... It sounds to me its obvious he did some crazy shit when he was younger. All of us have and if WE do crazy things that can DISQUALIFY US from being President, but not someone who knows us. Thats rather mental. Since then it seems like he has changed his ways, him and his wife went on to get their PHD in Education and Law. Both have been upstanding citizens in the Chicago community. Does this make him a bad person NOW? Thats something each individual needs to judge for him or her self. But the big question is, does Obama sitting on a board with him and other heavy-weights in Chicago disqualify him to be president? Absolutely not, and I think anyone that qualifies him as a "terrorist" has fallen for the Republican Propaganda machine. Think about the past elections... it was all PEOPLE SCARED... KERRY is a TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!! now OBAMA HANGS WITH TERRORISTS be Scared of him!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its all a big show in Washington just like the WWE... They go at each others throats and then have tea afterwords...
So Busted If i KILLED some people or bombed a few places against my own country 20/30 yrs ago it's OK now?
give me a break you are trying to justify what he did? Obama knew what this guy did, maybe not at 8 yrs old.
But at 8 yrs old he wasen't running for President. But when he was invited to Ayers house you can bet he knew who he was and what he did, at that point he should have banned any relationship with him at that time, but no Ayers
help him get into the polictical world. You don't hang around people who are going to hurt you in the long run, he should have known better, so it makes me wonder who and what he really stands for?
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Its pathetic that a domestic terrorist that got off on a technicality is now a 'distinguished' liberal Chicago professor. Pathetic.
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Its pathetic that a domestic terrorist that got off on a technicality is now a 'distinguished' liberal Chicago professor. Pathetic.
It's right up there with Nazi money men who laundered the dirty money that went to Hitler to kill Americans scrubbing their history then going on to become supposedly respected Republican President and pResident, or a shallow, treasonous, philandering, gold-digger of a soldier who gives up info getting Americans killed being called distinguished war hero. {spit}
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Its called Paxil, Jag. Give it a try.
Such anger.
;D
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Its pathetic that a domestic terrorist that got off on a technicality is now a 'distinguished' liberal Chicago professor. Pathetic.
This thread is great, shows the real face of this board Democrats.
They will ignore everything just to get their Messiah into the white house.
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It's right up there with Nazi money men who laundered the dirty money that went to Hitler to kill Americans scrubbing their history then going on to become supposedly respected Republican President and pResident, or a shallow, treasonous, philandering, gold-digger of a soldier who gives up info getting Americans killed being called distinguished war hero. {spit}
Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" defense. Good answer.
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It's right up there with Nazi money men who laundered the dirty money that went to Hitler to kill Americans scrubbing their history then going on to become supposedly respected Republican President and pResident, or a shallow, treasonous, philandering, gold-digger of a soldier who gives up info getting Americans killed being called distinguished war hero. {spit}
Dingbat, we're not talking about nazi's and money and ur other drivel...we're talking about a douchbag American terrorist who tried to blow up the Pentagon, his shitbag wife wanted to blow up a dance filled with GI's and their dates...at FT Dix New York. This guy has NEVER repented. He should be arrested, convicted and executed..along with his wife.
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Its pathetic that a domestic terrorist that got off on a technicality is now a 'distinguished' liberal Chicago professor. Pathetic.
Pathetic indeed.
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I've never seen anything suggesting that Bill Ayers killed anyone.
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Pathetic indeed.
Come now he's a scholar ::)
Democrats should go to the dream team, they can spin something on their finger better than any basketball player.
I wonder if Osama will go get some degrees now everything will be forgotten ::)
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I've never seen anything suggesting that Bill Ayers killed anyone.
He was acquitted on a technicality because the FBI was illegally wiretapping to try to find him when he was on the run, which he was for years. Upon leaving the courthouse he proudly proclaimed to the reporters, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!" He has never apologized for his crimes and bombings to government buildings, police precincts and military offices. He has never apologized for his crimes and in fact wish he had done more bombings.
He was protesting the war in Vietnam, which many people did. He took it to another level. Most demonstrations were peaceful.
He has no criminal record because he was acquitted, which is why he has a job as a professor. Had he been convicted, he was facing life in prison.
His organization did kill and maim a few people. He has never apologized. Put another way...if i call in an artillery strike and that kills people, technically I didn't kill anybody did I. But I planned it, put other people in position to do it....even if I miss, it just means I suck at calling in artillery. The intent is still there.
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He was acquitted on a technicality because the FBI was illegally wiretapping to try to find him when he was on the run, which he was for years. Upon leaving the courthouse he proudly proclaimed to the reporters, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!" He has never apologized for his crimes and bombings to government buildings, police precincts and military offices. He has never apologized for his crimes and in fact wish he had done more bombings.
He was protesting the war in Vietnam, which many people did. He took it to another level. Most demonstrations were peaceful.
He has no criminal record because he was acquitted, which is why he has a job as a professor. Had he been convicted, he was facing life in prison.
His organization did kill and maim a few people. He has never apologized. Put another way...if i call in an artillery strike and that kills people, technically I didn't kill anybody did I. But I planned it, put other people in position to do it....even if I miss, it just means I suck at calling in artillery. The intent is still there.
Stop talking about facts in a logical manner....its Democrats you're dealing with...they live in the land where Obama planing to spend more on everything will make the economy better ::)
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I'm sorry...facts always get in the way of liberal bullshit.
