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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1250 on: February 29, 2016, 09:12:19 AM »

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« Reply #1251 on: February 29, 2016, 09:21:25 AM »
The albatross of a Trump endorsement
During appearances on network television Feb. 28, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump repeatedly declined to refuse the endorsement of David Duke, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. While Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz both took aim at Trump. (TWP)
By George F. Will Opinion writer
February 28, 2016

Donald Trump’s distinctive rhetorical style — think of a drunk with a bullhorn reading aloud James Joyce’s “Finnegans Wake” under water — poses an almost insuperable challenge to people whose painful duty is to try to extract clarity from his effusions. For example, on Friday, during a long stream of semi-consciousness in Fort Worth, this man who as president would nominate members of the federal judiciary vowed to “open up” libel laws to make it easier to sue — to intimidate and punish — people who write “negative” things. Well.

Trump, the thin-skinned tough guy, resembles a campus crybaby who has wandered out of his “safe space.” It is not news that he has neither respect for nor knowledge of the Constitution, and he probably is unaware that he would have to “open up” many Supreme Court First Amendment rulings in order to achieve his aim. His obvious aim is to chill free speech, for the comfort of the political class, of which he is now a gaudy ornament.

But at least Trump has, at last, found one thing to admire from the era of America’s Founding. Unfortunately, but predictably, it is one of the worst things done then — the Sedition Act of 1798. The act made it a crime to “write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done, or assist in it, any false, scandalous, and malicious writing against the government of the United States, or either House of Congress, or the President, with intent to defame, or bring either into contempt or disrepute, or to excite against either the hatred of the people.” Now, 215 years after the Sedition Act expired in 1801, Trump vows to use litigiousness to improve the accuracy and decorousness of public discourse.

The night before his promise to make America great again through censorship, Trump, during the Republican presidential candidates’ debate in Houston , said that his sister, a federal judge, “[signed] a certain bill” and that Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. also “signed that bill.” So, the leading Republican candidate, the breadth of whose ignorance is the eighth wonder of the world, actually thinks that judges “sign” bills. Trump is a presidential aspirant who would flunk an eighth-grade civics exam.

More than anything Marco Rubio said about Trump in Houston, it was Rubio’s laughter at Trump that galled the perhaps-bogus billionaire. Like all bullies, Trump is a coward, and like all those who feel the need to boast about being strong and tough, he is neither.

Unfortunately, Rubio recognized reality and found his voice 254 days after Trump’s scabrous announcement of his candidacy to rescue the United States from Mexican rapists. And 222 days after Trump disparaged John McCain’s war service (“I like people that weren’t captured”). And 95 days after Trump said that maybe a protester at his rally “should have been roughed up.” And 95 days after Trump retweeted that 81 percent of white murder victims are killed by blacks. (Eighty-two percent are killed by whites.) And 94 days after Trump said he supports torture even “if it doesn’t work.” And 79 days after Trump said he might have approved the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II. And 72 days after Trump proved that he does not know the nuclear triad from the “Nutcracker” ballet. And 70 days after Trump, having been praised by Vladimir Putin, reciprocated by praising the Russian murderer and dictator. And so on.

Rubio’s epiphany — announcing the obvious with a sense of triumphant discovery — about Trump being a “con man” and a “clown act” is better eight months late than never. If, however, it is too late to rescue Rubio from a Trump nomination, this will be condign punishment for him and the rest of the Republican Party’s coalition of the timid.

“Once to every man and nation, comes the moment to decide,/In the strife of truth with falsehood, for the good or evil side.” So begins James Russell Lowell’s 1845 poem protesting America’s war with Mexico. The Republicans’ moment is here.

We are about to learn much about Republican officeholders who are now deciding whether to come to terms with Trump, and with the shattering of their party as a vessel of conservatism. Trump’s collaborators, like the remarkably plastic Chris Christie (“I don’t think [Trump’s] temperament is suited for [the presidency]”), will find that nothing will redeem the reputations they will ruin by placing their opportunism in the service of his demagogic cynicism and anticonstitutional authoritarianism.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-albatross-of-a-trump-endorsement/2016/02/28/0521c478-de54-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html?postshare=5561456758051129&tid=ss_fb-bottom

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1252 on: February 29, 2016, 12:21:31 PM »
Nominating Trump is all but handing the election to Hillary.

