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How stupid is this kid? Not only smoking pot but having his picture taken??
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TBH, i think the publics reaction to it has been even more stupid. He never should have put himself in a situation where a photo like that could come out. On the other hand he's young, successful and seems like a good guy, who cares if he smokes from time to time?
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He screwed up and it looks like the picture was taken by someone trying to set him up. Anyone who gets mad about this is crazy. Thankfully his main sponsors stuck with him. I think it makes him more marketable. Sure companies like Kellogg's had to back away because of all the loser moms writing letters, but I think your average high-income Omega watch buyer, or speedo buyer can identify with smoking a little pot at a college frat. Most did.
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They should have all cut him loose. He broke the law. And he was dumb enough to do it with a camera on him, while he was one of the most popular sports figures on the planet.
Terrible role model.
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They should have all cut him loose. He broke the law. And he was dumb enough to do it with a camera on him, while he was one of the most popular sports figures on the planet.
Terrible role model.
Overkill.
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BFD,
Bad judgement on his part for getting photographed.
The reality is, people smoke weed. So what if he does?
People break the law. In most places smoking pot is not a felony, just as running a stop sign or going 59 miles an hour in a 55 mph zone.
If it causes him to not reach his goals then it was his choice.
In the end, so what.
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This isn't just about a kid smoking pot. It's about the most celebrated athlete on the biggest stage in the world choosing to put himself on the cover of cereal boxes in front of millions of kids violating state and federal law and getting photographed while doing it. If you're going to take money for something like that, knowing that you impact the lives of kids as a role model, you don't break the law.
Driving 59 in a 55 is a traffic violation, not a crime. Smoking pot is a crime. I don't care if lots of people do it. Doesn't make it right, especially when you're a public figure.
If he wants to break the law he needs to give up the endorsements.
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This isn't just about a kid smoking pot. It's about the most celebrated athlete on the biggest stage in the world choosing to put himself on the cover of cereal boxes in front of millions of kids violating state and federal law and getting photographed while doing it. If you're going to take money for something like that, knowing that you impact the lives of kids as a role model, you don't break the law.
Driving 59 in a 55 is a traffic violation, not a crime. Smoking pot is a crime. I don't care if lots of people do it. Doesn't make it right, especially when you're a public figure.
If he wants to break the law he needs to give up the endorsements.
Phelps only has to give up the endorsements if his endorsers decide they want to cut him. It's their money, their image and they have a right to decide on their own if they want to keep Phelps on the payroll. Phelps was smoking some pot at a frat party and someone snapped a picture of him from the side. Phelps is a 23 year old kid who made a big mistake. Pot smoking is illegal, but it's not a major issue. Plus, Phelps' major sponsors like Omega and Spedo are not targeting kids, they are targeting adults who probably smoked a joint or two in their day. Parents need to start being their own role models to kids. Infact, if my child asked me about Phelps I would tell them that he was caught smoking pot and that it was the wrong thing to do. I would tell them that he apologized for it and that he felt really bad about it.....so when the kids offer you some pot at school - don't make the same mistake Mike Phelps did. That said, chances are they will try it anyway.
Bum, you seem to still be a big fan of Colt Brennen after his legal issues. Brennen entered a female's dorm room, fondled her and exposed himself, correct? Infact, UH should have never admitted him to their program after what he did at Colorado, right?? He should have had his NCAA eligibility stripped for good, right? Colt is a role model to millions of young athletes in America, and he border line rapes a women? Playing the NCAA is a privilege, not a right, he should have had his eligibility stripped for good!
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Phelps only has to give up the endorsements if his endorsers decide they want to cut him. It's their money, their image and they have a right to decide on their own if they want to keep Phelps on the payroll. Phelps was smoking some pot at a frat party and someone snapped a picture of him from the side. Phelps is a 23 year old kid who made a big mistake. Pot smoking is illegal, but it's not a major issue. Plus, Phelps' major sponsors like Omega and Spedo are not targeting kids, they are targeting adults who probably smoked a joint or two in their day. Parents need to start being their own role models to kids. Infact, if my child asked me about Phelps I would tell them that he was caught smoking pot and that it was the wrong thing to do. I would tell them that he apologized for it and that he felt really bad about it.....so when the kids offer you some pot at school - don't make the same mistake Mike Phelps did. That said, chances are they will try it anyway.
Bum, you seem to still be a big fan of Colt Brennen after his legal issues. Brennen entered a female's dorm room, fondled her and exposed himself, correct? Infact, UH should have never admitted him to their program after what he did at Colorado, right?? He should have had his NCAA eligibility stripped for good, right? Colt is a role model to millions of young athletes in America, and he border line rapes a women? Playing the NCAA is a privilege, not a right, he should have had his eligibility stripped for good!
Colt Brennan? lol. How in the world did you bring him up (again)? This is about Michael Phelps, not Colt or Michael Vick, etc. But I'm interested in your claim that Colt "fondled" a woman and "exposed himself." Link?
Regarding Phelps, the kid already has a DUI. This pot incident shows how truly reckless the kid is and how he shouldn't be a role model.
You should not teach your kids that athletes are role models, but the fact professional athletes are idolized by millions of kids, regardless of what Charles Barkley says. And when an athlete chooses to accept money to market himself to kids (e.g., being on the cover of a cereal box), he has an obligation to conduct himself like a good citizen.
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Colt Brennan? lol. How in the world did you bring him up (again)? This is about Michael Phelps, not Colt or Michael Vick, etc. But I'm interested in your claim that Colt "fondled" a woman and "exposed himself." Link?
Regarding Phelps, the kid already has a DUI. This pot incident shows how truly reckless the kid is and how he shouldn't be a role model.
You should teach your kids that athletes are role models, but the fact professional athletes are idolized by millions of kids, regardless of what Charles Barkley says. And when an athlete chooses to accept money to market himself to kids (e.g., being on the cover of a cereal box), he has an obligation to conduct himself like a good citizen.
It's not about Colt Brennen....it's about you being a moral crusader when it suits you. You are a huge UH fan and a big Colt Brennen fan, but when he was at UC he got kicked off the team for exposing himself to a young women and reportedly fondling himself. You want Phelps to lose all his sponsors, yet you are a fan of a player who was kicked off a major NCAA football program for horrible conduct. By your standards, Colt Brennen should have been kicked out of the NCAA for life. Phelps took a bong rip, said he was sorry, and lost one of his major sponsors that targets kids. Thats enough punishment.
Phelps lost his sponsorship from Kellogg's, but again, Speedo and Omega are not targeting kid....they are targeting adults. Those sponsorships have nothing to do with children and it's their money, so they can do what they want with it. Trust me, if they felt it was going to effect their sales, they would pull the plug on Phelps. Infact, I think this will increase their sales, because their main demographic probably did some wild things in college. The kid smoked some pot, it ain't that big a deal. Look at any music video today and see rockers drinking and rappers puffing on weed. Your kids buy into that a lot more than a picture of a guy with a bong.
Parents put way to much emphasis on other people as their kids role models. Kids are exposed to a lot worse than pictures of bong rips on a daily basis. Adults need to be role models, not get all bent out of shape about a kid who messed up and apologized. Beach, if your child grows up to become a star UH player and he/she screws up by getting a DUI or making a stupid mistake (but he/she is a good person) you wouldn't be talking like you are now. Phelps is clearly a good kid, who smoked some week and acted immature. Really, he smoked a bong.....it ain't that serious ;D
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Colt Brennan? lol. How in the world did you bring him up (again)? This is about Michael Phelps, not Colt or Michael Vick, etc. But I'm interested in your claim that Colt "fondled" a woman and "exposed himself." Link?
Regarding Phelps, the kid already has a DUI. This pot incident shows how truly reckless the kid is and how he shouldn't be a role model.
You should teach your kids that athletes are role models, but the fact professional athletes are idolized by millions of kids, regardless of what Charles Barkley says. And when an athlete chooses to accept money to market himself to kids (e.g., being on the cover of a cereal box), he has an obligation to conduct himself like a good citizen.
I agree with you in principle but in reality it doesn't work. Many sports based role models have issues with one thing or another. Kids need to learn to make their own choices for the right reasons and the only role model thats really makes a difference is their parents.
Personally, I don't see smoking pot as a big deal. It's breaking a law that shouldn't exist.
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It's not about Colt Brennen....it's about you being a moral crusader when it suits you. You are a huge UH fan and a big Colt Brennen fan, but when he was at UC he got kicked off the team for exposing himself to a young women and reportedly fondling himself. You want Phelps to lose all his sponsors, yet you are a fan of a player who was kicked off a major NCAA football program for horrible conduct. By your standards, Colt Brennen should have been kicked out of the NCAA for life. Phelps took a bong rip, said he was sorry, and lost one of his major sponsors that targets kids. Thats enough punishment.
Phelps lost his sponsorship from Kellogg's, but again, Speedo and Omega are not targeting kid....they are targeting adults. Those sponsorships have nothing to do with children and it's their money, so they can do what they want with it. Trust me, if they felt it was going to effect their sales, they would pull the plug on Phelps. Infact, I think this will increase their sales, because their main demographic probably did some wild things in college. The kid smoked some pot, it ain't that big a deal. Look at any music video today and see rockers drinking and rappers puffing on weed. Your kids buy into that a lot more than a picture of a guy with a bong.
Parents put way to much emphasis on other people as their kids role models. Kids are exposed to a lot worse than pictures of bong rips on a daily basis. Adults need to be role models, not get all bent out of shape about a kid who messed up and apologized. Beach, if your child grows up to become a star UH player and he/she screws up by getting a DUI or making a stupid mistake (but he/she is a good person) you wouldn't be talking like you are now. Phelps is clearly a good kid, who smoked some week and acted immature. Really, he smoked a bong.....it ain't that serious ;D
Moral crusader? I like that one. :) Let's assume for the sake of discussion that I'm only a moral crusader when it suits me. What in the world does that have to do with Michael Phelps putting people's lives in danger by driving drunk, breaking state and federal law by smoking pot, getting photographed while breaking state and federal law, and taking money so his face can be plastered in front of millions of children? I understand the need to attack the messenger at times, but even if you do so in this instance, it doesn't change the facts.
If he was truly a man of integrity he would fall on his sword, give up the endorsements he hasn't lost already, and try and win them back in four years.
