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has anyone here used active release therapy for shoudler problems?
any experiences to share?
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IMO and experience, it is a terrible drug. It actually made me feel like shooting myself or stabbing myself. Horrible drug that did nothing for my medical condition at the time, and it made me insane. .. and not good fun cool insane.
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Rob, have you tried massage?
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Rob, have you tried massage yet?
Are you offering? I think he would prefer a happy ending from you. ;D
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Side effects of prednisolone and other corticosteroids range from mild annoyances to serious irreversible damage. Side effects include fluid retention, weight gain, high blood pressure, potassium loss, headache, muscle weakness, puffiness of and hair growth on the face, thinning and easy bruising of the skin, glaucoma, cataracts, peptic ulceration, worsening of diabetes, irregular menses, growth retardation in children, convulsions, and psychic disturbances. Psychic disturbances can include depression, euphoria, insomnia, mood swings, personality changes, and even psychotic behavior.
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I'm don't know much about Prednisolone, but it's best to stay away from all drugs if at all possible.
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Rob, have you tried massage?
you know, it's been maybe 32 days since it happened. it was too sensitive at first. after 2 weeks it was good enough to use again. Went to gym and had a horrible time.
Took 2 more weeks off. Started back a few days ago. Still strong, moved the 50s in military press with no problem.
Sore now. I dont know whether I should be lifting or not. Doc says don't lift at all, but i was living miserable, and noticing a million other aches and pains. I'm happy as a pig in crap to be back... back it hurts again.
Tonight I got a massage for the first time. It was awesome for about 30 minutes, then the pain creeped back.
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I'm don't know much about Prednisolone, but it's best to stay away from all drugs if at all possible.
i've only allowed myself to take 2-3 of the 200 mg advil each day. I'm using getbig to give me really good reasons NOT to take the predisolone. I hate most medicines and would hate to be addicted so some like many in the fmaily are.
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Are you offering? I think he would prefer a happy ending from you. ;D
er..no!!
Shoulder tendonitis
What is shoulder tendonitis?
Shoulder tendonitis is the inflammation, irritation and swelling of the tendons in the rotator cuff and bicep. Shoulder tendonitis is usually caused by the pinching of the nerve in the shoulder or from repetitive strain (RS) on the shoulder joint.
This particular type of tendonitis is common amongst sports and activities that require the hand to be moved above the head. These activities include weight llifting and bodybuilding, swimming, rock climbing, swimming and baseball.
Shoulder tendonitis often starts as just a slight pain in the shoulder or upper bicep but can develop into a pain that will encompass the entire shoulder/upper arm area. It's a condition that can be easily treated but in serious cases may become permanent.
Locations of shoulder tendonitis
There are two areas of the shoulder where tendonitis may develop. The rotator cuff andwhere the bicep tendon meets the shoulder. You can see these areas marked with an "X" in the shoulder anatomy diagram above.
Shoulder tendonitis symptoms
Early signs of shoulder tendonitis include a slight pain in the shoulder/upper bicep area when you move your arm up and down. This pain may only occur when the shoulder is under pressure but may still occur at anytime of the day or night.
As the tendonits develops the pain will get more severe and spread from the area where the shoulder meets the arm to all over the rotator cuff. The shoulder will often feel tender and in more severe cases some swelling may be experienced. It's always best to consult your GP to correctly diagnose shoulder tendonitis.
How is shoulder tendonitis diagnosed?
If you think you may have shoulder tendonitis you should stop doing any activities that may stress the shoulder and see your local doctor. Your doctor will ask you for your complete medical history and give you a full body physical examination. If required x-rays may be taken of the affected area. None of these procedures are painful in any way.
A few ways you can help prevent shoulder tendonitis
There are a few ways you can help prevent shoulder tendonitis occuring. First, you need to warm up and stretch the shoulder area before any sport or activity that is going to place strain on your shoulder tendons. Warm ups should be about 5-10 minutes in length. Second, you can be proactive by strengthening the tendons and shoulder muscles before tendonitis develops. This can be done with lingt shoulder exercises performed every few days. For more techniques on how to prevent tendonitis see our tendonitis prevention page.
Treatment for shoulder tendonitis
The treatment that you may recieve for shoulder tendonitis will depend on a variety of factors. These may include:
Your age and physical condition
How advanced the tendonitis is
Your tolerance to medications
How well you need it to heal (for professional sports people)
Your treatment preference
Depending on the conditions mentioned above, some of the following treatment methods may be used. Now, these are in order from light tendonitis to very severe tendonitis.
Rest of the affected shoulder
Over the counter anti-inflammatory medications
Ice and light massage
Shoulder strength training (with very light weights)
Ultrasound therapy
Steriod injections (used rarely)
Shoulder surgery
Your doctor may decide to use one or more of these treatments depending on the factors mentioned above. In most cases shoulder tendonitis can be effectively diagnosed and treated without the need for medication or surgery.