Don’t Assume Conservatives Will Rally Behind Trump
By Nate Silver
Feb 29, 2016


Donald Trump, at a rally at Millington Regional Airport in Millington, Tennessee, on Saturday.
Andrew Harnik / AP

If Donald Trump wins the Republican presidential nomination, he’ll have undermined a lot of assumptions we once held about the GOP. He’ll have become the nominee despite neither being reliably conservative nor being very electable, supposedly the two things Republicans care most about. He’ll have done it with very little support from “party elites” (although with some recent exceptions like Chris Christie). He’ll have attacked the Republican Party’s three previous candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain and George W. Bush — without many consequences. If a Trump nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican Party has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump despite the existential threat he poses to it.

Major partisan realignments do happen in America — on average about once every 40 years. The last one, which involved the unwinding of the New Deal coalition between Northern and Southern Democrats, is variously dated as having occurred in 1968, 1972 and 1980. There are also a lot of false alarms, elections described as realignments that turn out not to be. This time, we really might be in the midst of one. It’s almost impossible to reconcile this year’s Republican nomination contest with anyone’s notion of “politics as usual.”

If a realignment is underway, then it poses a big empirical challenge. Presidential elections already suffer from the problem of small sample sizes — one reason a lot of people, certainly including us, shouldn’t have been so dismissive of Trump’s chances early on. Elections held in the midst of political realignments are even rarer, however. The rules of the old regime — the American political party system circa 1980 through 2012 — might not apply in the new one. And yet, it’s those elections that inform both the conventional wisdom and statistical models of American political behavior.

This doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll be completely in the dark. For one thing, the polls — although there’s reason to be concerned about their condition in the long-term — have been reasonably accurate so far in the primaries. And some of the old rules will still apply. It’s probably fair to guess that Pennsylvania and Ohio will vote similarly, for example.

Still, one should be careful about one’s assumptions. For instance, the assumption that the parties will rally behind their respective nominees may or may not be reliable. True, recent elections have had very little voting across party lines: 93 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 supported Romney, for example, despite complaints from the base that he was insufficiently conservative. And in November 2008, some 89 percent of Democrats who voted supported Barack Obama after his long battle with Hillary Clinton.

But we may be entering a new era, and through the broader sweep of American history, there’s sometimes been quite a bit of voting across party lines. The table below reflects, in each election since 1952, what share of a party’s voters voted against their party’s presidential candidate (e.g., a Democrat voting Republican or for a third-party ticket). There’s a lot of fascinating political history embedded in the table, but one theme is that divisive nominations have consequences.

In 1972, for instance, about a third of Democrats voted for Richard Nixon rather than George McGovern, who won the Democratic nomination despite getting only about a quarter of the popular vote during the primaries. The Democrats’ tumultuous nomination process in 1968 was nearly as bad, with many defections to both Nixon and George Wallace. The 1964 Republican nomination of Barry Goldwater produced quite a few defections. Primary challenges to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992 presaged high levels of inter-party voting in November.

There are also some exceptions; Republicans remained relatively united behind Gerald Ford in 1976 despite a primary challenge from Ronald Reagan. And there were high levels of Democratic unity behind Obama in 2008, although one can argue that a party having two good choices is a much lesser problem than it having none it can agree upon.

Overall, however, the degree of party unity during the primaries is one of the better historical predictors of the November outcome. That could be a problem for Republicans whether they nominate Trump or turn around and nominate Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or John Kasich; significant numbers of GOP voters are likely to be angry either way.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Republicans are bound to lose; I’d agree with David Plouffe’s assessment that a general election with Trump on the ballot is hard to predict and that Trump “could lose in a landslide or win narrowly.” But if I wouldn’t bet on an anti-Trump landslide, I’m also not sure I’d bet against one. The presumption that presidential elections are bound to be close is itself based on an uncomfortably small sample size: While three of the four elections since 2000 have been fairly close, most of them between 1952 and 1996 were not. Furthermore, the closeness of recent elections is partly a consequence of intense partisanship, which Trump’s nomination suggests may be fraying. The last partisan realignment, between about 1968 and 1980, produced both some highly competitive elections (1968, 1976) and some blowouts (1972, 1980).

