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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #75 on: May 17, 2011, 11:25:06 AM »
stephen swalking is one miserble sob,,ofcourse he say thee is no heaven...anyone who got such punishment from god to sit in that wheelchair of his looking like that would say there is no heaven... look at the quality of his life,,misereble fucktard,,

there is god ,,and there is heaven,, it is personal to each and every one,,the problem with people is they expect miricle every sunday,,they dont get it that miricle only happen when REALLY REALLY needed,, the interference is individual not general,,the miricles dont happen for a group ,,it is happening individualy ,,each and his and her god ,,

the older you become the better you understand it  ,,you never understand it completrely until you die,,when you die its too late to tell anyone,, thats the beauty in life and death ...you cant ruin it no matter how much part of generation nothingess you are,,

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #76 on: May 17, 2011, 11:25:21 AM »
most occidentals new "god" are anti depressants and TV nowadays.

I guess true anus dont want to reproduce cause he knows he doesnt have enough physical and personality traits that are well adapted to his environment.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2011, 11:25:49 AM »
You can`t agree that Evolution is just a random process.  Its not. Life does not arise and change randomly as Christians want you to believe.

Natural Selection drives evolution, thus ensuring that it is non-random.  

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2011, 11:25:59 AM »
Yeah that was sorta dumb of me to say he was right about random chance. I was more focused on the 'drive' part and didn't think it through.
Ah, I got ya now.  Just a little oversight was all.  

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #79 on: May 17, 2011, 11:28:09 AM »
stephen swalking is one miserble sob,,ofcourse he say thee is no heaven...anyone who got such punishment from god to sit in that wheelchair of his looking like that would say there is no heaven... look at the quality of his life,,misereble fucktard,,

there is god ,,and there is heaven,, it is personal to each and every one,,the problem with people is they expect miricle every sunday,,they dont get it that miricle only happen when REALLY REALLY needed,, the interference is individual not general,,the miricles dont happen for a group ,,it is happening individualy ,,each and his and her god ,,

the older you become the better you understand it  ,,you never understand it completrely until you die,,when you die its too late to tell anyone,, thats the beauty in life and death ...you cant ruin it no matter how much part of generation nothingess you are,,

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2011, 11:35:01 AM »
most occidentals "god" are anti depressants nowadays.

I guess true anus dont want to reproduce cause he knows he doesnt have enough physical and personality traits that are well adapted to his environment.

Just because something is genetic does not mean we can`t fix or change it.  We aren`t always shackled to our genetics as we have overcome and wiped out many diseases, found ways around our limitations through invention, birth control and so forth.

As the great Steven Pinker says, If my genes don`t like it, they can go jump in the lake.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2011, 11:37:43 AM »
All I know is that most Christians seem more at peace with themselves as opposed to atheists who just seem flat out miserable.

dumb people are always happy because they are too dumb to know better ;)

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #82 on: May 17, 2011, 11:38:29 AM »
most occidentals new "god" are anti depressants and TV nowadays.

I guess true anus dont want to reproduce cause he knows he doesnt have enough physical and personality traits that are well adapted to his environment.

You have a lot of learning to do.



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Steven Pinker: I don’t think evolution did design us to reproduce. Evolution designed us to enjoy sex and to love children. Well, our children, anyway. There is a fallacy that people easily slip into, especially when they hear explanations of evolution that use the metaphor of the "motives" of genes. It’s easy to confuse the metaphorical motives of the genes with the real motives of the whole person.

There’s some pedagogical advantage to putting yourself in the mind-set of the genes -- to think that genes are driven by this supposed desire to make copies of themselves. But it’s important not to confuse that with what people want to do. I don’t think most people want to make copies of themselves. The way the genes accomplish their metaphorical motive of making copies of themselves is wiring the brain to like sex and to love little children. In a world without contraception, that’s enough to get genes to make copies of themselves. If you change the world to one with contraception, and adoption, and many other things that sever these old cause-and-effect contingencies, then you can have the same desires but they do not necessarily result in babies.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #83 on: May 17, 2011, 11:39:58 AM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven


Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'
In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, the cosmologist shares his thoughts on death, M-theory, human purpose and our chance existence


 Sunday 15 May 2011 22.00 BST


Stephen Hawking dismisses belief in God in an exclusive interview with the Guardian.
A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story" for people afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.

In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts, Britain's most eminent scientist said there was nothing beyond the moment when the brain flickers for the final time.