December, 1969 Ayers and his zealous co-revolutionaries resorted to an outright terrorist campaign, a step taken at what they dubbed a “National War Council” in Flint, Michigan. It was an ugly scene, where various spokesmen, Berger writes, “proudly proclaimed themselves the ‘New Barbarians’ and pondered aloud whether it would be acceptable to kill white children to prevent the further spread of white supremacy. They worked themselves up to a laughing frenzy, chanting ‘Explode!’” At the end of this sickening spectacle they made the decision to go underground, and within months the bombings started in earnest.
In February 1970 the Weather Underground firebombed the home of John Murtagh, a New York City judge, with his entire family barely escaping the conflagration. On March 6 a massive nail bomb intended to kill and maim soldiers at Fort Dix, NJ prematurely detonated in a townhouse in Greenwich Village, killing three members, Ted Gold, Diana Oughton, and Terry Robbins, while two others, Katy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson, managed to elude capture. “Operating under the logic that ‘the bigger the bang the better,’” Dan Berger notes, “the action was to be a pre-emptive strike against those who would soon drop bombs over Vietnam, thus ‘bringing the war home’ with all the intensity the slogan implied.”
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Should all the Repugs be condemming every single person who has associated with Ayers.
Why just Obama?
Let's start by condeming Walter H. Anennberg and all Republicans who are associated or have taken money from him or his foundation.
Seriously, Annenberg is clearly a supporter of terrorism.
No one can deny that
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He was acquitted on a technicality because the FBI was illegally wiretapping to try to find him when he was on the run, which he was for years. Upon leaving the courthouse he proudly proclaimed to the reporters, "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!" He has never apologized for his crimes and bombings to government buildings, police precincts and military offices. He has never apologized for his crimes and in fact wish he had done more bombings.
He was protesting the war in Vietnam, which many people did. He took it to another level. Most demonstrations were peaceful.
He has no criminal record because he was acquitted, which is why he has a job as a professor. Had he been convicted, he was facing life in prison.
His organization did kill and maim a few people. He has never apologized. Put another way...if i call in an artillery strike and that kills people, technically I didn't kill anybody did I. But I planned it, put other people in position to do it....even if I miss, it just means I suck at calling in artillery. The intent is still there.
Do you have a source suggesting that a bomb he planted or made killed someone?
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Should all the Repugs be condemming every single person who has associated with Ayers.
Why just Obama?
Let's start by condeming Walter H. Anennberg and all Republicans who are associated or have taken money from him or his foundation.
Seriously, Annenberg is clearly a supporter of terrorism.
No one can deny that
It's important to only condemn people you don't like. That's the point of the double standard.
Attack Obama for indirect affiliations with ACORN, Ignore McCain's direct affiliations with ACORN.
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Sure...Anennberg should never have had that douchebag involved but again..we're not talking about Anennberg, we're talking about a guy running for US president.
Dude...I suggest u do ur own homework. The list of things they did and tried to do was very very long. Ayers was a poor terrorist, but I've run into a few poor terrorists.They generally either blow themselves up, as several of the Weather dipshits did, or we find em and kill them, as should have been done to Ayers.
Ok what did McCain do with Acorn ::)
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Sure...Anennberg should never have had that douchebag involved but again..we're not talking about Anennberg, we're talking about a guy running for US president.
Dude...I suggest u do ur own homework. The list of things they did and tried to do was very very long. Ayers was a poor terrorist, but I've run into a few poor terrorists.They generally either blow themselves up, as several of the Weather dipshits did, or we find em and kill them, as should have been done to Ayers.
Ok what did McCain do with Acorn ::)
You seem to be confusing things that Ayers himself did with things that the Weatherman group did.
Your treatment of Annenberg is a lot less harsh than that of Obama. Why? The fact that he is running for president doesn't mean that his involvement should be exaggerated.
And I'm sure that you already know about McCain's involvements with Acorn. If not, then you need to be doing the homework.
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McCain was at an Acorn co-sponsored rally......ok whatever. Ayers has said and done many things, horrible un American things....his wife is a piece of shit. These people helped get Obama elected. They saw something in him, a kindred spirit...yeah this is the guy I want as president. ::)..Annenberg doesn't matter...u can dismiss it all u libs want. U have dismissed his flimsy resume, u dismissed his pastor, Rezco, Ayers, Dorne.....etc etc etc. Obama cares about Obama, he's done nothing to deserve the nomination but make speeches. I really don't care about ACORN. Voter fraud in big cities is par for the Dem course
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Sure...Anennberg should never have had that douchebag involved but again..we're not talking about Anennberg, we're talking about a guy running for US president.
Dude...I suggest u do ur own homework. The list of things they did and tried to do was very very long. Ayers was a poor terrorist, but I've run into a few poor terrorists.They generally either blow themselves up, as several of the Weather dipshits did, or we find em and kill them, as should have been done to Ayers.
Ok what did McCain do with Acorn ::)
If Obama is stained with an association with Ayers then so is Anennberg and any Republican or Democrat or ANYONE who had an association.
BTW - the entire city of Chicago must also support terrorism because Ayers was awarded citizen of the year in 1997.
Here's another list of terrorist supporting scumbags. These people are all on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago along with Wlliam Ayers:
Laura S. Washington - Board Chair - Ida B. Wells-Barnett University Professor and Fellow of the DePaul Humanities Center
Jesus G. Garcia - Board Vice Chair - Executive Director, Little Village Community Development Corporation
Lee Bey - Director of Media and Governmental Affairs, Skidmore, Owings, & Merrill LLP
Doris Salomón Chagin - Community Affairs Director, Midwest US, BP America Inc.