Although what voters do will ultimately be more important, it will also be worth watching how Republican Party elites behave and how much they unite behind Trump. On Twitter this weekend, there was a lot of activity behind the hashtag #NeverTrump, with various conservative intellectuals and operatives pledging that they’d refuse to support Trump in November. Rubio’s Twitter account employed the hashtag also, although Rubio himself has been ambiguous about whether he’d back Trump.

It’s reasonably safe to say that some of the people in the #NeverTrump movement will, in fact, wind up supporting Trump. Clinton, very likely the Democratic nominee, is a divisive figure, and some anti-Trump conservatives will conclude that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Others will get caught up in the esprit de corps of the election. Some of them might be reassured by how Trump conducts himself during the general election campaign or whom he picks as his running mate.

But I’d be equally surprised if there were total capitulation to Trump. Instead, I’d expect quite a bit of resistance from Republican elites. One thing this election has probably taught us is that there are fewer movement conservatives than those within the conservative movement might want to admit. Rank-and-file Republican voters aren’t necessarily all that ideological, and they might buy into some of the Republican platform while rejecting other parts of it. They might care more about Trump’s personality than his policy views.

But there are certainly some movement conservatives, and they have outsized influence on social media, talk radio, television and in other arenas of political discourse. And if you are a movement conservative, Trump is arguably a pretty terrible choice, taking your conservative party and remaking it in his unpredictable medley of nationalism, populism and big-government Trumpism.

If you’re one of these ideological conservatives, it may even be in your best interest for Trump to lose in November. If Trump loses, especially by a wide margin, his brand of politics will probably be discredited, or his nomination might look like a strange, one-off “black swan” that you’ll be better equipped to prevent the next time around. You’ll have an opportunity to get your party back in 2020, and your nominee might stand a pretty decent chance against Clinton, who could be elected despite being quite unpopular because Trump is even less popular and who would be aiming for the Democratic Party’s fourth straight term in office.

But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower. The realignment of the Republican Party will be underway, and you’ll have been left out of it.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-assume-conservatives-will-rally-behind-trump/

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« Reply #1253 on: February 29, 2016, 02:50:37 PM »
Nominating Trump is all but handing the election to Hillary.

Don’t Assume Conservatives Will Rally Behind Trump
By Nate Silver
Feb 29, 2016


Donald Trump, at a rally at Millington Regional Airport in Millington, Tennessee, on Saturday.
Andrew Harnik / AP

If Donald Trump wins the Republican presidential nomination, he’ll have undermined a lot of assumptions we once held about the GOP. He’ll have become the nominee despite neither being reliably conservative nor being very electable, supposedly the two things Republicans care most about. He’ll have done it with very little support from “party elites” (although with some recent exceptions like Chris Christie). He’ll have attacked the Republican Party’s three previous candidates — Mitt Romney, John McCain and George W. Bush — without many consequences. If a Trump nomination happens, it will imply that the Republican Party has been weakened and is perhaps even on the brink of failure, unable to coordinate on a plan to stop Trump despite the existential threat he poses to it.

Major partisan realignments do happen in America — on average about once every 40 years. The last one, which involved the unwinding of the New Deal coalition between Northern and Southern Democrats, is variously dated as having occurred in 1968, 1972 and 1980. There are also a lot of false alarms, elections described as realignments that turn out not to be. This time, we really might be in the midst of one. It’s almost impossible to reconcile this year’s Republican nomination contest with anyone’s notion of “politics as usual.”

If a realignment is underway, then it poses a big empirical challenge. Presidential elections already suffer from the problem of small sample sizes — one reason a lot of people, certainly including us, shouldn’t have been so dismissive of Trump’s chances early on. Elections held in the midst of political realignments are even rarer, however. The rules of the old regime — the American political party system circa 1980 through 2012 — might not apply in the new one. And yet, it’s those elections that inform both the conventional wisdom and statistical models of American political behavior.

This doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll be completely in the dark. For one thing, the polls — although there’s reason to be concerned about their condition in the long-term — have been reasonably accurate so far in the primaries. And some of the old rules will still apply. It’s probably fair to guess that Pennsylvania and Ohio will vote similarly, for example.

