Bill Ayres In Chicago, ex-radical better known as a scholar

[Straw Man]

First off...Obama is running for President. Ayers did much more then sit on a board with him...get past that. Second these people don't matter to me...we're talking Obama...as in Presidential hopeful Obama. No Lib its guilt by guilt...guilt by poor judgement..guilt by believing in the same liberal/socialist ideals. There is nothing in Obama's past that says that he's anything other then a borderline socialist and full blown Liberal.

so you're saying if Obama was not running for President then you would have no problems with his association with Ayers?

[IFBBwannaB]

so you're saying if Obama was not running for President then you would have no problems with his association with Ayers?

A problem that a senator is his good friend and was supported financially by him, Ayers also was the first one to give Obama a real position without any real qualifications.

If I'm not mistaken both Ayers and Obama wives worked together too in the past.

Also...what is so weird in not wanting a president candidate to be a good friend of a terrorist?

So if Obama was a friend of his long lost cousin Osama Will that be ok? That will also be guilt by association? 

So you're saying...lets have the leaders hanging with terrorists, killers, rapists, thieves and whatever....it ok...they aren't the ones doing the crimes 

Actually it fits the joke from the roast...the senate isn't that far from being that lol.

[Busted]

This is the FIRST thread I have ever seen republlicans Post FACTS... im very proud of you... every other thread you ignore facts and the FIRST TIME facts are actually being put out... congrads!!! You learned how to use "the google" to find out he got off on a technicality...He was a terrible man 40 years ago!!! But there is still a lot of Rhetoric with his involvement with Obama...

Lets list the Terrorist Supporters Shall we....


Walter Annenberg, former ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Ronald Regan, was the United States' most generous living philanthropist. By 1998, Annenberg had given away more than $2 billion and the assets of the Annenberg Foundation he had established in June 1989 with $1 billion had grown to $3 billion and ranked as the 12th largest in the U.S. Every weekday from May through November, Annenberg was driven from his home in Wynnewood, Pennsylvania to his Annenberg Foundation headquarters in St. Davids, Pennsylvania, where as its sole director, he reserved virtually every decision for himself when making grants.[2]

In June 1993, Annenberg announced he was making the largest individual gift to private education in history—$365 million to four schools: $120 million each to the communication programs at the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Southern California, $25 million to Harvard College, and $100 million to his alma mater, the Peddie School in Hightstown, New Jersey.[2][3]

Annenberg sought recommendations on making a large gift to American public schools from his pro bono education advisors:[5]

  1. Vartan Gregorian, president of Brown University (1989–1987); president of the Carnegie Corporation (1997– ); former president of the New York Public Library; former professor of Southwest Asian history, dean, and provost of the University of Pennsylvania
   2. Ted Sizer, founding chairman of the Coalition of Essential Schools (CES) (1984–1997); professor of education at Brown University (1983–1997); former headmaster of Phillips Andover (1972–1981); former dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education (1964–1972)
   3. David Kearns, chairman of the Alexandria-based New American Schools Development Corporation (NASDC)—a 1991 school reform initiative of President George H. W. Bush; former Deputy Secretary of Education (1991–1993) under Secretary of Education Lamar Alexander in the George H. W. Bush administration; former president, CEO and chairman of Xerox



The three co-authors of Chicago's winning Annenberg Challenge $49.2 million grant proposal were:[18][19]

   1. William Ayers, associate professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago; co-director of the Small Schools Workshop; co-director of the Chicago Forum for School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools;[20] chairman of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition;[21][22] former Chicago assistant deputy mayor for education (1989–1990);[22] brother of John Ayers, executive director (1994–2004) of Leadership for Quality Education (an affiliate of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago) and former associate director (1987–1994) of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; son of Thomas Ayers, former president (1964–1980), chairman and CEO (1973–1980) of Commonwealth Edison and former vice president (1980) of the Chicago School Board
   2. Anne Hallett, executive director and founder of the Cross-City Campaign for Urban School Reform; former executive director of the Wieboldt Foundation (1986–1993); former executive director of the Citizens Education Center in Seattle (1983–1986); former executive director and founder of the Chicago Panel on School Policy (1982–1983); former chair, founder, and chief lobbyist for Citizens for Fair School Funding in Seattle (1976–1982)[21][23][24][25][26][27]
   3. Warren Chapman, senior program officer for education at the Joyce Foundation; former state coordinator at the Illinois State Board of Education for the Illinois Alliance of Essential Schools—a regional center of the Coalition of Essential Schools (1986–1992)[28][29]