The key to treating your shoulder tendonitis is rest. As soon as you feel tendonitis symptoms you should stop the activity and rest your shoulder for at least three weeks. You can find more information on out tendonitis treatment
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I hate most medicines and would hate to be addicted so some like many in the fmaily are.
same :-\
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you know, it's been maybe 32 days since it happened. it was too sensitive at first. after 2 weeks it was good enough to use again. Went to gym and had a horrible time.
Took 2 more weeks off. Started back a few days ago. Still strong, moved the 50s in military press with no problem.
Sore now. I dont know whether I should be lifting or not. Doc says don't lift at all, but i was living miserable, and noticing a million other aches and pains. I'm happy as a pig in crap to be back... back it hurts again.
Tonight I got a massage for the first time. It was awesome for about 30 minutes, then the pain creeped back.
Do you remember injuring your shoulder?
Pain to infection or no?
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I advocate and encourage the use of, cocaine, heroin, meth, Anadrol, Dianabol, Cypianate, Sustanon 250, Stenox, LSD, PCP, GHB, MDMA, grass, Oxycontin, Vicodin, Valium, Anavar, Deca Durabolin, Hash, Teena, crack cocaine, Nitrous Oxide, and cough syrup by-the-bottle, but NEVER use Prednisolone. Never.
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Do you remember injuring your shoulder?
Pain to infection or no?
I did front squats and let the bar sit on that delt. Hurt like crazy.
3 days later, i felt a POP in the delt during seated military presses.
dropped the weight, and it hurt more and more over the next 3 days.
I went to doc. Said to rest it. I did rest it for 2 weeks, and it was juuuuust about back to normal. All the while, i'm worrying nonstop about it.
So yeah, I overdid it when I came back.
Monday was 90 minutes of shoulder exercises, overjoyed that I was still strong at it.
Tuesday was leg day (complete with that hack machine that leaves big grooves in shoulder) followed by 4 hours flexed shoulder playing bass at night show.
Wed was a whole lotta soreness. I'm gonna listen now and just not lift chest, back, or shoulders for a few weeks. Abs, legs, and maybe biceps only?
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Rob go to vitamin world or shop and buy yourself a big bottle of omega 3's 1000 mg's per capsule. Take 3 per serving, 3-4 times a day with meals and give it a month before you make a decision if it works or not.
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"Prescription for Nutritional Healing" suggests Calceum and Magniseium, Free-Form Amine Acid Complex, Multienzyme complex with pancreatin, Proteolytic enzymes, Vitamin A, Natural Beta-Carotene, selenium and Vitamin E.
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Rob go to vitamin world or shop and buy yourself a big bottle of omega 3's 1000 mg's per capsule. Take 3 per serving, 3-4 times a day with meals and give it a month before you make a decision if it works or not.
i try to take 1 or 2 each day for heart health. Are they really that useful for swelling reduction, pain?
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My man, do not use that drug. You will regret it. I am supremely qualified to make that statement.
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I did front squats and let the bar sit on that delt. Hurt like crazy.
3 days later, i felt a POP in the delt during seated military presses.
dropped the weight, and it hurt more and more over the next 3 days.
I went to doc. Said to rest it. I did rest it for 2 weeks, and it was juuuuust about back to normal. All the while, i'm worrying nonstop about it.
So yeah, I overdid it when I came back.
Monday was 90 minutes of shoulder exercises, overjoyed that I was still strong at it.
Tuesday was leg day (complete with that hack machine that leaves big grooves in shoulder) followed by 4 hours flexed shoulder playing bass at night show.
Wed was a whole lotta soreness. I'm gonna listen now and just not lift chest, back, or shoulders for a few weeks. Abs, legs, and maybe biceps only?
Bi's are tied closely to shoulders. I would only do preachers for bi's, luckily there are at least 10 different preacher variations I can think of off the top of my head, which should still offer alot of variety for you while protecting the injured area.
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i try to take 1 or 2 each day for heart health. Are they really that useful for swelling reduction, pain?
they work great as an anti-inflammatory.
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"Prescription for Nutritional Healing" suggests Calceum and Magniseium, Free-Form Amine Acid Complex, Multienzyme complex with pancreatin, Proteolytic enzymes, Vitamin A, Natural Beta-Carotene, selenium and Vitamin E.
i just went thru my supps. I try to take a few of each, every week but never that disciplined.
I'm looking at Glucosamine Chondrotin MSM (what elderly take for joints)
fish oil
Calcium/mag/zinc
BCAA cpsule
Vit C, E, multi
I'm thinking of just loading up for a few days, letting that shoulder rest 100%, and praying :)
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My man, do not use that drug. You will regret it. I am supremely qualified to make that statement.