Beth E. Richie - Professor and Head of the Department of African American Studies, University of Illinois at Chicago
Patrick M. Sheahan - Executive Director, Public Affairs, UBS Investment Bank
Charles N. Wheatley - President, Sahara Enterprises, Inc.
Let's also not forget everyone at the University of Illinois at Chicago where Ayers is employed. Those people all support terrorist.
Terrorist supporting scumbags one and all
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McCain was at an Acorn co-sponsored rally......ok whatever. Ayers has said and done many things, horrible un American things....his wife is a piece of shit. These people helped get Obama elected. They saw something in him, a kindred spirit...yeah this is the guy I want as president. ::)..Annenberg doesn't matter...u can dismiss it all u libs want. U have dismissed his flimsy resume, u dismissed his pastor, Rezco, Ayers, Dorne.....etc etc etc. Obama cares about Obama, he's done nothing to deserve the nomination but make speeches. I really don't care about ACORN. Voter fraud in big cities is par for the Dem course
They are dismissed because they are blown out of proportion and irrelevant.
Here is something you should familiarize yourself with: Guilt by association.
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First off...Obama is running for President. Ayers did much more then sit on a board with him...get past that. Second these people don't matter to me...we're talking Obama...as in Presidential hopeful Obama. No Lib its guilt by guilt...guilt by poor judgement..guilt by believing in the same liberal/socialist ideals. There is nothing in Obama's past that says that he's anything other then a borderline socialist and full blown Liberal.
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First off...Obama is running for President. Ayers did much more then sit on a board with him...get past that. Second these people don't matter to me...we're talking Obama...as in Presidential hopeful Obama. No Lib its guilt by guilt...guilt by poor judgement..guilt by believing in the same liberal/socialist ideals. There is nothing in Obama's past that says that he's anything other then a borderline socialist and full blown Liberal.
so you're saying if Obama was not running for President then you would have no problems with his association with Ayers?
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so you're saying if Obama was not running for President then you would have no problems with his association with Ayers?
A problem that a senator is his good friend and was supported financially by him, Ayers also was the first one to give Obama a real position without any real qualifications.
If I'm not mistaken both Ayers and Obama wives worked together too in the past.
Also...what is so weird in not wanting a president candidate to be a good friend of a terrorist?
So if Obama was a friend of his long lost cousin Osama :P Will that be ok? That will also be guilt by association? ::)
So you're saying...lets have the leaders hanging with terrorists, killers, rapists, thieves and whatever....it ok...they aren't the ones doing the crimes ::)
Actually it fits the joke from the roast...the senate isn't that far from being that lol.
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This is the FIRST thread I have ever seen republlicans Post FACTS... im very proud of you... every other thread you ignore facts and the FIRST TIME facts are actually being put out... congrads!!! You learned how to use "the google" to find out he got off on a technicality...He was a terrible man 40 years ago!!! But there is still a lot of Rhetoric with his involvement with Obama...
Lets list the Terrorist Supporters Shall we....
Walter Annenberg, former ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Ronald Regan, was the United States' most generous living philanthropist. By 1998, Annenberg had given away more than $2 billion and the assets of the Annenberg Foundation he had established in June 1989 with $1 billion had grown to $3 billion and ranked as the 12th largest in the U.S. Every weekday from May through November, Annenberg was driven from his home in Wynnewood, Pennsylvania to his Annenberg Foundation headquarters in St. Davids, Pennsylvania, where as its sole director, he reserved virtually every decision for himself when making grants.[2]
In June 1993, Annenberg announced he was making the largest individual gift to private education in history—$365 million to four schools: $120 million each to the communication programs at the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Southern California, $25 million to Harvard College, and $100 million to his alma mater, the Peddie School in Hightstown, New Jersey.[2][3]
Annenberg sought recommendations on making a large gift to American public schools from his pro bono education advisors:[5]
1. Vartan Gregorian, president of Brown University (1989–1987); president of the Carnegie Corporation (1997– ); former president of the New York Public Library; former professor of Southwest Asian history, dean, and provost of the University of Pennsylvania
2. Ted Sizer, founding chairman of the Coalition of Essential Schools (CES) (1984–1997); professor of education at Brown University (1983–1997); former headmaster of Phillips Andover (1972–1981); former dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education (1964–1972)
3. David Kearns, chairman of the Alexandria-based New American Schools Development Corporation (NASDC)—a 1991 school reform initiative of President George H. W. Bush; former Deputy Secretary of Education (1991–1993) under Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander in the George H. W. Bush administration; former president, CEO and chairman of Xerox
The three co-authors of Chicago's winning Annenberg Challenge $49.2 million grant proposal were:[18][19]
1. William Ayers, associate professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago; co-director of the Small Schools Workshop; co-director of the Chicago Forum for School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools;[20] chairman of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition;[21][22] former Chicago assistant deputy mayor for education (1989–1990);[22] brother of John Ayers, executive director (1994–2004) of Leadership for Quality Education (an affiliate of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago) and former associate director (1987–1994) of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; son of Thomas Ayers, former president (1964–1980), chairman and CEO (1973–1980) of Commonwealth Edison and former vice president (1980) of the Chicago School Board