Regarding the issue of Colt, which again has zero to do with Phelps, give me the link showing he "fondled" a woman and "exposed himself." I'm not going to accuse you of making stuff up (although you have done that about Colt in the past), but that would be news to me. But maybe I missed that part of the story.
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I agree with you in principle but in reality it doesn't work. Many sports based role models have issues with one thing or another. Kids need to learn to make their own choices for the right reasons and the only role model thats really makes a difference is their parents.
Personally, I don't see smoking pot as a big deal. It's breaking a law that shouldn't exist.
This isn't some gray area we're talking about. Having a debate about whether to legalize drugs is one thing; breaking the law is something completely different. It's not like he was engaging in some form of civil disobedience. He knew what he was doing was wrong. What kind of message does this send to kids?
Also, don't forget he already has a DUI.
Here is a six-minute clip that summarizes what I think about this situation. Janet Evans is on the money, but also listen to how the other woman says she had to explain what a bong was to her kid when this story came out.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
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This isn't some gray area we're talking about. Having a debate about whether to legalize drugs is one thing; breaking the law is something completely different. It's not like he was engaging in some form of civil disobedience. He knew what he was doing was wrong. What kind of message does this send to kids?
Also, don't forget he already has a DUI.
Here is a six-minute clip that summarizes what I think about this situation. Janet Evans is on the money, but also listen to how the other woman says she had to explain what a bong was to her kid when this story came out.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
I understand that he "broke the law", but holding "people" to those standards is unrealistic, because people will be people and will break the law from time to time or do something embarrassing. The fallacies lie in making these people or anyone "role" models, the illegality of weed, and the standards we set the role models at. They shouldn't be "role models" in the first place. Parents should be the role models, Weed should be legal, and star athletes shouldn't be in the public eye so much.
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I understand that he "broke the law", but holding "people" to those standards is unrealistic, because people will be people and will break the law from time to time or do something embarrassing. The fallacies lie in making these people or anyone "role" models, the illegality of weed, and the standards we set the role models at. They shouldn't be "role models" in the first place. Parents should be the role models, Weed should be legal, and star athletes shouldn't be in the public eye so much.
Ozmo let's be realistic. They should not be role models, but they are and there is nothing we can do about that. Kids idolize those guys. They buy posters, wear jerseys, clamor for autographs. They all want to "Be Like Mike." Athletes know this. Because they are role models whether they like it or not, they have an obligation to set the right example for kids, especially if they're asking for endorsement money.
I believe that when a person becomes a public figure and knows he or she has a great deal of influence on children, that person has an obligation to exercise the highest degree of integrity, etc. possible. This isn't just about a person making a mistake, which we all do, it's about a person on the world stage seeking out money so he can put himself around the kitchen table of millions of homes, engaging in behavior he knows is wrong.
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Ozmo let's be realistic. They should not be role models, but they are and there is nothing we can do about that. Kids idolize those guys. They buy posters, wear jerseys, clamor for autographs. They all want to "Be Like Mike." Athletes know this. Because they are role models whether they like it or not, they have an obligation to set the right example for kids, especially if they're asking for endorsement money.
I believe that when a person becomes a public figure and knows he or she has a great deal of influence on children, that person has an obligation to exercise the highest degree of integrity, etc. possible. This isn't just about a person making a mistake, which we all do, it's about a person on the world stage seeking out money so he can put himself around the kitchen table of millions of homes, engaging in behavior he knows is wrong.
Phelps was not asking for endorsement money, he was asked to endorse something and offered money to do it. Thats how it works. You have a romantic outlook on pro athletes, but it's not realistic. The money Phelps gets is private money. If it was public then you would have a point.
Now to get to your other post.....
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Colt is very open about what happened in CU. He was on 1420am our ESPN affiliate here in honolulu discussing the incident when he was asked about it during the pre-draft interviews. I havent heard of what actually happened. he does a lot here in Honolulu though and has changed quite a bite since his CU days. Im not defending Colt, but from what i know of him since he came here, he seems like a good guy.
I have never smoked weed, but i can understand a 23 year old who is famous getting caught up. Its just weed and its not like he would be the first athlete/celebrity to get in a little trouble for this. I have no idea why the media is STILL talking about this, its been two weeks already. Taking away all his sponsors would be way too severe IMO.
Beach, you surprised Mantai Teo went to Notre Dame? i sure was.
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Colt is very open about what happened in CU. He was on 1420am our ESPN affiliate here in honolulu discussing the incedent when he was asked about it during the pre-draft interviews. I havent heard of what actually happened. he does a lot here in Honolulu though and has changed quite a bite since his CU days. Im not defending Colt, but from what i know of him since he came here, he seems like a good guy.
I have never smoked weed, but i can understand a 23 year old who is famous getting caught up. Its just weed and its not like he would be the first athlete/celebrity to get in a little trouble for this. I have no idea why the media is STILL talking about this, its been two weeks already. Taking away all his sponsors would be way too severe IMO.
Beach, you surprised Mantai Teo went to Notre Dame? i sure was.
Colt was very open about it. I don't recall it being anything like what body claims (fondling and exposing). Sounds like a total embellishment. Plus, Colt was a choir boy when he was here. He's arguably the most popular athlete in Hawaii history. Got his degree. I really have no complaint about how he conducted himself while in Hawaii. Only thing I’d take issue with is he didn't spend enough time in the weight room.
I was a little surprised about Manti. Most everyone had him going to USC. I was listening to Curran when the story broke and he had a USC reporter on the phone at the time. The guy sounded like he was kicked in the stomach.
I think it was a good decision. Notre Dame has a great program (even if their coach is an egomaniac). Good environment. Closer to how he lives his life than the heart of LA at USC.
I was more surprised to see Roby Toma go to ND instead of UCLA. We didn't even offer the kid till last week. Somebody was asleep at the switch.
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They should have all cut him loose. He broke the law. And he was dumb enough to do it with a camera on him, while he was one of the most popular sports figures on the planet.
Terrible role model.
very dumb law
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very dumb law
Still the law.
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Great swimmer, dopey kid who is notorious for being an ass in his personal life. You think he would have learned from the DUI but he didn't. Whether or not you agree with the law, his actions were dumb considering the attention that follows him.
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Great swimmer, dopey kid who is notorious for being an ass in his personal life. You think he would have learned from the DUI but he didn't. Whether or not you agree with the law, his actions were dumb considering the attention that follows him.
True, but he said he was sorry, his sponsers pay him private money to sell products for them and they are ok with that happened. It's not a big deal.
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True, but he said he was sorry, his sponsers pay him private money to sell products for them and they are ok with that happened. It's not a big deal.
I don't really care either way. I'm not a big fan of him personally but he can swim. Gary Hall Jr. did the same shit and nobody cared. If it was juice I would care, a little...okay a lot.
The kid is a dope but he got a punishment so let's all move on. I would not compare Phelps to A Rod, that's for sure. He just needs to be smarter with as much attention as he gets.
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Moral crusader? I like that one. :) Let's assume for the sake of discussion that I'm only a moral crusader when it suits me. What in the world does that have to do with Michael Phelps putting people's lives in danger by driving drunk, breaking state and federal law by smoking pot, getting photographed while breaking state and federal law, and taking money so his face can be plastered in front of millions of children? I understand the need to attack the messenger at times, but even if you do so in this instance, it doesn't change the facts.
If he was truly a man of integrity he would fall on his sword, give up the endorsements he hasn't lost already, and try and win them back in four years.
Regarding the issue of Colt, which again has zero to do with Phelps, give me the link showing he "fondled" a woman and "exposed himself." I'm not going to accuse you of making stuff up (although you have done that about Colt in the past), but that would be news to me. But maybe I missed that part of the story.
I'm not "attacking the messenger", beach. I think you go on moral crusades when it suits you. The kid smoked some pot and someone took a picture of it. He apologized and his main sponsors decided that they wanted to continue paying him their own money to represent them. The vast majority of people who have been commenting on this issue agree that it's just not that big of a deal. Your ideals and insinuations are unrealistic and ridiculous. Why would the kid give up his endorsements? Again, that is for the companies who pay him to decide.
The Colt issue that I brought up has everything to do with your inconsistent opinion of Mike Phelps. You're a huge fan of Colt Brennen...a guy who was kicked off the CU team for getting drunk, breaking into a woman's dorm room (and allegedly) doing some pretty disgusting things. According to the story posted, Colt was forced to spend one week in jail, cop a plea deal, he was put on probation, expelled from CU and he was kicked off the football team. The newspaper that first reported this story had Brennen allegedly fondling and exposing himself to the young women who accused him of rape. Further more, your boy Jevon Bass was recruited out of prison! He stole someones car and caught a 15 month bid before he came to UH. Your own coach admits that he recruits players from JAIL. Hypocrisy! You make excuses and ignore the past of your UH guys, but you rip Phelps for smoking a little weed. Come on.
Brennen Story
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/92490-the-truth-about-colt-brennan
(The charges that were reported in the original news story can be found on Colts wikpedia page)
A qoute from the USA today story in the link provided:
The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/wac/2007-12-20-hawaii-football_N.htm
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Great swimmer, dopey kid who is notorious for being an ass in his personal life. You think he would have learned from the DUI but he didn't. Whether or not you agree with the law, his actions were dumb considering the attention that follows him.
Yep.
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I'm not "attacking the messenger", beach. I think you go on moral crusades when it suits you. The kid smoked some pot and someone took a picture of it. He apologized and his main sponsors decided that they wanted to continue paying him their own money to represent them. The vast majority of people who have been commenting on this issue agree that it's just not that big of a deal. Your ideals and insinuations are unrealistic and ridiculous. Why would the kid give up his endorsements? Again, that is for the companies who pay him to decide.
The Colt issue that I brought up has everything to do with your inconsistent opinion of Mike Phelps. You're a huge fan of Colt Brennen...a guy who was kicked off the CU team for getting drunk, breaking into a woman's dorm room (and allegedly) doing some pretty disgusting things. According to the story posted, Colt was forced to spend one week in jail, cop a plea deal, he was put on probation, expelled from CU and he was kicked off the football team. The newspaper that first reported this story had Brennen allegedly fondling and exposing himself to the young women who accused him of rape. Further more, your boy Jevon Bass was recruited out of prison! He stole someones car and caught a 15 month bid before he came to UH. Your own coach admits that he recruits players from JAIL. Hypocrisy! You make excuses and ignore the past of your UH guys, but you rip Phelps for smoking a little weed. Come on.
