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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Matt C on June 25, 2011, 12:18:15 AM
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http://www.unleashedbeasts.com/beasts/layne-norton-pro-natural-bodybuilder
It's impressive to me how great Layne's nutrition is. I asked Layne once how he manages to eat so much and he said he is always hungry. Obviously that helps and he has the results to show for it. Since he has expressed an interest in continuing powerlifting, I wonder how much higher his lifts will get.
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http://www.unleashedbeasts.com/beasts/layne-norton-pro-natural-bodybuilder
It's impressive to me how great Layne's nutrition is. I asked Layne once how he manages to eat so much and he said he is always hungry. Obviously that helps and he has the results to show for it. Since he has expressed an interest in continuing powerlifting, I wonder how much higher his lifts will get.
depends on how high he is willing to up the dose :)
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depends on how high he is willing to up the dose :)
Layne consumes gear? ???
What are we talking about here, maybe a 20mg daily course of dbol for four weeks here and there? Some fake/under-dosed test? Something more?
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Layne consumes gear? ???
What are we talking about here, maybe a 20mg daily course of dbol for four weeks here and there? Some fake/under-dosed test? Something more?
N0. ANY0NE THAT DEADLIFTS 700 PLUS IS 0N A L0T 0F GEAR. IS THERE A Y0UTUBE LINK? LINK D0SEN'T W0RK.
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Layne consumes gear? ???
What are we talking about here, maybe a 20mg daily course of dbol for four weeks here and there? Some fake/under-dosed test? Something more?
Bro - stop acting an ass ::)
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N0. ANY0NE THAT DEADLIFTS 700 PLUS IS 0N A L0T 0F GEAR. IS THERE A Y0UTUBE LINK? LINK D0SEN'T W0RK.
700 is very high but I do have two friends who both deadlift over 550 and I honestly don't think they are on anything. Layne is structured well for the deadlift with his long arms. He is huge though at 200 pounds in contest condition. Between both his size and insane strength, I definitely see why people think he consumes gear.
On the MD board, I merely said Layne looks like he uses gear based on his size and people were bashing me. Basically, they were bashing me for saying he is huge. ::) Most people his size would be using so it's not like it's an unreasonable assumption. I want to say just one thing though which is that Layne seems like a very sincere guy to me and he is adamant about not consuming gear.
Bro - stop acting an ass ::)
Alright, fine. Just saying.
PS - Layne looks great.
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Layne consumes gear? ???
What are we talking about here, maybe a 20mg daily course of dbol for four weeks here and there? Some fake/under-dosed test? Something more?
I hope this is sarcasm.
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700 is very high but I do have two friends who both deadlift over 550 and I honestly don't think they are on anything. Layne is structured well for the deadlift with his long arms. He is huge though at 200 pounds in contest condition. Between both his size and insane strength, I definitely see why people think he consumes gear.
On MD, I merely said Layne looks like he uses gear based on his size and people were bashing me. Basically, they were bashing me for saying he is huge. ::) Most people his size would be using so it's not like it's an unreasonable guess. I want to say just one thing though which is that Layne seems like a very sincere guy to me and he is adamant about not consuming gear.
Alright, fine. Just saying.
PS - Layne looks great.
Y0UR INTERVIEW LINK D0SEN'T W0RK.
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it looks like he has a double overhand grip on the deadlift. thats extremely hard. its funny how he walks around in the gym getting ready for his lifts. guys were commenting about how stupid it was
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I hope this is sarcasm.
I admit I still to this day go back and forth on my thoughts about Layne but if you talk to the man in person you will see he is a very honest man and is adamant about being natural. And I'm not concerned with him in his day having consumed some M1T's or something, I'm talking about consistent, regular use.
Y0UR INTERVIEW LINK D0SEN'T W0RK.
Hm, try back again tomorrow, the bandwidth has been exceeded.
Try this link instead:
;D ;D ;D
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He is determined and works hard - that's great.
Seems somewhat strange.
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whats wrong with long sleeves matt?
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whats wrong with long sleeves matt?
Nothing wrong with showing off a pair of hefty 14 inchers.
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Nothing wrong with showing off a pair of hefty 14 inchers.
haha he wont show up anymore
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matt,, stop with this balonie,, i start not liking you ,, lay nortom is hormonized to the jills for a decade! not for couple years,, his mesurements are close to 18 inch arm in condition ! this is same mesurments as reeves and zane proportionaly ,, same as rodrigez only lay has very bad genetic structure and built even on hormones,,
the thicknes that liar present ,, the condition and the size of muscles,, the offseason weight and size and the competition weight size and condition are all evident of hormonal usage and not something he has been doing for few weeks,, he is one of the utmost liars in the cult ,, i really dont like him and i start not liking you because you come off as FAKE,, both of you used! i stil claim you are the type of fella that can nto maintain usage and thats why you dont grow ....but in his case he dedicated himself to bodybuild and the intake of hormones only did it WHILE LIEING AND THEN BLUNTLY ASKING FROM FELLAS TO NOT COMPETE IN NATURAL ORGANIZATION IF THEY ARE HORMONIZED....why is that?? so he can win or have a chance to do better!
lastly ,, at the end like a good fake natural he pushed the junk supplements,,
im really mad at this video ,, go to muscular develop to post this balonie,,
gh15 approved
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and one more thing,, lay nortom arms conditioned at very low bodyfat and NO WATER are mesuring 18 inches close to it 17.75 inches,,which he ofcourse lie and say it is 17 inch....those are big big mesurments of hormonized bodybuild,,infact in the npc highest levels the fellas are 17.5-19.5 inch on stage ....this is bordering sickness what i saw in that video ,,bordering mental sickness!
gh15 approved
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"matt" becomes cockier by the day.
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Good interview Matt. I do believe Layne is Lifetime NAtural.
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I've met him a couple of times. One of friendliest guys you'll ever meet. Still have his business card, in fact. Regardin' his drug usage, it's pretty obvious that he uses. Just like you, Matt C, you goddamn liar. ;)
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Layne consumes gear? ???
What are we talking about here, maybe a 20mg daily course of dbol for four weeks here and there? Some fake/under-dosed test? Something more?
please kill yourself.
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Excellent point and 100% truth.
Anyone who knows anything about lifting, hormones and possibilities will see the truth.
The rest will continue to buy absolutely useless supplements because it's like religion, they believe in them.
Marketing rules 101: play into peoples feares and desires, make them thing that there is a problem and as solution present your product.
Scared, knowledge-less, uneducated, unenlightened people are best consumers.
Nobody needs an educated, free-minded, own-opinionated, self-sufficient, healthy man or woman. They just are not good consumers and what good are you if you are not a consumer.
'Express yourself, be an individualist but do it through buying stuff, if possible our stuff'
Supplements are 99.6% useless and only basic protein is good in emergency cases. All else is marketing and lies.
Great comment. It's been a looooooooooooooooooooooo ooong time since someone has said something smart on getbig.
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Doctor Dutch has got a suspicious mind about this gentleman...
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Matt c for keeping it honest and still in fantastic shape!
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Matt C always always posts these Layne Norton threads to either:
a) throw Layne under the bus, start controversy, and get everyone to start accusing Layne of drugs
b) use the discussion as an opportunism to talk about his own natural strength and powerlifting abilities
Layne Norton does not take drugs.
gh15 wants to destroy any struggling person's beliefs they can get any results without "hormones" - the one thing in this world that makes him feel important, his supposed expertise, and claim to fame on this earth.
end of thread
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Matt C always always posts these Layne Norton threads to either:
a) throw Layne under the bus, start controversy, and get everyone to start accusing Layne of drugs
b) use the discussion as an opportunism to talk about his own natural strength and powerlifting abilities
Layne Norton does not take drugs.
gh15 wants to destroy any struggling person's beliefs they can get any results without "hormones" - the one thing in this world that makes him feel important, his supposed expertise, and claim to fame on this earth.
end of thread
matt c is stronger than layne on benchpress
matt c is one of the elite pound for pound naturals
show some respect or get banned
post reported >:(
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Marketing rules 101: play into peoples feares and desires, make them thing that there is a problem and as solution present your product.
Scared, knowledge-less, uneducated, unenlightened people are best consumers.
Nobody needs an educated, free-minded, own-opinionated, self-sufficient, healthy man or woman. They just are not good consumers and what good are you if you are not a consumer.
This is exactly what gh15 does but not with supplements- He does it with steroids.
"Marketing rules 101" as you call it
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Hormonized monkey liar
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I wonder when we are starting to rape Layne's wiki page again. Was very funny though..
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There is a difference in creating fear and spreading mis-knowledge and thus consumption and in stating reality.
Offcourse results can be made without any steroids.
The problem starts from defining results.
Defining something is always a measure of comparing it to something that allready exists and then putting it in its relative place next to it.
Results in 1930's for training meant something completely different then they do now. They are still on paper called results but objectively looking at them we all quickly see a world of difference.
With todays media, politics, society and internet fueled fantasies, expected results are in most cases nothing less then that of a superbody.
Magazines are full of men using everything possible to create these results with little to no work as possible and then blatantly promote them as results from hard work and smart nutrition.
These are called lies.
Unfortunately a normal body with some training is in society not seen as anything special.
To create anything worth looking at twice in todays world of overindulgence and pipe-dreams, one must use by-law forbidden drugs.
Anything else will fall short in achieving its goal of society appreciation and self-improved image.
Conclusion: GH15 (and most other experienced people) is purely stating the truth whether it is likeable or not. All others promoting and induldging in supplements are part of the marketing.
If gh15 was really a pro, he's be honest with you and tell you that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to accurately tell how "big" a person is in picture. When a person is very lean it's even tougher.
Middleweights look like super heavy weights when they are standing all by themselves in photo and vice versa.
Yet, he puts measurement numbers on arms (17.5") and body fat percentage (10%) from pro's photos, to getbigger's photos, to Layne Norton's photos.
He's talking out of his ass and he knows it.
Getbiggers don't know it though.
He makes everyone bigger and leaner than they really are, assigning number, and bingo, they're all on drugs.
If there weren't steroids in this world, gh15 would have no importance in this world except for telling getbiggers about space aliens and McCain winning the presidential election.
Do people use steroids? Yes. All? Hell no.
gh15 is precisely what he claims all bodybuilders to be: delusional, lying, and full of self-importance.
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If gh15 was really a pro, he's be honest with you and tell you that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY to accurately tell how "big" a person is in picture. When a person is very lean it's even tougher.
Middleweights look like super heavy weights when they are standing all by themselves in photo and vice versa.
Yet, he puts measurement numbers on arms (17.5") and body fat percentage (10%) from pro's photos, to getbigger's photos, to Layne Norton's photos.
He's talking out of his ass and he knows it.
Getbiggers don't know it though.
He makes everyone bigger and leaner than they really are, assigning number, and bingo, they're all on drugs.
If there weren't steroids in this world, gh15 would have no importance in this world except for telling getbiggers about space aliens and McCain winning the presidential election.
Do people use steroids? Yes. All? Hell no.
gh15 is precisely what he claims all bodybuilders to be: delusional, lying, and full of self-importance.
::)
You're a a total fag.
Hope this helps!
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Layne Norton is a pathological liar & has been on the juice for many years now...
With that said, I've seen this idiot in person and he is not at all impressive. His physique is stringy and disgusting & he has probably the worst structure possible for bodybuilding.
But despite his many obvious lies, I believe that his arms are 17"... I don't think that they look near 18". He's not over 6', so he's not a tall guy, and those arms just don't have any thickness.
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Your own inabillity to asses a physique and accurately estimate its numbers does not make it a law where no one can.
The more you are in an enviroment the more we all learn about it.
When I first came in the gym years ago I didn't know the difference between a brad pit body and my own at that time.
Now just by looking at people it is possible to estimate their weight, bodyfat % and even what they are using.
