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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stan-lee-marvel-comics-legend-721450
The feisty writer, editor and publisher was responsible for such iconic characters as Spider-Man, the X-Men, Thor, Iron Man, Black Panther and the Fantastic Four — 'nuff said.
Stan Lee, the legendary writer, editor and publisher of Marvel Comics whose fantabulous but flawed creations made him a real-life superhero to comic book lovers everywhere, has died. He was 95.
Lee, who began in the business in 1939 and created or co-created Black Panther, Spider-Man, the X-Men, the Mighty Thor, Iron Man, the Fantastic Four, the Incredible Hulk, Daredevil and Ant-Man, among countless other characters, died early Monday morning at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, a source told The Hollywood Reporter.
Lee's final few years were tumultuous. After Joan, his wife of 69 years, died in July 2017, he sued executives at POW! Entertainment — a company he founded in 2001 to develop film, TV and video game properties — for $1 billion alleging fraud, then abruptly dropped the suit weeks later. He also sued his ex-business manager and filed for a restraining order against a man who had been handling his affairs. (Lee's estate is estimated to be worth as much as $70 million.) And in June 2018, it was revealed that the Los Angeles Police Department had been investigating reports of elder abuse against him.
On his own and through his work with frequent artist-writer collaborators Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko (who died in July) and others, Lee catapulted Marvel from a tiny venture into the world's No. 1 publisher of comic books and, later, a multimedia giant.
In 2009, The Walt Disney Co. bought Marvel Entertainment for $4 billion, and most of the top-grossing superhero films of all time — led by Avengers: Infinity War's $2.05 billion worldwide take earlier this year — have featured Marvel characters.
"I used to think what I did was not very important," he told the Chicago Tribune in April 2014. "People are building bridges and engaging in medical research, and here I was doing stories about fictional people who do extraordinary, crazy things and wear costumes. But I suppose I have come to realize that entertainment is not easily dismissed."
Lee's fame and influence as the face and figurehead of Marvel, even in his nonagenarian years, remained considerable.
Beginning in the 1960s, the irrepressible and feisty Lee punched up his Marvel superheroes with personality, not just power. Until then, comic book headliners like those of DC Comics were square and well-adjusted, but his heroes had human foibles and hang-ups; Peter Parker/Spider-Man, for example, fretted about his dandruff and was confused about dating. The evildoers were a mess of psychological complexity.
"His stories taught me that even superheroes like Spider-Man and the Incredible Hulk have ego deficiencies and girl problems and do not live in their macho fantasies 24 hours a day," Gene Simmons of Kiss said in a 1979 interview. "Through the honesty of guys like Spider-Man, I learned about the shades of gray in human nature."
(Kiss made it to the Marvel pages, and Lee had Simmons bleed into a vat of ink so the publisher could say the issues were printed with his blood.)
The Manhattan-born Lee wrote, art-directed and edited most of Marvel's series and newspaper strips. He also penned a monthly comics column, “Stan's Soapbox,” signing off with his signature phrase, “Excelsior!”
His way of doing things at Marvel was to brainstorm a story with an artist, then write a synopsis. After the artist drew the story panels, Lee filled in the word balloons and captions. The process became known as “The Marvel Method.”
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Lee collaborated with artist-writer Kirby on the Fantastic Four, Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Silver Surfer and X-Men. With artist-writer Ditko he created Spider-Man and the surgeon Doctor Strange, and with artist Bill Everett came up with the blind superhero Daredevil.
Such collaborations sometimes led to credit disputes: Lee and Ditko reportedly engaged in bitter fights, and both receive writing credit on the Spider-Man movies and TV shows. "I don't want anyone to think I treated Kirby or Ditko unfairly," he told Playboy magazine in April 2014. "I think we had a wonderful relationship. Their talent was incredible. But the things they wanted weren't in my power to give them."
Like any Marvel employee, Lee had no rights to the characters he helped create and received no royalties.
In the 1970s, Lee importantly helped push the boundaries on censorship in comics, delving into serious and topical subject matter in a medium that had become mindless, kid-friendly entertainment.
In 1954, the publication of psychologist Frederic Wertham's book Seduction of the Innocent had spurred calls for the government to regulate violence, sex, drug use, questioning of public authority figures, etc., in the comics as a way to curtail "juvenile delinquency." Wary publishers headed that off by forming the Comics Code Authority, a self-censoring body that while avoiding the heavy hand of Washington still wound up neutering adult interest in comics and stereotyping the medium as one only kids would enjoy.