I respect your experience in the matter. I'm looking at the bottle of them and you have me scared shitless of them!
they work great as an anti-inflammatory.
I had no clue. I knew heart health. I googled it, you are 100% correct. I'm loading up baby.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=fish+oil+anti-inflammatory&fp=1
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I did front squats and let the bar sit on that delt. Hurt like crazy.
3 days later, i felt a POP in the delt during seated military presses.
dropped the weight, and it hurt more and more over the next 3 days.
I went to doc. Said to rest it. I did rest it for 2 weeks, and it was juuuuust about back to normal. All the while, i'm worrying nonstop about it.
So yeah, I overdid it when I came back.
Monday was 90 minutes of shoulder exercises, overjoyed that I was still strong at it.
Tuesday was leg day (complete with that hack machine that leaves big grooves in shoulder) followed by 4 hours flexed shoulder playing bass at night show.
Wed was a whole lotta soreness. I'm gonna listen now and just not lift chest, back, or shoulders for a few weeks. Abs, legs, and maybe biceps only?
You might even need to be careful w/biceps. Not sure.
Did you ice it?
90 min. of shoulders is overdoing it anytime imo! Maybe you took some good rests between sets :)
Do you think it would help to use a pad or towel under the bar for front squats in the future (also under the shoulder pads on the hack machine)?
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I've felt invincible forever in the weight room. i'm so cautious about everything now. Timid almost. I didn't even think about the hack machine pad, I know that one now. I'll never do front squats again. Ice made it hurt bad. Cold makes it hurt back. Hot water feels amazing on it.
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Off topic, but your thread title reminds me of one of those 1950's Government projector movies. ;D
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I respect your experience in the matter. I'm looking at the bottle of them and you have me scared shitless of them!
I had no clue. I knew heart health. I googled it, you are 100% correct. I'm loading up baby.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=fish+oil+anti-inflammatory&fp=1
Stick with omega 3 only dont get the capsules that contain omega 3 and 6 or 3, 6 and 9. If the ratio of 3 to 6 is too high it can actually lead to inflammation. We tend to need more 3 then we get.
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I've felt invincible forever in the weight room. i'm so cautious about everything now. Timid almost.
Seems you'll come out of that some after a little time goes by.
It may be kind of like how we drive around w/o thinking about it and then when we get in a wreck we feel like we have to be so cautious! That feeling only lasts a few weeks and then we're back to speeding and running stop signs.
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i just went thru my supps. I try to take a few of each, every week but never that disciplined.
I'm looking at Glucosamine Chondrotin MSM (what elderly take for joints)
fish oil
Calcium/mag/zinc
BCAA cpsule
Vit C, E, multi
I'm thinking of just loading up for a few days, letting that shoulder rest 100%, and praying :)
None of that will help you cure the problem you have, 240 - those supplements will make less than 5% difference. They help your body in the long term and even then, only if you are deficient in the nutrients they provide. Taking more of them if you are already getting enough of them through your diet won't do much.
Check these links out
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/question_of_strength_18
http://www.activerelease.com/
You need some kind of physical therapy like the stuff in the links, as opposed to drugs that will bring the inflammation down, but won't cure the problem behind it. Don't know if they have a practitioner in your area, but if they do, you should consider doing it rather than take the drug. Good luck and don't push the shoulder or go heavy on anything you do, cause they are involved in stabilizing pretty much any movement you can think of.
Oh, and Milos had a severe impingement problem with his shoulders once and got it completely cured using this therapy, which he chose over alternatives such as surgery and drugs. It works.
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I did a 5 day course of prednisolone because my throat swelled up for unknown reason. I felt amazing, and for the first time in years my body didn't hurt when training. Short lived effect obviously.
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I was on Prednisone (pretty much the same thing as prednisolone) for the last year for my Sarcoidosis. I am finally off of it. Although there are a lot of side effects that aren't good, it has been said to be the best medication for the ailment it's prescribed for.
Prednisone and prednisolone are members of the glucocorticoid class of hormones. This means they are steroids but, unlike the anabolic steroids that we hear about regarding sports medicine, these are "catabolic" steroids. Instead of building the body up, they are designed to break down stored resources (fats, sugars and proteins) so that they may be used as fuels in times of stress. Cortisone would be an example of a related hormone with which most people are familiar. Glucocorticoids hormones are produced naturally by the adrenal glands.