   1. Adele Smith Simmons, president of the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (1989–1999); vice chair and senior executive of Chicago Metropolis 2020—a project of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1999– ); senior associate at the Center for International Studies at the University of Chicago (1999–2005); former president of Hampshire College (1977–1989); former assistant professor of East African history at Princeton University (1972–1977) and Tufts University (1969–1972); former dean of students at Princeton University (1972–1977); former dean of Jackson College for Women of Tufts University (1970–1972); Ph.D. 1969, University of Oxford; B.A. 1963, Radcliffe College[31]
   2. Deborah Leff, president of the Joyce Foundation (1992–1999); president and CEO of America's Second Harvest (1999–2001); director of the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library (2001–2006); president of Public Welfare Foundation (2006– ); former senior producer at ABC News (1983–1989); former producer at WLS-TV ABC 7 News in Chicago (1981–1983); former director of public affairs at the Federal Trade Commission (1980–1981); former civil rights attorney at the U.S. Department of Justice (1977–1979); J.D. 1977, University of Chicago Law School; A.B. 1973, Princeton University[32]
  3. Patricia Albjerg Graham, president of the Spencer Foundation (1991–2000); professor of the history of education (1977–2006) and former dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education (1982–1991); former dean of the Radcliffe Institute (1974–1977) and vice president of Radcliffe College (1976–1977); former assistant professor (1965–1968), associate professor (1968–1972), professor (1972–1974) of the history of education at Barnard College and Teachers College, Columbia University; former assistant professor of the history of education at Indiana University (1964–1966); former high school teacher, Norfolk, Viriginia (1955–1956, 1957–1958), New York City (1958–1960); Ph.D. 1964, Columbia University; B.S. 1955, M.S. 1957, Purdue University[33]

Board of Directors

The founding Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as announced in 1995 were:[39][40]

   1. Patricia Albjerg Graham
  [b] 2. Barack Obama, civil rights attorney at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland; lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School; member of the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund of Chicago; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1993; former president of the Harvard Law Review (1990–1991); former executive director of the Developing Communities Project (June 1985–May 1988)[25][41][42][43][/b][/u]
   3. Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of the University of Illinois (1979–1995); member of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1983–1995); former professor of education (1965–1971) and senior vice president (1971–1979) of Pennsylvania State University
   4. Arnold R. Weber, president of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1995–1999); member of the board of directors of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial and the Tribune Company; former president of Northwestern University (1985–1994) and the University of Colorado (1980–1985); professor of labor economics and friend and colleague of George P. Shultz at MIT, the University of Chicago, and in the Nixon administration[44]
   5. Raymond G. Romero, vice president and general counsel of Ameritech; Chicago School Finance Authority board member (appointed in 1992 by Governor Jim Edgar); candidate in the 1996 Democratic primary for the 5th Congressional District of Illinois; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1991; former Illinois Commerce Commission commissioner (appointed in 1985 by Governor Jim Thompson); former civil rights attorney as Midwest regional director of MALDEF where he was lead counsel for Hispanic plaintiffs in the 1985 Chicago ward remap[43][45]
   6. Wanda White, executive director of the Community Workshop on Economic Development; former policy director of the Women's Self-Employment Project; former deputy commissioner of economic development under Chicago Mayors Washington, Sawyer and Daley
   7. Susan M. Crown, president of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial; vice president of Henry Crown & Company; daughter of Lester Crown[40][46]
   8. Handy L. Lindsey, Jr., executive director (1988–1997) then president (1997–2003) of the Field Foundation of Illinois; outgoing chairman of the Donors Forum of Chicago; former associate director of the Chicago Community Trust (1986–1988)[40]