How is this possible? All steroids and drugs work in certain ways on a body, therefore all one needs to learn is the markers that these drugs are in use.
What GH15 is always saying is that training and even food are not the make-or-break factors in creating modern day bodies. It's the drugs.
This observation is 100% true.
I myself used to do the natural thing for years: eating perfect and boring, training hardcore and reading everything in sight.
6 months of HGH, test and at the end tren and the results are much better then all the years combined.
In addition there is now no need to do cardio that much or at all, food is inconsistent comparing to the old days and the training is at least 3 times shorter.
Building a body is like building a house, you can have all the plans ready, people working on it but with no 'assisted' materials (HGH and steroids) you WILL build a house but just like the houses of the 1950's.
Natural bodybuilding and its bodies have remained largely the same since the start of the sport, but enhanced bodies have made leaps of evolution only possible with these talked about drugs.
Congratulations, you're not as stupid as the complete-fucking-retard "mwbbuilder".
Why waste your time with that moron, though? Just call him an idiot, which he so obviously is, and move on.
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There is a difference in creating fear and spreading mis-knowledge and thus consumption and in stating reality.
Offcourse results can be made without any steroids.
The problem starts from defining results.
Defining something is always a measure of comparing it to something that allready exists and then putting it in its relative place next to it.
Results in 1930's for training meant something completely different then they do now. They are still on paper called results but objectively looking at them we all quickly see a world of difference.
With todays media, politics, society and internet fueled fantasies, expected results are in most cases nothing less then that of a superbody.
Magazines are full of men using everything possible to create these results with little to no work as possible and then blatantly promote them as results from hard work and smart nutrition.
These are called lies.
Unfortunately a normal body with some training is in society not seen as anything special.
To create anything worth looking at twice in todays world of overindulgence and pipe-dreams, one must use by-law forbidden drugs.
Anything else will fall short in achieving its goal of society appreciation and self-improved image.
Conclusion: GH15 (and most other experienced people) is purely stating the truth whether it is likeable or not. All others promoting and induldging in supplements are part of the marketing.
Well spoken.
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Layne seems like a great guy...I think I`d like to converse with him about bb in person.
I could give two fucks if he`s on anything,but I hope he`s not, solely because he competes as a natural bb..............somethin g he frowns upon is enhanced guys doing natty contests.
On the other hand,some of his lifts are among the best in the world which makes you think he`s taking a ton of shit,since no natty has ever lifted this much and his lifts are on par with the top guys who do juice.
I`m not naive,just don`t wanna` bash the guy as he gets enough shit.........I`ll keep my thoughts to myself considering his natural status,but he still seems like a pretty good dude to me regardless of whether he`s clean or not.
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matt c is stronger than layne on benchpress
matt c is one of the elite pound for pound naturals
show some respect or get banned
post reported >:(
not sure if serious
I thought Matt C got busted for using hormones?
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Layne seems like a great guy...I think I`d like to converse with him about bb in person.
I could give two fucks if he`s on anything,but I hope he`s not, solely because he competes as a natural bb..............somethin g he frowns upon is enhanced guys doing natty contests.
On the other hand,some of his lifts are among the best in the world which makes you think he`s taking a ton of shit,since no natty has ever lifted this much and his lifts are on par with the top guys who do juice.
I`m not naive,just don`t wanna` bash the guy as he gets enough shit.........I`ll keep my thoughts to myself considering his natural status,but he still seems like a pretty good dude to me regardless of whether he`s clean or not.
Layne has no problem with blatantly lying to impressionable children, has maintained his lies for years, and has even made a good deal of profit on it... He's not a 'good dude' and he deserves all the shit he gets (and more). He might not be megadosing, but he's clearly 'on'...
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N0. ANY0NE THAT DEADLIFTS 700 PLUS IS 0N A L0T 0F GEAR. IS THERE A Y0UTUBE LINK? LINK D0SEN'T W0RK.
IF! 700 pound deadlift is possible for a natural it is a result of 15 to 20 years of work and close to or over 300 pound bodyweight.
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laybe can lie to your face and be sincere because he has a mental disorder and profilts from his lies.
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This is how WEAK Layne was just a couple of years ago.
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This is how WEAK Layne was just a couple of years ago.
Pretty impressive really since every rep was from a dead stop with no bouncing...............p robably has a 550- 565 max or close to it.
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Your own inabillity to asses a physique and accurately estimate its numbers does not make it a law where no one can.
The more you are in an enviroment the more we all learn about it.
When I first came in the gym years ago I didn't know the difference between a brad pit body and my own at that time.
Now just by looking at people it is possible to estimate their weight, bodyfat % and even what they are using.
How is this possible? All steroids and drugs work in certain ways on a body, therefore all one needs to learn is the markers that these drugs are in use.
What GH15 is always saying is that training and even food are not the make-or-break factors in creating modern day bodies. It's the drugs.
This observation is 100% true.
I myself used to do the natural thing for years: eating perfect and boring, training hardcore and reading everything in sight.
6 months of HGH, test and at the end tren and the results are much better then all the years combined.
In addition there is now no need to do cardio that much or at all, food is inconsistent comparing to the old days and the training is at least 3 times shorter.
Building a body is like building a house, you can have all the plans ready, people working on it but with no 'assisted' materials (HGH and steroids) you WILL build a house but just like the houses of the 1950's.
Natural bodybuilding and its bodies have remained largely the same since the start of the sport, but enhanced bodies have made leaps of evolution only possible with these talked about drugs.
I always laugh when people like you and Matt C throw themselves into an argument like you are some sort of standard of measurement.
Who the F**k are you in the big picture? There are almost 7 million people on the planet. Your experience mean NOTHING in the big picture.
You are a message board big talker. No one knows or gives a f**k who you are. You personal experiences mean absolutely nothing.
You and all of the other nameless losers who have accomplished nothing on this board talk about Layne Norton. Think about it. At least lie like gh15 and tell us you are some world class achiever.
Even the "god of hormones" gh15 won't answer specifically how long he trained drug free. "A long time" is a specific as it gets. Yet, when talking about drugs or people, he gives you exact numbers and percentages.
I have to give him credit for being at least evasive. He could have lied and said 10 years or more. He's smart enough to not say 6 months because he knows he'll lose all creditably.
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Pretty impressive really since every rep was from a dead stop with no bouncing...............p robably has a 550- 565 max or close to it.
not really, i did 465 for a single in a trap bar when i was a sophomore in high school. i set the sophomore record. a real deadlift equivalent would probably be 295 as the trap bar's a world of difference, you know this, old man.
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Your own inabillity to asses a physique and accurately estimate its numbers does not make it a law where no one can.
The more you are in an enviroment the more we all learn about it.
When I first came in the gym years ago I didn't know the difference between a brad pit body and my own at that time.
Now just by looking at people it is possible to estimate their weight, bodyfat % and even what they are using.
How is this possible? All steroids and drugs work in certain ways on a body, therefore all one needs to learn is the markers that these drugs are in use.
What GH15 is always saying is that training and even food are not the make-or-break factors in creating modern day bodies. It's the drugs.
This observation is 100% true.
I myself used to do the natural thing for years: eating perfect and boring, training hardcore and reading everything in sight.
6 months of HGH, test and at the end tren and the results are much better then all the years combined.
In addition there is now no need to do cardio that much or at all, food is inconsistent comparing to the old days and the training is at least 3 times shorter.
Building a body is like building a house, you can have all the plans ready, people working on it but with no 'assisted' materials (HGH and steroids) you WILL build a house but just like the houses of the 1950's.
Natural bodybuilding and its bodies have remained largely the same since the start of the sport, but enhanced bodies have made leaps of evolution only possible with these talked about drugs.
Getbig translation: aany decent amount of muscle and lower body fat = drug use markers ::)
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not really, i did 465 for a single in a trap bar when i was a sophomore in high school. i set the sophomore record. a real deadlift equivalent would probably be 295 as the trap bar's a world of difference, you know this, old man.
Pretty impressive bro,actually I have never used a trap bar in my entire life.
I have tried it of course with light weight, but it felt weird to me so I never got into using it.
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Nothing wrong with showing off a pair of hefty 14 inchers.
It was to show what 14" arms look like. When people claim that Layne has 14" arms I think it's safe to say that should be refuted. His arms were over 17" like he said. By no means does Layne have small arms. Plus he was very close to contest condition that day.
matt,, stop with this balonie,, i start not liking you ,, lay nortom is hormonized to the jills for a decade! not for couple years,, his mesurements are close to 18 inch arm in condition ! this is same mesurments as reeves and zane proportionaly ,, same as rodrigez only lay has very bad genetic structure and built even on hormones,,
the thicknes that liar present ,, the condition and the size of muscles,, the offseason weight and size and the competition weight size and condition are all evident of hormonal usage and not something he has been doing for few weeks,, he is one of the utmost liars in the cult ,, i really dont like him and i start not liking you because you come off as FAKE,, both of you used! i stil claim you are the type of fella that can nto maintain usage and thats why you dont grow ....but in his case he dedicated himself to bodybuild and the intake of hormones only did it WHILE LIEING AND THEN BLUNTLY ASKING FROM FELLAS TO NOT COMPETE IN NATURAL ORGANIZATION IF THEY ARE HORMONIZED....why is that?? so he can win or have a chance to do better!
lastly ,, at the end like a good fake natural he pushed the junk supplements,,
im really mad at this video ,, go to muscular develop to post this balonie,,
gh15 approved
Well there are guys like Ronnie and Markus Ruhl and Dennis Wolf who are similar in height to Layne and literally 100 pounds heavier than him in the off-season and in contest.
If we can agree a certain individual is using or has used, the next question in my mind would be how much? It would seem clear he doesn't use as much as the three aforementioned pros, so what kind of cycles are we talking about? I have a friend who ran a few courses of M1T up until it got banned then some dbol in 2008. Three years later should he get bashed for using a few times here and there long in his past?
It's kind of like threads about Arnold's cycles - We will never know exactly what he used. We can speculate though. I'll also make a point to say that pretty well everyone who has Layne's size [and especially his strength] is on something. It's just that I happen to find Layne to be a very sincere and honest guy and he is quite adamant about not using. I've never had any reason to question his character which is the only reason why I was unsure about his possible use.
Matt C always always posts these Layne Norton threads to either:
a) throw Layne under the bus, start controversy, and get everyone to start accusing Layne of drugs
b) use the discussion as an opportunism to talk about his own natural strength and powerlifting abilities
Layne Norton does not take drugs.
gh15 wants to destroy any struggling person's beliefs they can get any results without "hormones" - the one thing in this world that makes him feel important, his supposed expertise, and claim to fame on this earth.
end of thread
I have found there is no way to have a Layne Norton thread on getbig without people immediately questioning his use of gear.
It's actually kind of interesting to see the evolution of hate on Layne to evolve over the years. I've been following his posts on the boards more or less since he initially started posting in 2001 on the BB.com boards. at first, the hate was about his physique. Here is Bob bashing an ironage Layne:
Layne, Layne, layne......
You have eyes, but you do not see....
You would be wise to adopt this method of cardio, as you don't have any muscle to spare, brother.....
keep following your "science and logic", Spock...you'll end up looking like you just got released from Auschwitz by the time you get on stage.
But at a certain point, I believe around 2006, Layne's physique got to the point where people stopped bashing him for it. Then from 2007-2010, Layne's strength got to the point where pretty well everyone admitted that Layne was stronger than they are.
So what's left to bash about Layne? His physique? His strength? His personal life [education/job/other]? No, none of those. What the topic of discussion is now is his status as a natural/user.
matt c is stronger than layne on benchpress
matt c is one of the elite pound for pound naturals
show some respect or get banned
post reported >:(
LOL!!!!!!!
Great post!!!