2. Anne Hallett, executive director and founder of the Cross-City Campaign for Urban School Reform; former executive director of the Wieboldt Foundation (1986–1993); former executive director of the Citizens Education Center in Seattle (1983–1986); former executive director and founder of the Chicago Panel on School Policy (1982–1983); former chair, founder, and chief lobbyist for Citizens for Fair School Funding in Seattle (1976–1982)[21][23][24][25][26][27]
3. Warren Chapman, senior program officer for education at the Joyce Foundation; former state coordinator at the Illinois State Board of Education for the Illinois Alliance of Essential Schools—a regional center of the Coalition of Essential Schools (1986–1992)[28][29]
1. Adele Smith Simmons, president of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (1989–1999); vice chair and senior executive of Chicago Metropolis 2020—a project of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1999– ); senior associate at the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago (1999–2005); former president of Hampshire College (1977–1989); former assistant professor of East African history at Princeton University (1972–1977) and Tufts University (1969–1972); former dean of students at Princeton University (1972–1977); former dean of Jackson College for Women of Tufts University (1970–1972); Ph.D. 1969, University of Oxford; B.A. 1963, Radcliffe College[31]
2. Deborah Leff, president of the Joyce Foundation (1992–1999); president and CEO of America's Second Harvest (1999–2001); director of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library (2001–2006); president of Public Welfare Foundation (2006– ); former senior producer at ABC News (1983–1989); former producer at WLS-TV ABC 7 News in Chicago (1981–1983); former director of public affairs at the Federal Trade Commission (1980–1981); former civil rights attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice (1977–1979); J.D. 1977, University of Chicago Law School; A.B. 1973, Princeton University[32]
3. Patricia Albjerg Graham, president of the Spencer Foundation (1991–2000); professor of the history of education (1977–2006) and former dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education (1982–1991); former dean of the Radcliffe Institute (1974–1977) and vice president of Radcliffe College (1976–1977); former assistant professor (1965–1968), associate professor (1968–1972), professor (1972–1974) of the history of education at Barnard College and Teachers College, Columbia University; former assistant professor of the history of education at Indiana University (1964–1966); former high school teacher, Norfolk, Viriginia (1955–1956, 1957–1958), New York City (1958–1960); Ph.D. 1964, Columbia University; B.S. 1955, M.S. 1957, Purdue University[33]
Board of Directors
The founding Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as announced in 1995 were:[39][40]
1. Patricia Albjerg Graham
[b] 2. Barack Obama, civil rights attorney at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland; lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School; member of the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund of Chicago; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1993; former president of the Harvard Law Review (1990–1991); former executive director of the Developing Communities Project (June 1985–May 1988)[25][41][42][43][/b][/u]
3. Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of the University of Illinois (1979–1995); member of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1983–1995); former professor of education (1965–1971) and senior vice president (1971–1979) of Pennsylvania State University
4. Arnold R. Weber, president of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1995–1999); member of the board of directors of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial and the Tribune Company; former president of Northwestern University (1985–1994) and the University of Colorado (1980–1985); professor of labor economics and friend and colleague of George P. Shultz at MIT, the University of Chicago, and in the Nixon administration[44]
5. Raymond G. Romero, vice president and general counsel of Ameritech; Chicago School Finance Authority board member (appointed in 1992 by Governor Jim Edgar); candidate in the 1996 Democratic primary for the 5th Congressional District of Illinois; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1991; former Illinois Commerce Commission commissioner (appointed in 1985 by Governor Jim Thompson); former civil rights attorney as Midwest regional director of MALDEF where he was lead counsel for Hispanic plaintiffs in the 1985 Chicago ward remap[43][45]
6. Wanda White, executive director of the Community Workshop on Economic Development; former policy director of the Women's Self-Employment Project; former deputy commissioner of economic development under Chicago Mayors Washington, Sawyer and Daley
7. Susan M. Crown, president of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial; vice president of Henry Crown & Company; daughter of Lester Crown[40][46]
8. Handy L. Lindsey, Jr., executive director (1988–1997) then president (1997–2003) of the Field Foundation of Illinois; outgoing chairman of the Donors Forum of Chicago; former associate director of the Chicago Community Trust (1986–1988)[40]
The final Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in 2001 were:[47]
1. Patricia Albjerg Graham
2. Barack Obama
3. Edward S. Bottum, managing director of Chase Franklin Corp.; former president and vice chairman of Continental Illinois Bank[48]
4. Connie C. Evans, founder and president of the Women's Self-Employment Project
5. Susan Blankenbaker Noyes, former labor attorney at Sidley & Austin; daughter of Republican former Indiana state senator Virginia Murphy Blankenbaker; goddaughter of Patricia Albjerg Graham[49]
6. Scott C. Smith, president, CEO and publisher of the Chicago Tribune; former president, CEO and publisher of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel of Fort Lauderdale; former chairman of the South Florida Annenberg Challenge
7. Nancy S. Searle, consultant to the Searle Funds at the Chicago Community Trust
8. Victoria J. Chou, dean of the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago
9. John W. McCarter, Jr., president and CEO of the Field Museum
10. James Reynolds, Jr., co-founder, chairman and CEO of Loop Capital Services
Chicago School Reform Collaborative
The founding members of Chicago School Reform Collaborative announced in 1995 were:[39]
1. William Ayers
2. Warren Chapman
3. Anne Hallett
4. Patricia Anderson, principal, Sullivan High School
5. Sheila Castillo, coordinator, Chicago Association of Local School Councils; LSC member, Inter-American Magnet School
6. Jessica Clarke, education director, Chicago Urban League
7. Dolores Cross, president, Chicago State University
8. James Deanes, president, Parent/Community Council; LSC member, Armstrong Elementary School[21]