Hawking, who was diagnosed with motor neurone disease at the age of 21, shares his thoughts on death, human purpose and our chance existence in an exclusive interview with the Guardian today.

The incurable illness was expected to kill Hawking within a few years of its symptoms arising, an outlook that turned the young scientist to Wagner, but ultimately led him to enjoy life more, he has said, despite the cloud hanging over his future.

"I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first," he said.

"I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark," he added.

Hawking's latest comments go beyond those laid out in his 2010 book, The Grand Design, in which he asserted that there is no need for a creator to explain the existence of the universe. The book provoked a backlash from some religious leaders, including the chief rabbi, Lord Sacks, who accused Hawking of committing an "elementary fallacy" of logic.

The 69-year-old physicist fell seriously ill after a lecture tour in the US in 2009 and was taken to Addenbrookes hospital in an episode that sparked grave concerns for his health. He has since returned to his Cambridge department as director of research.

The physicist's remarks draw a stark line between the use of God as a metaphor and the belief in an omniscient creator whose hands guide the workings of the cosmos.

In his bestselling 1988 book, A Brief History of Time, Hawking drew on the device so beloved of Einstein, when he described what it would mean for scientists to develop a "theory of everything" – a set of equations that described every particle and force in the entire universe. "It would be the ultimate triumph of human reason – for then we should know the mind of God," he wrote.

The book sold a reported 9 million copies and propelled the physicist to instant stardom. His fame has led to guest roles in The Simpsons, Star Trek: The Next Generation and Red Dwarf. One of his greatest achievements in physics is a theory that describes how black holes emit radiation.

In the interview, Hawking rejected the notion of life beyond death and emphasised the need to fulfil our potential on Earth by making good use of our lives. In answer to a question on how we should live, he said, simply: "We should seek the greatest value of our action."

In answering another, he wrote of the beauty of science, such as the exquisite double helix of DNA in biology, or the fundamental equations of physics.

Hawking responded to questions posed by the Guardian and a reader in advance of a lecture tomorrow at the Google Zeitgeist meeting in London, in which he will address the question: "Why are we here?"

In the talk, he will argue that tiny quantum fluctuations in the very early universe became the seeds from which galaxies, stars, and ultimately human life emerged. "Science predicts that many different kinds of universe will be spontaneously created out of nothing. It is a matter of chance which we are in," he said.

Hawking suggests that with modern space-based instruments, such as the European Space Agency's Planck mission, it may be possible to spot ancient fingerprints in the light left over from the earliest moments of the universe and work out how our own place in space came to be.

His talk will focus on M-theory, a broad mathematical framework that encompasses string theory, which is regarded by many physicists as the best hope yet of developing a theory of everything.

M-theory demands a universe with 11 dimensions, including a dimension of time and the three familiar spatial dimensions. The rest are curled up too small for us to see.

Evidence in support of M-theory might also come from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Cern, the European particle physics laboratory near Geneva.

One possibility predicted by M-theory is supersymmetry, an idea that says fundamental particles have heavy – and as yet undiscovered – twins, with curious names such as selectrons and squarks.

Confirmation of supersymmetry would be a shot in the arm for M-theory and help physicists explain how each force at work in the universe arose from one super-force at the dawn of time.

Another potential discovery at the LHC, that of the elusive Higgs boson, which is thought to give mass to elementary particles, might be less welcome to Hawking, who has a long-standing bet that the long-sought entity will never be found at the laboratory.

Hawking will join other speakers at the London event, including the chancellor, George Osborne, and the Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Science, truth and beauty: Hawking's answers

What is the value in knowing "Why are we here?"

The universe is governed by science. But science tells us that we can't solve the equations, directly in the abstract. We need to use the effective theory of Darwinian natural selection of those societies most likely to survive. We assign them higher value.

You've said there is no reason to invoke God to light the blue touchpaper. Is our existence all down to luck?

Science predicts that many different kinds of universe will be spontaneously created out of nothing. It is a matter of chance which we are in.

So here we are. What should we do?

We should seek the greatest value of our action.

You had a health scare and spent time in hospital in 2009. What, if anything, do you fear about death?

I have lived with the prospect of an early death for the last 49 years. I'm not afraid of death, but I'm in no hurry to die. I have so much I want to do first. I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.

What are the things you find most beautiful in science?