PS - Post this thread on MD and we will see the exact opposite trend. On getbig, anyone who claims or suggests that Layne is natural will get bashed. On MD, anyone who claims or suggests that Layne uses will get bashed. It's actually kind of funny. Is it a form of board group think? ;D
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So what's left to bash about Layne? His physique? His strength? His personal life [education/job/other]? No, none of those. What the topic of discussion is now is his status as a natural/user.
Layne gets bashed because he is an arrogant mother f**cker who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He disrespectfully dismisses everyone who disagrees with his nerdy science. It's like no one had any credibility before he came along. He prides himself on being the only source of reason when it come to bodybuilding. He doesn't treat people who don't agree with him respect. Then he cries like pussy when he's picked on all the time.
And because he is successful at what he does.
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Matt C always always posts these Layne Norton threads to either:
a) throw Layne under the bus, start controversy, and get everyone to start accusing Layne of drugs
b) use the discussion as an opportunism to talk about his own natural strength and powerlifting abilities
Layne Norton does not take drugs.
gh15 wants to destroy any struggling person's beliefs they can get any results without "hormones" - the one thing in this world that makes him feel important, his supposed expertise, and claim to fame on this earth.
end of thread
Great posts and arguments in this thread by you.
I'm sick of gh15 and his boys lately ganging up on anyone who drops the word "natural" and rip the poor bastard to shreds with insults and what not. Granted most of the so called naturals, esp. the ones that compete in that division and make a lot of noise about it deserve shit, but everyone is included in that group and no exceptions are allowed. The gh15 "pupils" are all experts in gauging who is juicing and what they are taking from just a couple of pics and their mind is so made up, any arguments by the person or a bystander is met with ::) and a shitload of abuse/insults.
Less than 1% here have a clue of what can be achieved naturally, although everyone is eager to tell you what they think, never mind the fact that they themselves looked like shit naturally (by their own admission) or took up juicing a few short weeks/months/years after they started lifting. gh15 has no clue what you can do naturally and his numbers of what is achievable are simply rule of thumbs that have exceptions.
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Three pages and counting!
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"matt" becomes cockier by the day.
Matt C and cock are synonymous.
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Layne gets bashed because he is an arrogant mother f**cker who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He disrespectfully dismisses everyone who disagrees with his nerdy science. It's like no one had any credibility before he came along. He prides himself on being the only source of reason when it come to bodybuilding. He doesn't treat people who don't agree with him respect. Then he cries like pussy when he's picked on all the time.
And because he is successful at what he does.
I have seen individual instances of Layne being cocky, although it's not the overall feeling I get from his posts or from talking to him. As an example, he made a cocky statement which precipitated his response from Bob that I previously posted. Layne's reply is here [scroll down]:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=233400
By Layne making that statement, he implied that Bob's article was not logical or scientific so I can understand why Bob was upset with it.
Other than that though, I think Layne is rather pleasant and open-minded when it comes to the science behind nutrition and other related topics and I haven't personally gotten an arrogant vibe from him. In person I asked him what he felt he could deadlift at any given time and he said he was pretty confident that at any time in the year he could deadlift 660, but obviously during contest mode his training gets more specific and dedicated to the deadlift and he lifts more. He could have easily claimed he did 750 in the gym or something like that but he was upfront about admitting that he has off days and that he doesn't necessarily train for a deadlift one rep max at all points in the year. He's also been helpful to me when I've asked him questions. Layne is always nice to me and I always look forward to seeing him. I can only really go based on how an individual has treated me personally and in Layne's case that is quite well.
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I have seen individual instances of Layne being cocky, although it's not the overall feeling I get from his posts or from talking to him. As an example, he made a cocky statement which precipitated his response from Bob that I previously posted. Layne's reply is here [scroll down]:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=233400
By Layne making that statement, he implied that Bob's article was not logical or scientific so I can understand why Bob was upset with it.
Other than that though, I think Layne is rather pleasant and open-minded when it comes to the science behind nutrition and other related topics and I haven't personally gotten an arrogant vibe from Layne. He's also been helpful to me when I've asked him questions. Layne is always nice to me and I always look forward to seeing him. I can only really go based on how an individual has treated me personally and in Layne's case that is quite well.
I am sure he's nice to you. Why is it that everyone in bodybuilding thinks the world revolves around them? I am sure a serial killer is nice to someone that hardly makes him nice.
You asked what it is about Layne that makes everyone want to bash him. That response and attitude toward Bob is typical of who Layne is as a person. It's not just one circumstance.
Layne is a self-admitted nerd from birth. All the praise, science, degrees, great lifts, success, and trophies will never change the inner core personality and self-image he learned growing up. It comes through in everything he does. The good thing is that it is the personality deficiencies in human psyches that drive them to overcompensate and achieve success. Truly happy and satisfied people never accomplish anything out of the ordinarily.
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Don`t sneaky supplement companies sometimes sneak a bit of roids in their products? I think Layne is natural and has not intended to use drugs, but may have ingested them accidentally a time or twelve due to his supplement usage. He is solely at the behest of the supplement manufacturer and whatever they decided to put or sneak in whatever particular batch he has ingested.
That of course may have never happened, but if he is not natural in any way, I think that is most likely the only way he would be unnatural as we do know he has had a history of supplement use.
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Let me also add that Layne also suffers from the same sort of fear based Social Mania as J-Rod, Jeff Rodriguez. Their image is so intertwined with their persona that they will never be unable to divorce the two from each other. Everything they have done to this point to build their bodies, no matter how irrational, dysfunctional and paranoid the steps are/were will have to continue as their compulsions have snowballed over the years and require such fulfillment to which there is no evidence of the ball ever slowing down.
Protein did not make these two, it was Extreme Obsessive Compulsive Order that enabled it all.
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It was to show what 14" arms look like. When people claim that Layne has 14" arms I think it's safe to say that should be refuted. His arms were over 17" like he said. By no means does Layne have small arms. Plus he was very close to contest condition that day.
Well there are guys like Ronnie and Markus Ruhl and Dennis Wolf who are similar in height to Layne and literally 100 pounds heavier than him in the off-season and in contest.
If we can agree a certain individual is using or has used, the next question in my mind would be how much? It would seem clear he doesn't use as much as the three aforementioned pros, so what kind of cycles are we talking about? I have a friend who ran a few courses of M1T up until it got banned then some dbol in 2008. Three years later should he get bashed for using a few times here and there long in his past?
It's kind of like threads about Arnold's cycles - We will never know exactly what he used. We can speculate though. I'll also make a point to say that pretty well everyone who has Layne's size [and especially his strength] is on something. It's just that I happen to find Layne to be a very sincere and honest guy and he is quite adamant about not using. I've never had any reason to question his character which is the only reason why I was unsure about his possible use.
I have found there is no way to have a Layne Norton thread on getbig without people immediately questioning his use of gear.
It's actually kind of interesting to see the evolution of hate on Layne to evolve over the years. I've been following his posts on the boards more or less since he initially started posting in 2001 on the BB.com boards. at first, the hate was about his physique. Here is Bob bashing an ironage Layne:
But at a certain point, I believe around 2006, Layne's physique got to the point where people stopped bashing him for it. Then from 2007-2010, Layne's strength got to the point where pretty well everyone admitted that Layne was stronger than they are.
So what's left to bash about Layne? His physique? His strength? His personal life [education/job/other]? No, none of those. What the topic of discussion is now is his status as a natural/user.
LOL!!!!!!!
Great post!!!
PS - Post this thread on MD and we will see the exact opposite trend. On getbig, anyone who claims or suggests that Layne is natural will get bashed. On MD, anyone who claims or suggests that Layne uses will get bashed. It's actually kind of funny. Is it a form of board group think? ;D
umm RUHL AND DENNIS W0LF TAKE MUCH M0RE THAN LAYNE AND ARE ALS0 0N MEGA D0SES 0F GH AND INSULIN. THERE Y0U G0 THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. ALS0, C0NTEST TIME LAYNE IS 195 LBS. C0NTEST TIME DENNIS W0LF IS AB0UT 260.
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Excellent point and 100% truth.
Anyone who knows anything about lifting, hormones and possibilities will see the truth.
The rest will continue to buy absolutely useless supplements because it's like religion, they believe in them.
Marketing rules 101: play into peoples feares and desires, make them think that there is a problem and as solution present your product.
Scared, knowledge-less, uneducated, unenlightened people are best consumers.
Nobody needs an educated, free-minded, own-opinionated, self-sufficient, healthy man or woman. They just are not good consumers and what good are you if you are not a consumer.
'Express yourself, be an individualist but do it through buying stuff, if possible our stuff'
Supplements are 99.6% useless and only basic protein is good in emergency cases. All else is marketing and lies.
good post.
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Let me also add that Layne also suffers from the same sort of fear based Social Mania as J-Rod, Jeff Rodriguez. Their image is so intertwined with their persona that they will never be unable to divorce the two from each other. Everything they have done to this point to build their bodies, no matter how irrational, dysfunctional and paranoid the steps are/were will have to continue as their compulsions have snowballed over the years and require such fulfillment to which there is no evidence of the ball ever slowing down.
Protein did not make these two, it was Extreme Obsessive Compulsive Order that enabled it all.
Another good post.
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Layne gets bashed because he is an arrogant mother f**cker who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. He disrespectfully dismisses everyone who disagrees with his nerdy science. It's like no one had any credibility before he came along. He prides himself on being the only source of reason when it come to bodybuilding. He doesn't treat people who don't agree with him respect. Then he cries like pussy when he's picked on all the time.
And because he is successful at what he does.
no!,, nortom get bashed and all the bad karma because he been using hormones from the first time in 2001 when he has the double bi picture on bodybuild.com,, he been using since then ,, he has used all through 2003 and in the years where it ws very easy to get in americana until the bgi bust of mexicana and operation rawdeal,, after that he used more inorder to have a chance to do damage,, his problem is his physiqe sucks no matter what his build is horrible that is why he has to be ultra lean in the 4-5 % inorder to look anything to write home about EVEN on hormones,, he is knowlegable about the usage ,, he is not as knowlgable as god of hormones about particulars and the overll aspect,, but he has enough hands on to know how to work with his body,,
what i do not like about nortom is the fact he is lieing ,, he dont just shut his mouth up ,, he is pure out lieing,, he will get a big big thing coming his way one of those days where he will be sorry for even strating bodybuild and hormones,, because some realy REALLY dont like him
gh15 approved
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umm RUHL AND DENNIS W0LF TAKE MUCH M0RE THAN LAYNE AND ARE ALS0 0N MEGA D0SES 0F GH AND INSULIN. THERE Y0U G0 THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. ALS0, C0NTEST TIME LAYNE IS 195 LBS. C0NTEST TIME DENNIS W0LF IS AB0UT 260.
FINALY SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW IT IS ! ,, see ,, someone with brain that is actualy natural...take a lok at this fella physiqe this is the absilit max you can get naturally matt c,, take a look at his physiqe and im pretty sure he is stronger than you too or than nortom is nortom was true natural which he is not!,,
but yes what this fella said is why someone has 50lb 60 lb more than others...and nortom is VERY big fella ,,he sits 230 and lean ! offseason ,, he compete close to 200lb at shredded 4% ,, i swear some fellas here are truly retards,, they are 5-6 same fellas but i guess they are gimicks of thre fake naturals who come to protect thsemlves,,
gh15 approved
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When Gimmicks Collide ::)
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no!,, nortom get bashed and all the bad karma because he been using hormones from the first time in 2001 when he has the double bi picture on bodybuild.com,, he been using since then ,, he has used all through 2003 and in the years where it ws very easy to get in americana until the bgi bust of mexicana and operation rawdeal,, after that he used more inorder to have a chance to do damage,, his problem is his physiqe sucks no matter what his build is horrible that is why he has to be ultra lean in the 4-5 % inorder to look anything to write home about EVEN on hormones,, he is knowlegable about the usage ,, he is not as knowlgable as god of hormones about particulars and the overll aspect,, but he has enough hands on to know how to work with his body,,
what i do not like about nortom is the fact he is lieing ,, he dont just shut his mouth up ,, he is pure out lieing,, he will get a big big thing coming his way one of those days where he will be sorry for even strating bodybuild and hormones,, because some realy REALLY dont like him
gh15 approved
gh15...can you even fathom for a moment that not everyone looks at the world through "steroid colored glasses" like you?