The final Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in 2001 were:[47]

   1. Patricia Albjerg Graham
   2. Barack Obama
   3. Edward S. Bottum, managing director of Chase Franklin Corp.; former president and vice chairman of Continental Illinois Bank[48]
   4. Connie C. Evans, founder and president of the Women's Self-Employment Project
   5. Susan Blankenbaker Noyes, former labor attorney at Sidley & Austin; daughter of Republican former Indiana state senator Virginia Murphy Blankenbaker; goddaughter of Patricia Albjerg Graham[49]
   6. Scott C. Smith, president, CEO and publisher of the Chicago Tribune; former president, CEO and publisher of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel of Fort Lauderdale; former chairman of the South Florida Annenberg Challenge
   7. Nancy S. Searle, consultant to the Searle Funds at the Chicago Community Trust
   8. Victoria J. Chou, dean of the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago
   9. John W. McCarter, Jr., president and CEO of the Field Museum
  10. James Reynolds, Jr., co-founder, chairman and CEO of Loop Capital Services

Chicago School Reform Collaborative

The founding members of Chicago School Reform Collaborative announced in 1995 were:[39]

   1. William Ayers
   2. Warren Chapman
   3. Anne Hallett
   4. Patricia Anderson, principal, Sullivan High School
   5. Sheila Castillo, coordinator, Chicago Association of Local School Councils; LSC member, Inter-American Magnet School
   6. Jessica Clarke, education director, Chicago Urban League
   7. Dolores Cross, president, Chicago State University
   8. James Deanes, president, Parent/Community Council; LSC member, Armstrong Elementary School[21]
   9. Lafayette Ford, LSC member, Lucy Flower Vocational High School; former chairman, Chicago School Board Nominating Commission
  10. Adela Coronado-Greeley, teacher and founder, Inter-American Magnet School; 1993–4 Illinois Teacher of the Year[21]
  11. Patricia Harvey, executive assistant to the general superintendent (1993–5), chief accountability officer (1995–7), Chicago Public Schools; former principal, Hefferan Elementary School
  12. Brenda Heffner, director, Chicago office of the Illinois State Board of Education; former principal, Haven Middle School in Evanston, and Haugan, Smyser, and Beethoven Elementary Schools in Chicago
  13. Sokoni Karanja, executive director and founder, Centers for New Horizons; 1993 MacArthur Fellow; former member of the board of directors, Woods Charitable Fund (1987–1992)[21][25][50]
  14. Peter Martinez, senior program officer for education, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (1991–2001); convenor of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition (Spring 1988)[21][25][51]
  15. Coretta McFerren, executive director, West Side Schools and Communities Organizing for Restructuring and Planning (WSCORP); former staff coordinator and chief spokeswoman, People's Coaltion for Educational Reform (PCER)[21]
  16. Eric Outten, co-chairman, Schools First; LSC member, Hirsch High School and Burnside Elementary School
  17. Migdalia "Millie" Rivera, executive director, Latino Institute
  18. Joan Jeter-Slay, associate director, Designs for Change; former member, Interim Chicago School Board (1989–1990)[21][52]
  19. Bernard Spillman, consultant, the Comer Project;[53] former assistant superintendent for academic and vocational instructional support, Chicago Public Schools; former principal, Westinghouse Vocational High School[54]
  20. Lynn St. James, co-director, Chicago Forum for School Change—an affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools (1994–5); chief education officer, Chicago Public Schools (1995–7); former principal of Lindblom High School, King High School and Pirie Elementary School[20]
  21. Carol Swinney, policy advisor, Office of the Mayor
  22. Beverly Tunney, president (1993–2003), Chicago Principals & Administrators Association (CPAA); vice president (1993–2003), American Federation of School Administrators (AFSA); principal, Healy Elementary School[55]
  23. Deborah Lynch-Walsh, director, Chicago Teachers Union Quest Center (1992–5); teacher, Marquette Elementary School (1995–2001); president, Chicago Teachers Union (2001–4)