We do not use the glucocorticoids for their influences on glucose and protein metabolism; we use them because they are also the most broadly anti-inflammatory medications that we have. Their uses fit into several groups:
Anti-inflammatory (especially for joint pain and itchy skin)
Immune-suppression (treatment of conditions where the immune system is destructively hyperactive. Higher doses are required to actually suppress the immune system)
Cancer Chemotherapy (especially in the treatment of lymphoma)
Central Nervous System Disorders (usually after trauma or after a disc episode to relieve swelling in the brain or spinal cord)
Shock (steroids seem to help improve circulation)
Blood Calcium Reduction (in medical conditions where blood calcium is dangerously high treatment is needed to reduce levels to normal)
Prednisone is activated by the patient's liver into Prednisolone.
Prednisolone may be administered in tablet form or produced by the body from prednisone. These medications are considered to be interchangeable.
SIDE EFFECTS
Prednisone & prednsolone have activity in the kidney leading to the conservation of salt. This creates the classical side effects of prednisone/prednisolone use: excessive thirst and excessive urination. If this occurs, another steroid can be selected or the predisone/prednisolone dose can be dropped.
Prednisone/prednisolone are commonly used for several weeks or even months at a time to get a chronic process under control. It is important that the dose be tapered to an every other day schedule once the condition is controlled. The reason for this is that body will perceive these hormones and not produce any of its own. In time, the adrenal glands will atrophy so that when the medication is discontinued, the patient will be unable to respond to any stressful situation. An actual circulatory crisis can result. By using the medication every other day, this allows the body's own adrenal glands to remain active.
Any latent infections can be unmasked by prednisone use. (Feline upper respiratory infections would be a classical example. When a cat recovers clinically, the infection simply goes dormant. Glucocorticoid use could bring the infection out again.)
Glucocorticoid hormone use can be irritating to the stomach at higher doses.
INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER DRUGS
Glucocorticoid hormones should not be used in combination with medications of the NSAID class (ie aspirin, Rimadyl, phenylbutazone etc.) as the combination of these medications could lead to bleeding in the stomach or intestine. Ulceration could occur.
CONCERNS AND CAUTIONS
Prednisone and prednisolone are considered to be intermediate acting steroids, meaning that a dose lasts about a day or a day and a half. After two weeks or more of use, it is important to taper the dose to an every other day schedule so as to keep the body's own cortisone sources able and healthy.
The same salt retention that accounts for the excessive thirst and urination may also be a problem for heart failure patients or other patients who require sodium restriction.
Diabetic patients should never take this medication
unless there is a life-threatening reason why they must.
Glucocorticoid hormones can cause abortion in pregnant patients.
They should not be used in pregnancy.
Prednisone/Prednisolone use is likely to change liver enzyme blood testing and interfere with testing for thyroid diseases.
When prednisone/prednisolone is used routinely, serious side effects would not be expected. When doses become immune-suppressive (higher doses) or use becomes "chronic" (longer than 4 months at an every other day schedule), the side effects and concerns associated become different. In these cases, monitoring tests may be recommended or, if possible, another therapy may be selected.
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Try some Deca Durabolin. ;D ;D
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Stick with omega 3 only dont get the capsules that contain omega 3 and 6 or 3, 6 and 9. If the ratio of 3 to 6 is too high it can actually lead to inflammation. We tend to need more 3 then we get.
its the opposite, more 6 is inflammatory and we eat to much. Fish oil is omega three.
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1-2 weeks ok
long term usage, you will go psycho
and not know it, get moon face and acne, the kind you
cant get rid of.
Get a kenalog injection at the site, Much Much
better on your system, and more effective.
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i've only allowed myself to take 2-3 of the 200 mg advil each day. I'm using getbig to give me really good reasons NOT to take the predisolone. I hate most medicines and would hate to be addicted so some like many in the fmaily are.
I've thought that for the ibuprofen to be effective, you have to keep it in your system. I took 600-800mg 3x a day.
And FWIW, I strained my SI joint once during squats, and was on Prednisone for a week. It felt great for me.
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its the opposite, more 6 is inflammatory and we eat to much. Fish oil is omega three.
Exactly, I didnt say which one was the culprit but if you read the post YOU would know I told him to ONLY take Omega 3, thanks though!!!
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I've thought that for the ibuprofen to be effective, you have to keep it in your system. I took 600-800mg 3x a day.
And FWIW, I strained my SI joint once during squats, and was on Prednisone for a week. It felt great for me.
Listen 240, 800mg of perscription Ibuprofen is stronger than 4 advil 200mg. So get a script, Ive spoken to a dr thats an expert in drug chemistry and effects. I take 1 800mg 3x a day
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1-2 weeks ok
long term usage, you will go psycho
and not know it, get moon face and acne, the kind you
cant get rid of.
Get a kenalog injection at the site, Much Much
better on your system, and more effective.