As someone else stated, you are no different than BayGBM thinking he can seduce any straight man into being gay like him! LOL :)
gh15 = drug, drugs,drugs
BayGBM = gay sex, gay, gay sex
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When Gimmicks Collide ::)
All whimper, no bang?
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Interesting things I've noticed about Layne. He is a pretty smart guy who also by the way seems to be dealing with some sort of mental illness. Just watch his training video's. Anyone with mental illness and who is in love with their own body as much as Layne would have zero problem using bodybuilding dope to look better. His elbows and factual structure seemed to have changed(grown) :-\ I wonder how much his feet have grown over the past few years? I predict over the next 5 years his elbows will look as bad as that Dickerson fella's.
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I predict over the next 5 years his elbows will look as bad as that Dickerson fella's.
And his feet will resemble that of a clown or Palumbo(same thing)
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Interesting things I've noticed about Layne. He is a pretty smart guy who also by the way seems to be dealing with some sort of mental illness. Just watch his training video's. Anyone with mental illness and who is in love with their own body as much as Layne would have zero problem using bodybuilding dope to look better. His elbows and factual structure seemed to have changed(grown) :-\ I wonder how much his feet have grown over the past few years? I predict over the next 5 years his elbows will look as bad as that Dickerson fella's.
Oh brother. ::)
Is that another sign of drug use, genius?
When you train the muscle for years and years, it will get shorten when it recovers no matter how much you stretch. It doesn't matter if you use drugs or not.
In time, the muscle attachment with somewhat shorten from the insertion and give that appearance.
Another sign of certain steroid use debunked.
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Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Casey Butt and Martin Berkam.
What do they have in common?
Now of course, most of the assorted morons here, whether spastics, bullshitters (or indeed "spastic bullshitters" such as Matt C) will have no idea of maximum human potential for mass gain; they will certainly exhibit fuck all reference, noteworthy cite, or other substantial evidence to support their claims.
As is herein observable this thread, we can however witness the manifest deluge of fuck all; a swirling vortex of insubstance accompanied by a goodly quanta of vague rhetorical faggotry about [for example] Layne "bullshitter" Norton! (Matt C sticks a menthol finger deep into his unwiped ass when thinking of his "man treat" Layne).
Anyhoo, back to the aforementioned experts, listed above.
What do they all - to a man - have to say?
Could it be "190 - 205lbs at approx 10% fat, at a height of 6ft"???
Why yes, it could:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html
But yes, some assholes on Getbig have performed anywhere near the degree of exhaustive analysis of the type performed by Casey Butt, vis a vis, natural bodybuilders?
Matt "fuckwit" Canning has, of course, carried out profound work pondering creatine loading or temporary glycogen supercompensation in the natural trainee?
Oh and, that would be a "no" for any spastics looking in. Indeed, if Matt C is the "gauge of gormless du jour" these clowns have done nothing more that wanked off about Layne, then eaten the entire shit-stained, worm suffused load!
Oh and, bear in mind, slag Canning is a mere 5'8" or thereabouts, so deduct a good 35lbs from that 205lbs at 10%
Hhahahahahahahaha, oh brother!
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Oh brother. ::)
Is that another sign of drug use, genius?
When you train the muscle for years and years, it will get shorten when it recovers no matter how much you stretch. It doesn't matter if you use drugs or not.
In time, the muscle attachment with somewhat shorten from the insertion and give that appearance.
Another sign of certain steroid use debunked.
What was Layne's shoe size his senior year of high school? And what is it now?
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I love it when the Getbig "heavyweights" ::) 90% of whom don't lift weights and have never posted a pic....hold a roundtable discussion on what the human body is capable of....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Casey Butt and Martin Berkam.
What do they have in common?
Now of course, most of the assorted morons here, whether spastics, bullshitters (or indeed "spastic bullshitters" such as Matt C) will have no idea of maximum human potential for mass gain; they will certainly exhibit fuck all reference, noteworthy cite, or other substantial evidence to support their claims.
As is herein observable this thread, we can however witness the manifest deluge of fuck all; a swirling vortex of insubstance accompanied by a goodly quanta of vague rhetorical faggotry about [for example] Layne "bullshitter" Norton! (Matt C sticks a menthol finger deep into his unwiped ass when thinking of his "man treat" Layne).
Anyhoo, back to the aforementioned experts, listed above.
What do they all - to a man - have to say?
Could it be "190 - 205lbs at approx 10% fat, at a height of 6ft"???
Why yes, it could:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html
But yes, some assholes on Getbig have performed anywhere near the degree of exhaustive analysis of the type performed by Casey Butt, vis a vis, natural bodybuilders?
Matt "fuckwit" Canning has, of course, carried out profound work pondering creatine loading or temporary glycogen supercompensation in the natural trainee?
Oh and, that would be a "no" for any spastics looking in. Indeed, if Matt C is the "gauge of gormless du jour" these clowns have done nothing more that wanked off about Layne, then eaten the entire shit-stained, worm suffused load!
Oh and, bear in mind, slag Canning is a mere 5'8" or thereabouts, so deduct a good 35lbs from that 205lbs at 10%
Hhahahahahahahaha, oh brother!
Hey Mr. Pedantic (look it up)
What the f**k are you trying to say?
Your point wasn't communicated effectively because you were trying so hard to be a smarty pants "wordsmith". ::)
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Lyle McDonald, Alan Aragon, Casey Butt and Martin Berkam.
What do they have in common?
They are all internet marketers who have entered the niche of bodybuilding with no real, in depth or length of experience.
As they were taught in internet marketing school: Be different. Be controversial to get noticed.
That and their entering the fitness business to MAKE MONEY selling information products is what they have in common.
Please tell me you don't really buy into their bullshit.
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What was Layne's shoe size his senior year of high school? And what is it now?
Well, you're the one bringing it into this argument creating the assumption it has dramatically changed.
Don't you know?
I have no idea.
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Norton looks great, and judging by the interview he seems to really have passion for training and nutrition.
That said I seriously think he is clean, for example, (http://www.unleashedbeasts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/188249_10150163653962975_54121287974_7973911_4825114_n-300x246.jpg)
and
(http://www.unleashedbeasts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/SLDL.jpg)
This physique is definitely achievable naturally and has a distinct look to it that screams natural. I cannot say for sure of course, but I seriously believe he is clean. Lifetime natural?? Who knows, but clean in the above pictures.
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Pretty impressive really since every rep was from a dead stop with no bouncing...............p robably has a 550- 565 max or close to it.
exactly so you think his max can go up 150 pounds in two years natural?
i think not wesly falcons
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I love it when the Getbig "heavyweights" ::) 90% of whom don't lift weights and have never posted a pic....hold a roundtable discussion on what the human body is capable of....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
And one of the biggest forum liars appears...
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And one of the biggest forum liars appears...
THIS
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it would suck have too feel you have to maintain some sort of ultra rippedness and size to impress other men in chat rooms
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it would suck have too feel you have to maintain some sort of ultra rippedness and size to impress other men in chat rooms
Jacking off to young hos in public pools, Senor?
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Jacking off to young hos in public pools, Senor?
now thats a great idea if i was a teacher sitting behind my desk with voyeur cams careful placed in strategic areas
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Pretty impressive really since every rep was from a dead stop with no bouncing...............p robably has a 550- 565 max or close to it.
Not at all imo. First off it's a trap bar deadlift which is easier than conventional, more a reverse quarter squat than a deadlift, and it's only 495x5. I rep more than that @ 175-177lbs conventional.
If he's *on* in that video, he's quite weak for someone who has been using hormones for a long time. If I had to say when he started using, I'd say it was perhaps three to six months before that video was recorded.
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And one of the biggest forum liars Members appears...
Thanks man :D
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Not at all imo. First off it's a trap bar deadlift which is easier than conventional, more a reverse quarter squat than a deadlift, and it's only 495x5. I rep more than that @ 175-177lbs conventional.
If he's *on* in that video, he's quite weak for someone who has been using hormones for a long time. If I had to say when he started using, I'd say it was perhaps three to six months before that video was recorded.
ManBearPig already mentioned this....I never really used a trap bar so I never realized it was so much easier.
Still learning a lot of stuff on a daily basis.
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exactly so you think his max can go up 150 pounds in two years natural?
i think not wesly falcons
Senor Falcon,you`re right......really can`t argue with that. :-\
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I am sure he's nice to you. Why is it that everyone in bodybuilding thinks the world revolves around them? I am sure a serial killer is nice to someone that hardly makes him nice.
You asked what it is about Layne that makes everyone want to bash him. That response and attitude toward Bob is typical of who Layne is as a person. It's not just one circumstance.
Layne is a self-admitted nerd from birth. All the praise, science, degrees, great lifts, success, and trophies will never change the inner core personality and self-image he learned growing up. It comes through in everything he does. The good thing is that it is the personality deficiencies in human psyches that drive them to overcompensate and achieve success. Truly happy and satisfied people never accomplish anything out of the ordinarily.
Fair points. I see what you mean regarding Layne's response to Bob although I do tend to follow Layne's career online and I still get an overall good impression of him. But as you said, the issue doesn't revolve around Layne's treatment of me personally.
Don`t sneaky supplement companies sometimes sneak a bit of roids in their products? I think Layne is natural and has not intended to use drugs, but may have ingested them accidentally a time or twelve due to his supplement usage. He is solely at the behest of the supplement manufacturer and whatever they decided to put or sneak in whatever particular batch he has ingested.
That of course may have never happened, but if he is not natural in any way, I think that is most likely the only way he would be unnatural as we do know he has had a history of supplement use.
It's quite possible. In 2007 I asked for a review tub of Gaspari's SIZEON and I got a pimple on my shoulder. I got pimples as a teenager but it was certainly not something I got after around 18 or so. Not to mention, the product worked so well that to this day I still wonder if the tub was spiked. It worked so well that I was angry at goatboy and others on here who insisted all supplements are useless.
Layne deadlifts 700 and squats around 550. Now that his strength is at the level where he surpasses the strength of 99% of juicers, people can no longer claim that he juices and has bad results. Now the hate on Layne has evolved to questioning his status. If he admitted to juicing, the hate would then evolve to calling him a liar and claiming he uses more.
The hate on Layne will never end. I think it boils down to the bitterness experienced by jocks when nerds begin surpassing them in terms of strength. Poetic justice maybe? :D
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They are all internet marketers who have entered the niche of bodybuilding with no real, in depth or length of experience.
As they were taught in internet marketing school: Be different. Be controversial to get noticed.
That and their entering the fitness business to MAKE MONEY selling information products is what they have in common.
Please tell me you don't really buy into their bullshit.
Layne Norton is no different than everything you've written above.
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Layne Norton is no different than everything you've written above.
I agree to an extent he is no different.
Layne is different because of his need for self-importance. He really believes in what he says and not money driven.
The other people just created a niche and difference with make money as their primary motive.
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I agree to an extent he is no different.
Layne is different because of his need for self-importance. He really believes in what he says and not money driven.
The other people just created a niche and difference with make money as their primary motive.
Do you really believe he is not money driven? He makes a living from bodybuilding, he cares about the mighty $$, don't think otherwise.
His whole push for bcaas for example, is done to promote the supplements from the company he is associated with.
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Do you really believe he is not money driven? He makes a living from bodybuilding, he cares about the mighty $$, don't think otherwise.
His whole push for bcaas for example, is done to promote the supplements from the company he is associated with.
An artist may sell his paintings for a living and make money. But his great art is oftentimes his primary motive. I think that's the case with Layne.