Lee scripted banal scenarios with characters like Nellie the Nurse and Tessie the Typist, but in 1971, he inserted an anti-drug storyline into "The Amazing Spider-Man” in which Peter Parker's best friend Harry Osborn popped pills. Those issues, which did not carry the CCA "seal of approval" on the covers, became extremely popular, and later, the organization relaxed some of its guidelines.
Born Stanley Martin Lieber on Dec. 28, 1922, he grew up poor in Washington Heights, where his father, a Romanian immigrant, was a dress-cutter. A lover of adventure books and Errol Flynn movies, Lee graduated from DeWitt Clinton High School, joined the WPA Federal Theatre Project, where he appeared in a few stage shows, and wrote obituaries.
In 1939, Lee got a job as a gofer for $8 a week at Marvel predecessor Timely Comics. Two years later, for Kirby and Joe Simon's Captain America No. 3, he wrote a two-page story titled "The Traitor's Revenge!" that was used as text filler to qualify the company for the inexpensive magazine mailing rate. He used the pen name Stan Lee.
He was named interim editor at 19 by publisher Martin Goodman when the previous editor quit. In 1942, he enlisted in the Army and served in the Signal Corps, where he wrote manuals and training films with a group that included Oscar-winner Frank Capra, Pulitzer-winner William Saroyan and Theodor Geisel (aka Dr. Seuss). After the war, he returned to the publisher and served as the editor for decades.
Following DC Comics' lead with the Justice League, Lee and Kirby in November 1961 launched their own superhero team, the Fantastic Four, for the newly renamed Marvel Comics, and Hulk, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Daredevil and X-Men soon followed. The Avengers launched as its own title in September 1963.
Perhaps not surprisingly, Manhattan's high-literary culture vultures did not bestow its approval on how Lee was making a living. People would “avoid me like I had the plague. … Today, it's so different,” he once told The Washington Post.
Not everyone felt the same way, though. Lee recalled once being visiting in his New York office by Federico Fellini, who wanted to talk about nothing but Spider-Man.
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In 1972, Lee was named publisher and relinquished the Marvel editorial reins to spend all his time promoting the company. He moved to Los Angeles in 1980 to set up an animation studio and to build relationships in Hollywood. Lee purchased a home overlooking the Sunset Strip that was once owned by Jack Benny's announcer, Don Wilson.
Long before his Marvel characters made it to the movies, they appeared on television. An animated Spider-Man show (with a memorable theme song composed by Oscar winner Paul Francis Webster, of "The Shadow of Your Smile" fame, and Bob Harris) ran on ABC from 1967 to 1970. Bill Bixby played Dr. David Banner, who turns into a green monster (Lou Ferrigno) when he gets agitated, in the 1977-82 CBS drama The Incredible Hulk. And Pamela Anderson provided the voice of Stripperella, a risque animated Spike TV series that Lee wrote for in 2003-04.
Lee launched the internet-based Stan Lee Media in 1998, and the superhero creation, production and marketing studio went public a year later. However, when investigators uncovered illegal stock manipulation by his partners, the company filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in 2001. (Lee was never charged.)
In 2002, Lee published an autobiography, Excelsior! The Amazing Life of Stan Lee.
Survivors include a daughter, J.C., and younger brother Larry Lieber, a writer and artist for Marvel. Another daughter, Jan, died in infancy. His wife, Joan, was a hat model whom he married in 1947.
Like Alfred Hitchcock before him, the never-bashful Lee appeared in cameos in the Marvel movies, shown avoiding falling concrete, watering his lawn, delivering the mail, crashing a wedding, playing a security guard, etc.
In Spider-Man 3 (2007), he chats with Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker as they stop on a Times Square street to read news that the web-slinger will soon receive the key to the city. “You know," he says, "I guess one person can make a difference … 'nuff said.”
Duane Byrge and Borys Kit contributed to this report.
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Wow indielad, good timing on your visit. CIP
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Wow indielad, good timing on your visit. CIP
I was waiting to see if indielad was going to confirm this.
R.I.P. Stan, you made my childhood life better.
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Indie lad probably introduced him to getbig and the poor man stumbled upon the thread about freaks injecting stuff into their balls and he never recovered
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Damn, Lee....RIP....he owned DC Comics' ass for the last 18yrs.... ;D
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Excelsior :'( R.I.P Stan
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RIP to a legend
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NOW!!!, It's definitely the time for some sort of Acadamy Award acknowledgement!
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How much could he bench?
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How much could he bench?
One-Fiddy...
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RIP Stan the man. I used to love watching the cartoon "Spiderman and his Amazing Friends" back in the day.