My experience with Predisone was a nightmare (made me psychotic/flipping out breaking shit/fighting/crying uncontrollably)
didn't know what was wrong with me until i figured out it was the predisone (once i came off it/stopped it i was fine)
chainsaw hit the nail right on the head IMO
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My experience with Predisone was a nightmare (made me psychotic/flipping out breaking shit/fighting/crying uncontrollably)
didn't know what was wrong with me until i figured out it was the predisone (once i came off it/stopped it i was fine)
chainsaw hit the nail right on the head IMO
In response to your post Mike, I became paranoid, visiting my GF at work and having
the Pepperdine police have to throw me off the university, I was abusive, and man thats
not like me. This was 15 yrs ago, and even when my dr. told my GF what was happening,
she couldn't comprehend, and my relationship ended.
This is really serious, Roid rage is really cortico steroid rage.
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In response to your post Mike, I became paranoid, visiting my GF at work and having
the Pepperdine police have to throw me off the university, I was abusive, and man thats
not like me. This was 15 yrs ago, and even when my dr. told my GF what was happening,
she couldn't comprehend, and my relationship ended.
This is really serious, Roid rage is really cortico steroid rage.
Jesus.................i trashed my ex-gf's apt (she wanted to call the cops/when we sat down and thought about anything that was "different" we both came up with the Predisone)
im normally pretty mellow and "chill" of a guy
nasty drug imo!
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Still strong, moved the 50s in military press with no problem.
50lb military presses!!! WHAT A BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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50lb military presses!!! WHAT A BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i'm a scary dude, let's be honest
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i'm a scary dude, let's be honest
I'm just filling in for Squadfather till he gets back
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Jesus.................i trashed my ex-gf's apt (she wanted to call the cops/when we sat down and thought about anything that was "different" we both came up with the Predisone)
im normally pretty mellow and "chill" of a guy
nasty drug imo!
I hear ya bro. I hope 240 heeds our warning!!
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thanks foir the PM chainsaw... i am certianly scared of this drug now. stacking up my advil, fish oil, glucoasmine, aminos... got myself a sling today... and just going to give this shoulder a few weeks with no activity aside from typing and a bit of guitar playing when required.
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doc tells me i have bursitis, or tendonitis in my shoulder.
prednisolone is being considered.
Anyone use it before? Good, bad, etc? Side effects? thanks!
Go to http://www.activerelease.com/ put your zip code in the provider search bar, find a provider in your area and get in there, it takes about 6 visits but you'll start to feel better and heal. Warning - the sessions can be painful but WELL worth it.
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Go to http://www.activerelease.com/ put your zip code in the provider search bar, find a provider in your area and get in there, it takes about 6 visits but you'll start to feel better and heal. Warning - the sessions can be painful but WELL worth it.
Max your speaking of injectiions correct? An orthopedic dr can do it as well.
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Go to http://www.activerelease.com/ put your zip code in the provider search bar, find a provider in your area and get in there, it takes about 6 visits but you'll start to feel better and heal. Warning - the sessions can be painful but WELL worth it.
Exactly what I said before. 240, it's your call cause it's your body, but if you want a permanent cure for the underlying problem rather than a temporary solution for the symptoms using a drug that is going to do you no good, then you should get the active release therapy. It will take less than a month, but after that, your shoulders will be 100% and you can get on with your life. Taking the drug isn't going to help you in the long run and after it's run it's course, you are going to be older and still stuck with the same problem you had originally.
Praying and supplementing with OTC stuff like Glucosamine and fish oil isn't going to do jack shit. If you don't believe me or Max Rep, PM Milos, who once got that treatment and got his shoulders completely restored in under 3 weeks.
Max your speaking of injectiions correct? An orthopedic dr can do it as well.
It's not an injection. It's very similar to a deep tissue massage. Doesn't involve any drugs.
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Just summing it up. Don't take it....you will get fat & kind of crazy!
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thanks foir the PM chainsaw... i am certianly scared of this drug now. stacking up my advil, fish oil, glucoasmine, aminos... got myself a sling today... and just going to give this shoulder a few weeks with no activity aside from typing and a bit of guitar playing when required.
Im glad to hear bro.
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Go to http://www.activerelease.com/ put your zip code in the provider search bar, find a provider in your area and get in there, it takes about 6 visits but you'll start to feel better and heal. Warning - the sessions can be painful but WELL worth it.
thank you max rep!
I just found one locally. 45 bucks per visit. They may or may not take my aetna. I read about Milos' experience. The doc I'm seeing specialized in weightlifters and runners.
So who has used Active release therapy? Good things to say about it?
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Rob - I second (or third) the active release therapy. I've had chronic tendonosis/tendonitis in my brachialis/biceps and this is the only thing that helps significantly. The fish oil helps, but as mentioned, it probably improves your condition 5-10%.