9. Lafayette Ford, LSC member, Lucy Flower Vocational High School; former chairman, Chicago School Board Nominating Commission
10. Adela Coronado-Greeley, teacher and founder, Inter-American Magnet School; 1993–4 Illinois Teacher of the Year[21]
11. Patricia Harvey, executive assistant to the general superintendent (1993–5), chief accountability officer (1995–7), Chicago Public Schools; former principal, Hefferan Elementary School
12. Brenda Heffner, director, Chicago office of the Illinois State Board of Education; former principal, Haven Middle School in Evanston, and Haugan, Smyser, and Beethoven Elementary Schools in Chicago
13. Sokoni Karanja, executive director and founder, Centers for New Horizons; 1993 MacArthur Fellow; former member of the board of directors, Woods Charitable Fund (1987–1992)[21][25][50]
14. Peter Martinez, senior program officer for education, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (1991–2001); convenor of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition (Spring 1988)[21][25][51]
15. Coretta McFerren, executive director, West Side Schools and Communities Organizing for Restructuring and Planning (WSCORP); former staff coordinator and chief spokeswoman, People's Coaltion for Educational Reform (PCER)[21]
16. Eric Outten, co-chairman, Schools First; LSC member, Hirsch High School and Burnside Elementary School
17. Migdalia "Millie" Rivera, executive director, Latino Institute
18. Joan Jeter-Slay, associate director, Designs for Change; former member, Interim Chicago School Board (1989–1990)[21][52]
19. Bernard Spillman, consultant, the Comer Project;[53] former assistant superintendent for academic and vocational instructional support, Chicago Public Schools; former principal, Westinghouse Vocational High School[54]
20. Lynn St. James, co-director, Chicago Forum for School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools (1994–5); chief education officer, Chicago Public Schools (1995–7); former principal of Lindblom High School, King High School and Pirie Elementary School[20]
21. Carol Swinney, policy advisor, Office of the Mayor
22. Beverly Tunney, president (1993–2003), Chicago Principals & Administrators Association (CPAA); vice president (1993–2003), American Federation of School Administrators (AFSA); principal, Healy Elementary School[55]
23. Deborah Lynch-Walsh, director, Chicago Teachers Union Quest Center (1992–5); teacher, Marquette Elementary School (1995–2001); president, Chicago Teachers Union (2001–4)
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Dingbat, we're not talking about nazi's and money and ur other drivel...we're talking about a douchbag American terrorist who tried to blow up the Pentagon, his shitbag wife wanted to blow up a dance filled with GI's and their dates...at FT Dix New York. This guy has NEVER repented. He should be arrested, convicted and executed..along with his wife.
I think it would be a very safe bet to say the Nazi's killed more people and blew up more American GI's than Ayres or his wife ever did. The NNazi's of which I speak never repented either, they just went on doing it, ...and are still doing it to this day.
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His organization did kill and maim a few people. He has never apologized. Put another way...if i call in an artillery strike and that kills people, technically I didn't kill anybody did I. But I planned it, put other people in position to do it....even if I miss, it just means I suck at calling in artillery. The intent is still there.
You do realize you summed up rather nicely Vincent Bugliosi case for why Bush should be tried for murder. 8)
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Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...
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Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...
"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
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Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...
"Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
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Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...
Not from the actual bombings themselves, however, people did die "Shitbag Terrorists' as HH6 would call them.
I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that one of the bombs did go off prematurely while The Weather Underground was building it, and a few of their members died as a result, including Ayres' girlfriend at the time.
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A problem that a senator is his good friend and was supported financially by him, Ayers also was the first one to give Obama a real position without any real qualifications.
If I'm not mistaken both Ayers and Obama wives worked together too in the past.
Also...what is so weird in not wanting a president candidate to be a good friend of a terrorist?
So if Obama was a friend of his long lost cousin Osama :P Will that be ok? That will also be guilt by association? ::)
So you're saying...lets have the leaders hanging with terrorists, killers, rapists, thieves and whatever....it ok...they aren't the ones doing the crimes ::)
Actually it fits the joke from the roast...the senate isn't that far from being that lol.
what I'm saying is simple - if Obama is stained with "friends with terrorist" then so is everyone else who had any connection to the guy.
Ayers is clearly considered a pariah. You can tell this by the fact that Chicago awarded him Citizen of the Year in 1997.
BTW - feel free to provide some details on how Ayers gave Obama "a real position without any real qualifications". Didn't they first meet in 1995 which was after Obama had both taught and practiced law?
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You do realize you summed up rather nicely Vincent Bugliosi case for why Bush should be tried for murder. 8)
Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.
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Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.
True, everyone is subject to an off day every once in a while, ...but judgeing by your posts on this board,
...your off day has lasted for 3 years now. You need a vacation. Maybe when President Obama successfully ends the wars, you can finally take one, ...in a nice padded cell? :)
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First off...Obama is running for President. Ayers did much more then sit on a board with him...get past that. Second these people don't matter to me...we're talking Obama...as in Presidential hopeful Obama. No Lib its guilt by guilt...guilt by poor judgement..guilt by believing in the same liberal/socialist ideals. There is nothing in Obama's past that says that he's anything other then a borderline socialist and full blown Liberal.