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Read Indie-Lad's post earlier today and thought how happy I was for him to have had the opportunity to meet Stan Lee before he passed.
I always felt like he was speaking to me when I read his comics as a kid. I'm glad he got to see how his work was being translated to film (and got to be part of the films) before he left us.
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Yes, I'm in the last photo ever taken with Stan Lee. I'm immortalized forever with the two biggest comic legends ever. Last thing I did was hug Stan and he said "God Bless you John..." less than 48 hours later he died. It was bitter sweet.
My name is not Indie-Lad, it's John Cimino.
Excelsior.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11/12/roy-thomas-stan-lee-ready-to-leave-this-earth/
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Wasn’t some housekeeper of his making claims he jizzed some rank ball batter onto her face during baths or some shit?
RIP
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Yes, I'm in the last photo ever taken with Stan Lee. I'm immortalized forever with the two biggest comic legends ever. Last thing I did was hug Stan and he said "God Bless you John..." less than 48 hours later he died. It was bitter sweet.
My name is not Indie-Lad, it's John Cimino.
Excelsior.
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/11/12/roy-thomas-stan-lee-ready-to-leave-this-earth/
Thanks for sharing your pic John.
Stan Lee Rest in Peace
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Indie lad probably introduced him to getbig and the poor man stumbled upon the thread about freaks injecting stuff into their balls and he never recovered
Man I'm dying of laughter right now!
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#metoo
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Was he saved
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RIP
(https://image.ibb.co/db5FOV/stan-lee-marvel-hulk-Getty-Images-646395636-1120x640.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kSm0qA)
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RIP the Legend.
An inspiration to many growing up!
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I will never stop spreading the word.
https://www.cbr.com/roy-thomas-stan-lees-final-days/
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RIP.
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I`m a vintage Marvel comics collector and have thousands of older comics.
Lee was a veritable genius.
RIP
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Anyone with a background on the business side of comics want to weigh in on the SWJ or leftist Social Justice Warrior "movement" which has overtaken the mainstream comic industry(as well as universities, movies, news, tv, literature, advertising, etc...) and also give their take on their increasing outside-the-mainstream non-SJW competition like DarkStream, ComicArtistPro Secrets, etc.....
Below, leftist SJW attitude towards Stan Lee:
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Anyone with a background on the business side of comics want to weigh in on the SWJ or leftist Social Justice Warrior "movement" which has overtaken the mainstream comic industry(as well as universities, movies, news, tv, literature, advertising, etc...) and also give their take on their increasing outside-the-mainstream non-SJW competition like DarkStream, ComicArtistPro Secrets, etc.....
Below, leftist SJW attitude towards Stan Lee:
How inarticulate, baseless, and senseless...
It's like reading one of howard's posts.
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How inarticulate, baseless, and senseless...
It's like reading one of howard's posts.
I'm not familiar with you but can't see anything in your recent posts where we disagree politically, so whatever.... ::)
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I'm not familiar with you but can't see anything in your recent posts where we disagree politically, so whatever.... ::)
My post was in response to the SJW quotes you posted.
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Anyone with a background on the business side of comics want to weigh in on the SWJ or leftist Social Justice Warrior "movement" which has overtaken the mainstream comic industry(as well as universities, movies, news, tv, literature, advertising, etc...) and also give their take on their increasing outside-the-mainstream non-SJW competition like DarkStream, ComicArtistPro Secrets, etc.....
Below, leftist SJW attitude towards Stan Lee:
Leftists are horrible people
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Leftists are horrible people
Yes.
SJW's take it even a step further.
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:'(
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My post was in response to the SJW quotes you posted.
No problem, Montague.
The good news is that there are anti-SJW comic companies popping up that are competing successfully, gaining a following, and raising hundreds of thousands on crowd-funding websites like Indiegogo, for example. In response, SJWs complain and get Indiegogo to drop those companies' funding and, in Vox Day's(Darkstream comics) case, temporarily cause his comic company to lose around $600,000 in funding. Temporarily, because Vox Day has the means to, and is, starting an alternative to Indiegogo. While others, like the former Marvel artist behind 'ComicArtistPro Secrets' YT channel, who is also anti-SJW, is cowering and explaining himself, fearfully anticipating getting booted from Indiegogo as well, Vox Day of Darkstream comics is unbending and maneuvering around the bump in the road. The right is going to have to start their own entertainment, distribution, banking, social media(like Gab), domain registration companies, etc.... and even internet, if necessary, because the left wants total power and zero ideas heard, outside their own.