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Fair points. I see what you mean regarding Layne's response to Bob although I do tend to follow Layne's career online and I still get an overall good impression of him. But as you said, the issue doesn't revolve around Layne's treatment of me personally.
It's quite possible. In 2007 I asked for a review tub of Gaspari's SIZEON and I got a pimple on my shoulder. I got pimples as a teenager but it was certainly not something I got after around 18 or so. Not to mention, the product worked so well that to this day I still wonder if the tub was spiked. It worked so well that I was angry at goatboy and others on here who insisted all supplements are useless.
Layne deadlifts 700 and squats around 550. Now that his strength is at the level where he surpasses the strength of 99% of juicers, people can no longer claim that he juices and has bad results. Now the hate on Layne has evolved to questioning his status. If he admitted to juicing, the hate would then evolve to calling him a liar and claiming he uses more.
The hate on Layne will never end. I think it boils down to the bitterness experienced by jocks when nerds begin surpassing them in terms of strength. Poetic justice maybe? :D
the angry at nortom is simply due to the fact his muscle size is not natural ,, 17 inch conditioened arm liek his with no water between skin and muscle is always hormonized ,, and not only couple years but many many years,, infact 17 inch arm that HOLD water between skin and muscle is usualy hormonized depending on the over all size/thickness of the bodybuild
gh15 approved
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the angry at nortom is simply due to the fact his muscle size is not natural ,, 17 inch conditioened arm liek his with no water between skin and muscle is always hormonized ,, and not only couple years but many many years,, infact 17 inch arm that HOLD water between skin and muscle is usualy hormonized depending on the over all size/thickness of the bodybuild
gh15 approved
Why do you say the same damn thing over and over and over again even when it's out of context????????
We get it gh15. ::)
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Why do you say the same damn thing over and over and over again even when it's out of context????????
We get it gh15. ::)
it's because so many ppl do not see the truth, he has to repeat himself to get it through some teenagers or person living in outer spaces mind that layne is lying.
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Fair points. I see what you mean regarding Layne's response to Bob although I do tend to follow Layne's career online and I still get an overall good impression of him. But as you said, the issue doesn't revolve around Layne's treatment of me personally.
It's quite possible. In 2007 I asked for a review tub of Gaspari's SIZEON and I got a pimple on my shoulder. I got pimples as a teenager but it was certainly not something I got after around 18 or so. Not to mention, the product worked so well that to this day I still wonder if the tub was spiked. It worked so well that I was angry at goatboy and others on here who insisted all supplements are useless.
Layne deadlifts 700 and squats around 550. Now that his strength is at the level where he surpasses the strength of 99% of juicers, people can no longer claim that he juices and has bad results. Now the hate on Layne has evolved to questioning his status. If he admitted to juicing, the hate would then evolve to calling him a liar and claiming he uses more.
The hate on Layne will never end. I think it boils down to the bitterness experienced by jocks when nerds begin surpassing them in terms of strength. Poetic justice maybe? :D
N0 WE'RE HATING 0n LAYNE BECAUSE HE CLAIMS NATURAL WHEN HE'S N0T. IT HAS N0THING T0 D0 WITH HIS STRENGTH.
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N0 WE'RE HATING 0n LAYNE BECAUSE HE CLAIMS NATURAL WHEN HE'S N0T. IT HAS N0THING T0 D0 WITH HIS STRENGTH.
get a new freaking keyboard, what 10 15 dollars plz.
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Layne Norton is as natural as Wayne Newtons bleached ass crack
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Layne Norton is as natural as Wayne Newtons bleached ass crack
lol
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Layne on Super Human Radio:
http://www.superhumanradio.com/media/brx/BRX_Show_06232011.mp3
Sharp guy and I think he comes across as being humble. He's another guy who I don't understand the hate on.
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Layne on Super Human Radio:
http://www.superhumanradio.com/media/brx/BRX_Show_06232011.mp3
Sharp guy and I think he comes across as being humble. He's another guy who I don't understand the hate on.
ARE Y0U TR0LLING?
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ARE Y0U TR0LLING?
No, lol, I honestly don't get it.
Even if Layne made video blogs of himself injecting gear people would accuse him of lying and say he takes more than what is shown. I don't think there is any way for Layne to win this one. Whatever he says, people are going to say he is lying.
No one bashes him for his strength though.
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No, lol, I honestly don't get it.
Even if Layne made video blogs of himself injecting gear people would accuse him of lying and say he takes more than what is shown. I don't think there is any way for Layne to win this one. Whatever he says, people are going to say he is lying.
No one bashes him for his strength though.
BUT WE'RE N0T HATING F0R THAT. WE'RE HATING 0N HIM BECAUSE HE SAYS HE'S DRUG FREE AND SAYS IF Y0U C0MPETE IN TESTED SH0WS WHEN Y0U TAKE DRUGS THEN Y0U'RE A C0WARD BUT D0ES THE SAME THING HIMSELF.
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BUT WE'RE N0T HATING F0R THAT. WE'RE HATING 0N HIM BECAUSE HE SAYS HE'S DRUG FREE AND SAYS IF Y0U C0MPETE IN TESTED SH0WS WHEN Y0U TAKE DRUGS THEN Y0U'RE A C0WARD BUT D0ES THE SAME THING HIMSELF.
Fair enough. Maybe I'm naive, but I would say that no one knows but Layne himself. He is just under 5'11 and competes at around 200.
On getbig, if I say I think Layne looks natural I would get bashed, but on MD if I said Layne looks like he uses I would get bashed. ;D
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Fair enough. Maybe I'm naive, but I would say that no one knows but Layne himself. He is just under 5'11 and competes at around 200.
On getbig, if I say I think Layne looks natural I would get bashed, but on MD if I said Layne looks like he uses I would get bashed. ;D
i got to the conclusion you are out of your mind,, i start believing that w8 woman,, you kiss ass way too much to true hornizers and too long around this to just be so goolible and politicaly correct,, this is like alex but i think alex is joking around while you are truly serious
nortom is 200lb 5'10!! he is 230lb 9-10% 5'10!! he get on stage chizeled 195lb chizeled no water between skin and muscle ,,he try to sell videos of his sorry lieing piece of shit ass that no one buy and lie lie lie and lie some more,, bad bad things will come on his way for the many years of abuse he is doing to fellas around the world ,, and yes it is abuse because he lies his way into their pocket!
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i got to the conclusion you are out of your mind,, i start believing that w8 woman,, you kiss ass way too much to true hornizers and too long around this to just be so goolible and politicaly correct,, this is like alex but i think alex is joking around while you are truly serious
nortom is 200lb 5'10!! he is 230lb 9-10% 5'10!! he get on stage chizeled 195lb chizeled no water between skin and muscle ,,he try to sell videos of his sorry lieing piece of shit ass that no one buy and lie lie lie and lie some more,, bad bad things will come on his way for the many years of abuse he is doing to fellas around the world ,, and yes it is abuse because he lies his way into their pocket!
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can you send him special package delivery God of Hormones?
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i got to the conclusion you are out of your mind,, i start believing that w8 woman,, you kiss ass way too much to true hornizers and too long around this to just be so goolible and politicaly correct,, this is like alex but i think alex is joking around while you are truly serious
nortom is 200lb 5'10!! he is 230lb 9-10% 5'10!! he get on stage chizeled 195lb chizeled no water between skin and muscle ,,he try to sell videos of his sorry lieing piece of shit ass that no one buy and lie lie lie and lie some more,, bad bad things will come on his way for the many years of abuse he is doing to fellas around the world ,, and yes it is abuse because he lies his way into their pocket!
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Alright, so if Layne consumes gear, what sort of gear consumption are we talking about? He's pretty consistent in his strength year round and I don't think anyone is claiming he is using at the pro bodybuilding level, so what kind of use are we talking about? Cycles just around his contest time and that's it?
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all year long ,, he is a user of trenbolona ace ,,big big time user of trenbolona ace,, also ESTERLESS TRENBOLONA,,he uses halotestin,, he uses many other compounds such as nandrolone phnyl in the off time when 230 inorder to be able to save precious muscle so later he can diet into 195 and not end up dieting from 200 and end up 170....
he is one of the utmost all time longest liars in bodybuild cult for many years since 2001 ,, he was on my scope back then but i competed high level i couldnt open mouth much and gh15 wasnt around,,
that fella is stinky liar!
i shall name him the STINKER!,, both because of his build and because of his balonie lies
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all year long ,, he is a user of trenbolona ace ,,big big time user of trenbolona ace,, also ESTERLESS TRENBOLONA,,he uses halotestin,, he uses many other compounds such as nandrolone phnyl in the off time when 230 inorder to be able to save precious muscle so later he can diet into 195 and not end up dieting from 200 and end up 170....
he is one of the utmost all time longest liars in bodybuild cult for many years since 2001 ,, he was on my scope back then but i competed high level i couldnt open mouth much and gh15 wasnt around,,
that fella is stinky liar!
i shall name him the STINKER!,, both because of his build and because of his balonie lies
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plz send him special delivery package so he get's his name in the paper and looks like a complete fool.
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Liar.
Twister
Stinker
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all year long ,, he is a user of trenbolona ace ,,big big time user of trenbolona ace,, also ESTERLESS TRENBOLONA,,he uses halotestin,, he uses many other compounds such as nandrolone phnyl in the off time when 230 inorder to be able to save precious muscle so later he can diet into 195 and not end up dieting from 200 and end up 170....
he is one of the utmost all time longest liars in bodybuild cult for many years since 2001 ,, he was on my scope back then but i competed high level i couldnt open mouth much and gh15 wasnt around,,
that fella is stinky liar!
i shall name him the STINKER!,, both because of his build and because of his balonie lies
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LMA0. THAT'S FUCKING HILARI0US.
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1st thing, Layne doesn't have bad genetics. 2nd thing, I don't think he uses gear or ever has. In 2002 Layne weighed 215-220 in the offseason and competed at 185-190. 9 years later he weighs 230 offseason and competes at 200. People who say he been using for year or that he's taking tren, have obviously never been around the stuff. His strength and weight would be fluctuating all over the place and would probably be 250lbs.
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It is not just this stinker fellow selling kids a big lie it is a industry that spew lies lies and more lies every second from late night tv ab devices get ripped bullshit ads,youtube ab plans for sale that never work,Joe weeds anabolic mega packs put me in the hospt as a kid, I followed all the routines as a kid Joe weeds the trainer of champions,i would have peek biceps like Robinson,chest like Arni,legs like Platz,cuts like Nubret,I would be the next Mr.O,I was on Joe weeds maga packs and his super weight gain,said my prays worked out hard went to bed early,How could i miss,I was 16 years old,at 21 i would be on stage with them all.This all started on a trip to york barbell with my dad,a skinny young kid with a dream,I saved my paper rout money and bought the all in one york super bench and 200 lbs of iron and the york easy curl bar,Big Bob Hoff would make me King,16 turned to 17 and i went from a skinny 137 lbs to 147lbs strength and health magazine routines were not working,after all i was buying Big Bobs protein and weight gain with my paper rout monies and Big Bob promised big muscles fast,It was time to make a move and thats where The trainer of champs comes in( Joe Weeds) his mags had the real info big color pics of Arni,Franco,Zane and Robinson,Big Bob lied to me and took my money,Joe weeds would make it Right,I started with his Anabloic mega packs,filled out the form under big Lou feregs biceps and sent my money order checked the mail everyday till that magic moment arrived in a little box a 30 day supply,I held in my hands the key to the Mr.O stage,Thank you Mr. Joe Weeds for unleashing the secret that Bob Hoff never told,One magic box led to 6 magic boxes and the only change was a trip to the hospt and less money in this kids pocket,Docs thought i had chrons disease,till i showed them the mega packs and weight gain and the 10 or 12 other magic supps i was taken,Thanks Joe. I will finish my story soon. People ask who GH15 is? He is the truth of all bodybuilding coming Clean and the end of lies to young minds with big dreams,He is all bodybuilders that lied to young kids like Roach the coach twister when they look in the mirror and come clean with the lies for the sake of money they stole from us kids. Shame on all liars of this industry.