No association between Obama and Ayers suggests that Obama supports anything he did in the past. That's all that matters. Simply associating with someone like Ayers doesn't make someone guilty.
Now please stop using "liberal" as if it is a bad thing, it isn't, and if "conservative" equals what we've seen in the past 8 years then I'd say that conservative is definitely a bad thing.
Though I'm not so simplistic as to use either term as they are commonly used in the media. I think that you need to stop watching or listening to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Bill O'Reilly. The media, and extremist commentators, tend to redefine these terms and use them as slurs, as you are doing. I know that you have knowledge of neither the history of liberalism or conservatism, but I think it would be helpful to everyone if you took an effort to educate yourself on these issues.
Socialism isn't always a bad thing either. ;)
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Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.
Some might say that our current POTUS pals around with terrorist.
No one can deny he has done business with the families of terrorists
Our former Secretary of Defense even flies around the globe to shake their hand
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"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
Sounds more like bad bomb-making on their part than murder by Ayers to me.
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Keep trying...u can cloud the issue all u want...Obama is a leftist who has very questionable friends...anything Bush or Rummy or Clinton or anybody else did while in Office is the price of doing business. Please keep mind that that 99% of the so called horrible shit we've done was to counter Soviet moves. U can attempt to rewrite history all u want. Obama didn't need to pal around with Ayers or go to Rev Wrights' church.
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Sounds more like bad bomb-making on their part than murder by Ayers to me.
That wasn't the point. Busted claimed no one died and that no bombs exploded.
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Keep trying...u can cloud the issue all u want...Obama is a leftist who has very questionable friends...anything Bush or Rummy or Clinton or anybody else did while in Office is the price of doing business. Please keep mind that that 99% of the so called horrible shit we've done was to counter Soviet moves. U can attempt to rewrite history all u want. Obama didn't need to pal around with Ayers or go to Rev Wrights' church.
so you're saying that once Obama becomes POTUS it's ok if he "pals around" with terrorist?
you're also saying that if he wasn't running for POTUS then it's ok if he "pals around" with terrorist (like the long list of people on this thread)?
btw - what part of history did I re-write?
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That wasn't the point. Busted claimed no one died and that no bombs exploded.
He meant by Ayers own doing.
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Staw...more of a general statement based on the Rummy/Saddam picture. I wouldn't care what the hell Obama did if he wasn't running...or would care alot less.
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He meant by Ayers own doing.
Really? So this wasn't "Ayers own doing"?
"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
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Staw...more of a general statement based on the Rummy/Saddam picture. I wouldn't care what the hell Obama did if he wasn't running...or would care alot less.
that's the part of I don't get.
If you really believed he pals around with terrorist then it shouldn't make a bit of difference whether he was running for POTUS or not.
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Notice headhuntersix's signature: "Liberalism is a mental disorder".
How clueless can someone get? I'm willing to bet that he doesn't even know what the word "liberal" means (or conservative for that matter) and only defines liberal in terms of individuals, insults, and specific policies.
I'm also willing to bet that he has done no reading on Locke, John Stuart Mill, Bentham, Paine, Burke, Hume or even Buckley.
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Really? So this wasn't "Ayers own doing"?
"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
BB - I'm not disputing that Ayers was a bombing scumbag at that time but how is this even his own doing?
Was he there? Did he do it himself?
I don't know the details but the short bit you posted doesn't even mention he was there much less responsible
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Thats an issue for the folks in Chicago....i think he's a dirtbag for doing it but it won't damage this country.
Well Liberdipshitmo U would be wrong. I minored in Political Science and now exactly what the fuck I'm saying. Again a Lib who assumes he's the only one who knows anything. I was also a History and English major if u would care to debate that...jackass.
Straw the fact that Ayers sucked as a terrorist is not our problem. I'm not sure how u screw some of the crap up, that they did, but they did.
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Notice headhuntersix's signature: "Liberalism is a mental disorder".
How clueless can someone get? I'm willing to bet that he doesn't even know what the word "liberal" means (or conservative for that matter) and only defines liberal in terms of individuals, insults, and specific policies.
I'm also willing to bet that he has done no reading on Locke, John Stuart Mill, Bentham, Paine, Burke, Hume or even Buckley.
Buckley endorsed a few Dems in his day and his son just endorsed Obama and resigned from the National Review.
Clearly he's become one of those suspect American's that Michele Bachman was so kind to warn us all about
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Thats an issue for the folks in Chicago....i think he's a dirtbag for doing it but it won't damage this country.
Well Liberdipshitmo U would be wrong. I minored in Political Science and now exactly what the fuck I'm saying. Again a Lib who assumes he's the only one who knows anything. I was also a History and English major if u would care to debate that...jackass.
Straw the fact that Ayers sucked as a terrorist is not our problem. I'm not sure how u screw some of the crap up, that they did, but they did.
Ok but then you think they're all dirtbags too right?
The city of Chicago awarded Ayers "Citizen of the Year" in 1997.
The whole city must be full of dirtbags
Annenberg is clearly a world class dirtbag and since he palled around with Reagan I assume he is also a dirtbag
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Staw...more of a general statement based on the Rummy/Saddam picture. I wouldn't care what the hell Obama did if he wasn't running...or would care alot less.