[24KT]

Dingbat, we're not talking about nazi's and money and ur other drivel...we're talking about a douchbag American terrorist who tried to blow up the Pentagon, his shitbag wife wanted to blow up a dance filled with GI's and their dates...at FT Dix New York. This guy has NEVER repented. He should be arrested, convicted and executed..along with his wife.

I think it would be a very safe bet to say the Nazi's killed more people and blew up more American GI's than Ayres or his wife ever did. The NNazi's of which I speak never repented either, they just went on doing it, ...and are still doing it to this day.

[24KT]

His organization did kill and maim a few people. He has never apologized. Put another way...if i call in an artillery strike and that kills people, technically I didn't kill anybody did I. But I planned it, put other people in position to do it....even if I miss, it just means I suck at calling in artillery. The intent is still there.

You do realize you summed up rather nicely Vincent Bugliosi case for why Bush should be tried for murder. 

[Busted]

Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...

[Dos Equis]

Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...

"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history

[Dos Equis]

Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...

"Ayers participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and The Pentagon in 1972, as he noted in his 2001 book, Fugitive Days."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history

[24KT]

Nobody ever got killed in any of the Bombings... More Rhetoric by the GOP... The fucking bombs DIDN'T GO OFF...

Not from the actual bombings themselves, however, people did die "Shitbag Terrorists' as HH6 would call them.
I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that one of the bombs did go off prematurely while The Weather Underground was building it, and a few of their members died as a result, including Ayres' girlfriend at the time.

[Straw Man]

A problem that a senator is his good friend and was supported financially by him, Ayers also was the first one to give Obama a real position without any real qualifications.

If I'm not mistaken both Ayers and Obama wives worked together too in the past.

Also...what is so weird in not wanting a president candidate to be a good friend of a terrorist?

So if Obama was a friend of his long lost cousin Osama Will that be ok? That will also be guilt by association? 

So you're saying...lets have the leaders hanging with terrorists, killers, rapists, thieves and whatever....it ok...they aren't the ones doing the crimes 

Actually it fits the joke from the roast...the senate isn't that far from being that lol.

what I'm saying is simple - if Obama is stained with "friends with terrorist" then so is everyone else who had any connection to the guy.

Ayers is clearly considered a pariah. You can tell this by the fact that Chicago awarded him Citizen of the Year in 1997.

BTW - feel free to provide some details on how Ayers gave Obama  "a real position without any real qualifications".   Didn't they first meet in 1995 which was after Obama had both taught and practiced law?

[headhuntersix]

You do realize you summed up rather nicely Vincent Bugliosi case for why Bush should be tried for murder. 

Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.

[24KT]

Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.

True, everyone is subject to an off day every once in a while, ...but judgeing by your posts on this board,
...your off day has lasted for 3 years now. You need a vacation. Maybe when President Obama successfully ends the wars, you can finally take one, ...in a nice padded cell? 

[liberalismo]

First off...Obama is running for President. Ayers did much more then sit on a board with him...get past that. Second these people don't matter to me...we're talking Obama...as in Presidential hopeful Obama. No Lib its guilt by guilt...guilt by poor judgement..guilt by believing in the same liberal/socialist ideals. There is nothing in Obama's past that says that he's anything other then a borderline socialist and full blown Liberal.

No association between Obama and Ayers suggests that Obama supports anything he did in the past. That's all that matters. Simply associating with someone like Ayers doesn't make someone guilty.

Now please stop using "liberal" as if it is a bad thing, it isn't, and if "conservative" equals what we've seen in the past 8 years then I'd say that conservative is definitely a bad thing.