Brennen Story
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/92490-the-truth-about-colt-brennan
(The charges that were reported in the original news story can be found on Colts wikpedia page)
A qoute from the USA today story in the link provided:
The three best players I've had in this program were Pisa Tinoisamoa (now a linebacker with the St. Louis Rams), Colt Brennan and Davone Bess, and I recruited all three of them from jail," Jones says. "We can't get a kid like that to come to Hawaii. If a kid like that doesn't have legal trouble, he's going to USC or Colorado or somewhere."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/wac/2007-12-20-hawaii-football_N.htm
Fascinated with the UH football program are we? :) Of course you're attacking the messenger. For example, I could say you'd probably be all over Michael Phelps if he kicked his dog instead of getting a DUI and smoking pot. But what would that have to do with Phelps? Let me address the red herrings before getting back to the real issue (Phelps).
1. You said Colt "fondled" a woman, “exposed” himself, and did some "disgusting" things, and was accused of "rape." Are you just going to keep making things up as you go along? Colt went into a girl's room while drunk and refused to leave when he was asked. That's it. Here are the facts: "Brennan was convicted of first-degree criminal trespass and second-degree burglary, but was acquitted of charges of sexual assault and indecent exposure." http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2664279 That was five years ago. ::) Now what did he do after that five-year-old incident? He had a great year at Saddleback JC, became one of the most prolific QBs in NCAA history at UH, sacrificed his first-round draft status and millions to help UH get to a "BCS" bowl game, got his degree, was a model citizen in Hawaii, got drafted, and will be a good NFL QB. And none of this has anything to do with Michael Phelps.
2. Regarding "Jevon Bass," he didn't steal anything. He was in a car with someone else who stole something. He was also a minor. Went to a juvenile detention center, lost his Oregon State scholarship, and learned a very valuable lesson. What did he do after this years-old incident? He came to UH, was a team leader, became an All-American, started in the NFL as a rookie FA, and will have a long NFL career (barring injury). And none of this has anything to do with Michael Phelps.
3. Pisa?? Do I even need to go there? lol. ::)
4. Now back to the issue of Michael Phelps, you should take a few minutes and watch the link I posted earlier in the thread. Former Olympic gold medalist Janet Evans summarizes what I think about Phelps. Feel free to try and shift her comments to some other athlete, who else she supports, etc. Maybe she is a fan of someone who was convicted of jaywalking five years ago. :) http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
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Fascinated with the UH football program are we? Of course you're attacking the messenger. For example, I could say you'd probably be all over Michael Phelps if he kicked his dog instead of getting a DUI and smoking pot. But what would that have to do with Phelps? Let me address the red herrings before getting back to the real issue (Phelps).
No I am showing that you make excuses for a program the recruits athletes from jail, yet hop on the soap box when a guy gets caught hitting a bong. It's hypocritical. I wouldn't call for Mike Phelps to be kicked out of his sport and to lose his sponsorships for kicking a dog, thats just crazy talk.
1. You said Colt "fondled" a woman, “exposed” himself, and did some "disgusting" things, and was accused of "rape." Are you just going to keep making things up as you go along? Colt went into a girl's room while drunk and refused to leave when he was asked. That's it. Here are the facts: "Brennan was convicted of first-degree criminal trespass and second-degree burglary, but was acquitted of charges of sexual assault and indecent exposure." http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2664279 That was five years ago. Now what did he do after that five-year-old incident? He had a great year at Saddleback JC, became one of the most prolific QBs in NCAA history at UH, sacrificed his first-round draft status and millions to help UH get to a "BCS" bowl game, got his degree, was a model citizen in Hawaii, got drafted, and will be a good NFL QB. And none of this has anything to do with Michael Phelps.
I said it was reported that Colt did the things you just listed. I also said that was according to his wikpedia page and the original story printed by that Colorado paper that broke the story. The point is this: Brennen was punished for a crime, he accepted a plea to get out of the sexual assault chargers and he was expelled from a major football program. His coach recruited him from JAIL, ha-ha. Again, you ignore this, make excuses for him and then rip Mike Phelps for getting a dui. This has everything to do with your view on Phelps. You're a hypocrite....I agree with you a lot but not this time. My point has everything to do with your views on Phelps. Look at the last few sentences of your paragraph above. It looks like one long excuse.....yet you want Mike Phelps banned from his sport for getting a picture of him smoking a little pot ::)
2. Regarding "Jevon Bass," he didn't steal anything. He was in a car with someone else who stole something. He was also a minor. Went to a juvenile detention center, lost his Oregon State scholarship, and learned a very valuable lesson. What did he do after this years-old incident? He came to UH, was a team leader, became an All-American, started in the NFL as a rookie FA, and will have a long NFL career (barring injury). And none of this has anything to do with Michael Phelps.
Again, you are making excuses for a person who you like that was convicted of a crime, but ripping Phelps for getting a DUI. Why didn't you call for Bass to be expelled from the NCAA after he was put in jail? Why can't Phelps take what happened to him and do the same positive things that Bass did? This has everything to do with your opinion on Phelps. Once again, you make excuses and defend the actions of a guy like Bass, then you go rip Phelps. more proof of your hypocritical biased opinion.
4. Now back to the issue of Michael Phelps, you should take a few minutes and watch the link I posted earlier in the thread. Former Olympic gold medalist Janet Evans summarizes what I think about Phelps. Feel free to try and shift her comments to some other athlete, who else she supports, etc. Maybe she is a fan of someone who was convicted of jaywalking five years ago. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
You make excuses for guys like Colt Brennen and Bass, then you go rip Phelps for something he didn't even go to jail for. You're a hypocrite regarding this issue, plain and simple. You keep telling me that bringing up UH, some of your ex criminal players and their past run-ins with the law have nothing to do with Phelps, but in reality I am dong this to show that you are inconsistant with your beliefs regarding honor, the law and being a good role model.
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No I am showing that you make excuses for a program the recruits athletes from jail, yet hop on the soap box when a guy gets caught hitting a bong. It's hypocritical. I wouldn't call for Mike Phelps to be kicked out of his sport and to lose his sponsorships for kicking a dog, thats just crazy talk.
I said it was reported that Colt did the things you just listed. I also said that was according to his wikpedia page and the original story printed by that Colorado paper that broke the story. The point is this: Brennen was punished for a crime, he accepted a plea to get out of the sexual assault chargers and he was expelled from a major football program. His coach recruited him from JAIL, ha-ha. Again, you ignore this, make excuses for him and then rip Mike Phelps for getting a dui. This has everything to do with your view on Phelps. You're a hypocrite....I agree with you a lot but not this time. My point has everything to do with your views on Phelps. Look at the last few sentences of your paragraph above. It looks like one long excuse.....yet you want Mike Phelps banned from his sport for getting a picture of him smoking a little pot ::)
Again, you are making excuses for a person who you like that was convicted of a crime, but ripping Phelps for getting a DUI. Why didn't you call for Bass to be expelled from the NCAA after he was put in jail? Why can't Phelps take what happened to him and do the same positive things that Bass did? This has everything to do with your opinion on Phelps. Once again, you make excuses and defend the actions of a guy like Bass, then you go rip Phelps. more proof of your hypocritical biased opinion.
You make excuses for guys like Colt Brennen and Bass, then you go rip Phelps for something he didn't even go to jail for. You're a hypocrite regarding this issue, plain and simple. You keep telling me that bringing up UH, some of your ex criminal players and their past run-ins with the law have nothing to do with Phelps, but in reality I am dong this to show that you are inconsistant with your beliefs regarding honor, the law and being a good role model.
{sigh} I give up. The issue isn't me, or Colt Brennan, or "Jevon Bass." It's Michael Phelps. I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite. I'm not the one who put other people's lives in danger by driving drunk. I'm not the one who smoked pot or had my picture taken while smoking pot. My face isn't on a cereal box. I'm not the most celebrated athlete in the country. I'm not on a world stage. I'm not appearing in numerous TV commercials. But I know you really want to talk about me. That's okay. :)
And speaking of hypocrites, you think Michael Vick should be banned from the NFL, etc. because he abused dogs, yet you have no problem with a guy who put humans' lives in danger by driving drunk? Hypocrite. (Yes, a red herring, but I couldn't resist.)
As I said, take some time to review what Janet Evans has to say. I've posted the link twice.
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{sigh} I give up. The issue isn't me, or Colt Brennan, or "Jevon Bass." It's Michael Phelps. I don't care if you think I'm a hypocrite. I'm not the one who put other people's lives in danger by driving drunk. I'm not the one who smoked pot or had my picture taken while smoking pot. My face isn't on a cereal box. I'm not the most celebrated athlete in the country. I'm not on a world stage. I'm not appearing in numerous TV commercials. But I know you really want to talk about me. That's okay.
It's very simple beach, you rip Phelps for getting caught smoking some weed, but you praise guys like Colt Brennen and Jevon Bass who are convicted criminals. You talk about what a great program UH is, but they recruit their players from jail. Does your kid look up to the UH players like thousands of other kids on the island? If so, your moral highground is not only hypocritical it's selective and unfair. You're dodging my point. That's ok...I made it clear. You try to make it seem like I am making this issue about Colt and Jevon, but clearly I am not. I am showing how you rip a guy like Mike Phelps when it suits you, but you ignore the criminal past of guys like Colt Brennen and Jevon Bass. Why is that? It's ok for UH to put criminals on the field and you have no problem with your kid rooting for them, but you want Mike Phelps to be banned from his sport and to lose all his sponserships for smoking some grass.
And speaking of hypocrites, you think Michael Vick should be banned from the NFL, etc. because he abused dogs, yet you have no problem with a guy who put humans' lives in danger by driving drunk? Hypocrite. (Yes, a red herring, but I couldn't resist.)
Not only does this not make sense.....it's where I believe you have conceded the argument. Mike Vick not only abused and fought dogs for years, he tortured and killed them. He beat them to death, shot them and drown them for not performing well in fights. He also put family pets in the ring with fighting dogs to get a laugh. All that is well documented. I'm sorry, but I fail to see the similarities with that and Mike Phelps getting a DUI. Of course Phelps could have hurt someone, but he didn't. Vick did hurt the animals in question. He hurt them bad.
