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Re: California and same sex "marriage"
« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2008, 03:14:59 PM »
Don't think the Doctor is going to check my prostate with his penis to see if I'm good health.........do you?

I don't know about that:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-me-doctor31-2008may31,0,605751.story

Ex-Northern California doctor accused in sex assaults of men

Tony Shiu was deported from Taiwan to face charges that include felony sodomy. He fled the United States in 2006, after photos of unconscious and semi-nude men were found in his home.

He was charged with felony sodomy, sexual penetration of an unconscious person, sexual assault during medical treatment and several misdemeanors related to the alleged assaults on the two men.

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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2008, 03:16:16 PM »
Exactly. In most cultures, the divorce rate is sky high, as is adultery - there is hardly any "sanctity of marriage" but people run around screaming it all the time.

Joe, please go easy on posting your fantasies on the G&O. Take that to the sex board >:(

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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2008, 03:24:18 PM »
I don't give a fuck what this country thinks.  Me and the Queen are getting married in Thunder Bay.  Bush, Barack, and Hillary can all kiss my ass as neither one of them are going to do a damn thing.

Yea I said Barack and Hillary, they are proposing "civil unions" which is a slap in my face.  No difference than Bill Clinton saying that he smoked but never inhaled.  At least Bush has the decency to say  " Hell no, f#ck the f$gs"


 
I also hear all this stuff about preserving marriage and quite frankly, its a bunch of bullshit.  Millions of marriages have ended in divorce and if they want to preserve marriage then they should be preaching against infidelity.  Those sonmamabitches should have spoke up with that show "Who wants to marry a millionaire came out.   

As far as 240's comment is concerned, most gay couples or any couple would go around making out in front of a bunch of little kids but in any event, when your kid grows up he'll either like pie or strudel regardless of what he sees or does. 

Hell, for all you know he might just want to cook his own food.....  ;D







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« Reply #53 on: May 30, 2008, 03:27:00 PM »
Perception of right and wrong starts at home, Joe. It shouldn't fall on the public and government to teach personal beliefs.

Also, a child's perception isn't important. We aren't going to see a sudden spike in homosexuals due to gay marriage, but we will see more people who'd have otherwise been in the closet. Most people do not suddenly choose that lifestyle, rather it's innate.

Seems as though society is pushing more and more, take a look around and on TV. I've never seen this before and we have MTV blocked, but appearanly there's a show called "Tilo Tequila" who is this bi-sexual girl who chooses her dates with other men and women and it's seems she talks about her "dating" experiances with other boys and girls when she was 12 or 14 or something like that. What does that tell kids?

Or how about the Logos channel (which is also blocked)? Just last week we were watching some show (cant remember the name of it.....some Dr. show) and they were talking about having a threesome then at the end it showed two chick making out. This on at prime time on a network channel.

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« Reply #54 on: May 30, 2008, 03:32:00 PM »
Is it sin? dunno have to look that one up, but it's not how God intended us to procreate.
Alright.

As a Christian what do you think about sex before marriage? Do you tell your son he might go to hell if he fornicates?

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« Reply #55 on: May 30, 2008, 03:32:42 PM »
Seems as though society is pushing more and more, take a look around and on TV. I've never seen this before and we have MTV blocked, but appearanly there's a show called "Tilo Tequila" who is this bi-sexual girl who chooses her dates with other men and women and it's seems she talks about her "dating" experiances with other boys and girls when she was 12 or 14 or something like that. What does that tell kids?

Or how about the Logos channel (which is also blocked)? Just last week we were watching some show (cant remember the name of it.....some Dr. show) and they were talking about having a threesome then at the end it showed two chick making out. This on at prime time on a network channel.


They do that because that's what people wish to watch.

You are being a good parent by blocking that stuff out, so props to you! I have numerous young cousins all brought up here, and most of their parents would never let them watch Tila Tequila or whoever. Times are a chnaging and you gotta raise your youth accordingly.