Still, one should be careful about one’s assumptions. For instance, the assumption that the parties will rally behind their respective nominees may or may not be reliable. True, recent elections have had very little voting across party lines: 93 percent of Republicans who voted in 2012 supported Romney, for example, despite complaints from the base that he was insufficiently conservative. And in November 2008, some 89 percent of Democrats who voted supported Barack Obama after his long battle with Hillary Clinton.

But we may be entering a new era, and through the broader sweep of American history, there’s sometimes been quite a bit of voting across party lines. The table below reflects, in each election since 1952, what share of a party’s voters voted against their party’s presidential candidate (e.g., a Democrat voting Republican or for a third-party ticket). There’s a lot of fascinating political history embedded in the table, but one theme is that divisive nominations have consequences.

In 1972, for instance, about a third of Democrats voted for Richard Nixon rather than George McGovern, who won the Democratic nomination despite getting only about a quarter of the popular vote during the primaries. The Democrats’ tumultuous nomination process in 1968 was nearly as bad, with many defections to both Nixon and George Wallace. The 1964 Republican nomination of Barry Goldwater produced quite a few defections. Primary challenges to Jimmy Carter in 1980 and George H.W. Bush in 1992 presaged high levels of inter-party voting in November.

There are also some exceptions; Republicans remained relatively united behind Gerald Ford in 1976 despite a primary challenge from Ronald Reagan. And there were high levels of Democratic unity behind Obama in 2008, although one can argue that a party having two good choices is a much lesser problem than it having none it can agree upon.

Overall, however, the degree of party unity during the primaries is one of the better historical predictors of the November outcome. That could be a problem for Republicans whether they nominate Trump or turn around and nominate Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz or John Kasich; significant numbers of GOP voters are likely to be angry either way.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Republicans are bound to lose; I’d agree with David Plouffe’s assessment that a general election with Trump on the ballot is hard to predict and that Trump “could lose in a landslide or win narrowly.” But if I wouldn’t bet on an anti-Trump landslide, I’m also not sure I’d bet against one. The presumption that presidential elections are bound to be close is itself based on an uncomfortably small sample size: While three of the four elections since 2000 have been fairly close, most of them between 1952 and 1996 were not. Furthermore, the closeness of recent elections is partly a consequence of intense partisanship, which Trump’s nomination suggests may be fraying. The last partisan realignment, between about 1968 and 1980, produced both some highly competitive elections (1968, 1976) and some blowouts (1972, 1980).

Although what voters do will ultimately be more important, it will also be worth watching how Republican Party elites behave and how much they unite behind Trump. On Twitter this weekend, there was a lot of activity behind the hashtag #NeverTrump, with various conservative intellectuals and operatives pledging that they’d refuse to support Trump in November. Rubio’s Twitter account employed the hashtag also, although Rubio himself has been ambiguous about whether he’d back Trump.

It’s reasonably safe to say that some of the people in the #NeverTrump movement will, in fact, wind up supporting Trump. Clinton, very likely the Democratic nominee, is a divisive figure, and some anti-Trump conservatives will conclude that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Others will get caught up in the esprit de corps of the election. Some of them might be reassured by how Trump conducts himself during the general election campaign or whom he picks as his running mate.

But I’d be equally surprised if there were total capitulation to Trump. Instead, I’d expect quite a bit of resistance from Republican elites. One thing this election has probably taught us is that there are fewer movement conservatives than those within the conservative movement might want to admit. Rank-and-file Republican voters aren’t necessarily all that ideological, and they might buy into some of the Republican platform while rejecting other parts of it. They might care more about Trump’s personality than his policy views.

But there are certainly some movement conservatives, and they have outsized influence on social media, talk radio, television and in other arenas of political discourse. And if you are a movement conservative, Trump is arguably a pretty terrible choice, taking your conservative party and remaking it in his unpredictable medley of nationalism, populism and big-government Trumpism.

If you’re one of these ideological conservatives, it may even be in your best interest for Trump to lose in November. If Trump loses, especially by a wide margin, his brand of politics will probably be discredited, or his nomination might look like a strange, one-off “black swan” that you’ll be better equipped to prevent the next time around. You’ll have an opportunity to get your party back in 2020, and your nominee might stand a pretty decent chance against Clinton, who could be elected despite being quite unpopular because Trump is even less popular and who would be aiming for the Democratic Party’s fourth straight term in office.