A.R.T. is great to break up the scar tissue that you likely have in the shoulder. This is actually re-igniting the inflammation-healing process around the tendons, but allows it to heal correctly without impingment. Since the shoulder and bi's are tied in together they may even use the same movements through your biceps too. You can couple this with things like cross friction massage and icing on your own but it depends how easily you can get to the sore spot. Some chiropractors are certified in this also.
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Rob - I second (or third) the active release therapy. I've had chronic tendonosis/tendonitis in my brachialis/biceps and this is the only thing that helps significantly. The fish oil helps, but as mentioned, it probably improves your condition 5-10%.
A.R.T. is great to break up the scar tissue that you likely have in the shoulder. This is actually re-igniting the inflammation-healing process around the tendons, but allows it to heal correctly without impingment. Since the shoulder and bi's are tied in together they may even use the same movements through your biceps too. You can couple this with things like cross friction massage and icing on your own but it depends how easily you can get to the sore spot. Some chiropractors are certified in this also.
Thanks ben!
question... how long did it take for Active release therapy to work for you? Did you have to keep returning, or did it solve it quickly? I have my first apopintment on tuesday... how many appts per week did they use? how many weeks total did it take you?
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Every ART session is actually a combination of examination and treatment.
The ART provider uses his or her hands to evaluate the texture, tightness and movement of muscles, fascia, tendons, and ligaments. Abnormal tissues are treated by combining precisely directed tension with very specific patient movements. These treatment protocols - over 500 specific moves - are unique to ART. They allow providers to identify and correct the specific problems that are affecting each individual patient. ART is not a cookie-cutter approach.
Is the treatment painful?
The first one or two treatments can be somewhat uncomfortable depending on the severity of the condition and the patient’s pain tolerance. However, even if the treatment is uncomfortable and reproduces their symptoms, this is only temporary and will stop a few seconds after the treatment.
How long do the treatments take?
The initial consultation, history, examination, and treatment will usually require 30 minutes to one hour. Subsequent treatments take ten to fifteen minutes.
How soon can I expect results?
In most cases, following the first treatment a patient will experience a positive result. This may be an increased range of motion, less pain, increased muscle strength, or decreased numbness and tingling.
Is this similar to other soft tissue treatments, such as other forms of massage?
NO. ART is very different than any other soft tissue, bodywork, massage, or other therapy. ART is very specific and the results achieved utilizing this technique are much more predictable, reproducible, and longer lasting.
Once my problem has been corrected what are the chances of the problem returning?
If the patient is advised as to any lifestyle modifications and follows through with the prescribed exercise/stretches, the likelihood of the condition recurring is very low. Dr. Leahy reported a recurrence rate of only 4% in his carpal tunnel study, of which half (2%), had not followed through with their exercises.
How does this form of treatment combined benefit an athlete?
Whether the athlete is in high school, college, or an adult; their sport is focused around specific and repetitive movements. The nature of repetitive motions and the unavoidable acute injury are the exact type of conditions ART was designed to correct. By increasing range of motion, decreasing swelling, and minimizing the formation of non-functional scar tissues, an athlete can benefit form ART whether they are injured or not. With the continuing growth and recognition of ART more and more college teams, professional athletes and corporations are utilizing this form of health care to decrease downtime and increase functional productivity. ART is the official medical provider to all IRONMAN events in the United States, and works with numerous NFL, NHL, and college teams, as well as Olympic medical providers.
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Off topic, but your thread title reminds me of one of those 1950's Government projector movies. ;D
'Rob got mixed up with the wrong bunch of boys. Watch out, Rob! You can't stop that train. It's headed for Addictionville.'
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'Rob got mixed up with the wrong bunch of boys. Watch out, Rob! You can't stop that train. It's headed for Addictionville.'
hahahahaha
i have a lidocaine (sp?) patch and prednisone that the junkie doc gave me. Hell, he asked me if nandrolone is a direction I wish to go in. Said it'd be good for the joints along with an oral. I shrugged and declined. He has some arrangement with the pharmacist i'm guessing... get the patient hooked on meds for life maybe?
Anyway, nothing but supplements and advil until the ART appt next week.
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We do it.
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We do it.
is it one of those things where the guy has to come back for months and months?
or usually solved pretty quickly?
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Thanks ben!
question... how long did it take for Active release therapy to work for you? Did you have to keep returning, or did it solve it quickly? I have my first apopintment on tuesday... how many appts per week did they use? how many weeks total did it take you?
It'll depend how aggressive they are, which they should be but be careful of the money chasers. I went to an ART twice who was ok, but I felt like I could take more, so I found then a chiro who did the same therapies, but more intense, and by 4th session I was good. I still worked out around it, but no bi's a limited back movements. I still have issues with it now but I've learned to back off quickly when I start getting flare ups. The biceps tendons are easier to get to and self-manipulate, you may need a longer treatment schedule and actually have to go back occassionally.