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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2008, 03:35:11 PM »
Seems as though society is pushing more and more, take a look around and on TV. I've never seen this before and we have MTV blocked, but appearanly there's a show called "Tilo Tequila" who is this bi-sexual girl who chooses her dates with other men and women and it's seems she talks about her "dating" experiances with other boys and girls when she was 12 or 14 or something like that. What does that tell kids?

Or how about the Logos channel (which is also blocked)? Just last week we were watching some show (cant remember the name of it.....some Dr. show) and they were talking about having a threesome then at the end it showed two chick making out. This on at prime time on a network channel.


Your kids shouldn't be watching any adult shows but if they do, who's fault is that????  Parents need to take more responsibility for their children.  Its not the job of TV networks to babysit.

Society is evolving, Coach, and it will continue to evolve.  Either evolve or die...at least fulfill one part of Darwin's theory.
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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2008, 03:38:21 PM »
Alright.

As a Christian what do you think about sex before marriage? Do you tell your son he might go to hell if he fornicates?

1. I think it's wrong to have sex before marriage and yes, I have.

2. My son just turned 11 yesterday. We haven't had the "discussion" yet....LOL. One thing at a time, I'm still sad he's 11, I'm getting old :'(

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« Reply #58 on: May 30, 2008, 03:39:15 PM »
1. I think it's wrong to have sex before marriage and yes, I have.

2. My son just turned 11 yesterday. We haven't had the "discussion" yet....LOL. One thing at a time, I'm still sad he's 11, I'm getting old :'(

Knowing today's kids, he probably already knows.  ;)

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« Reply #59 on: May 30, 2008, 03:46:51 PM »
1. I think it's wrong to have sex before marriage and yes, I have.

2. My son just turned 11 yesterday. We haven't had the "discussion" yet....LOL. One thing at a time, I'm still sad he's 11, I'm getting old :'(
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Knowing today's kids, he probably already knows.  ;)

Yup. With the internet todays kids know all about double anal, ass to mouth, etc.  :'(  :D

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« Reply #60 on: May 30, 2008, 03:49:15 PM »

Your kids shouldn't be watching any adult shows but if they do, who's fault is that????  Parents need to take more responsibility for their children.  Its not the job of TV networks to babysit.

Society is evolving, Coach, and it will continue to evolve.  Either evolve or die...at least fulfill one part of Darwin's theory.

I agree and it sucks that it's developing into what it is. My boy mostly watches either Nick, Disney, Fox sports or the golf channel, but even with Nick and Disney it's getting contraversial with Brittney Spears sister getting pregnant the affairs between those two teens that were sending naked pics to each other. I know we can't get away from it, it's all aound, just sucks.

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« Reply #61 on: May 30, 2008, 05:03:54 PM »
I agree and it sucks that it's developing into what it is. My boy mostly watches either Nick, Disney, Fox sports or the golf channel, but even with Nick and Disney it's getting contraversial with Brittney Spears sister getting pregnant the affairs between those two teens that were sending naked pics to each other. I know we can't get away from it, it's all aound, just sucks.


Do like I did, get rid of cable.  I have a lot more time for more things and it saves about 110.00 dollars a month. 

Besides you can watch TV over the internet for free.
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« Reply #62 on: May 30, 2008, 05:15:29 PM »
Same sex marrage = a good thing, it brings equal rights to gays.

Using an outdated religious doctrine as the backing for what's legal or not is backwards thinking. There is no logical reason strong enough to inhibit homosexuals from marrage in 2008. If people want to believe in some age old backwards thinking religious doctrine, fine, but if they want the irrational 2000 year old horseshit rules apply to other people hidden as a LAW? then go fuck themselves.

In Norway, fagg.ots are allowed to marry. "Thank god" for a secular society. The more secular, the better.

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« Reply #63 on: May 30, 2008, 08:16:26 PM »
The thing I find so strange about the supposed "Christian" opposition to gay marriage is that no one who expounds the biblical interdiction against same sex marriage/intercourse has actually read Leviticus (the book of Jewish Law).

The passage which forbids gay marriage states that "no man shall lay with another man as he would with a woman" ...on pain of death (as per usual).