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These actions by Phelps will surely make his next book REALLY good. ;D
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So...
Colt Brennen was convicted of first trespassing and second degree burgulry.
Michael Phelps had a DUI and was photographed smoking weed.
Again I say: So what?
Yes BB, Michael's face shouldn't be on a cereal box, but if a parent influences his children less than a person on a cereal box, then if it wasn't the cereal box that spurred them to smoke weed it would have been something else.
Kellog did the right thing.
The Major football programs that rejected Colt did the right thing.
The bottom line is: BFD, Neither ended as a violent crime or theft.
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It's very simple beach, you rip Phelps for getting caught smoking some weed, but you praise guys like Colt Brennen and Jevon Bass who are convicted criminals. You talk about what a great program UH is, but they recruit their players from jail. Does your kid look up to the UH players like thousands of other kids on the island? If so, your moral highground is not only hypocritical it's selective and unfair. You're dodging my point. That's ok...I made it clear. You try to make it seem like I am making this issue about Colt and Jevon, but clearly I am not. I am showing how you rip a guy like Mike Phelps when it suits you, but you ignore the criminal past of guys like Colt Brennen and Jevon Bass. Why is that? It's ok for UH to put criminals on the field and you have no problem with your kid rooting for them, but you want Mike Phelps to be banned from his sport and to lose all his sponserships for smoking some grass.
Not only does this not make sense.....it's where I believe you have conceded the argument. Mike Vick not only abused and fought dogs for years, he tortured and killed them. He beat them to death, shot them and drown them for not performing well in fights. He also put family pets in the ring with fighting dogs to get a laugh. All that is well documented. I'm sorry, but I fail to see the similarities with that and Mike Phelps getting a DUI. Of course Phelps could have hurt someone, but he didn't. Vick did hurt the animals in question. He hurt them bad.
Colt's legal trouble happened when he was 18, before he became a celebrated athlete. He has since become a model citizen. Bess was a minor when he served time in a juvenile detention center and has since become a model citizen. Pisa was in trouble as a minor and has since become a model citizen and one of the best LBs in the NFL. Phelps was already on the world stage when he committed his crime. Apples and oranges.
I'm actually very proud of Colt and Davone. Terrific young men. They're living up to their responsibilities as role models. While Phelps has been off putting people's lives in danger and smoking pot, Colt and Davone were recently in Hawaii to participate in a Leukemia & Lymphoma Society of Hawai'i benefit fundraiser. http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090203/SPORTS04/902030351/1032 I'll take the two convicted criminals over the drunk driving pothead any day of the week. :)
And you have to look at what I've said about Phelps. He's incredibly dumb. Incredibly irresponsible. And he should lose his endorsements. I didn't say he should suffer a career ending injury or never be allowed to swim again. I said he should earn them back in four years. That's actually very consistent with my views on Colt, Davone, and Pisa, all of whom redeemed themselves after making bad decisions as kids.
You, on the other hand, don't believe in redemption if someone abuses dogs. You have no problem with an athlete putting people's lives in danger by driving drunk or violating state and federal drug laws, but let a guy abuse dogs and he is the antichrist. Even after a person makes a mistake, loses all of his endorsements, is fired from his job, becomes a pariah, and goes to federal prison, you say things like this:
Hopefully he has a career ending injury the day he steps back on the field, scumbag.
Imo that pile of trash should never have the luxury of putting on pads again. Imo playing as a pro athlete is a privilege. If Vick had just fought dogs I would think he was a scumbag, but I would be an advocate for him getting a second chance if he was rehabilitated. What gets me is the smashing of puppies skulls with rocks and the torturing of animals. That piece of shit should have the same things done to him.
Yes you're right. Hopefully he has his career ended after making a big comeback.
Hypocrite. :)
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So...
Colt Brennen was convicted of first trespassing and second degree burgulry.
Michael Phelps had a DUI and was photographed smoking weed.
Again I say: So what?
Yes BB, Michael's face shouldn't be on a cereal box, but if a parent influences his children less than a person on a cereal box, then if it wasn't the cereal box that spurred them to smoke weed it would have been something else.
Kellog did the right thing.
The Major football programs that rejected Colt did the right thing.
The bottom line is: BFD, Neither ended as a violent crime or theft.
Colt deserved to be kicked off the Colorado football team. Has nothing to do with Phelps though.
We agree about Phelps not being on cereal boxes. I also agree that parents should teach their kids that athletes are not role models. But that's not reality. I teach my kids the same thing, but then they are bombarded with images, jerseys, commercials, memorabilia . . . and a father who is a rabid sports fan. :)
Did you listen to Janet Evans' comments? Body is plugging his ears. :) She is right.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
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These actions by Phelps will surely make his next book REALLY good. ;D
Cha ching. :)
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Colt deserved to be kicked off the Colorado football team. Has nothing to do with Phelps though.
We agree about Phelps not being on cereal boxes. I also agree that parents teach their kids that athletes are not role models. But that's not reality. I teach my kids the same thing, but then they are bombarded with images, jerseys, commercials, memorabilia . . . and a father who is a rabid sports fan. :)
Did you listen to Janet Evans' comments? Body is plugging his ears. :) She is right.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2009/02/09/pn.phelps.loses.endorsement.cnn
I agree that its unavoidable for kids not to see many of these sports heroes as role models. But i also pointed out, that a parents influence is far greater or at least should be. Kids shouldn't smoke pot for others reasons, not because Michael Phelps doesn't.
I agree that Michael's actions are not good. I just don't see it as that much of a big deal. Personally i think the DUI is far worse. Demonizing pot smoking is stupid, law or not. Should we have this much of a hissy fit if we found out Michael removed his mattress tags?
I'll watch the vid when i get home, the sound on this comp is broke for reason.
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what Colt did was typical of a young college freshman (18yrs old), he has grown from that and has improved his character immensely and is great example for young kids to learn from their mistakes and make changes.
Michael Phelps situation is very similar i think and Im pretty sure he will learn a great deal from this, he shouldnt be scrutinised as much as he has been. he should be thanking A-Rod thats for sure.
both in my opinion are very minor mistakes that are magnified due to their status.
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I agree that its unavoidable for kids not to see many of these sports heroes as role models. But i also pointed out, that a parents influence is far greater or at least should be. Kids shouldn't smoke pot for others reasons, not because Michael Phelps doesn't.
I agree that Michael's actions are not good. I just don't see it as that much of a big deal. Personally i think the DUI is far worse. Demonizing pot smoking is stupid, law or not. Should we have this much of a hissy fit if we found out Michael removed his mattress tags?
I'll watch the vid when i get home, the sound on this comp is broke for reason.
I don't think anyone is demonizing pot smoking. It's the law breaking part that is the problem (at least for me). It really doesn't matter whether you, me, or anyone else thinks it shouldn't be against the law. It is. If he thinks it should be legal, he should join one of those pothead activist groups.
Is removing mattress tags a felony? :)
Yes, a DUI is a more serious offense than being photographed while smoking pot.
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I don't think anyone is demonizing pot smoking. It's the law breaking part that is the problem (at least for me). It really doesn't matter whether you, me, or anyone else thinks it shouldn't be against the law. It is. If he thinks it should be legal, he should join one of those pothead activist groups.
Is removing mattress tags a felony? :)
Yes, a DUI is a more serious offense than being photographed while smoking pot.
Smoking pot isn't a felony
The mattress tag says it's against the law to remove, at least that's what it said last time i read one. And i believe it says its a felony
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Smoking pot isn't a felony
The mattress tag says it's against the law to remove, at least that's what it said last time i read one. And i believe it says its a felony
Possessing a certain amount of pot is a felony. You can't smoke it without possessing it.
I'll have to check my mattress tags. lol. Have no idea what mine says.
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BTW Pot laws in S. C.:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4563 (http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4563)
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Possessing a certain amount of pot is a felony. You can't smoke it without possessing it.
I'll have to check my mattress tags. lol. Have no idea what mine says.
There's no way he was smoking more than an ounce in the bowl of that bong 8)
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There's no way he was smoking more than an ounce in the bowl of that bong 8)
How much did he possess? How much did he buy (if any)? What's under his mattress? :D
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How much did he possess? How much did he buy (if any)? What's under his mattress? :D
He could end up with 2 strikes lol! ;D
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Now they want to go after him for criminal charges.
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Now they want to go after him for criminal charges.
Based on the picture?
What a joke
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Don't do the crime . . .
Lawyers: Arrests made in Phelps case
ESPN.com news services
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Authorities in the South Carolina county where Michael Phelps was photographed smoking from a marijuana pipe have been arresting people as they seek to make a case against the superstar swimmer, lawyers for two arrested people said Thursday.
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After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps.
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-- Defense attorney Dick Harpootlian
Attorneys Joseph McCulloch and Dick Harpootlian told The Associated Press they each represent a client charged with possession of marijuana who were questioned about the party Phelps attended near the University of South Carolina campus in November.
The lawyers said the two clients were renters at the house where the party apparently took place. Harpootlian said his client was at the party, but didn't see Phelps smoke marijuana, while McCulloch said his client wasn't there. The two have since moved and were arrested after police executed a search warrant at their new home and accused them of having a small amount of marijuana there.
"After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps," Harpootlian said.
The lawyers would not name their clients, who each face up to 30 days in jail and a $200 fine if convicted on the pending charges.
The Richland County Sheriff's Department would not comment on the lawyers' remarks.
"As soon as we're ready to release information on this case, we will [comment], and we're still in the middle of this investigation," Lt. Chris Cowan said.
After the photo was published Feb. 1, Sheriff Leon Lott said his office would investigate and possibly charge Phelps, though officials have not specified what the offense might be.
Phelps, 23, and his representatives have not disputed the photo's accuracy. Phelps has issued a public apology, acknowledging "regrettable" behavior and "bad judgment" after the photo appeared. USA Swimming has suspended Phelps for three months and the Kellogg Co. has cut ties with him, although other sponsors are sticking with the swimmer.
McCulloch, who said his client was out of town at the time, doubted that anything his client told authorities would assist them in the case against Phelps.