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No problem, Montague.
The good news is that there are anti-SJW comic companies popping up that are competing successfully, gaining a following, and raising hundreds of thousands on crowd-funding websites like Indiegogo, for example. In response, SJWs complain and get Indiegogo to drop those companies' funding and, in Vox Day's(Darkstream comics) case, temporarily cause his comic company to lose around $600,000 in funding. Temporarily, because Vox Day has the means to, and is, starting an alternative to Indiegogo. While others, like the former Marvel artist behind 'ComicArtistPro Secrets' YT channel, who is also anti-SJW, is cowering and explaining himself, fearfully anticipating getting booted from Indiegogo as well, Vox Day of Darkstream comics is unbending and maneuvering around the bump in the road. The right is going to have to start their own entertainment, distribution, banking, social media(like Gab), domain registration companies, etc.... and even internet, if necessary, because the left wants total power and zero ideas heard, outside their own.
Agreed on the right starting their own entertainment companies. A right wing comic hero would probably instantly be the most popular super hero because boys naturally want a strong, tough, non pc badass to emulate not some sjw pussy super hero.
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No problem, Montague.
The good news is that there are anti-SJW comic companies popping up that are competing successfully, gaining a following, and raising hundreds of thousands on crowd-funding websites like Indiegogo, for example. In response, SJWs complain and get Indiegogo to drop those companies' funding and, in Vox Day's(Darkstream comics) case, temporarily cause his comic company to lose around $600,000 in funding. Temporarily, because Vox Day has the means to, and is, starting an alternative to Indiegogo. While others, like the former Marvel artist behind 'ComicArtistPro Secrets' YT channel, who is also anti-SJW, is cowering and explaining himself, fearfully anticipating getting booted from Indiegogo as well, Vox Day of Darkstream comics is unbending and maneuvering around the bump in the road. The right is going to have to start their own entertainment, distribution, banking, social media(like Gab), domain registration companies, etc.... and even internet, if necessary, because the left wants total power and zero ideas heard, outside their own.
I concur, good Sir!!
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Check out the full story here.
Roy and I get interviewed for SYFY.
Good stuff.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/marvel-legend-roy-thomas-visited-stan-lee-days-before-his-death-heres-what-happened?fbclid=IwAR23e6FBfnpiyZm3uDEYQ9h13nz7TUUvWn4ynqQTiiZp0VgD7ZI5GSQ34ts
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Anyone with a background on the business side of comics want to weigh in on the SWJ or leftist Social Justice Warrior "movement" which has overtaken the mainstream comic industry(as well as universities, movies, news, tv, literature, advertising, etc...) and also give their take on their increasing outside-the-mainstream non-SJW competition like DarkStream, ComicArtistPro Secrets, etc.....
Below, leftist SJW attitude towards Stan Lee:
SJWs fold faster than a napkin when you hit back at them. They only get away with this behavior because most of us don't care to be bothered with their tantrums. However when it goes up a notch- to where the basic rights afforded by the Constitution become threatened, then we can ignore them no longer.
You can only turn the other cheek so much before you realize that empowers these cockroaches. Stan Lee made superheroes that made us all feel good about defeating evil. No surprise the leftists hate that. It is the tolerance of their evil that allows them to succeed.
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I concur, good Sir!!
Thank you, fellow good Sir.
SJWs fold faster than a napkin when you hit back at them. They only get away with this behavior because most of us don't care to be bothered with their tantrums. However when it goes up a notch- to where the basic rights afforded by the Constitution become threatened, then we can ignore them no longer.
You can only turn the other cheek so much before you realize that empowers these cockroaches. Stan Lee made superheroes that made us all feel good about defeating evil. No surprise the leftists hate that. It is the tolerance of their evil that allows them to succeed.
The SJWs are running Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, news, etc.... Youtube rival Bitchute was de-platformed yesterday from Paypal by SJWs petitioning Paypal and will now have to find an alternate bank to process payments(like Alex Jones and others had to). Twitter rival Gab.com got booted off of its web hosting provider Godaddy due to SJW "outrage" that the Pittsburgh shooter posted on Gab. Meanwhile, the Thousand Oaks shooter was literally on Instagram during his shooting and no one calls for Instagram to be de-platformed. A BleedingCool.com writer, a website Indie-lad writes for, fired another writer for even interviewing Vox Day, a comic publishing rival to the PC mainstream comic industry. The right is literally going to have to building their own entertainment, social media, distribution, banking, and everything else. Entertainment is now blatant unapologetic leftist propaganda and YET non-globalism is STILL gaining steam with Trump and other new leaders. Imagine if the propaganda media/news/everything-else wasn't a monopoly.