Firstly, that's a ban on male-male anal sex... we know Jewish peoples had sacred temple priestesses who only performed anal sex even after the adoption of Mosaic Law...  so the sodomy of women seems to be fine with Yahweh.

Secondly, the same passage that supposedly bans homosexuality also bans the eating of shellfish... and also under penalty of death.

Thirdly, God clearly didn't write/inspire these particular passages as they also include a blanket death penalty for any man who accidentally kills another man... seeing as God is presumably the originator of all accidents he either:
-doesn't agree with these prohibitions (or wasn't consulted)
-uses industrial accidents as a method of killing people he doesn't approve of (while also having his subjects murder the innocent patsy of his choosing)
-uses industrial accidents as a method of framing people he doesn't approve of for the death penalty (while sacrificing an innocent pawn of his choosing)

Similarly, menstruating women must live outside the city walls... witches must be put to death... meat and dairy can't go on the same plate... etc etc etc


Now some Christians claim that the New Testament supersedes the brutality of the Old Testament and Torah... but these self same people also hate fags with a passion...

For the record, Jeebus never said anything about homos... (except a reference to "upholding the Law" which he himself regularly flouted)



But, most importantly of all.... Evangelical Christians (Ameranthropoides non-sapiens) conveniently neglect the possibility that Jesus himself was a queer...

He wasn't married (an unmarried Jewish over thirty man is also a "abomination" according to the Torah).

He hung around with 12 sailors.

He had a female friend he wasn't banging (Mary Magdelene).

He was devoted to his mother.

He threw a hissy fit when his Dad's house was messy (expelling the money traders from the temple)

He had a special disciple (John) described as "the young man whom Jesus loved"

When he was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane he was meeting a young man dressed only in a linen shroud (this same young man simply slipped loose his garment and ran off stark naked when accosted by a Roman soldier).

One of the early Christian cults (I think they were called Capocrations) claimed to have a secret gospel of Mark which detailed the secret sodomy rituals preserved for the inner initiates... one of the early Church Fathers admitted the existence of such a secret gospel but denied the buggery part (but then again, he did deny the very existence of the secret gospel... until he didn't).


And besides all this... Jesus has no moral standing whatsoever, I can prove he was actually evil.


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« Reply #64 on: May 30, 2008, 08:42:55 PM »
He threw a hissy fit when his Dad's house was messy (expelling the money traders from the temple)

*instant classic*

Easily one of the best quotes ever.   ;D

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« Reply #65 on: May 31, 2008, 12:27:40 AM »

One of the early Christian cults (I think they were called Capocrations) claimed to have a secret gospel of Mark which detailed the secret sodomy rituals preserved for the inner initiates... one of the early Church Fathers admitted the existence of such a secret gospel but denied the buggery part (but then again, he did deny the very existence of the secret gospel... until he didn't).

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« Reply #66 on: May 31, 2008, 12:34:22 AM »
As far as 240's comment is concerned, most gay couples or any couple would go around making out in front of a bunch of little kids but in any event, when your kid grows up he'll either like pie or strudel regardless of what he sees or does. 

I agree the kid will do what he's programmed to do, how the good Lord built him.  If he's happy, I'm happy.

And I'm sure only the crassest of couples would have a same-sex makeout session on a playground.





One Q... is it a sin to hit a girl in the tailpipe?

Yes, it's not intended for procreation.  Don't give me that answer.  Is it a sin to fck her mouth, Joe?  It's not for procreation either!

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« Reply #67 on: May 31, 2008, 01:03:20 AM »
The thing I find so strange about the supposed "Christian" opposition to gay marriage is that no one who expounds the biblical interdiction against same sex marriage/intercourse has actually read Leviticus (the book of Jewish Law).

The passage which forbids gay marriage states that "no man shall lay with another man as he would with a woman" ...on pain of death (as per usual).

Firstly, that's a ban on male-male anal sex... we know Jewish peoples had sacred temple priestesses who only performed anal sex even after the adoption of Mosaic Law...  so the sodomy of women seems to be fine with Yahweh.

Secondly, the same passage that supposedly bans homosexuality also bans the eating of shellfish... and also under penalty of death.