"Our clients answered questions but I don't know that their information would be helpful to law enforcement," McCulloch said. "It seems to me that Richland County has a host of its own crime problems much more serious than a kid featured in a photograph with a bong in his hand."
Lott has said Phelps should not get a break because of his fame. Harpootlian said that he believes police are being overzealous.
"I find it amazing the justification is they don't want to treat him any differently just because he is a celebrity, and he is being treated far differently than any other Joe Blow who might have smoked marijuana four or five months ago."
Under South Carolina law, possession of one ounce or less of marijuana is a misdemeanor that carries a fine up to $200 and 30 days in jail for the first offense. Possession of drug paraphernalia is a $500 fine.
Columbia television station WIS-TV was first to report earlier this week that eight arrests related to the party had been made, but did not name a source. McCulloch said college students and lawyers have told him that about eight arrests have been made.
However, although the Richland County Sheriff's Department did execute search warrants last weekend on a couple locations at the University of South Carolina, the charges the eight people face are from last weekend and not from the November incident involving Phelps. A source told ESPN that those charged were mostly college students.
Lott has made fighting drug crimes a central plank of his career. He rose from patrol officer to captain of the narcotics division in the early 1990s. He was first elected sheriff in 1996 and has held the post since.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/news/story?id=3901721
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Don't do the crime . . .
Lawyers: Arrests made in Phelps case
ESPN.com news services
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Authorities in the South Carolina county where Michael Phelps was photographed smoking from a marijuana pipe have been arresting people as they seek to make a case against the superstar swimmer, lawyers for two arrested people said Thursday.
“
After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps.
”
-- Defense attorney Dick Harpootlian
Attorneys Joseph McCulloch and Dick Harpootlian told The Associated Press they each represent a client charged with possession of marijuana who were questioned about the party Phelps attended near the University of South Carolina campus in November.
The lawyers said the two clients were renters at the house where the party apparently took place. Harpootlian said his client was at the party, but didn't see Phelps smoke marijuana, while McCulloch said his client wasn't there. The two have since moved and were arrested after police executed a search warrant at their new home and accused them of having a small amount of marijuana there.
"After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps," Harpootlian said.
The lawyers would not name their clients, who each face up to 30 days in jail and a $200 fine if convicted on the pending charges.
The Richland County Sheriff's Department would not comment on the lawyers' remarks.
"As soon as we're ready to release information on this case, we will [comment], and we're still in the middle of this investigation," Lt. Chris Cowan said.
After the photo was published Feb. 1, Sheriff Leon Lott said his office would investigate and possibly charge Phelps, though officials have not specified what the offense might be.
Phelps, 23, and his representatives have not disputed the photo's accuracy. Phelps has issued a public apology, acknowledging "regrettable" behavior and "bad judgment" after the photo appeared. USA Swimming has suspended Phelps for three months and the Kellogg Co. has cut ties with him, although other sponsors are sticking with the swimmer.
McCulloch, who said his client was out of town at the time, doubted that anything his client told authorities would assist them in the case against Phelps.
"Our clients answered questions but I don't know that their information would be helpful to law enforcement," McCulloch said. "It seems to me that Richland County has a host of its own crime problems much more serious than a kid featured in a photograph with a bong in his hand."
Lott has said Phelps should not get a break because of his fame. Harpootlian said that he believes police are being overzealous.
"I find it amazing the justification is they don't want to treat him any differently just because he is a celebrity, and he is being treated far differently than any other Joe Blow who might have smoked marijuana four or five months ago."
Under South Carolina law, possession of one ounce or less of marijuana is a misdemeanor that carries a fine up to $200 and 30 days in jail for the first offense. Possession of drug paraphernalia is a $500 fine.
Columbia television station WIS-TV was first to report earlier this week that eight arrests related to the party had been made, but did not name a source. McCulloch said college students and lawyers have told him that about eight arrests have been made.
However, although the Richland County Sheriff's Department did execute search warrants last weekend on a couple locations at the University of South Carolina, the charges the eight people face are from last weekend and not from the November incident involving Phelps. A source told ESPN that those charged were mostly college students.
Lott has made fighting drug crimes a central plank of his career. He rose from patrol officer to captain of the narcotics division in the early 1990s. He was first elected sheriff in 1996 and has held the post since.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/news/story?id=3901721
Tax payor $ put to good use there :o
The money put into investegating, trial and possible jail time grossly outweighs the penalty..$200...are you shittin.. we need an overhaul of the system. we would save a shit load of money
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Don't do the crime . . .
Lawyers: Arrests made in Phelps case
ESPN.com news services
COLUMBIA, S.C. -- Authorities in the South Carolina county where Michael Phelps was photographed smoking from a marijuana pipe have been arresting people as they seek to make a case against the superstar swimmer, lawyers for two arrested people said Thursday.
“
After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps.
”
-- Defense attorney Dick Harpootlian
Attorneys Joseph McCulloch and Dick Harpootlian told The Associated Press they each represent a client charged with possession of marijuana who were questioned about the party Phelps attended near the University of South Carolina campus in November.
The lawyers said the two clients were renters at the house where the party apparently took place. Harpootlian said his client was at the party, but didn't see Phelps smoke marijuana, while McCulloch said his client wasn't there. The two have since moved and were arrested after police executed a search warrant at their new home and accused them of having a small amount of marijuana there.
"After they arrested him, they didn't ask him, 'Where did you get the marijuana?' or 'Who sold it to you?' Almost all the questions they asked him were about Michael Phelps," Harpootlian said.
The lawyers would not name their clients, who each face up to 30 days in jail and a $200 fine if convicted on the pending charges.
The Richland County Sheriff's Department would not comment on the lawyers' remarks.
"As soon as we're ready to release information on this case, we will [comment], and we're still in the middle of this investigation," Lt. Chris Cowan said.
After the photo was published Feb. 1, Sheriff Leon Lott said his office would investigate and possibly charge Phelps, though officials have not specified what the offense might be.
Phelps, 23, and his representatives have not disputed the photo's accuracy. Phelps has issued a public apology, acknowledging "regrettable" behavior and "bad judgment" after the photo appeared. USA Swimming has suspended Phelps for three months and the Kellogg Co. has cut ties with him, although other sponsors are sticking with the swimmer.
McCulloch, who said his client was out of town at the time, doubted that anything his client told authorities would assist them in the case against Phelps.
"Our clients answered questions but I don't know that their information would be helpful to law enforcement," McCulloch said. "It seems to me that Richland County has a host of its own crime problems much more serious than a kid featured in a photograph with a bong in his hand."
Lott has said Phelps should not get a break because of his fame. Harpootlian said that he believes police are being overzealous.
"I find it amazing the justification is they don't want to treat him any differently just because he is a celebrity, and he is being treated far differently than any other Joe Blow who might have smoked marijuana four or five months ago."
Under South Carolina law, possession of one ounce or less of marijuana is a misdemeanor that carries a fine up to $200 and 30 days in jail for the first offense. Possession of drug paraphernalia is a $500 fine.
Columbia television station WIS-TV was first to report earlier this week that eight arrests related to the party had been made, but did not name a source. McCulloch said college students and lawyers have told him that about eight arrests have been made.
However, although the Richland County Sheriff's Department did execute search warrants last weekend on a couple locations at the University of South Carolina, the charges the eight people face are from last weekend and not from the November incident involving Phelps. A source told ESPN that those charged were mostly college students.
Lott has made fighting drug crimes a central plank of his career. He rose from patrol officer to captain of the narcotics division in the early 1990s. He was first elected sheriff in 1996 and has held the post since.
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/swimming/news/story?id=3901721
If he goes to jail UH can bring him in, then he can become a model citizen and a great kid in your book!
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If he goes to jail UH can bring him in, then he can become a model citizen and a great kid in your book!
And if he kicks his dog you'll call for the death penalty. :)
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And if he kicks his dog you'll call for the death penalty. :)
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LMAO
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And if he kicks his dog you'll call for the death penalty. :)
Thats where we differ. I got upset over Mike Vick torturing and killing animals. You got upset about a kid smoking some pot. It's not the same. You lost the argument when I exposed your inconsistent views on an athletes behavior. You better believe I would feel the same way about Phelps as I do about Vick is he fought dogs, tortured and killed dogs and tossed family pets in the ring for fun with fighting dogs. But he didn't so it's a bad point to make. I showed how you makes excuses for convicted criminals like Colt Brennen and Javon Bass, but you jump on the soapbox when a kid gets caught smoking some pot. By your standards Colt Brennen should never have played in the NCAA again, and apparently you have no problem with your kids looking up to UH football players who came straight from jail to the team.
Phelps smoking pot and Mike Vick hanging dogs with extension cords for a laugh, man, you're really trying at this point. I think it's funny that you say I would want a person banned from a sport for kicking a dog, when it's clear Mike Vick did much, much more than that. At this point your just fighting for air before you go under.
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Thats where we differ. I got upset over Mike Vick torturing and killing animals. You got upset about a kid smoking some pot. It's not the same. You lost the argument when I exposed your inconsistent views on an athletes behavior. You better believe I would feel the same way about Phelps as I do about Vick is he fought dogs, tortured and killed dogs and tossed family pets in the ring for fun with fighting dogs. But he didn't so it's a bad point to make. I showed how you makes excuses for convicted criminals like Colt Brennen and Javon Bass, but you jump on the soapbox when a kid gets caught smoking some pot. By your standards Colt Brennen should never have played in the NCAA again, and apparently you have no problem with your kids looking up to UH football players who came straight from jail to the team.
Phelps smoking pot and Mike Vick hanging dogs with extension cords for a laugh, man, your really trying at this point. I think it's funny that you say I would a person banned from a sport for kicking a dog, when it's clear Mike Vick did much, much more than that. Wow.
Thats even more of a reason to kill the pot smoking laws. this dude can toke up and still get the most medals ever in history of olympics...maybe pot dosent kill your motivation..Boom
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Thats even more of a reason to kill the pot smoking laws. this dude can toke up and still get the most medals ever in history of olympics...maybe pot dosent kill your motivation..Boom
Thats fine with me. Pot is no worse than a beer. Of course beachbum is making a connection between dog fighting, hanging dogs with extension cords and throwing fido in the pit with a fighting dog to toking up, lol.