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If by active release you mean happy ending at the end of the massage, then yes.
OX
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If by active release you mean happy ending at the end of the massage, then yes.
OX
jpegs of the chinese girl or it didnt happen.
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is it one of those things where the guy has to come back for months and months?
or usually solved pretty quickly?
Depends on the severity of the pain and if the diagnosis calls for ART. If it does it may take a multiple visits. The Chiro on my staff is qualified for ART, we make it a pre-requisite when working with our athletes.
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ART is great for soft tissue rehab, ive used it many times
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Skipped ahead.
ART is awesome.
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240. Shoulders are always very susceptible to injury because outside of training you use them everytime you use your arm, which is a lot! You went in there again too fast, give them rest. it's not like you're gonna shrivel up in a month orso. You can't force recovery outside of using steroids or GH.
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240. Shoulders are always very susceptible to injury because outside of training you use them everytime you use your arm, which is a lot! You went in there again too fast, give them rest. it's not like you're gonna shrivel up in a month orso. You can't force recovery outside of using steroids or GH.
thanks. Milos was kind enough to email me a very detailed response. He pointed out that many Bbers trian shoulders but only a very few actually train the rotator.
And the doc's website discussed overuse, which I'm guilty of. If I'm not typing or playing guitar, i'm lifting or carrying a kid around. They literally move every moment i'm awake.
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thanks. Milos was kind enough to email me a very detailed response. He pointed out that many Bbers trian shoulders but only a very few actually train the rotator.
And the doc's website discussed overuse, which I'm guilty of. If I'm not typing or playing guitar, i'm lifting or carrying a kid around. They literally move every moment i'm awake.
You are welcome, 240 :P :D
Seriously, good luck with it mate. Can you post here once you have a session and let us know what they did exactly? Would appreciate it. Cheers.
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You are welcome, 240 :P :D
Seriously, good luck with it mate. Can you post here once you have a session and let us know what they did exactly? Would appreciate it. Cheers.
ah yes, we all know getbig is my life's blog. I'll post all about it
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240, can you elaborate on what milos said about training the rotators? did he make any recommendations?
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i dont know if he'd want me to post it all, but essentially...
most Bbers train the delt heads, and not the rotators.
We should train them.
When we do, rotators become developed.
This creates more room for the bursa sac, since the humeris is being pullled down.
impingement pain is then relieved.
There is more but I don't understand it yet. Moral of the story is, if youre a BBer, you should do rotator cuff movements, not just delt movements. i respect milos too much to post it all, or try to translate more, but that's the basics.
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I've said for years and have posted ALOT and wrote a few articals on RC training but there needs to be an understanding that RC work just doesn't include the 4 stabilizers ut the entire girdle. I don't let my athletes do any type of primary mover exercises without pre-hab exercises first.
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I've said for years and have posted ALOT and wrote a few articals on RC training but there needs to be an understanding that RC work just doesn't include the 4 stabilizers ut the entire girdle. I don't let my athletes do any type of primary mover exercises without pre-hab exercises first.
joe, please send me anythign you can on specific RC movements. i'm all over youtube tonight looking at examples. I've never trained this thing in my life.
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Ok. I'll send you our pre-hab routines tomorrow. There are two. One for isolated RC and one for sub-scapular. If you are looking on youtube, start with Y-T-W-L's
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Ok. I'll send you our pre-hab routines tomorrow. There are two. One for isolated RC and one for sub-scapular. If you are looking on youtube, start with Y-T-W-L's
thanks man! Next update is on me :-P
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Thanks but don't worry about it, it's on me!!
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Max your speaking of injectiions correct? An orthopedic dr can do it as well.
No it is a form of deep tissue therapy. Active release does NOT employ drugs or injections. I've been doing it for 3 months and have overcome rotator cuff ad brachial is injuries that lingered for years as well I had developed planter facitus from running sprints last summer.
My injuries had gotten to the point where I could no longer do barbell or dumbbell, flat, incline, seated or standing presses. I was only able to do machine movements on presses. I also could not do dumbbell curls. When I did get through a training session I'd hurt so bad I couldn't sleep. Now I can do all those movements without any pain.
Many factors determine how many sessions you need over how long a time period. It depends on how severe the injury is, how "deep" you are able to handle the therapy and how long you have had the injury. I literally laugh through the pain (it's a forced laugh but laughing it's a pain control technique that I learned long ago) so my ART therapist says he's able to get deeper with me than most patients. We just talked about me toning down to a maintenance program now.
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I had developed planter facitus from running sprints last summer.