Thirdly, God clearly didn't write/inspire these particular passages as they also include a blanket death penalty for any man who accidentally kills another man... seeing as God is presumably the originator of all accidents he either:
-doesn't agree with these prohibitions (or wasn't consulted)
-uses industrial accidents as a method of killing people he doesn't approve of (while also having his subjects murder the innocent patsy of his choosing)
-uses industrial accidents as a method of framing people he doesn't approve of for the death penalty (while sacrificing an innocent pawn of his choosing)

Similarly, menstruating women must live outside the city walls... witches must be put to death... meat and dairy can't go on the same plate... etc etc etc


Now some Christians claim that the New Testament supersedes the brutality of the Old Testament and Torah... but these self same people also hate fags with a passion...

For the record, Jeebus never said anything about homos... (except a reference to "upholding the Law" which he himself regularly flouted)



But, most importantly of all.... Evangelical Christians (Ameranthropoides non-sapiens) conveniently neglect the possibility that Jesus himself was a queer...

He wasn't married (an unmarried Jewish over thirty man is also a "abomination" according to the Torah).

He hung around with 12 sailors.

He had a female friend he wasn't banging (Mary Magdelene).

He was devoted to his mother.

He threw a hissy fit when his Dad's house was messy (expelling the money traders from the temple)

He had a special disciple (John) described as "the young man whom Jesus loved"

When he was arrested in the garden of Gethsemane he was meeting a young man dressed only in a linen shroud (this same young man simply slipped loose his garment and ran off stark naked when accosted by a Roman soldier).

One of the early Christian cults (I think they were called Capocrations) claimed to have a secret gospel of Mark which detailed the secret sodomy rituals preserved for the inner initiates... one of the early Church Fathers admitted the existence of such a secret gospel but denied the buggery part (but then again, he did deny the very existence of the secret gospel... until he didn't).


And besides all this... Jesus has no moral standing whatsoever, I can prove he was actually evil.



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Re: California and same sex "marriage"
« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2008, 01:08:45 AM »
marriage is between man and a woman,period.  if husband and wife get divorced with kids there is allimony and child support paid to the woman. in a failed gay marriage who pays? the one who wore the strap on the most?

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« Reply #69 on: May 31, 2008, 01:17:11 AM »
marriage is between man and a woman,period.  if husband and wife get divorced with kids there is allimony and child support paid to the woman. in a failed gay marriage who pays? the one who wore the strap on the most?

Cool, and here I thought cave men were extinct.....
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« Reply #70 on: May 31, 2008, 01:26:04 AM »
I think with 3 marriages to your name, you've abused the institution more than some gay couple.  8)
So Dr C are you saying "The Coach" is your typical male christian.....FUCKIN HYPOCRICTICAL ???

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« Reply #71 on: May 31, 2008, 01:40:12 AM »
California’s citizens or California’s Supreme Court?

3 pages and no one replied to this...

The California legislature twice passed a same-sex marriage bill, twice it was vetoed by Schwarzenegger.   His stated reason: "the courts should decide". 

In 1948, the California Supreme Court also overturned miscegenation laws, making it legal for people of different races to marry.  (it would take 20 years for the US Supreme Court to do the same). If there was talk radio back then, don't you think they'd be talking about 'activist judges' and overturning the will of the people?   And if California had ballot propositions back then, don't you think groups (like I don't know, the KKK) would rush one onto the ballot to overturn that decision?

there is some talk about whether the ballot measure in November can even overturn the decision.  the recent ruling states that same-sex couple must be treated the same as opposite-sex couples.  the ballot measure as written says gays can't get married.   passing the proposition wouldn't overturn the supreme court ruling.  it could be interpreted to mean that since the state government can't give out same-sex marriage licenses, but they have to treat gays and straights equally, they may not be able to give out opposite sex licenses either.

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« Reply #72 on: May 31, 2008, 02:24:32 AM »
Please....do share.

Where were you during the "was Jeezus gay" thread?


...I've always been very intrested in the propagation of theses viral meme complexes (religions), and through my studies I've stumbled across several of these recruitment heresies over the years.