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Thats fine with me. Pot is no worse than a beer. Of course beachbum is making a connection between dog fighting, hanging dogs with extension cords and throwing fido in the pit with a fighting dog to toking up, lol.
boom...beer is worse..a lot people forget THE FUCKIN KID WAS 22....god damn
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So how long till he cops a plea? :)
(http://www.starmagazine.com/media/MichaelPhelps_bong.jpg)
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So how long till he cops a plea? :)
(http://www.starmagazine.com/media/MichaelPhelps_bong.jpg)
These charges are all for show to appease the moral thumper clans putting pressure on the authorities to do something about it.
It will turn out to another "only the government can do it" big fat bucket of wasted money. Just like 300 million for electric carts of 200 million to prove Clinton was having an affair.
Its a misdemeanor FFS. How are they going to prove there was weed in the bong without the weed or the bong at the time of the crime?
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These charges are all for show to appease the moral thumper clans putting pressure on the authorities to do something about it.
It will turn out to another "only the government can do it" big fat bucket of wasted money. Just like 300 million for electric carts of 200 million to prove Clinton was having an affair.
Its a misdemeanor FFS. How are they going to prove there was weed in the bong without the weed or the bong at the time of the crime?
By getting the people who were in the room to plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence and testimony against Phelps.
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By getting the people who were in the room to plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence and testimony against Phelps.
why would you agree it was a waste of money
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why would you agree it was a waste of money
Agree with what? I was just responding to Ozmo's question. I don't really care one way or the other whether he is charged or convicted. But I have zero sympathy for him.
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By getting the people who were in the room to plead guilty in exchange for a lesser sentence and testimony against Phelps.
Lesser for what?
Their cases will be solely based hearsay, any defense lawyer would have afield day with this.
Additionally, if you go the site i post, It lists the maximum fines and penalties, so in the remote chance they get a conviction no judge is going slap that on anyone.
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Lesser for what?
Their cases will be solely based hearsay, any defense lawyer would have afield day with this.
Additionally, if you go the site i post, It lists the maximum fines and penalties, so in the remote chance they get a conviction no judge is going slap that on anyone.
Lesser meaning they get no jail time, shorter probation time, etc. If someone was in the room and says something to the effect of: "There was pot in the room, I was smoking pot, there was pot in the bong, and Phelps was in the room smoking pot," that with his picture is more than enough, especially if more than one person says it. They have the smoking gun (so to speak).
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Lesser meaning they get no jail time, shorter probation time, etc. If someone was in the room and says something to the effect of: "There was pot in the room, I was smoking pot, there was pot in the bong, and Phelps was in the room smoking pot," that with his picture is more than enough, especially if more than one person says it. They have the smoking gun (so to speak).
I'm telling ya, any lawyer with a half a brain could shred that. First they have to have a case that the person was smoking pot. How do they do that? Then they have to sell the person who would have representation that the judge will send then to jail. All of which won't happen with a lawyer involved.
This is ALL show. So anal goodie 2 shoes belonging to some bean counting organization with a moral inventory raised hell. That's why this is happening now.
Just so you know, I also don't care either way. He's dealing with the consequences for his actions and that's good, no matter what those consequences will end up being, save actual jail time. But it's interesting to discuss and debate it.
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I'm telling ya, any lawyer with a half a brain could shred that. First they have to have a case that the person was smoking pot. How do they do that? Then they have to sell the person who would have representation that the judge will send then to jail. All of which won't happen with a lawyer involved.
This is ALL show. So anal goodie 2 shoes belonging to some bean counting organization with a moral inventory raised hell. That's why this is happening now.
Just so you know, I also don't care either way. He's dealing with the consequences for his actions and that's good, no matter what those consequences will end up being, save actual jail time. But it's interesting to discuss and debate it.
Well we'll see. Without the picture I might agree with you, but pretty hard to get past the picture.
I think high profile prosecutions are always about show to a degree. This could catapult someone's career.
It is an interesting discussion.
But I take issue with the "goodie 2 shoes" remark. That was actually one of the highest compliments I ever received when my kids called me that. :D
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Well we'll see. Without the picture I might agree with you, but pretty hard to get past the picture.
I think high profile prosecutions are always about show to a degree. This could catapult someone's career.
It is an interesting discussion.
But I take issue with the "goodie 2 shoes" remark. That was actually one of the highest compliments I ever received when my kids called me that. :D
The picture on proves he was inhaling something. It doesn't prove there was weed in it.
lol, you are a principled person. It's a good thing. However there are some people ("goodie 2 shoes") who would be filing a court marshall on the basis of theft on a Captain because he didn't fill out the right forms when took ammo from the ammo dump during an attack on the base.
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Based on the picture?
What a joke
Seriously. So if I smoke Hookah and it looks like a funky bong can they assume I'm smoking pot? I don't like pot heads but trying to charge Phelps based on this evidence is stupid. If that's the case then all the users in baseball and football need to do time too.
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Seriously. So if I smoke Hookah and it looks like a funky bong can they assume I'm smoking pot? I don't like pot heads but trying to charge Phelps based on this evidence is stupid. If that's the case then all the users in baseball and football need to do time too.
Trying to charge him at all is dumb..he will get at max $200 fine...and 30 days in jail...IT COST WAY MORE TO GO AFTER THIS DUMB SHIT. the economics of it is stupid
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I can see the value of prosecuting Phelps. It would show the millions of kids he influences that bad actions have serious consequences. Good lesson.
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I can see the value of prosecuting Phelps. It would show the millions of kids he influences that bad actions have serious consequences. Good lesson.
It would be hard from a photo. Would you support criminal charges for Arod? There is no way to prove what was in the bong so I think it is a waste of tax payer money.
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I can see the value of prosecuting Phelps. It would show the millions of kids he influences that bad actions have serious consequences. Good lesson.
Do you tell your kids not to look up to UH players because many of them are convicted criminals fresh out of jail. Would you agree that UH's recruitment money should not be spent on such low character players? In Colt Brennen and Jovon Bass' case, children have learned that you can break into a woman's dorm room ate at night and that you can steal a car and still be a big football star! You have not directly addressed how you can feel the way you do about these uh players (and make excuses for these players actions over and over) - yet you want the hammer dropped on Phelps. You do believe that torturing and killing dogs for years is the same as smoking some refer, so I think your view on the subject is distorted as a whole.
What a waste of the taxpayers money. Instead of NC giving some extra money to the police force they spend it on trying bring charges against a 23 year old who had a picture taken of himself smoking some pot. Beach thinks kids are going to think twice about weed because of this. Next time someone offers little Johnny a hit of a bong in Indiana, you know Johnny is going to have flash backs of what happened to Mike Phelps and pass the bong. Please.
Maybe if all these outraged parents spent more time with their kids and more time teaching them right from wrong they wouldn't have to worry about athletes doing it. Teens are going to be exposed to all the things parents are afraid off. If they do a good job they won't have to worry. My parents always taught me how to act responsibly with booze and to refuse drugs. Larry Bird didn't tell me to do it. I never drank to much, I never smoked to much. The kids who were ultra sheltered from everything where the ones getting loaded and turning into drug addicts.
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It would be hard from a photo. Would you support criminal charges for Arod? There is no way to prove what was in the bong so I think it is a waste of tax payer money.
I don't know if I would support criminal charges for Arod. Depends on the charge, facts, etc.
Cap do you honestly believe that Phelps was not smoking pot in the photo? It's already been proved as far as I'm concerned.
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I don't know if I would support criminal charges for Arod. Depends on the charge, facts, etc.
Cap do you honestly believe that Phelps was not smoking pot in the photo? It's already been proved as far as I'm concerned.
I'm just saying, we know Arod took roids, same with Bonds...they copped to it.
I do think Phelps was smoking pot but I don't think they would meet the burden of proof in this case.
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Do you tell your kids not to look up to UH players because many of them are convicted criminals fresh out of jail. Would you agree that UH's recruitment money should not be spent on such low character players? In Colt Brennen and Jovon Bass' case, children have learned that you can break into a woman's dorm room ate at night and that you can steal a car and still be a big football star! You have not directly addressed how you can feel the way you do about these uh players (and make excuses for these players actions over and over) - yet you want the hammer dropped on Phelps. You do believe that torturing and killing dogs for years is the same as smoking some refer, so I think your view on the subject is distorted as a whole.
What a waste of the taxpayers money. Instead of NC giving some extra money to the police force they spend it on trying bring charges against a 23 year old who had a picture taken of himself smoking some pot. Beach thinks kids are going to think twice about weed because of this. Next time someone offers little Johnny a hit of a bong in Indiana, you know Johnny is going to have flash backs of what happened to Mike Phelps and pass the bong. Please.
Maybe if all these outraged parents spent more time with their kids and more time teaching them right from wrong they wouldn't have to worry about athletes doing it. Teens are going to be exposed to all the things parents are afraid off. If they do a good job they won't have to worry. My parents always taught me how to act responsibly with booze and to refuse drugs. Larry Bird didn't tell me to do it. I never drank to much, I never smoked to much. The kids who were ultra sheltered from everything where the ones getting loaded and turning into drug addicts.
Many of them aren't convicted criminals fresh out of jail. And I don't know who "Jovon Bass" is. So I can't help you. I have addressed your red herring arguments that have nothing to do with Michael Phelps. Go back and read the thread, and pay special attention to page 2.
I've also addressed your abject hypocrisy regarding athlete indiscretions, and the fact you value dogs more than humans. But that's neither here nor there.
I think what I'll teach my kids is to ensure they don't become like the rapists who attend Boston College. :)
BC football player charged with rape
Alleged victim had rejected suspect's advances
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Brady J. Smith was arraigned.
Email|Print|Single Page| Text size – + By Bob Hohler
Globe Staff / April 23, 2008
Playing football at Boston College was a proud tradition for one Maryland family. Charlie Smith began the legacy as BC's captain in 1965. His son, Charles Jr., played for the Eagles in the 1990s, as did his nephew, Matt Smith.
more stories like thisBut the family's decades-long relationship with the school took a disturbing twist yesterday when Matt's brother, Brady J. Smith, was arraigned in Brighton Municipal Court on felony charges that he broke into a campus apartment and raped a female student.