I hope you get brain cancer and die a slow death
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On getbig, if I say I think Layne looks natural I would get bashed, but on MD if I said Layne looks like he uses I would get bashed. ;D
You get bashed because you're an ass-kissing, closet fag, industry insider wannabe.
You justify your thinly veiled, perverse obsession with wearing a glittery thong and being ogled by old gay schmoes, as some form of acceptance within the "bodybuilding community".
In reality you're a skinny, penis-haircut wearing, polesmoker in training, from bumfuck Canadia. And no one believes that bullshit you peddle about winning national high school math awards. You've won fuck all, you've done fuck all.
Hope this helps.
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1st thing, Layne doesn't have bad genetics. 2nd thing, I don't think he uses gear or ever has. In 2002 Layne weighed 215-220 in the offseason and competed at 185-190. 9 years later he weighs 230 offseason and competes at 200. People who say he been using for year or that he's taking tren, have obviously never been around the stuff. His strength and weight would be fluctuating all over the place and would probably be 250lbs.
Just remember you are on a site where virtually no one has ever trained for 20 years straight without ever taking a layoff, have been super consistent with their diet, have decent genetics and not taken juice. They couldn't possibly conceive of a guy like Norton being clean because they have no idea what it would take. If I posted my pic right now, after not taking juice in close to 20 years..that Romanian Gimmick who pretends to be the Roid Guru and his mindless disciples would claim I'm a liar. This site is great for entertainment, but forget about any real discussion on what's achievable natural. You won't find it here.
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Just remember you are on a site where virtually no one has ever trained for 20 years straight without ever taking a layoff, have been super consistent with their diet, have decent genetics and not taken juice. They couldn't possibly conceive of a guy like Norton being clean because they have no idea what it would take. If I posted my pic right now, after not taking juice in close to 20 years..that Romanian Gimmick who pretends to be the Roid Guru and his mindless disciples would claim I'm a liar. This site is great for entertainment, but forget about any real discussion on what's achievable natural. You won't find it here.
NATURALS D0N'T KEEP PUTTING 0N MUSCLE F0R 20 YEARS.
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Assbruise.
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You get bashed because you're an ass-kissing, closet fag, industry insider wannabe.
You justify your thinly veiled, perverse obsession with wearing a glittery thong and being ogled by old gay schmoes, as some form of acceptance within the "bodybuilding community".
In reality you're a skinny, penis-haircut wearing, polesmoker in training, from bumfuck Canadia. And no one believes that bullshit you peddle about winning national high school math awards. You've won fuck all, you've done fuck all.
Tough, but fair.
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It is not just this stinker fellow selling kids a big lie it is a industry that spew lies lies and more lies every second from late night tv ab devices get ripped bullshit ads,youtube ab plans for sale that never work,Joe weeds anabolic mega packs put me in the hospt as a kid, I followed all the routines as a kid Joe weeds the trainer of champions,i would have peek biceps like Robinson,chest like Arni,legs like Platz,cuts like Nubret,I would be the next Mr.O,I was on Joe weeds maga packs and his super weight gain,said my prays worked out hard went to bed early,How could i miss,I was 16 years old,at 21 i would be on stage with them all.This all started on a trip to york barbell with my dad,a skinny young kid with a dream,I saved my paper rout money and bought the all in one york super bench and 200 lbs of iron and the york easy curl bar,Big Bob Hoff would make me King,16 turned to 17 and i went from a skinny 137 lbs to 147lbs strength and health magazine routines were not working,after all i was buying Big Bobs protein and weight gain with my paper rout monies and Big Bob promised big muscles fast,It was time to make a move and thats where The trainer of champs comes in( Joe Weeds) his mags had the real info big color pics of Arni,Franco,Zane and Robinson,Big Bob lied to me and took my money,Joe weeds would make it Right,I started with his Anabloic mega packs,filled out the form under big Lou feregs biceps and sent my money order checked the mail everyday till that magic moment arrived in a little box a 30 day supply,I held in my hands the key to the Mr.O stage,Thank you Mr. Joe Weeds for unleashing the secret that Bob Hoff never told,One magic box led to 6 magic boxes and the only change was a trip to the hospt and less money in this kids pocket,Docs thought i had chrons disease,till i showed them the mega packs and weight gain and the 10 or 12 other magic supps i was taken,Thanks Joe. I will finish my story soon. People ask who GH15 is? He is the truth of all bodybuilding coming Clean and the end of lies to young minds with big dreams,He is all bodybuilders that lied to young kids like Roach the coach twister when they look in the mirror and come clean with the lies for the sake of money they stole from us kids. Shame on all liars of this industry.
good post, but please use paragraphs next time so it's easier to read, you have tons of great points.
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Just remember you are on a site where virtually no one has ever trained for 20 years straight without ever taking a layoff, have been super consistent with their diet, have decent genetics and not taken juice. They couldn't possibly conceive of a guy like Norton being clean because they have no idea what it would take. If I posted my pic right now, after not taking juice in close to 20 years..that Romanian Gimmick who pretends to be the Roid Guru and his mindless disciples would claim I'm a liar. This site is great for entertainment, but forget about any real discussion on what's achievable natural. You won't find it here.
You said it right there. Maybe Stinker's physique is possible for a natural. But Stinker hasn't done it naturally.
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1st thing, Layne doesn't have bad genetics. 2nd thing, I don't think he uses gear or ever has. In 2002 Layne weighed 215-220 in the offseason and competed at 185-190. 9 years later he weighs 230 offseason and competes at 200. People who say he been using for year or that he's taking tren, have obviously never been around the stuff. His strength and weight would be fluctuating all over the place and would probably be 250lbs.
stop this balonie,, read again what gh15 says,, i pointed to time lines,, 2001 not 2002 ,, ofcourse he was 215lb ....he started in 2000 the process of hormonizing,, not 2002! ,,aside form that hormones are not always used to become big on scale!i keep tlein you that!,, in nortom case his genetic is HORRID,, he has probably the worst bodybuild genetic out there,, and i mean it ,, absolitly worse even if he tried he woudnt be able to look even close to a low level amatuer such as tropopin which is nothing to write home about just low level of the higher level amatuers,,
as i said before in few years it is common to gain for hormonizxed user 5-20lb somewhere there read the bible!,, yes that includes 10 years!,, natural never see the number 200lb on stage and he doesnt see the number 185 4% on stage either even if he really really want it even if he is 5'11 feet,,
nortom truly natural would be 165-170lb at about6% maybe sub 6 inbetween 5-6 closer to 6,, this was if he was truly natural and blessed with hard work and right timing of everything to the t! which ofcourse NO ONE DOES because no one has time because everyone need to live life unles money is given to you by your paretns btu even those fellas who get money from papa still have mental problems in life and need to face their dependency in diff ways and usualy are havign stres in life that wont let them be even 170lb 6% ...
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Please say your expert opinion on this God. :D
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Just remember you are on a site where virtually no one has ever trained for 20 years straight without ever taking a layoff, have been super consistent with their diet, have decent genetics and not taken juice. They couldn't possibly conceive of a guy like Norton being clean because they have no idea what it would take. If I posted my pic right now, after not taking juice in close to 20 years..that Romanian Gimmick who pretends to be the Roid Guru and his mindless disciples would claim I'm a liar. This site is great for entertainment, but forget about any real discussion on what's achievable natural. You won't find it here.
CLEAN IS NOT NATURAL ,, THE FACT NORTOM IS CLEAN FOR A DAY AND A HALF OR 5 DAYS ...PRIOR TO COMPETITION WHICH EVEN THAT HE IS NOT!,, DOESNT MEAN HE IS NATURAL OR CLEAN ,,
CLEAN IS STILL HORMONIZED,, IT IS NOT! NATURAL ,,
HIS GENETIC IS HORRIBLE,, IT HAS GH15 STAMP OF HORRIDABILITY ON IT,, HE CANT DO NOTHING EVEN IF WENT ON MEGA DOSES AND DECIDED TO GET OUT OF LYINGLAND....HIS FRAME IS HORRIBLE,,HE IS A LIAR AN UTMOST LIAR,, HE IS HATED FORO A REASON BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD EVER LIE LIK ETHIS WITH SMILY FACE WHERE HIS JOB IS NOT! MAKING MONEY OUT OF BODYBNUILD SINCE NORTOM IS NTO SOMEONE WHO WILL EVER GET ANYWHERE IN THE CULT WHEN TI COME TO BIG MONEY! WHAT HE IS DOING IS LIEING TO BROTHERS IN IRON ,,IT IS THE WORST ONE CAN DO ,,
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gh15's posts are honestly nothing short of amazing.
The only thing I would say though is that exceptions do exist. gh15 might say that 100% of pros use synthol when the actual percentage is 99.9%. ;D I know this sounds insignificant, but exceptions to things do exist.
If we accept Layne is consuming gear one thing remains: He is still stronger than the overwhelming majority of people who use gear. So say what you want about, user or not, he still beats most who use.
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his strength has less to do with hormones and much much more to do with tendoin and bone strength ,, his type of builds are the skinniest BONIEST fellas around ,,they are usualy thinner,, and hold average amount of bodyfat as in 15-18% at their average weight ...with OUT hormones,, they still lift very heavy due to tendoins and bone strength,,there are fellas like that,, he is one of them ,, he decideed to lie about hormones and try to make career out of his strength ,,there is one thing to make career out of strength and another one to lie lie lie and try to pas for natural when you are hormonized for very long time,,
strong ..he is
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his strength has less to do with hormones and much much more to do with tendoin and bone strength ,, his type of builds are the skinniest BONIEST fellas around ,,they are usualy thinner,, and hold average amount of bodyfat as in 15-18% at their average weight ...with OUT hormones,, they still lift very heavy due to tendoins and bone strength,,there are fellas like that,, he is one of them ,, he decideed to lie about hormones and try to make career out of his strength ,,there is one thing to make career out of strength and another one to lie lie lie and try to pas for natural when you are hormonized for very long time,,
strong ..he is
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Great post!!
I think there are enough small powerlifters and Olympic weightlifters who are very strong who can attest to that.
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stop this balonie,, read again what gh15 says,, i pointed to time lines,, 2001 not 2002 ,, ofcourse he was 215lb ....he started in 2000 the process of hormonizing,, not 2002! ,,aside form that hormones are not always used to become big on scale!i keep tlein you that!,, in nortom case his genetic is HORRID,, he has probably the worst bodybuild genetic out there,, and i mean it ,, absolitly worse even if he tried he woudnt be able to look even close to a low level amatuer such as tropopin which is nothing to write home about just low level of the higher level amatuers,,
as i said before in few years it is common to gain for hormonizxed user 5-20lb somewhere there read the bible!,, yes that includes 10 years!,, natural never see the number 200lb on stage and he doesnt see the number 185 4% on stage either even if he really really want it even if he is 5'11 feet,,
nortom truly natural would be 165-170lb at about6% maybe sub 6 inbetween 5-6 closer to 6,, this was if he was truly natural and blessed with hard work and right timing of everything to the t! which ofcourse NO ONE DOES because no one has time because everyone need to live life unles money is given to you by your paretns btu even those fellas who get money from papa still have mental problems in life and need to face their dependency in diff ways and usualy are havign stres in life that wont let them be even 170lb 6% ...
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Hahaha. I can't believe you still have people fooled that you actually know what you're talking about or that you're a retired pro. Now you're saying he's been on juice since he was 18? hahaha. What a joke. I met layne and even trained with him a few times from 2001-2003. No one on this board knew him back then. I've been around all sorts of kids from great genes to bad ones. I've been around all sorts of kids who used gear from ages 18-22 (college years) Layne never displayed 1 single thing to me that showed him as a user. No sides, no massive gain in strength/weight, nothing. He maybe put on 10 lbs in the 2-3 years i met him.