But if Trump wins in November, you might as well relocate the Republican National Committee’s headquarters to Trump Tower. The realignment of the Republican Party will be underway, and you’ll have been left out of it.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-assume-conservatives-will-rally-behind-trump/

Maybe that's for the best.

These assholes are talking about not supporting the Republican candidate and giving Hillary a chance to replace up to 3 Supreme Court Justices.

Anybody that knows what is at stake with the Supreme Court and still sits at home because their little feelings got hurt do not give a shit about this country.

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« Reply #1254 on: February 29, 2016, 03:00:51 PM »
The Republicans have become terrible.  They've brought this on themselves.

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« Reply #1255 on: February 29, 2016, 04:18:33 PM »
Maybe that's for the best.

These assholes are talking about not supporting the Republican candidate and giving Hillary a chance to replace up to 3 Supreme Court Justices.

Anybody that knows what is at stake with the Supreme Court and still sits at home because their little feelings got hurt do not give a shit about this country.

You could say the same thing about people supporting Trump.  He is just as unprincipled and dishonest as Hillary.  He changed many of his substantive policy positions within the last year.  He claimed his sister (a liberal judge) would make a great Supreme Court justice.

Nominating this man would be political suicide. 

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« Reply #1256 on: February 29, 2016, 04:27:56 PM »
You could say the same thing about people supporting Trump.  He is just as unprincipled and dishonest as Hillary.  He changed many of his substantive policy positions within the last year.  He claimed his sister (a liberal judge) would make a great Supreme Court justice.

Nominating this man would be political suicide. 

Doesn't matter. At the end of the day we have a country to save here.

His sister would make a great Supreme Court Justice? Thats fine. I'll take that one quote and measure it along with the numerous times he has shown his admiration for Justice Thomas and Justice Alito and Justice Scalia.

I'll weigh all those examples and still take my chances over any activist liberal judge(or 2, or 3) that Hillary would surely nominate.

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« Reply #1257 on: February 29, 2016, 04:48:20 PM »
Doesn't matter. At the end of the day we have a country to save here.

His sister would make a great Supreme Court Justice? Thats fine. I'll take that one quote and measure it along with the numerous times he has shown his admiration for Justice Thomas and Justice Alito and Justice Scalia.

I'll weigh all those examples and still take my chances over any activist liberal judge(or 2, or 3) that Hillary would surely nominate.

That's pretty much the attitude you need to have to support Trump.  This is beyond holding your nose to vote for a particular candidate.  It's turning a blind eye to essentially everything that makes the political version of Trump.  You have to ignore his flipping on so many issues.  You have to ignore his dishonesty during the campaign.  You have to ignore his incredibly offensive, undisciplined, and immature attitude.  You have to ignore the fact he has failed to provide details on how he plans to "make America great again."

Most importantly, you have to ignore his negative poll numbers, which are among the highest ever recorded, which will lead to almost certain defeat in November.  A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary IMO.  In fact, if you put a gun to my head I'd probably vote for her over Trump.  But as I've said before, if those are my choices in November, I'm likely voting for Gary Johnson.    


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« Reply #1258 on: February 29, 2016, 05:01:35 PM »
That's pretty much the attitude you need to have to support Trump.  This is beyond holding your nose to vote for a particular candidate.  It's turning a blind eye to essentially everything that makes the political version of Trump.  You have to ignore his flipping on so many issues.  You have to ignore his dishonesty during the campaign.  You have to ignore his incredibly offensive, undisciplined, and immature attitude.  You have to ignore the fact he has failed to provide details on how he plans to "make America great again."

Most importantly, you have to ignore his negative poll numbers, which are among the highest ever recorded, which will lead to almost certain defeat in November.  A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary IMO.  In fact, if you put a gun to my head I'd probably vote for her over Trump.  But as I've said before, if those are my choices in November, I'm likely voting for Gary Johnson.    



It became a Supreme Court election on February 13th with the passing of the Honorable Justice Antonin Scalia. No getting around that.

I have the utmost respect for Gary Johnson and the steadfast, disciplined libertarian principles he holds. That being said, a vote for Gary Johnson is essentially a vote for Hillary by proxy and basically a vote for a liberal activist supreme court which will rule over us for decades.