For example, it's very easy to logically prove to a devout Christian that Satan created the world (the so-called Cathar or "Rex Mundi" heresy)... similarly you can prove logically to a devout Muslim that Islam itself is a construct of the devil... similarly arguments can be made that Jesus was actually the antichrist (the Mandean or Johannite heresy) etc etc (I won't go into these here).

These logical paradox heresies were used to recruit or "initiate" people into secretive sub cults (or parallel religions in the case of the Cathar/Bogomil heresy), sort of a parasitic vampirism between viral meme complexes.


Anyway, back to the point, proving Jesus was evil in five easy steps...


First, you set up your subject by asking the simple question: Is slavery wrong?

Evangelical: Yes.

Second, you compound their assertion: Is slavery ALWAYS morally wrong?

Evangelical: Yes, always.

Third: What about the  subjugation and oppression of women? Is that also always morally wrong?

Evangelical: Yes, ...always morally wrong.

Fourth: So slavery and the oppression of women are both morally indefensible as a moral absolute?

Evangelical: Yes.

Fifth: Well then Jesus must have been evil... he grew up in a culture in which women were property, a culture which was part of an empire (Rome) which was founded on slavery, yet he never once spoke out publicly against either evil?


While the Evangelical stutters through their ensuing cognitive dissonance (these arguments usually trigger the dismissal defensive response)... I like to hammer home my point with a litany of Jesus moral failings:

By tacit consent Jesus likewise condoned:
-forcible genital mutilation (circumcision)
-arranged marriages
-child molestation (girls were married at 13 in Jewish culture, often to men 10 or more years older)
-animal cruelty (animal sacrifice by slow bleeding)
-infanticide (unwanted children were often left exposed to the elements to die)
-child dispossession (all across the Roman world newborns could be disowned if their fathers didn't accept them)
-torture (standard practice among the Romans)
-capital punishment
-child sacrifice (many, many religions partook of this abomination: including early Judaism)
-forcible castration (eunuchs)

...a first century Jew living in Israel would have been all too familiar with all of these things, yet Jesus never spoke out against any of these things. Obviously it takes a man of low moral character to fail to criticize such egregious moral outrages.

But in case you want specific proof, recall the instance when Jesus healed the child of the Roman centurion (think that's right).... Jesus didn't ask anything of the Roman. So even when it would have cost him nothing but the effort of making an utterance, he didn't take the opportunity to call on a Roman indebted to him to free his slaves.

As a professional freeloader (he didn't work for three years) Jesus undoubtedly accepted a free meal in the Roman centurions house... couldn't he cast a moments thought to the suffering of those who prepared his meal and served him?

He also spoke out against widows remarrying: that whole married forever in heaven bullshit.

Which, in first century Palestine would condemn a widowed women and her children to a life of destitute poverty (this is akin to Ghandi's failure to renounce the caste system). This is just unforgivable, not simply because of the fundamental inequality involved, but because at the time it amounted to saying that an oppressed victim of child molestation (arranged marriage, raped continuously from 13 onwards) had no right to seek a love-match marriage, therefore condemning these poor women to lives of loneliness and poverty.


Come on Evangelical Christians... admit it... Jesus was a right bastard.



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Re: California and same sex "marriage"
« Reply #73 on: May 31, 2008, 05:00:18 AM »
The Luke having some fun this morning. These are all fine pub arguments but try them on, say, someone with some background in Jesuit logic. Can you say grease stain?   ;)    :D 

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« Reply #74 on: May 31, 2008, 05:20:38 AM »
The Luke having some fun this morning. These are all fine pub arguments but try them on, say, someone with some background in Jesuit logic. Can you say grease stain?   ;)    :D 

...I counter well educated believers with the plagiarism argument against the historicity of Jeebus... or illustrate the astrological metaphor for them. Usually pretty upsetting for the true believer, but then again... unthinking sheeple shouldn't be so intolerant of smarter people either.

It's funny when a fervent believer realizes that the atheist they are arguing with understands more about their religion than they do.


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