You saying he has bad genes is ridiculous. It's like when people used to always say how dorians genes were bad and that he just trained harder. (not that he has dorian's genes) Layne's shoulders are wide. His biceps have good peak and his triceps are really defined. His chest is thick. His genetics are poor is his quads but good in his hams and glutes. He's put on approx 25 lbs of contest weight in 10 years. If you've been around bbing you can see guys hop on gear for the first time and put on 15-20 in one year. I've never been around some who trains as hard as layne or focuses as much on nutrition as him. I obviously can never be 100% sure he's natural, but there's certainly more proof in his corner then there is yours.
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Hahaha. I can't believe you still have people fooled that you actually know what you're talking about or that you're a retired pro. Now you're saying he's been on juice since he was 18? hahaha. What a joke. I met layne and even trained with him a few times from 2001-2003. No one on this board knew him back then. I've been around all sorts of kids from great genes to bad ones. I've been around all sorts of kids who used gear from ages 18-22 (college years) Layne never displayed 1 single thing to me that showed him as a user. No sides, no massive gain in strength/weight, nothing. He maybe put on 10 lbs in the 2-3 years i met him.
You saying he has bad genes is ridiculous. It's like when people used to always say how dorians genes were bad and that he just trained harder. (not that he has dorian's genes) Layne's shoulders are wide. His biceps have good peak and his triceps are really defined. His chest is thick. His genetics are poor is his quads but good in his hams and glutes. He's put on approx 25 lbs of contest weight in 10 years. If you've been around bbing you can see guys hop on gear for the first time and put on 15-20 in one year. I've never been around some who trains as hard as layne or focuses as much on nutrition as him. I obviously can never be 100% sure he's natural, but there's certainly more proof in his corner then there is yours.
thats the problem ....you dont have a clue to what you ar talking about,, as i said before since 2001 even before he been on hormones,, his genetic is very very bad,, i mean VERY BAD ,,he is suited to bone strength those are the ones who fall into the vally of death when they stop lifting or even if they lift with no hormones they look like smoky bones ,, maybe i should call nortom smoky bones..sounds better,,
anyway,, to compare his genetic with dorian is shame ,, dorian had average genetic but superiro resopond to hormones ,,while smokybones didnt have either,, not godo genetic and not good respond to hormones... thus what he chose to go for CONDITION RATHER THAN SIZE BECAUSE HE CANT GAIN MAJOR SIZE,, HE CAN DO THE AVERAGE HORMONIZER COMPETITION WEIGHT OF 6' FEET 195 LB ... OR 5'10... 180...ASK LEAFY BUG FROM THIS BOARDING IF HE IS ON SOMETHING OR WAS ON SOMETHING LOL
as i said im never wrong ,, im god of hormones for a reason ,, i never get eliminated for a reason ,, what i say is absolit truth ,, wether you like it or not!
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as i said im never wrong ,, im god of hormones for a reason ,, i never get eliminated for a reason ,, what i say is absolit truth ,, wether you like it or not!
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agreed, why do ppl even challenge gh15 on this forum is nuts unless they are new.
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thats the problem ....you dont have a clue to what you ar talking about,, as i said before since 2001 even before he been on hormones,, his genetic is very very bad,, i mean VERY BAD ,,he is suited to bone strength those are the ones who fall into the vally of death when they stop lifting or even if they lift with no hormones they look like smoky bones ,, maybe i should call nortom smoky bones..sounds better,,
anyway,, to compare his genetic with dorian is shame ,, dorian had average genetic but superiro resopond to hormones ,,while smokybones didnt have either,, not godo genetic and not good respond to hormones... thus what he chose to go for CONDITION RATHER THAN SIZE BECAUSE HE CANT GAIN MAJOR SIZE,, HE CAN DO THE AVERAGE HORMONIZER COMPETITION WEIGHT OF 6' FEET 195 LB ... OR 5'10... 180...ASK LEAFY BUG FROM THIS BOARDING IF HE IS ON SOMETHING OR WAS ON SOMETHING LOL
as i said im never wrong ,, im god of hormones for a reason ,, i never get eliminated for a reason ,, what i say is absolit truth ,, wether you like it or not!
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lol @ smokeybones. THE 15 has done it again. Another good nickname.
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as i said im never wrong
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Yes you are...
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Yes you are...
He's wrong all the time. He's just another faceless coward. I've been around bbing message boards for over 10 years. Seen a lot of frauds come and go. Anyone remember SHOT on bodybuilding.com?
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This is how WEAK Layne was just a couple of years ago.
is this meant to be hard...??
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He's wrong all the time. He's just another faceless coward. I've been around bbing message boards for over 10 years. Seen a lot of frauds come and go. Anyone remember SHOT on bodybuilding.com?
I dont mind the guy personally, he may have all the knowledge in the world about drugs, but when it comes to natural bodybuilding, he is way off sometimes discrediting nearly everyone who claims natural including myself.
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The drug knowledge can be picked up hanging around steroid boards long enough. Many have done it and risen to popularity to be only found out as frauds later. I like how he's telling me layne was on gear when he was 18, having never even met him or been around him, when i met and trained with him in those years. It's comical
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The drug knowledge can be picked up hanging around steroid boards long enough. Many have done it and risen to popularity to be only found out as frauds later. I like how he's telling me layne was on gear when he was 18, having never even met him or been around him, when i met and trained with him in those years. It's comical
So what are you saying, that you know whether Smoky Bones was natural or not because you trained with him?? LOL
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So what are you saying, that you know whether Smoky Bones was natural or not because you trained with him?? LOL
I'm saying I know he was natural 2001-2003 for sure. I've been around a lot of young users and he had nothing that showed me he was using. No sides, no fluctuating weight/bodyfat/strength. Nothing.
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I'm saying I know he was natural 2001-2003 for sure. I've been around a lot of young users and he had nothing that showed me he was using. No sides, no fluctuating weight/bodyfat/strength. Nothing.
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That doesn't mean anything, he could be either low dose, non-aromatizing steroids or be a shitty responder, probably all three.
It's no problem to chose a long and steady approach with steroids, IMO it's much better than blowing up with water weight and losing a lot after a cycle.
Layne probably never had the goal to become a mass monster, so if he goes for the "quality muscle" approach, it still leaves enough room and enough substances to play with.
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That doesn't mean anything, he could be either low dose, non-aromatizing steroids or be a shitty responder, probably all three.
It's no problem to chose a long and steady approach with steroids, IMO it's much better than blowing up with water weight and losing a lot after a cycle.
Layne probably never had the goal to become a mass monster, so if he goes for the "quality muscle" approach, it still leaves enough room and enough substances to play with.
Oh god, forget it.
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Oh god, forget it.
Maybe you better forget it.
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Maybe you better forget it.
haha, thanks for tough talk. Maybe go get a life and stop wasting it posting on a message board.
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haha, thanks for tough talk. Maybe go get a life and stop wasting it posting on a message board.
same could be said about you. For me it's too late.
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same could be said about you. For me it's too late.
i've got 1100 posts in 8.5 years. I think i'm still safe.
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i've got 1100 posts in 8.5 years. I think i'm still safe.
good for you. ::) ::)
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i've got 1100 posts in 8.5 years.
and now no arguments left
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He's wrong all the time. He's just another faceless coward. I've been around bbing message boards for over 10 years. Seen a lot of frauds come and go. Anyone remember SHOT on bodybuilding.com?
fuckin retard ,,I MADE BODYBUILDING BOARDS,, I AM YOUR FUCKIN GOD,, kneel befor me you creep,,10 years lol who the fuck are you? i was there when you were sittting in yrou highschool class thinking about wether julie will come by your window that night for a blow job or not,, who THE FUCK ARE YOU TO COME BEFORE ME??
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That doesn't mean anything, he could be either low dose, non-aromatizing steroids or be a shitty responder, probably all three.
It's no problem to chose a long and steady approach with steroids, IMO it's much better than blowing up with water weight and losing a lot after a cycle.
Layne probably never had the goal to become a mass monster, so if he goes for the "quality muscle" approach, it still leaves enough room and enough substances to play with.
BRAVO!
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BRAVO!
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Damn, I'm learning fast.... ;D ;D ;D
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I'm saying I know he was natural 2001-2003 for sure. I've been around a lot of young users and he had nothing that showed me he was using. No sides, no fluctuating weight/bodyfat/strength. Nothing.
John McEnroe's tennis game got worse when he did steroids. Total non-responder. Smokeybones seems to like he may not respond to well either. However I do see a little bone growth. Wonder what his shoe size is these days compared to senior year in high school.
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I admit I still to this day go back and forth on my thoughts about Layne but if you talk to the man in person you will see he is a very honest man and is adamant about being natural. And I'm not concerned with him in his day having consumed some M1T's or something, I'm talking about consistent, regular use.
Hm, try back again tomorrow, the bandwidth has been exceeded.
Try this link instead:
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He looks pretty damn natural in this vid, no real pop to his muscles, juice muscle almost always looks pumped
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He looks pretty damn natural in this vid, no real pop to his muscles, juice muscle almost always looks pumped
Not true. Besides that some compounds don't give a constant pump, on top of that it's also nutrition.
If you go low-no carb, you can easily pass for someone totally different, lol. Maybe he just doesn't mind and likes to go depleted all the time?
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He looks pretty damn natural in this vid, no real pop to his muscles, juice muscle almost always looks pumped
Look at his fingers bro. Layne one of those guys that looks tiny in tshirts. He needs a wife beater on to know that he even works out. Totally flat most of the time. But natural, not a chance.
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what do you mean no pop? look at that arm ,,this is shrink wrap skin to muscle with no fat and no water...this is big time pop,, only smaller because genetic respond to hormone is sub average,, as simple as that,,
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fuckin retard ,,I MADE BODYBUILDING BOARDS,, I AM YOUR FUCKIN GOD,, kneel befor me you creep,,10 years lol who the fuck are you? i was there when you were sittting in yrou highschool class thinking about wether julie will come by your window that night for a blow job or not,, who THE FUCK ARE YOU TO COME BEFORE ME??
dis missed
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Fuck you cock smoker. You know jack shit about naturals. You hide behind a screen because it makes you feel good. Keep yourself in check before you get the taste slapped out of your mouth like the bitch you are. You didn't make the boards. You stupid fuck. The only thing you are ever worried about is who's cock you will suck next for some drugs
Now sit your ass down and shut up.
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there will be no natural bodybuild with out me ,,thats how sad you pathetic losers are lol
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and now no arguments left
I already made my argument. I'm not gonna get in a childish
Back and forth with a guy with 26000 posts.
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I already made my argument. I'm not gonna get in a childish
Back and forth with a guy with 26000 posts.
Loser.
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fuckin retard ,,I MADE BODYBUILDING BOARDS,, I AM YOUR FUCKIN GOD,, kneel befor me you creep,,10 years lol who the fuck are you? i was there when you were sittting in yrou highschool class thinking about wether julie will come by your window that night for a blow job or not,, who THE FUCK ARE YOU TO COME BEFORE ME??
dis missed
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Youre god of no one. Maybe a few losers on this board, but that doesnt mean shit. You're just another photoless coward behind a computer. There's been many before you and they'll
Be many after.
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again ,,for the million time,, there wont be anyone after me because i aint going anywhere .... your nightmare is here to stay,, and the followers are everywhere,,just go in your free time and type gh15 anywhere you want and see the results ...one fella did this all,, people are not dumb ,,they know when someone talk truth to them after years of being abused by fucktard such as yourself,, go back to sell thwm some peptide now or some research grey area products...go go now you need to pack it so you dont late....your company is LEGAL after all,,
i swear this all natural balonie got to end ,, we got to fuckin end that lie once and for all
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again ,,for the million time,, there wont be anyone after me because i aint going anywhere .... your nightmare is here to stay,, and the followers are everywhere,,just go in your free time and type gh15 anywhere you want and see the results ...one fella did this all,, people are not dumb ,,they know when someone talk truth to them after years of being abused by fucktard such as yourself,, go back to sell thwm some peptide now or some research grey area products...go go now you need to pack it so you dont late....your company is LEGAL after all,,
i swear this all natural balonie got to end ,, we got to fuckin end that lie once and for all
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this.