Smith, 20, a 6-foot-2-inch, 285-pound defensive lineman who hoped to play professional football, was ordered held on $50,000 cash bail after a prosecutor told the court that Smith sexually assaulted the woman in her sleep about 4 a.m. Saturday after she spurned his physical advances at The Kells, an Allston nightspot.
"There was some premeditation involved," Megan O'Rourke, assistant Suffolk district attorney, told Judge Patricia Bernstein as Smith watched in handcuffs from a locked prisoner's dock. "The victim was being hit on by the defendant earlier that evening. When she rebuffed him, he followed and came to her home, and he went up to her bedroom and he touched her in a manner that she did not want."
In a written statement she gave the BC police, the alleged victim reported that she "awakened to someone standing over me in inappropriate ways."
"Once I was able to come to/wake up, I noticed that it was Brady Smith and I realized that his hand was down my pants," she wrote.
When the alleged victim realized what was happening, she told Smith "to get the [expletive] out" of her room, awakening her female roommate, who called campus police, she wrote. BC officers arrested Smith soon afterward in a campus parking lot. They alleged that he was intoxicated.
Smith's lawyer, Philip A. Tracy Jr., declined to discuss specifics of the case, though he indicated in court that he would explore how drinking might have influenced the evening's events.
Tracy said Smith "has been kicked out of school and taken off scholarship" because of the allegations. BC spokesman Jack Dunn said Smith was summarily suspended from school pending the outcome of the case and was indefinitely suspended from the football team.
"I think this all revolves around alcohol," Tracy told the judge. "Unfortunately, sometimes alcohol fuels a whole host of problems that can be devastating."
Smith - wearing a white T-shirt and jeans, as he did when arrested - stood silently during the 12-minute arraignment. He glanced several times at his father, his brother, and a family friend in the courtroom. He has been jailed since his arrest.
O'Rourke said Smith was familiar with the alleged victim because he had dated one of her roommates. The prosecutor said the alleged victim decided to leave The Kells because Smith continued to make advances after she asked him to stop.
Smith entered the women's modular apartment at BC through an unlocked rear sliding door, according to O'Rourke. She said Smith first entered his former girlfriend's bedroom, but he left when he discovered the woman's brother in the room.
Smith then allegedly entered the second bedroom and assaulted the sleeping woman, who is a senior at BC, the prosecutor said.
Tracy asked for lower bail, noting that Smith has no criminal record and no history of disciplinary problems at BC. Bernstein rejected the request, ordering Smith to stay away from Boston College and the accuser if he posts bail.
"He is suffering at this point," Tracy told the judge. "Luckily, he has a family who will stand beside him as we try to sort out this mess."
Smith, who was redshirted his freshman year, started 20 of the 24 games he played the last two seasons, as the Eagles posted 10-3 and 11-3 records, including postseason bowl victories.
A three-sport high school star at Loyola Blakefield in Maryland, Smith was the heavyweight wrestling champion of the state's private schools and was such a promising lacrosse player that he received a scholarship offer from the University of Maryland in that sport.
But Smith had his heart set on a football career. In 2004, he told the Baltimore Sun that former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett was "pretty stupid" for entering the NFL draft after one only one year of college. Smith said he planned to spend at least three years in college.
He is due back in court May 19 for a probable cause hearing.
Smith is the third member of BC's 2007 football team to face criminal charges. Offensive lineman Gosder Cherilus and defensive back DeJuan Tribble, both of whom are expected to be selected this weekend in the NFL draft, were charged last July with two counts of assault stemming for a brawl at the Greatest Bar near North Station. They are due back in court in June.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/04/23/bc_football_player_charged_with_rape/
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I'm just saying, we know Arod took roids, same with Bonds...they copped to it.
I do think Phelps was smoking pot but I don't think they would meet the burden of proof in this case.
Bonds is an idiot, just like Clemens and McGuire.
I really don't think it would be hard at all to prove he was smoking pot. I seriously doubt any reasonable person sitting on a jury will listen to people who were in the room say they were all smoking pot, look at the picture of Phelps with the bong, listen to his public comments, and conclude they have a "reasonable doubt" about whether he was actually smoking it.
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Many of them aren't convicted criminals fresh out of jail. And I don't who "Jovon Bass" is. So I can't help you. I have addressed your red herring arguments that have nothing to do with Michael Phelps. Go back and read the thread, and pay special attention to page 2.
The coach admits that he recruits players from jail. You should be appalled. Come on beach, you're all about athletes and their moral responsibilities . how can you be a fan of a team that recruits scumbag criminals!? I have told you three times now that I exposed your fanhood of convicted criminals on the UH team, but your biased opinion regardring Mike Phelps. nice dig about Bass, the fact is he was a criminal who was recruited from your program and you make excuses for him. Hell, I watched him play more than you did this year and I can't even spell his name. I think you said the former criminal was an elite wr? No. You have been exposed as a hypocrite, plain and simple.
I've also addressed your abject hypocrisy regarding athlete indiscretions, and the fact you value dogs more than humans. But that's neither here nor there.
False, you took my opinion of an athlete who tortured and killed animals for fun and tried to tie it to Mike Phelps getting caught smoking week. Again, you have been exposed.
I think what I'll teach my kids is to ensure they don't become like the rapists who attend Boston College. :)
What do I care about a scumbag rapist at Boston College? When did I defend that player? When did I ever defend a Boston College player for doing anything in bad taste or that was illegal. Oh yes.......never. I'm sure UH will try to recruit him since they actually target criminals. I'm glad that trash will be kicked of the team and persued by UH. Again, you take a shot at me and avoid my question. You allow your kids to be fans of criminals like Colt Brennen and Bass, but you rip on Phelps for smoking some dope.
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Then there are these guys. What kind of program are they running at BC?? And what kind of hypocrite would support the program that recruits rapists and thugs, but be appalled when a person abuses animals? :-\
BC's Cherilus, Tribble accused of assaulting bar patron
ESPN.com news services
Two Boston College football players charged Wednesday with assault and battery in connection with a July bar fight will remain active with the team and not be disciplined by coach Jeff Jagodzinski.
Offensive tackle Gosder Cherilus, a team co-captain, and defensive back DeJuan Tribble, along with Massachusetts State Police sergeant Joseph J. Boike, were charged with assaulting a patron at a Boston sports bar after he refused to clear an area for a group of Eagles players, The Boston Globe reported.
Cherilus and Tribble were each charged with one count of assault and battery and one count of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. The customer, 28-year-old Sean Maney, suffered a broken neck and other injuries, The Globe reported.
Philip A. Tracy Jr., who represents Cherilus and Tribble, told The Globe that both players will plead not guilty at their arraignment Oct. 1.
"They were, unfortunately, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Tracy told the newspaper. "They are innocent of any intentional assault on this man."
Cherilus, listed at 6-foot-7 and 319 pounds, is a fifth-year senior as is Tribble, a 5-9, 190-pound cornerback. The two practiced with the Eagles on Wednesday after testifying at their court hearing.
"I've reviewed all the facts and I am confident that they will be cleared and found innocent," Jagodzinski said Thursday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2988209
Bullock faces charges Football player suspended by BC
Article from:The Boston Globe (Boston, MA) Article date:April 8, 1997 Author: Michael Vega, Globe Staff More results for: boston college football arrested | Copyright informationCopyright 1997 The Boston Globe. (Hide copyright information)
Boston College football player Michael Bullock was suspended from the university and barred from his campus housing after being arraigned in Brighton District Court yesterday morning on assault charges stemming from a fight during an on-campus party late Saturday night.
His case was continued until April 30.
Bullock, 20, a 5-foot-10-inch, 163-pound sophomore wide receiver from Dallas, was arrested by campus police Saturday night, transferred to the custody of Boston Police, and charged with assault and battery and indecent assault and battery for allegedly fondling the breasts of a female student and then punching her in the face during a party . . . .
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8428387.html
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Then there are these guys. What kind of program are they running at BC?? And what kind of hypocrite would support the program that recruits rapists and thugs, but be appalled when a person abuses animals? :-\
Again, you avoid my post. Beach, you have lost the argument and your most recent posts prove this. You are deflecting my questions! I agree that the player from BC should go to jail and that they should reevaluate the type of guys they are recruiting. At least they do not admit to seeking out criminals (which was the point being made in my last post and which was the point used to expose your hypocrisy). I have never defended or tried to defend the poor actions of a BC player or its staff. You wont directly answer my posts because you can't. Your argument is straw at this point and designed to get out of DIRECTLY answering the questions I have posed to you many times.
I will respectfully drop the issue. It was nice debating you.
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Whoa. Is this stuff endemic at BC?? A 1998 story? :-\
BC, football player sued in alleged rape.
From: The Boston Herald | Date: June 9, 1998| Author: Estes, Andrea | COPYRIGHT 1998 Boston Herald.
A former Boston College student who says she was raped in her dorm room by a football player has filed suit against the school, charging officials failed to protect her from the attack.
The student, who dropped out after the alleged assault, also sued the former BC mental health worker who treated her afterward, and the football player whom she charges raped her repeatedly in October 1995. . . .
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-56377637.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html)
Not enough evidence to charge Phelps, sheriff says
(CNN) -- Olympic swimming champion Michael Phelps will not face criminal charges in connection with a November party at which he was photographed using a bong, a South Carolina sheriff said Monday.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
"We do not believe we have enough evidence to prosecute anyone" who was at the party in Columbia, South Carolina, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott told reporters, adding that authorities are ending their investigation into Phelps.
"We had a photo, and we had him saying he was sorry for his inappropriate behavior," Lott said. "That behavior could have been going to a party. ... He never said, 'I smoked marijuana.' He never confessed to that. We didn't have physical evidence. We didn't have enough where we could go arrest him."
Phelps, 23, who won a record eight gold medals at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China, admitted "regrettable behavior" after a British newspaper published the photograph about two weeks ago. The tabloid News of the World showed Phelps using the bong during what it said was a November party at the University of South Carolina in Columbia.
A bong is a device commonly used to smoke marijuana. University police and Columbia police both said they would not pursue charges against Phelps.
Lott said the photo that surfaced of Phelps put him and his department in a "no-win situation." If he had ignored it, he said, he would have faced criticism, but he also was criticized for investigating.