Max, if that comes back, or as a preventative measure, you may want to consider getting some Birkenstock inserts. Have the people at the shoe store tell you what size and arch you need.
My husband, my training partner and I all had PF and those inserts cured us all.
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Max, if that comes back, or as a preventative measure, you may want to consider getting some Birkenstock inserts. Have the people at the shoe store tell you what size and arch you need.
My husband, my training partner and I all had PF and those inserts cured us all.
ART would be great or a soft tissue tech called "graston" would also benefit you well
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ART would be great or a soft tissue tech called "graston" would also benefit you well
ART has helped the PF for me as well as the shoulder problems.
Thanks Stella... Right now I'm using Superfeet Inserts... I'll look into the Berks.
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Tapeworm, how did this work out for you?
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im gonna see if i can get this stuff prescribed by my doctor....ive got awesome medical insurance from my parents... i bet id get this stuff with a $10 co-pay...
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im gonna see if i can get this stuff prescribed by my doctor....ive got awesome medical insurance from my parents... i bet id get this stuff with a $10 co-pay...
We bill insurance through physical therapy.
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Tapeworm, how did this work out for you?
"I'm feeling much better now." :D
I do YTWLs and int/ext rotations on shoulder day, and scap retractions and 'face pulls' (scap retractions with low weight, cable, with hands held at face level thumbs down, elbows bent and pointing out) on back day & bi day, and zottmans every other back & bi day.
Also do a stretch 5-6 days a week (every workout) that a local trainer showed me where you lie down on your (left) side taking care not to be leaning forward or back and have your (left) arm pointing away from you with your (left) hand pointing toward the ceiling, then place your (right) hand on the back of your left and press your left palm toward the floor. The guy who showed it to me said I had the worst flexibility he had ever seen, ever, and I should be doing it 2x a day (both arms, of course). I vary the angle of the upper arm a little too, so I do 2x 30 seconds with it at 90 degrees, 2x 30 seconds with it a little closer to the head, and 2x 30 seconds pointing a little down.
I confess I don't do it 2x a day, but I do it every workout. Also confess I don't do the kneeling YTWs you recommended, or the altitude drops, and I didn't get bands like I promised. :-[ I'm diligent about doing the prehab that I do tho, and I've been thinking about introducing a stretching & mobility session in the mornings along with cardio, so I could get those forsaken exercises in then, even if only one a day. (I'm also going to look into yoga tho, so I'm not sure yet what I'll be doing with my mornings.)
Also, I have accepted that I simply can't rush my workouts and taking the necessary time to warm up the joints is part of the process, so I do 3 or 4 warmup sets before I get into a working weight. Been lifting pretty light since Christmas, but I'm starting to feel more confident about working in a power zone and I'm easing back into a 5x5. I really want to get back to judo too, but I want to see how I fare under heavier weight for at least a little while. I'll never consider myself 'cured' since I've had shoulder problems even since I was swimming as a teen, but things are feeling way better than they were and I don't have harsh pain or the fear of immanent serious injury like I did back before Christmas.
Thanks for all your advice Coach, I really appreciate it man. You're one of the most knowledgeable and helpful guys on here and if you make it out to Aus I'd really like to meet you and hit the links! I'm going back to the States in late June/early July, so hopefully I won't miss you bro.
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1-2 weeks ok
long term usage, you will go psycho
and not know it, get moon face and acne, the kind you
cant get rid of.
Get a kenalog injection at the site, Much Much
better on your system, and more effective.
Tell me about it. I was on it for a year, and high dosages too! I got the moon face, hell I got the moon body ROFLMAO! I also got the acne. Mostly on my shoulders and they scarred big time! It's very depressing. My doctor prescribed Dyoxacycline (spelling?) for it and after I was on that for about a month it stopped...but it did a lot of damage prior. And being on the Dyoxacyline had it's own set of problems too. I couldn't go out in the sun at all. If I was outside I had to be under an umbrella or my skin would burn (as in 3rd degree, hospitalization). I really didn't have a lot of "rage" while on the prednisone. Once in a while I was short tempered, but it really wasnt much of anything. I guess it's because I'm very easy going and not much bothers me.
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are you the same laura lee that was a british pro?......... u were in the 1st mag i ever bought, was called bodypower or somthing like that, a british mag, had kevin levrone winning the night of the champions..
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FYI - 20 hours after active release therapy and the shoulder feels INCREDIBLE.
This is without any medicine too. I'd been taking 2 or 3 aleve each day for pain mgmt.
No clue if it'll last long-term, but i'm happy so far!
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are you the same laura lee that was a british pro?......... u were in the 1st mag i ever bought, was called bodypower or somthing like that, a british mag, had kevin levrone winning the night of the champions..
Lol, no. Not me. :)