If you can sleep at night knowing you helped that come to fruition by voting for a man who has 0 chance then you need to also accept the consequences of those next 3 or 4 decades with Supreme Court ruling after ruling that rips the guts out of this once great country.


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« Reply #1259 on: February 29, 2016, 05:06:01 PM »
It became a Supreme Court election on February 13th with the passing of the Honorable Justice Antonin Scalia. No getting around that.

I have the utmost respect for Gary Johnson and the steadfast, disciplined libertarian principles he holds. That being said, a vote for Gary Johnson is essentially a vote for Hillary by proxy and basically a vote for a liberal activist supreme court which will rule over us for decades.

If you can sleep at night knowing you helped that come to fruition by voting for a man who has 0 chance then you need to also accept the consequences of those next 3 or 4 decades with Supreme Court ruling after ruling that rips the guts out of this once great country.



So I can vote for a man who has zero chance and is at least a good politician, or vote for a man who has about a 1 percent chance who I don't trust and who I think would be a lousy president?

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« Reply #1260 on: February 29, 2016, 05:12:28 PM »
So I can vote for a man who has zero chance and is at least a good politician, or vote for a man who has about a 1 percent chance who I don't trust and who I think would be a lousy president?

1 percent chance?

The polls and betting lines don't reflect that at all.

Everything I see has Hillary as the favorite but Trump comes in right around 2 to 1 odds.

We can't have a serious discussion if wildly false stats like that are being thrown around.

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« Reply #1261 on: February 29, 2016, 05:23:27 PM »
That's pretty much the attitude you need to have to support Trump.  This is beyond holding your nose to vote for a particular candidate.  It's turning a blind eye to essentially everything that makes the political version of Trump.  You have to ignore his flipping on so many issues.  You have to ignore his dishonesty during the campaign.  You have to ignore his incredibly offensive, undisciplined, and immature attitude.  You have to ignore the fact he has failed to provide details on how he plans to "make America great again."

Most importantly, you have to ignore his negative poll numbers, which are among the highest ever recorded, which will lead to almost certain defeat in November.  A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary IMO.  In fact, if you put a gun to my head I'd probably vote for her over Trump.  But as I've said before, if those are my choices in November, I'm likely voting for Gary Johnson.    



What's this about?  Not doubting it, but it seems to have slipped my mind ATM.

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« Reply #1262 on: February 29, 2016, 06:35:43 PM »
1 percent chance?

The polls and betting lines don't reflect that at all.

Everything I see has Hillary as the favorite but Trump comes in right around 2 to 1 odds.

We can't have a serious discussion if wildly false stats like that are being thrown around.

So you mention a serious discussion after referencing betting lines? 

Yes there is a bit of hyperbole in my statement.  I know he has a better than 1 percent chance.  I also know that no general election candidate has ever been elected with negative poll numbers as high as his.  I also know Hillary isn't going to wait until the eleventh hour like Cruz and Rubio did to start punching Trump in the mouth. 

The deck is already stacked against any GOP candidate given how the media is in the Democrats' back pocket.  You combine that with all of the crap in Trump's background, his inability to articulate his plans for the country, and his existing negative numbers and you have a candidate who is going to lose in November.

The GOP is not going to support him.  He's going to fracture the party, which will make it hard for him to get out the vote.       

Then there is Trump's inability to draw crossover Democrat voters.  I also question his appeal to independents.  I can tell you this independent will not be voting for him if he is the nominee. 

And if we look at what has actually happened at the polls, the overwhelming majority of Republican voters have rejected Trump:

Total (Iowa, NH, SC, NV)
320,215 = Votes for Trump
858,598 = Votes for other candidates

So, when I say he is going to lose in November, I've actually thought about it a little bit. 

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« Reply #1264 on: March 01, 2016, 08:32:52 AM »
Networks Devote Over 62 Percent of Super Tuesday Eve Coverage to Trump Totaling Over 15 Minutes
By Curtis Houck | February 29, 2016

On the eve of Super Tuesday, the network evening newscasts went all out with 24 minutes and 31 seconds of 2016 coverage and while both parties were covered, the networks made it loud and clear that Donald Trump was far and away the most important story to them with over 62 percent of that time spent salivating on how “there’s not much” Trump opponents “can do to stop him from getting the nomination.”