Though I'm not so simplistic as to use either term as they are commonly used in the media. I think that you need to stop watching or listening to Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin and Bill O'Reilly. The media, and extremist commentators, tend to redefine these terms and use them as slurs, as you are doing. I know that you have knowledge of neither the history of liberalism or conservatism, but I think it would be helpful to everyone if you took an effort to educate yourself on these issues.

Socialism isn't always a bad thing either.  

[Straw Man]

Jag...by people I mean terrorist dirtbags....Taliban dirtbags...just plain dirtbags....and I'm steel on target within 3 rounds.....but everybody has an off day.

Some might say that our current POTUS pals around with terrorist.
No one can deny he has done business with the families of terrorists
Our former Secretary of Defense even flies around the globe to shake their hand

[liberalismo]

"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history

Sounds more like bad bomb-making on their part than murder by Ayers to me.

[headhuntersix]

Keep trying...u can cloud the issue all u want...Obama is a leftist who has very questionable friends...anything Bush or Rummy or Clinton or anybody else did while in Office is the price of doing business. Please keep mind that that 99% of the so called horrible shit we've done was to counter Soviet moves. U can attempt to rewrite history all u want. Obama didn't need to pal around with Ayers or go to Rev Wrights' church.

[Dos Equis]

Sounds more like bad bomb-making on their part than murder by Ayers to me.

That wasn't the point.  Busted claimed no one died and that no bombs exploded. 

[Straw Man]

Keep trying...u can cloud the issue all u want...Obama is a leftist who has very questionable friends...anything Bush or Rummy or Clinton or anybody else did while in Office is the price of doing business. Please keep mind that that 99% of the so called horrible shit we've done was to counter Soviet moves. U can attempt to rewrite history all u want. Obama didn't need to pal around with Ayers or go to Rev Wrights' church.

so you're saying that once Obama becomes POTUS it's ok if he "pals around" with terrorist?

you're also saying that if he wasn't running for POTUS then it's ok if he "pals around" with terrorist (like the long list of people on this thread)?

btw - what part of history did I re-write?

[liberalismo]

That wasn't the point.  Busted claimed no one died and that no bombs exploded. 

He meant by Ayers own doing.

[headhuntersix]

Staw...more of a general statement based on the Rummy/Saddam picture. I wouldn't care what the hell Obama did if he wasn't running...or would care alot less.

[Dos Equis]

He meant by Ayers own doing.

Really?  So this wasn't "Ayers own doing"? 

"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history

[Straw Man]

Staw...more of a general statement based on the Rummy/Saddam picture. I wouldn't care what the hell Obama did if he wasn't running...or would care alot less.

that's the part of I don't get.

If you really believed he pals around with terrorist then it shouldn't make a bit of difference whether he was running for POTUS or not.

[liberalismo]

Notice headhuntersix's signature: "Liberalism is a mental disorder".

How clueless can someone get? I'm willing to bet that he doesn't even know what the word "liberal" means (or conservative for that matter) and only defines liberal in terms of individuals, insults, and specific policies.

I'm also willing to bet that he has done no reading on Locke, John Stuart Mill, Bentham, Paine, Burke, Hume or even Buckley.

[Straw Man]

Really?  So this wasn't "Ayers own doing"? 

"In 1970 he 'went underground' with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Diana Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were assembling exploded." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history

BB - I'm not disputing that Ayers was a bombing scumbag at that time but how is this even his own doing?

Was he there?  Did he do it himself?   

I don't know the details but the short bit you posted doesn't even mention he was there much less responsible

[headhuntersix]

Thats an issue for the folks in Chicago....i think he's a dirtbag for doing it but it won't damage this country.

Well Liberdipshitmo U would be wrong. I minored in Political Science and now exactly what the fuck I'm saying. Again a Lib who assumes he's the only one who knows anything. I was also a History and English major if u would care to debate that...jackass.

Straw the fact that Ayers sucked as a terrorist is not our problem. I'm not sure how u screw some of the crap up, that they did, but they did.