You're completely ignoring the fact that the bin Laden family were huge contributors to George Bush's Arbusto, not to mention the Senior Bush working for the Saudis and bin Laden families after leaving office, even holding business interests in common in the Carlysle Group. Fancy that, a private elite invest fund that would be illegal for ordinary Americans to invest in, has Bush's and bin Ladens in joint venture. The very fund that soars as a result of 911, the terrorist act committed by Saudis. The senior Bush bought, paid for, trained and armed bin Laden. That, is what you call palling around with terrorists, ...or more appropriately terrorists in the family.
We haven't even gotten into McCain's relationship with G. Gordon Liddy another unrepentant terrorist.
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Straw ur deluded....Annenberg no longer matters.....We invloved in major combat in the Middle East...our economy is tanking and we're close to putting a leftist in the White House. Thats the issue. And the Chicago award...who exactly voted again? ::)
Thanks Jag...I guess u quickly dusted off the 911 conspiracy web of intrigue for this thread huh.
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BB - I'm not disputing that Ayers was a bombing scumbag at that time but how is this even his own doing?
Was he there? Did he do it himself?
I don't know the details but the short bit you posted doesn't even mention he was there much less responsible
I don't know, but who cares? It was his group. He was involved in some way. The FBI also things his wife planted a bomb that killed a policeman.
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Straw ur deluded....Annenberg no longer matters.....We invloved in major combat in the Middle East...our economy is tanking and we're close to putting a leftist in the White House. Thats the issue. And the Chicago award...who exactly voted again? ::)
Thanks Jag...I guess u quickly dusted off the 911 conspiracy web of intrigue for this thread huh.
Dusted off?
Look Lazarus, I'm refering to something that occurred 7 yrs ago, ...and your having a kannipshit over something that occurred close to 40 yrs ago. I think yours has a little more dust piled on it. Heck, it had 6 feet of dirt on it.
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Straw ur deluded....Annenberg no longer matters.....We invloved in major combat in the Middle East...our economy is tanking and we're close to putting a leftist in the White House. Thats the issue. And the Chicago award...who exactly voted again? ::)
Thanks Jag...I guess u quickly dusted off the 911 conspiracy web of intrigue for this thread huh.
I'll take that as a compliment coming from you
The whole thing is exactly as it appears to be which is a whole lotta nothing.
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I don't know, but who cares? It was his group. He was involved in some way. The FBI also things his wife planted a bomb that killed a policeman.
classic
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Straw ur deluded....Annenberg no longer matters.....We invloved in major combat in the Middle East...our economy is tanking and we're close to putting a leftist in the White House. Thats the issue. And the Chicago award...who exactly voted again? ::)
Thanks Jag...I guess u quickly dusted off the 911 conspiracy web of intrigue for this thread huh.
Yes our economy is tanking, McCain knows JACK about the economy. Shit i bet Coach knows more about the economy than McCain. His Economic Advisor said we are all whiners, and wrote the bill that deregulated the market in the 90s...
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Even after Obama PWNED the GOP on national TV this past week with the Ayres connection. No educated Intelligent logical human being can say they are "friends" and "pal around"
McCain worked closely with many senators over the years that went down for crimes, shit HE was one of those DIRTY Congressmen back in the 80s!!!
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Come now he's a scholar ::)
Democrats should go to the dream team, they can spin something on their finger better than any basketball player.
I wonder if Osama will go get some degrees now everything will be forgotten ::)
FAIL.
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this thread reminds me of a joke
what's the difference between a Hoover and a Harley?
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this thread reminds me of a joke
what's the difference between a Hoover and a Harley?
something about sucking and blowing?
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something about sucking and blowing?
the location of the dirtbag
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He's a scumbag traitor.
Anyone defending what that shitbag did is a fool.
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He's a scumbag traitor.
Anyone defending what that shitbag did is a fool.
Who defended what he did? Iv never heard 1 person defend what he did....
People defend what he has became..
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what I'm saying is simple - if Obama is stained with "friends with terrorist" then so is everyone else who had any connection to the guy.
Ayers is clearly considered a pariah. You can tell this by the fact that Chicago awarded him Citizen of the Year in 1997.
BTW - feel free to provide some details on how Ayers gave Obama "a real position without any real qualifications". Didn't they first meet in 1995 which was after Obama had both taught and practiced law?
At the time Obama didn't have much more than a degree and some working experience with that other shell organization of Acorn.Quite the jump....
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At the time Obama didn't have much more than a degree and some working experience with that other shell organization of Acorn.Quite the jump....
Are you going to vote for Obama?
I can see by your avatar that you're an African American, so I just figured you would.
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Are you going to vote for Obama?
I can see by your avatar that you're an African American, so I just figured you would.
My avatar says: I got the ban stick. ;D
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At the time Obama didn't have much more than a degree and some working experience with that other shell organization of Acorn.Quite the jump....
he had an undergraduate degree from Columbia and a law degree from Harvard and a ton of other work experience including teaching a practising law. I doubt it would make any difference to you but at least get your facts straight
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I think it would be a very safe bet to say the Nazi's killed more people and blew up more American GI's than Ayres or his wife ever did. The NNazi's of which I speak never repented either, they just went on doing it, ...and are still doing it to this day.
Who are these Nazi's you speak of? They are still doing it to this day? Could you elaborate on that? Seriously just wondering....