Despite the race being far from over, Trump fetched an astonishing 15 minutes and 19 seconds while his opponents received minuscule amounts with only 51 seconds for Senator Ted Cruz (Tex.) and two minutes and 15 seconds for Senator Marco Rubio (Fl.).

Meanwhile, Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were unable to even come within half of Trump’s absurd total as the pair combined for only six minutes and four seconds on ABC’s World News Tonight, the CBS Evening News with Scott Pelley, and NBC Nightly News.

NBC Nightly News offered the starkest contrast between the candidates as Trump was awarded five minutes and 46 seconds across three segments harping on his refusal to condemn the Ku Klux Klan and former leader David Duke, the growing uneasiness with a Trump nomination, and the scuffle at a rally in Virginia.

Anchor Lester Holt displayed the media’s plan of being able to have their cake and eat it too by denouncing Trump but also hanging on his every word: “Outside of Texas, Donald Trump seems poised to score some very big wins in tomorrow's primary contests despite some conflicting and curious answers to a question that's left him exposed over very sensitive racial ground.”

Amidst all the Trump coverage, a scant seven seconds was devoted to a single Cruz soundbite railing against the frontrunner for “represent[ing] everything you're mad about Washington, the deal-making that doesn't stand with the working men and women.”

The media’s hypocritical chiding of Rubio for hitting back at Trump and his insults saw the light of day on NBC as well with Trump correspondent Katy Tur lamenting during Rubio’s half-minute of mentions that “Rubio got into the mud” over the weekend as there’s “time is running out for Trump's competitors to make their case.”

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On CBS, anchor Scott Pelley lectured the entire Republican Party for putting on a campaign that he dubbed “petty, profane and unprecedented” but also gushed that Tuesday’s results “may generate irreversible momentum for Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.”

While on the subject of CBS, it’s important to note the CBS Chairman and Democratic Les Mooves told the Hollywood Reporter on Monday that while Trump’s candidacy “may not be good for America,” it’s been very beneficial for his network’s news business.

Lest we forget World News Tonight, the ABC newscast gave nearly the entire opening report from Republican correspondent Tom Llamas to the violence at that Trump rally and his KKK comments before anchor David Muir read a news brief on Melania Trump’s CNN interview with Anderson Cooper.

Over half the Democratic coverage came from ABC as Democratic campaign correspondent Cecilia Vega’s piece took up three minutes and 12 seconds plus 29 seconds of a third block of chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl briefly breaking down the scenarios on Super Tuesday for both parties.

On the Spanish-language networks Telemundo and Univision, the skewed coverage toward Trump was less drastic than their English counterparts, but was nonethless in favor of the billionaire. Overall, the pair combined for three minutes and eight seconds on Trump versus one minute and 51 seconds for Rubio. While ABC, CBS, and NBC mustered only 51 seconds for Cruz, Noticiero Telemundo and Noticiero Univision carved out two minute and 49 seconds for the conservative Senator from Texas.

While the liberal media claim to spend endless amounts of time bemoaning Trump’s positions and airing their grievances, the complaints appear to have been far outweighed by their interest in fetching ratings and pushing Trump as the only choice for conservatives and Republicans.

By essentially deleting his opponents from their airwaves, the networks (and cable outlets) have been employing a visible strategy to force the billionaire on GOP primary voters and through to the general election against Clinton or Sanders.

My colleague Rich Noyes brilliantly highlighted this very problem as it was evident for months with the month of January seeing Trump be bequeathed 60 percent of the total GOP race airtime on the network evening newscasts (with Cruz well behind at 30 percent and Rubio at four percent).

The Media Research Center’s Bias the Minute writer Mike Ciandella outlined the same pattern on CNN in an even shorter window as between August 24, 2015 and September 4, 2015, Trump was the topic of discussion in over 77 percent of their primetime election segments. For reference, Jeb Bush came in second for this study but only attracted roughly 12 percent.

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2016/02/29/networks-devote-over-62-percent-super-tuesday-eve-coverage-trump

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1265 on: March 01, 2016, 10:47:50 AM »
Nominating Trump is all but handing the election to Hillary.

According to conservative columnist George Will, this was the plan all along.

Does anyone here believe (remembering Bill Clinton called Trump to encourage him to get involved) that there was some level of planning going on here?