However, he said, the photo did initiate an investigation into goings-on at the home where the party took place, and some people were arrested on suspicion of drug possession. The home has been the focus of previous drug-related investigations, he said.
He defended his investigation, saying, "As a cop, my responsibility is to enforce the law, not to create it or ignore it. Marijuana in the state of South Carolina is illegal."
Lott said he has not spoken to Phelps, but hopes the swimming champion has learned from his mistakes and is willing to share an anti-drug message with children.
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I'm glad this didn't turn into another stupid circus that wasted money.
As i was saying, they had nothing.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html)
Not enough evidence to charge Phelps, sheriff says
(CNN) -- Olympic swimming champion Michael Phelps will not face criminal charges in connection with a November party at which he was photographed using a bong, a South Carolina sheriff said Monday.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
"We do not believe we have enough evidence to prosecute anyone" who was at the party in Columbia, South Carolina, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott told reporters, adding that authorities are ending their investigation into Phelps.
"We had a photo, and we had him saying he was sorry for his inappropriate behavior," Lott said. "That behavior could have been going to a party. ... He never said, 'I smoked marijuana.' He never confessed to that. We didn't have physical evidence. We didn't have enough where we could go arrest him."
Phelps, 23, who won a record eight gold medals at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China, admitted "regrettable behavior" after a British newspaper published the photograph about two weeks ago. The tabloid News of the World showed Phelps using the bong during what it said was a November party at the University of South Carolina in Columbia.
A bong is a device commonly used to smoke marijuana. University police and Columbia police both said they would not pursue charges against Phelps.
Lott said the photo that surfaced of Phelps put him and his department in a "no-win situation." If he had ignored it, he said, he would have faced criticism, but he also was criticized for investigating.
However, he said, the photo did initiate an investigation into goings-on at the home where the party took place, and some people were arrested on suspicion of drug possession. The home has been the focus of previous drug-related investigations, he said.
He defended his investigation, saying, "As a cop, my responsibility is to enforce the law, not to create it or ignore it. Marijuana in the state of South Carolina is illegal."
Lott said he has not spoken to Phelps, but hopes the swimming champion has learned from his mistakes and is willing to share an anti-drug message with children.
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I'm glad this didn't turn into another stupid circus that wasted money.
As i was saying, they had nothing.
Good. However, parents all over the world who depend on pro athletes to be role models to their kids are going to be pissed!
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I have actually dranken with Colt at a local bar during Monday Night football, talked to him for about 5 minutes, he seemed really cool and down to earth. But Im srue that girl wasnt the same for awhile after he went in her dorm room and refused to leave. And that is what he plead to for starters, who knows what really happened. So you cant really compare taht to someone smoking pot in a frat house.
But anyway, as for Phelps, hes an idiot for hitting a bong with some people who were obviously not freinds with him. I doutb he even knew someone had taken a picture of him. Those kids are assholes and Im glad whomever took teh pic and tried to make money on it got arrested. But other than that, a few kids smoking pot in their own home? who cares, the sheriff has other things he could be wasting his resources on.
Why should Phelps give up his sponsors? Hes only young and a famous athlhete for a little while, he needs to cash in while he can.
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I have actually dranken with Colt at a local bar during Monday Night football, talked to him for about 5 minutes, he seemed really cool and down to earth. But Im srue that girl wasnt the same for awhile after he went in her dorm room and refused to leave. And that is what he plead to for starters, who knows what really happened. So you cant really compare taht to someone smoking pot in a frat house.
But anyway, as for Phelps, hes an idiot for hitting a bong with some people who were obviously not freinds with him. I doutb he even knew someone had taken a picture of him. Those kids are assholes and Im glad whomever took teh pic and tried to make money on it got arrested. But other than that, a few kids smoking pot in their own home? who cares, the sheriff has other things he could be wasting his resources on.
Why should Phelps give up his sponsors? Hes only young and a famous athlhete for a little while, he needs to cash in while he can.
Exactly.
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/16/michael.phelps/index.html)
Not enough evidence to charge Phelps, sheriff says
(CNN) -- Olympic swimming champion Michael Phelps will not face criminal charges in connection with a November party at which he was photographed using a bong, a South Carolina sheriff said Monday.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
Michael Phelps admitted "regrettable behavior" after a photo of him using a bong was published.
"We do not believe we have enough evidence to prosecute anyone" who was at the party in Columbia, South Carolina, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott told reporters, adding that authorities are ending their investigation into Phelps.
"We had a photo, and we had him saying he was sorry for his inappropriate behavior," Lott said. "That behavior could have been going to a party. ... He never said, 'I smoked marijuana.' He never confessed to that. We didn't have physical evidence. We didn't have enough where we could go arrest him."
Phelps, 23, who won a record eight gold medals at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, China, admitted "regrettable behavior" after a British newspaper published the photograph about two weeks ago. The tabloid News of the World showed Phelps using the bong during what it said was a November party at the University of South Carolina in Columbia.
A bong is a device commonly used to smoke marijuana. University police and Columbia police both said they would not pursue charges against Phelps.
Lott said the photo that surfaced of Phelps put him and his department in a "no-win situation." If he had ignored it, he said, he would have faced criticism, but he also was criticized for investigating.
However, he said, the photo did initiate an investigation into goings-on at the home where the party took place, and some people were arrested on suspicion of drug possession. The home has been the focus of previous drug-related investigations, he said.
He defended his investigation, saying, "As a cop, my responsibility is to enforce the law, not to create it or ignore it. Marijuana in the state of South Carolina is illegal."
Lott said he has not spoken to Phelps, but hopes the swimming champion has learned from his mistakes and is willing to share an anti-drug message with children.
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I'm glad this didn't turn into another stupid circus that wasted money.
As i was saying, they had nothing.
To say "they had nothing" is an overstatement. They had the picture and everyone knows what he was doing in the picture. That said, much harder to go after him without at least one person in the room helping the cops. Plus they never talked to Phelps, which is a little strange.
The cop summarized what I've been saying all along: "As a cop, my responsibility is to enforce the law, not to create it or ignore it. Marijuana in the state of South Carolina is illegal."
In other words, it doesn't matter whether some people think it should be legal. The law is the law.
I also agree with cop in this regard: "Lott said he has not spoken to Phelps, but hopes the swimming champion has learned from his mistakes and is willing to share an anti-drug message with children."
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I have actually dranken with Colt at a local bar during Monday Night football, talked to him for about 5 minutes, he seemed really cool and down to earth. But Im srue that girl wasnt the same for awhile after he went in her dorm room and refused to leave. And that is what he plead to for starters, who knows what really happened. So you cant really compare taht to someone smoking pot in a frat house.
But anyway, as for Phelps, hes an idiot for hitting a bong with some people who were obviously not freinds with him. I doutb he even knew someone had taken a picture of him. Those kids are assholes and Im glad whomever took teh pic and tried to make money on it got arrested. But other than that, a few kids smoking pot in their own home? who cares, the sheriff has other things he could be wasting his resources on.
Why should Phelps give up his sponsors? Hes only young and a famous athlhete for a little while, he needs to cash in while he can.
I don't really know him, but I sat next to him on the plane from Hawaii to California a while back. Great kid. Humble, grounded, friendly. He has never let his success go to his head. I really admire him.
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To say "they had nothing" is an overstatement. They had the picture and everyone knows what he was doing in the picture. That said, much harder to go after him without at least one person in the room helping the cops. Plus they never talked to Phelps, which is a little strange.
The cop summarized what I've been saying all along: "As a cop, my responsibility is to enforce the law, not to create it or ignore it. Marijuana in the state of South Carolina is illegal."
In other words, it doesn't matter whether some people think it should be legal. The law is the law.
I also agree with cop in this regard: "Lott said he has not spoken to Phelp, but hopes the swimming champion has learned from his mistakes and is willing to share an anti-drug message with children."
It's not an overstatement at all, instead it's how our justice system is set up. They had nothing "to convict him with". Which is what i was saying all along. the whole thing was a gesture to appease the whistle blowers.
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Promoter cancels Phelps speaking events in Canada
Associated Press
CALGARY, Alberta — Michael Phelps has been dropped as the keynote speaker at two events in Canada next week, with the promoter citing the Olympic champion swimmer's "widely publicized alleged use of marijuana."
Power Within Inc. of Toronto, which organizes motivational speaking events, canceled Phelps' appearances at events in Calgary and Vancouver, the Toronto Globe and Mail reported.
Power Within initially stood by the swimmer, but has now booked actor Martin Sheen as its keynote speaker for the Calgary event. The Vancouver event will feature Mehmet Oz, a regular on The Oprah Winfrey Show.
"Due to widely publicized alleged use of marijuana by Michael Phelps, the decision has been made to present the program without Mr. Phelps' participation," the company said in statement released to several Canadian media outlets.
A British tabloid published a picture of Phelps smoking from a marijuana pipe at a party in Columbia, S.C., last November. Police said last week there was not enough evidence to charge Phelps, who won a record eight gold medals at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Phelps has apologized for his actions, acknowledging he used "bad judgment" after the photo appeared.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090225/BREAKING/90225033
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Promoter cancels Phelps speaking events in Canada
Associated Press
CALGARY, Alberta — Michael Phelps has been dropped as the keynote speaker at two events in Canada next week, with the promoter citing the Olympic champion swimmer's "widely publicized alleged use of marijuana."
Power Within Inc. of Toronto, which organizes motivational speaking events, canceled Phelps' appearances at events in Calgary and Vancouver, the Toronto Globe and Mail reported.
Power Within initially stood by the swimmer, but has now booked actor Martin Sheen as its keynote speaker for the Calgary event. The Vancouver event will feature Mehmet Oz, a regular on The Oprah Winfrey Show.
"Due to widely publicized alleged use of marijuana by Michael Phelps, the decision has been made to present the program without Mr. Phelps' participation," the company said in statement released to several Canadian media outlets.
A British tabloid published a picture of Phelps smoking from a marijuana pipe at a party in Columbia, S.C., last November. Police said last week there was not enough evidence to charge Phelps, who won a record eight gold medals at the 2008 Beijing Olympics.
Phelps has apologized for his actions, acknowledging he used "bad judgment" after the photo appeared.
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090225/BREAKING/90225033
the gayness continues
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the gayness continues
lol. :)