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he had an undergraduate degree from Columbia and a law degree from Harvard and a ton of other work experience including teaching a practising law. I doubt it would make any difference to you but at least get your facts straight
Tons of work experience......um. he has never held the same job for 4 straight years. He was a lawyer but never tried any cases, part time mind u. He served in the Ill. Legislature...part time...and he lecturer at UofC Law school part time.. He was never a professor...and he was never a partner at his law firm. He did nothing there and nothing as either a state of fed senataor...for get it dude, he's done nothing.
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Tons of work experience......um. he has never held the same job for 4 straight years. He was a lawyer but never tried any cases, part time mind u. He served in the Ill. Legislature...part time...and he lecturer at UofC Law school part time.. He was never a professor...and he was never a partner at his law firm. He did nothing there and nothing as either a state of fed senataor...for get it dude, he's done nothing.
I agree in part. Saying he has "tons of work experience" is factually inaccurate. I also agree he could have done much more.
But . . . he's about to be president of the U.S., which would compensate for everything he could/should have done.
That said, he's clearly not qualified to be president.
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Tons of work experience......um. he has never held the same job for 4 straight years. He was a lawyer but never tried any cases, part time mind u. He served in the Ill. Legislature...part time...and he lecturer at UofC Law school part time.. He was never a professor...and he was never a partner at his law firm. He did nothing there and nothing as either a state of fed senataor...for get it dude, he's done nothing.
HH - spare me the bullshit Repug talking points. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article
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I agree in part. Saying he has "tons of work experience" is factually inaccurate. I also agree he could have done much more.
But . . . he's about to be president of the U.S., which would compensate for everything he could/should have done.
That said, he's clearly not qualified to be president.
how about instead of just saying it show me something to support your statement
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HH - spare me the bullshit Repug talking points. http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/700499,CST-NWS-Obama-law17.article
Ok Straw...I know all ur facts fall from the sky and into ur brain...not from some dipshit lib website. ::)
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I agree in part. Saying he has "tons of work experience" is factually inaccurate. I also agree he could have done much more.
But . . . he's about to be president of the U.S., which would compensate for everything he could/should have done.
That said, he's clearly not qualified to be president.
Yep , I love it how they attack Palin that is VP while Obama going for P have less experience than her at relevant experience.
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Facts again......see the polls today. Obama is done another point or so. Wonder why, must be racism. It wouldn't be that Obama is worfully unprepared or that Americans don't vote for Lib douchbags.
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Yep , I love it how they attack Palin that is VP while Obama going for P have less experience than her at relevant experience.
Tell me about it.
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Facts again......see the polls today. Obama is done another point or so. Wonder why, must be racism. It wouldn't be that Obama is worfully unprepared or that Americans don't vote for Lib douchbags.
From what I heard is mostly due to allot of poles being based on voter registration...and as we know...he is losing those fast.
He got twice the money ,abuse his color to dodge tons of attacks and lie like a crazy man and he still can't get a real lead.
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Ok Straw...I know all ur facts fall from the sky and into ur brain...not from some dipshit lib website. ::)
the link I provided is from the Chicago Sun Times. I could provide many others but who really cares.
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Facts again......see the polls today. Obama is done another point or so. Wonder why, must be racism. It wouldn't be that Obama is worfully unprepared or that Americans don't vote for Lib douchbags.
you're quite the wordsmith
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the link I provided is from the Chicago Sun Times. I could provide many others but who really cares.
My point exactly...u don't come up with this crap urself either.
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Doesn't anyone think anyone that Ayers quiet is too suspicious?
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So if Obama was a friend of his long lost cousin Osama :P Will that be ok? That will also be guilt by association? ::)
Bush IS a friend of Osama and the entire Bin Laden family... So who's the one associating with terrorists?
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Bush IS a friend of Osama and the entire Bin Laden family... So who's the one associating with terrorists?
I'm guessing that your rampant lies actually mean that Bush deals with the Saudi royal family, well he does that as the president and not as a private individual getting funds and jobs from them.
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My point exactly...u don't come up with this crap urself either.
wtf ? so you expect me to create facts my own facts?
I guess that's not suprising since that's basically all the NeoCons do.
Make up shit and pretend it's fact
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I'm guessing that your rampant lies actually mean that Bush deals with the Saudi royal family, well he does that as the president and not as a private individual getting funds and jobs from them.
Uh... No... He's done it numerous times BEFORE president.
The Bin Laden family is heavily invested in the Carlisle Group as well as the Bush family.
There is no lie... What lie have am I telling?
Please do educate us.
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Uh... No... He's done it numerous times BEFORE president.
The Bin Laden family is heavily invested in the Carlisle Group as well as the Bush family.
There is no lie... What lie have am I telling?
Please do educate us.
So the royal Saudi family are terrorists now just as their black sheep family member ? The ones that Osama abandoned because they have ties to the US?
Is that racism that I smell from you?
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So the royal Saudi family are terrorists now just as their black sheep family member ? The ones that Osama abandoned because they have ties to the US?
Is that racism that I smell from you?
I think it's a much closer tie to a known terrorist than Obama has.
Although I'm sure you'll disagree and say I'm lying.
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Who funds all those madrasas in Saudi Arabia where they indoctrinate children to hate America. They are also exporting that model to other countries
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004761.php
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So the royal Saudi family are terrorists now just as their black sheep family member ? The ones that Osama abandoned because they have ties to the US?
Is that racism that I smell from you?
No, this is what is known as 'guilt by association' and it is the whole premise of the Ayers smear.
Don't you have some Rush Limbaugh to listen to?