Trayvon Martin - Gun, Drugs, Fighting

[240 is Back]

lets see, he said he would meet the police at a certain area...going along your lines of what he said on the 911 call is accurate he would have had to head towards that area.

There is ZERO evidence to say that he continued to look for trayvon either 240, now in this country are we guilty until proven innocent?

There is plenty of evidence he was the man in pursuit, and zero evidence of him turning around. 

He shot the kid 2 blocks from where he said he'd meet them.  Had he returned via the same route, there's no way he runs into trayvon.

Your logic just doesn't make sense man.  At what point did he turn around?  DO you have any evidence?  Prosecutor has plenty of evidence of pursuit.  Where is the evidence of his retreat, or trayvon's pursuit?

[Dos Equis]

240 judges cases on his "facts"

Yep.  While ignoring the actual facts, like the police officer on the scene who said:  “While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”

[240 is Back]

Yep.  While ignoring the actual facts, like the police officer on the scene who said:  “While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman, I could observe that his back appeared to be wet and covered in grass, as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and back of his head.”

clear proof he got his ass kicked.

Still, he was the one doing the pursuit.  Trayvon was the one doing the retreat.

You have zero evidence to the contrary.

[Dos Equis]

I think this is the Florida self-defense law? 

JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
 
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
 
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.012.html

Assuming this is what they will rely on, the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did not have a reasonable belief that he had to use deadly force to prevent "great bodily harm to himself." 

[Dos Equis]

clear proof he got his ass kicked.

Still, he was the one doing the pursuit.  Trayvon was the one doing the retreat.

You have zero evidence to the contrary.

 

[240 is Back]

lol.  you've been doing that for 6 or 7 years, even time you can't argue.  When you can pwn me back with a point, you make that point.  When you dont have an answer, you roll the eyes.

[Dos Equis]

lol.  you've been doing that for 6 or 7 years, even time you can't argue.  When you can pwn me back with a point, you make that point.  When you dont have an answer, you roll the eyes.

When you make a stupid comment you may get an eyeroll. 

When I'm responding to a pathological liar, you may get an eyeroll. 

When I don't feel like correcting horse manure, again, you may get an eyeroll. 

Now run along.   

[240 is Back]

When you make a stupid comment you may get an eyeroll. 

When I'm responding to a pathological liar, you may get an eyeroll. 

When I don't feel like correcting horse manure, again, you may get an eyeroll. 

Now run along.   

Oh ok, great points.  We're just where we were in 2005 debates lol.

[tonymctones]

There is plenty of evidence he was the man in pursuit, and zero evidence of him turning around.  

He shot the kid 2 blocks from where he said he'd meet them.  Had he returned via the same route, there's no way he runs into trayvon.

Your logic just doesn't make sense man.  At what point did he turn around?  DO you have any evidence?  Prosecutor has plenty of evidence of pursuit.  Where is the evidence of his retreat, or trayvon's pursuit?

he was no longer in pursuit at the end of the 911 call 240, why do you keep leaving that out?

how do you know he had to return the same route?

the evidence that he was no longer following trayvon is the same that you have for that he did in the first place...

why do you accept as truth part of the 911 call but call the other part a lie?

[240 is Back]

he was no longer in pursuit at the end of the 911 call 240, why do you keep leaving that out?

Why do you keep making this assumption?   He couldn't see him at that moment.  There is no indication he turned around. 

If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit.  You said that.  He didnt.

[Shockwave]

Why do you keep making this assumption?   He couldn't see him at that moment.  There is no indication he turned around. 

If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit.  You said that.  He didnt.

You sound pretty pathetic broseph. Take a step back, take a deep breath and realize this case has literally zero impact on your life.

[LurkerNoMore]

Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different?  And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida  Stand Your Ground law.

[tonymctones]

Why do you keep making this assumption?   He couldn't see him at that moment.  There is no indication he turned around. 

If you want to make that assumption, you can - but he never says he's turning around or halting the pursuit.  You said that.  He didnt.

when he said he would meet the police at the pool house or whatever it was, WHATS THAT MEAN TO YOU 240?

does that mean he was still following trayvon?

why do you pick and choose what part of the 911 tape to believe and not to believe?

[tonymctones]

Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different?  And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida  Stand Your Ground law.

yup and he wouldnt be on trial right now either....food for thought.

it was a shitty situation that ended in a fucked up death, doesnt mean zimmerman broke the law.

[Shockwave]

Ever thought if Trayvon had a gun the outcome would be different?  And the sad thing is that he would have clearly been in the right according to Florida  Stand Your Ground law.

Agreed, but he didnt, and he decided to have a fist fight with an armed man, which ended in his death, and also made it self defense for Zimmerman.

[LurkerNoMore]

yup and he wouldnt be on trial right now either....food for thought.

it was a shitty situation that ended in a fucked up death, doesnt mean zimmerman broke the law.

Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person.  Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?

[Shockwave]

Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person.  Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?

No, but he was the one that got attacked by a man that he did nothing to except follow.

[tonymctones]

Mainly because Trayvon was the one being pursued by another person.  Not exactly the same case for Zimm is it?

I didnt know you had proof that zimmerman was still following trayvon.

at the end of the 911 call he had lost him and told the police he was going to meet them at the pool house in few minutes.

[LurkerNoMore]

The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him.  Something he had no business doing in the first place.

[Shockwave]

The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him.  Something he had no business doing in the first place.

Very true, but its still not illegal.

[tonymctones]

The fact that he "lost him" shows that he had indeed been following him.  Something he had no business doing in the first place.

It was never in dispute whether or not zimmerman briefly tried to follow trayvon.

what law does that break?

[240 is Back]

when he said he would meet the police at the pool house or whatever it was, WHATS THAT MEAN TO YOU 240?

If he was told the police would be there shortly, why did he keep chasing the person he believed to be on drugs and possibly armed "he has something in his waistband, he's putting his hand on it.."

He left the spot where he said they'd miss him.

Tony, he pursued Trayvon.  Trayvon tried to escape. 

[LurkerNoMore]

It was never in dispute whether or not zimmerman briefly tried to follow trayvon.

what law does that break?

Law of common sense?   You are some fat fuck that took martial arts classes just to beat your wife or whatever... well you got no business following someone.  Especially when the only reason you are doing so is because of some biased profiling you conducted. 

What law was Trayvon breaking again?

[LurkerNoMore]

Agreed, but he didnt, and he decided to have a fist fight with an armed man, which ended in his death, and also made it self defense for Zimmerman.

How did he know Zimm was armed?  Did Zimm announce that before the fight started?  Or was he fighting with someone that was stalking him for no reason?

[240 is Back]

What law was Trayvon breaking again?

according to zero evidence, Trayvon started a fight.