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I`m a vintage Marvel comics collector and have thousands of older comics.
Does this mean you collect very old comics..?
Or that you are a very old collector of comics..? ;)
(Sorry man, couldn't resist ;D)
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Legend still lives on...
http://newravel.com/pop-culture/celebrities/stan-lee-emotional-words-protege/?fbclid=IwAR1ylYoz0XlKsBLFt23orlzLv7tGAHvdR4j37ulmJhXmw3Md0YKRlU39O1Q
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I met him many years ago at a Comic Con type event. Very nice man, very humble and funny. Ran into him at the hotel bar later that night while he was waiting for his table in the restaurant. I asked him if there were any Marvel characters he regretted and he said he never cared for Dazzler and ROM Spacenight, that she looked like a porn chic about to run her first gang bang. (his words). He also said that Galactus had the most hideous head dress he ever saw. And that he never did understand the "fold over" boots that Captain America, Hawkeye, Taskmaster wore.
He also talked about the period he was most frustrated when there was no new characters being developed, that instead everyone seemed to be just duplicating current characters. Like Venom, then Carnage, then several other symbiotes. All the different "goblins". Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Demogoblin, Various Hulks, etc..
I asked him which DC character he thought was the lamest and he laughed and said Orion. He said the lamest part about him was that thing he flew around on. Said it looked like grandpa's walker.
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I met him many years ago at a Comic Con type event. Very nice man, very humble and funny. Ran into him at the hotel bar later that night while he was waiting for his table in the restaurant. I asked him if there were any Marvel characters he regretted and he said he never cared for Dazzler and ROM Spacenight, that she looked like a porn chic about to run her first gang bang. (his words). He also said that Galactus had the most hideous head dress he ever saw. And that he never did understand the "fold over" boots that Captain America, Hawkeye, Taskmaster wore.
He also talked about the period he was most frustrated when there was no new characters being developed, that instead everyone seemed to be just duplicating current characters. Like Venom, then Carnage, then several other symbiotes. All the different "goblins". Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Demogoblin, Various Hulks, etc..
I asked him which DC character he thought was the lamest and he laughed and said Orion. He said the lamest part about him was that thing he flew around on. Said it looked like grandpa's walker.
LOL great post!
Agree with ROM Spacenight, Orions grandpa's walker and the duplicates/clones.
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He also stated that both Marvel and DC seemed to reuse the same back stories for characters much too often too. and in both Marvel and DC too many hero's were millionaires in the beginning. (Wasp, Stark, Batman, Green Arrow, Iron Fist, etc.. with Black Panther being the richest of them all and Stark/Batman in a very distant second place) Marvel had more hero's backstory involved in scientific mishaps - nature based - (Spiderman, Hulk, The Lizard, Capt. America, etc..) because it made more sense that a freak accident would give you better powers than anything you could build or purchase with money. Marvel also had more genius level scientist on board as well. T'Challa, Reed, Doom, Pym, etc..
Speaking of Batman, he said that Batman/Punisher/Deadpool was really the only heros that should ever be drawn with an utility belt or storage pouches on the costume. (Punisher and 'Pool simply because it makes sense that is where they would carry spare ammo.) He said "how many time have you seen Captain America remove something from his pouch?"
He said the biggest compliment DC ever paid him was by not creating a character along the lines of Spiderman. Even though Marvel has created characters that were a blatant rip off of Superman (Hyperion, Sentry). He said that they never caught on because Marvel attempted to overcome Superman's flaw with them. He said Superman's biggest flaw was that he was too perfect. Other than magic, some forms of mind control and Krptonite, he had no real weakness. He said "how do you create suspense in readers with a character that you know can't be hurt or defeated?"
He even admitted that Superman could beat Hulk in a fight. He said it were a contest of lifting heavy objects, maybe Hulk would win if he reached a level of rage he has never approached. But in a throw down fight, Superman would win easily by simply flying Hulk up and throwing him into space. He said a more thrilling match up would be Shazam vs Thor.
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Yes they screwed up by making Superman too powerful. He was actually much more human like and weaker at the start able to leap tall buildings in a single bound but couldn't fly. When they made him too awesome it painted them in a corner where they had to create super villains OR just create so much Kryptonite (supposedly the most rare element in the universe)that ever villain had access to it.
Loved comic books growing up especially Marvel but when I turned 14 I started using my money to buy bodybuilding mags instead of comics. I thought those bodybuilders were real life super heroes. ::)