Science is beautiful when it makes simple explanations of phenomena or connections between different observations. Examples include the double helix in biology, and the fundamental equations of physics."

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #84 on: May 17, 2011, 11:41:24 AM »
Ahh yes, a man who's never been to Heaven, telling me it doesn't exist, sounds very logical, doesn't it?


how is that any different than a person of religion claiming there IS a heaven?appears to be one in the same.doesn't it?

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #85 on: May 17, 2011, 12:00:36 PM »
Anyone see any similarities between Stephen Hawking and Christopher Hitchens?

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #86 on: May 17, 2011, 12:02:40 PM »
one thing is sure true anus, with your nihilistic logic "jizzabelle" is going to need anti depressants while slowly becoming nevrotic if she stays with you and under your influence. Maybe she ll find a real man with a job and education, values to teach -when obviously you have none- who actually enjoys life and wants kids?

Also your dogs are only a way for you to dominate other living beings because you feel oppressed by the needs of growing up, and maybe even because you were -and still are- under the control of an incestuous -psychological incest- domination by your mother.

You ll end alone with dogs obviously. No woman is going to repress her biological needs all life long. And if she does... good luck living with such a depressed person in their 60s and beyond.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #87 on: May 17, 2011, 12:04:51 PM »
one thing is sure true anus, with your nihilistic logic "jizzabelle" is going to need anti depressants while slowly becoming nevrotic if she stays with you and under your influence. Maybe she ll find a real man with a job and education, values to teach -when obviously you have none- who actually enjoys life and wants kids?
Incorrect.  I absolutely adore life and everything contained therein.  Jezebelle also cannot stand kids and despises them which is a huge plus.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #88 on: May 17, 2011, 12:05:55 PM »
Anyone see any similarities between Stephen Hawking and Christopher Hitchens?

they're both highly intelligent pessimists.

bottom line is that there are plenty of things in this world we cannot explain.  neither religious people nor athiests "know" anything for sure.  We should believe whatever it is that allows us to have the best possible existence.

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« Reply #89 on: May 17, 2011, 12:06:48 PM »
Incorrect. I absolutely adore life and everything contained therein.  Jezebelle also cannot stand kids and despises them which is a huge plus.

yeah, it's quite obvious for everyone who ve read your posts on here since years now lol...

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« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2011, 12:07:53 PM »
they're both highly intelligent pessimists.

bottom line is that there are plenty of things in this world we cannot explain.  neither religious people nor athiests "know" anything for sure.  We should believe whatever it is that allows us to have the best possible existence.
as long as it doesnt hurt others people (decreases their odds of survival).

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #91 on: May 17, 2011, 12:10:50 PM »
as long as it doesnt hurt others people.

true that.   stringing people up because they believe differently is a no-no.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #92 on: May 17, 2011, 12:11:12 PM »
Besides that 240, my thought is they're both suffering for a reason!!

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #93 on: May 17, 2011, 12:11:18 PM »
Ignorant Hawking will be punished in 4 days when the (loving) god ends the world.. Repent and submit to mass hysteria.

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« Reply #94 on: May 17, 2011, 12:11:32 PM »
one thing is sure true anus, with your nihilistic logic "jizzabelle" is going to need anti depressants while slowly becoming nevrotic if she stays with you and under your influence. Maybe she ll find a real man with a job and education, values to teach -when obviously you have none- who actually enjoys life and wants kids?

Also your dogs are only a way for you to dominate other living beings because you feel oppressed by the needs of growing up, and maybe even because you were -and still are- under the control of an incestuous -psychological incest- with your mother.

You ll end alone with dogs obviously.
The dogs actually dominate and absolutely PWN our existence.  I treat them like royalty and I can assure you live in luxury that you will never know of or taste.  I would never punish my animals ever or even raise my voice to them as they are perfect specimens.  

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #95 on: May 17, 2011, 12:11:48 PM »
how is that any different than a person of religion claiming there IS a heaven?appears to be one in the same.doesn't it?
Quite true, but even shaman and the late great Edgar Cacey has said that there is a Great Beyond...before there was organized religion, shaman and various other "spiritual people" have stated that there is a afterlife, I firmly believe (and that science will prove) that it is just another dimension that sits along side of us...and that there is a spirit realm (hence the reaso why kids and "sensitives" can see entities, whereas closed minded people cannot)--now whether or not that good people all go to Heaven and bad people go to Hell, the jury is still out---it's based upon some mankind reward/punishment bullshit to keep people in line...
Many people who have done DTM and have access to astral plane have stated that "spirits" who are manevolent, benevolent, or in the middle---were the same types of people in life--which makes sense..