By 10 pm tonight, we'll all known the news.  Trump wins a lot of states, and so does Hilary.  There will be a 95% chance that it's Trump vs Hilary in the general, in about 8 hours.   I've said it all year dude, it's planned and it's inevitable because the repub base wouldn't ball up and call trump out for the immature shit lib that he is.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1266 on: March 01, 2016, 11:15:13 AM »
This is exactly what will happen in November if this con artist is the nominee.  Any new voters Trump brings to the polls will be offset by the folks who stay home or vote for other candidates.

Nebraska GOP senator won't vote for Trump in general election
By Tom LoBianco, CNN
Mon February 29, 2016 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)—Republican Sen. Ben Sasse said Sunday he won't vote for Donald Trump if the billionaire and GOP presidential front-runner becomes his party's nominee.

"If Trump becomes the Republican nominee my expectation is that I'll look for some 3rd candidate -- a conservative option, a Constitutionalist," Sasse, a first-term senator from Nebraska, tweeted Sunday night.

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If Trump becomes the Republican nominee my expectation is that I'll look for some 3rd candidate – a conservative option, a Constitutionalist
5:22 PM - 28 Feb 2016

Sasse railed against Trump on social media, writing in one tweet that "The Presidency is not our national embodiment of Nietzschean Will."

He collected many of his concerns in a Facebook post.

"I'm as frustrated and saddened as you are about what's happening to our country. But I cannot support Donald Trump," Sasse wrote. "Please understand: I'm not an establishment Republican, and I will never support Hillary Clinton. I'm a movement conservative who was elected over the objections of the GOP establishment. My current answer for who I would support in a hypothetical matchup between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton is: Neither of them."

Sasse, who has not made a formal endorsement for a 2016 candidate this cycle, has campaigned against Trump in the past, and appeared with Sens. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio on the trail.

The Nebraska freshman reiterated his position an interview Monday with CNN's Jake Tapper on "The Lead."

"If the nation that put a man on the moon can't do any better than nominating two fundamentally dishonest New York liberals, I think the American people deserve better choice than that and I think they'll get a better choice," Sasse said of Trump and Clinton.

"I'm not going to vote for Hillary Clinton, and given what we know about Donald Trump, I can't vote for that guy either ... If we got to a place where those are the two major party nominees, and I certainly hope that they're not, I'd have to look for a third-party option," he told Tapper.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/ben-sasse-donald-trump-endorsement/index.html

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1267 on: March 01, 2016, 11:58:33 AM »
True he's a liberal con artist. 

But.

"I like some of his ideas".  We keep hearing that. 

Ya know, hitler was a vegetarian.  But you would never say "I like some of his ideas" because the whole nazi thing is much bigger and worse.  Trump is like that.  You like the wall idea, but you should be more disgusted with the way he craps on the constitution and funds liberals and really acts the fool. 

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1268 on: March 01, 2016, 06:03:51 PM »
Texas called for Cruz.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1269 on: March 01, 2016, 06:09:44 PM »
Oklahoma goes to Cruz.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1270 on: March 01, 2016, 06:24:54 PM »
Cruz is having a solid night compared to the rest of his peers. The sad reality for him is that he is still getting lambasted by Trump.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1271 on: March 01, 2016, 07:04:33 PM »
Cruz is having a solid night compared to the rest of his peers. The sad reality for him is that he is still getting lambasted by Trump.

Can't help but notice that a certain portly gentleman with a similar personality to him, seems to be standing behind Trump quite frequently today.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1272 on: March 01, 2016, 08:09:14 PM »
cruz has won 3 states, Trump has won 11? 

Trump as a billion to spend and is only trending upwards. 

It's all over.

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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1273 on: March 01, 2016, 08:11:33 PM »
Can't help but notice that a certain portly gentleman with a similar personality to him, seems to be standing behind Trump quite frequently today.
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Re: 16 for '16: The Most Talked-About Potential GOP Presidential Candidates
« Reply #1274 on: March 01, 2016, 08:13:18 PM »
Veep in training

christie wants it so bad.  Trump treats him like a lapdog.  "Go get on the plane, go home..." totally punking him.   Christie playing the lapdog role just as he did with obama during hurricane sandy.

Republicans have to feel like they already lost the election, looking at tonight's results.