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« Reply #96 on: May 17, 2011, 12:14:00 PM »
one thing is sure true anus, with your nihilistic logic "jizzabelle" is going to need anti depressants while slowly becoming nevrotic if she stays with you and under your influence. Maybe she ll find a real man with a job and education, values to teach -when obviously you have none- who actually enjoys life and wants kids?

Also your dogs are only a way for you to dominate other living beings because you feel oppressed by the needs of growing up, and maybe even because you were -and still are- under the control of an incestuous -psychological incest- domination by your mother.

You ll end alone with dogs obviously. No woman is going to repress her biological needs all life long. And if she does... good luck living with such a depressed person in their 60s and beyond.
For instance, yesterday I bathed Darwin, the male, and I used 48 dollar shampoo and conditioner on him because he likes rose extract and the way it smells.  I bet you have never washed yourself with anything other than the "cheap stuff" at the store.

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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #97 on: May 17, 2011, 12:17:05 PM »
as long as it doesnt hurt others people (decreases their odds of survival).
Wrong.  You meant to say, infringe upon their rights in any way.

If we went by your rationale we could go around torturing and assaulting and stealing from whoever we wish as those things don`t necessarily decrease odds of survival.

Please edit correctly next time or educate yourself a bit.

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« Reply #98 on: May 17, 2011, 12:19:22 PM »
true that.   stringing people up because they believe differently is a no-no.
being an atheist is being opposed/ at war against religious people , this is the funny part of the whole thing.

And trying to convince religious people that they are morons, insulting them is doing exactly to them what they did to atheists. The never ending circle.

Fact is atheists are believers. They believe in science, and often in hedonism, materialism and a patchwork of philosophical (epicurian most of the time) psychological and psychanalatical principles they ve been exposed to randomly thru their life and contacts. Most of them cannot sustain a couple for life, often divorce, often sink into different kind of addictions, neglect their kids, are on anti depressants and are the ones injecting steroids, getting boob jobs and plastic surgery. To each his own religion right?

Human psychism is always based, built mainly on

-The core beliefs of the mother
-The beliefs of the father then other family members which add  and reinforce themselves to the original, fundamental ones coming from the mother and shape a more developed and balanced system of beliefs
-The beliefs and influences of the surrounding world / environment (friends, tv internet), which are themselves filtered by the initial core system of values learned from the main caregivers during childhood and adolescence

Basically what you think is what your memory and brain have stocked subconsciously since birth -and before-. Our brains contain thoughts, impulses, tendances, that go far beyond what we ve consciously learn. Basically there are patterns we re following that come from our grand parents , grand grand parents etc etc and so on and are stocked in our subconscious. Hence the repetition of patterns.


When parents are separated, there are various versions, beliefs, influences on key topics that fight each others constantly, no unity in the development of a kid's psychism, basically the conscious and subconscious beliefs in conflict of his genitors/main caregivers are stuck in his/her head forever. These kids and then adults often have low natural serotonin and dopamin levels in the brain and are pessimistic and cynical. Your consciousness and your subconsciousness are the sum of the subconscious and conscious of the people you ve been raised by mainly, and the people you met and interacted with. But the core of your consciousness and subconscious are preprogrammed by what your mother, family told you, and by what you inherited genetically and has been selected by evolution. We all follow predetermined patterns which are engraved in our brains. We have no other purpose but to follow these patterns and perpetuate them. Some will say it makes no sense, some will tell you that it's an opportunity to be happy or sad, to "feel".

People raised by caring parents who stayed together are happier, are designed by genetics and conditionnings to develop higher natural level of serotonin and dopamin in the brain.



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Re: Stephen Hawking:'There is NO heaven; it's a fairy story'- HAHHA
« Reply #99 on: May 17, 2011, 12:20:24 PM »
one thing is sure true anus, with your nihilistic logic "jizzabelle" is going to need anti depressants while slowly becoming nevrotic if she stays with you and under your influence. Maybe she ll find a real man with a job and education, values to teach -when obviously you have none- who actually enjoys life and wants kids?


you're always lecturing people on enjoying life

do you enjoy life?

maybe you do, but it doesn't come off that way around here

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