All this lying and bullshitting people is the biggest disappointment in bodybuilding for me.
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again ,,for the million time,, there wont be anyone after me because i aint going anywhere .... your nightmare is here to stay,, and the followers are everywhere,,just go in your free time and type gh15 anywhere you want and see the results ...one fella did this all,, people are not dumb ,,they know when someone talk truth to them after years of being abused by fucktard such as yourself,, go back to sell thwm some peptide now or some research grey area products...go go now you need to pack it so you dont late....your company is LEGAL after all,,
i swear this all natural balonie got to end ,, we got to fuckin end that lie once and for all
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Just like you fag box. Saying you don't suck cock for drugs. Saying you haven't taken a dick in the ass for a few $$$$ in order to buy your next shipment. Fuck off. 100% off all IFBB pros do that kind of shit....so, you are no exception (provided you really ARE a pro)
Again, simmer down Nancy.....or you will be seeing the back of my hand very shortly
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I like Layne,the guy trains his heart out and knows his shit,and he seems like a nice guy.
I for one could care less about his natural or enhanced status, but I gotta` give credit where it`s due.............he made vast improvements over the last few years.
Once I jumped off the "Bash And Hate Layne", bandwagon about 8 years ago and interacted with the guy online,he`s been really cool.
I was hating because I was like a fucking sheep,just following the flock !!
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I like Layne,the guy trains his heart out and knows his shit,and he seems like a nice guy.
I for one could care less about his natural or enhanced status, but I gotta` give credit where it`s due.............he made vast improvements over the last few years.
Once I jumped off the "Bash And Hate Layne", bandwagon about 8 years ago and interacted with the guy online,he`s been really cool.
I was hating because I was like a fucking sheep,just following the flock !!
I'm not a fan of his gym antics.
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I'm not a fan of how all the douche bags nowadays can brush everything off by saying "you are just a hater dude". ::)
I mean, if you criticize someone then yes, in some ways you are a hater. Announcing it doesn't nullify it. Idiots.
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I'm not a fan of his gym antics.
He gets a little carried away for sure,but it works for him...............dude`s stronger than hell.
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I'm not a fan of how all the douche bags nowadays can brush everything off by saying "you are just a hater dude". ::)
I mean, if you criticize someone then yes, in some ways you are a hater. Announcing it doesn't nullify it. Idiots.
I`m not saying everyone`s a hater,but the guy does catch a lot of shit for no reason at all...........probably in a lot of cases from jealous kids who don`t even train.
If anyone doesn`t like him,that`s their perogative,but he`s OK in my book, and my book is the only one that matters to me.
I don`t agree with everything he says,but that`s what makes the world go `round.
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I'm not a fan of how all the douche bags nowadays can brush everything off by saying "you are just a hater dude". ::)
I mean, if you criticize someone then yes, in some ways you are a hater. Announcing it doesn't nullify it. Idiots.
Very true. And every time someone calls out a so called "hater" it actually gives the "hater" or professional troll a psychological advantage. It shows weakness in anyone who is trying to come across as strong or put together. History shows that these people are barely hanging on by a string in life. Which of course makes it that much more Lolz.
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do you see how liar priest disapear into obscurity slowly ? you do see it hapening right? no one talk about him ,, he is in australia or god knows where,, his physiqe look like shadow of his former self,, he is hormonized to max and cant dial anything in because th elean muscle that was once there is not ...you see everything that happen to him now? this is exactly! what will hapen to smokeybones the problem that smokybones faces is ...he didnt make no money in the cult ,, no one woudl remember some liar natural no matter how much he lift,, and! in few short years he is goins down physiqe wize from very sub average physiqe...then he will have to up the dose or do something drastic or simply become like another older weakling natural due to age... you will see you will see,, i think more of the found jesus ala chiwawa style and jeff style...i say it will be something with jesus or some teaching or something that will give him the excuse to run on his life from the cult due to aging,, the problem is...he didnt make A MARK because! everyone knows he lies
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do you see how liar priest disapear into obscurity slowly ? you do see it hapening right? no one talk about him ,, he is in australia or god knows where,, his physiqe look like shadow of his former self,, he is hormonized to max and cant dial anything in because th elean muscle that was once there is not ...you see everything that happen to him now? this is exactly! what will hapen to smokeybones the problem that smokybones faces is ...he didnt make no money in the cult ,, no one woudl remember some liar natural no matter how much he lift,, and! in few short years he is goins down physiqe wize from very sub average physiqe...then he will have to up the dose or do something drastic or simply become like another older weakling natural due to age... you will see you will see,, i think more of the found jesus ala chiwawa style and jeff style...i say it will be something with jesus or some teaching or something that will give him the excuse to run on his life from the cult due to aging,, the problem is...he didnt make A MARK because! everyone knows he lies
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spot on as usual.
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do you see how liar priest disapear into obscurity slowly ? you do see it hapening right? no one talk about him ,, he is in australia or god knows where,, his physiqe look like shadow of his former self,, he is hormonized to max and cant dial anything in because th elean muscle that was once there is not ...you see everything that happen to him now? this is exactly! what will hapen to smokeybones the problem that smokybones faces is ...he didnt make no money in the cult ,, no one woudl remember some liar natural no matter how much he lift,, and! in few short years he is goins down physiqe wize from very sub average physiqe...then he will have to up the dose or do something drastic or simply become like another older weakling natural due to age... you will see you will see,, i think more of the found jesus ala chiwawa style and jeff style...i say it will be something with jesus or some teaching or something that will give him the excuse to run on his life from the cult due to aging,, the problem is...he didnt make A MARK because! everyone knows he lies
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Ok..and then so what makes you better, what have you accomplished, and why are you here?
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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oh brother...have you ever thought of going natural?
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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FACT
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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AWESOME
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Quote from: gh15 on July 01, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
fuckin retard ,,I MADE BODYBUILDING BOARDS,, I AM YOUR FUCKIN GOD,, kneel befor me you creep,,10 years lol who the fuck are you? i was there when you were sittting in yrou highschool class thinking about wether julie will come by your window that night for a blow job or not,, who THE FUCK ARE YOU TO COME BEFORE ME??
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Fuck you cock smoker. You know jack shit about naturals. You hide behind a screen because it makes you feel good. Keep yourself in check before you get the taste slapped out of your mouth like the bitch you are. You didn't make the boards. You stupid fuck. The only thing you are ever worried about is who's cock you will suck next for some drugs
Now sit your ass down and shut up.Fuck you cock smoker. You know jack shit about naturals. You hide behind a screen because it makes you feel good. Keep yourself in check before you get the taste slapped out of your mouth like the bitch you are. You didn't make the boards. You stupid fuck. The only thing you are ever worried about is who's cock you will suck next for some drugs
Now sit your ass down and shut up.
Great post Krankenstein, a little brutal but great nonetheless! ;D
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Smokey Bones= liar
Jim Cordova = super liar
Skip Lacour= biggest liar
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im the flash light to your face in a dark alley,, im the crow that sits on the tree when you leave the house at 5 pm,, im the mirror that look back at you in the bathroom,, and im the lion who sits before the gates of hell
for i,, am god of hormones
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I LOVE YOU ,MENG ( NO HOMO)
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Layne has told me he has never even THOUGHT about using gear.
I feel there is no way for Layne to win approval on here. If he claimed he did pro-hormones back when they were available people would say he did something more recent. If he said he has used more recently but only here and there, people would say he used more often. And if he said he used often and described it all in detail, people would say he uses more than he says he does. No matter what he says, people will call him a liar.
I think I'll be asking Layne for deadlift advice soon. He's a machine.
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http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/8a0f94ab424b06d172ca/ifbb-pro-dan-hill-phoenix-pro-diary-day-17-18 (http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/8a0f94ab424b06d172ca/ifbb-pro-dan-hill-phoenix-pro-diary-day-17-18)
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Layne has told me he has never even THOUGHT about using gear.
I feel there is no way for Layne to win approval on here. If he claimed he did pro-hormones back when they were available people would say he did something more recent. If he said he has used more recently but only here and there, people would say he used more often. And if he said he used often and described it all in detail, people would say he uses more than he says he does. No matter what he says, people will call him a liar.
I think I'll be asking Layne for deadlift advice soon. He's a machine.
you are very naive.. or it's an act ..
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you are very naive.. or it's an act ..
Layne eats well consistently and has a great structure for deadlift. I think if I had arms as long as his that my deadlift would be 50 pounds heavier than it is now. I go back and forth as to whether or not Layne uses - and I don't mean a cycle or two in his 10+ year history training. I'm talking about consistent use and specifically use during his contests. A cycle of M1T in 2004 or something like that isn't going to affect his performance today.
But the fact is this: Whether Layne uses or not, he is stronger than almost everyone on this board bashing him, whether they use or not. So if people have an issue with Layne because they think he's a liar, fine, but very few people on here if anyone can claim that he is not as strong as they are. Natural or otherwise, he is impressive.
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Layne eats well consistently and has a great structure for deadlift. I think if I had arms as long as his that my deadlift would be 50 pounds heavier than it is now. I go back and forth as to whether or not Layne uses - and I don't mean a cycle or two in his 10+ year history training. I'm talking about consistent use and specifically use during his contests. A cycle of M1T in 2004 or something like that isn't going to affect his performance today.
But the fact is this: Whether Layne uses or not, he is stronger than almost everyone on this board bashing him, whether they use or not. So if people have an issue with Layne because they think he's a liar, fine, but very few people on here if anyone can claim that he is not as strong as they are. Natural or otherwise, he is impressive.
you are officially dumb in my book honestly
one cannot be THIS stupid
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Layne has told me he has never even THOUGHT about using gear.
Wow now we really know how deep he is in his lies. Everyone thinks about using at some point, even if it's just a silly "what if?" thought experiment.
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layne doesnt believe in steroids
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you are officially dumb in my book honestly
one cannot be THIS stupid
Matt C is the dumbest and most naive getbigger EVER.
you are right, one cannot be THIS stupid.
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Matt C is the dumbest and most naive getbigger EVER.
you are right, one cannot be THIS stupid.
yet he keeps on going... I don't mean to insult him but I refuse to believe a human being can be this oblivious
he also had a mega thread where he put pics with huge oiled bodybuilders with erection while posting comments like " wow..that's big" yet claims not to be a penis lover
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yet he keeps on going... I don't mean to insult him but I refuse to believe a human being can be this oblivious
he also had a mega thread where he put pics with huge oiled bodybuilders with erection while posting comments like " wow..that's big" yet claims not to be a penis lover
Matt C is clearly homosexual, and that's not the only thing he's totally delusional about.
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Layne has told me he has never even THOUGHT about using gear.
this proves to me that he is a liar
any man that works out consistently (especially one as obsessed as layne) thinks about using gear
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this proves to me that he is a liar
any man that works out consistently (especially one as obsessed as layne) thinks about using gear
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100% spot on.
No way anyone in BB could not think about doing gear. Some people might never do it, but they are recreational lifters. Anyone who thinks Norton could be natural probably believes in Santa Claus as well.
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this proves to me that he is a liar
any man that works out consistently (especially one as obsessed as layne) thinks about using gear
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THINK ABOUT IT?? those fuckin kidos fantasize about it more than fuckin their 18 year old wet dream from highschool,, you shoudl see the way they treat what they get.. with hands of a mother!! they take the little pinkies anabols they put it under the light....they check for any defects,, they make sure they just lay it on the bed to smile at it and be friends with it for a while,, then they put it into a bottle very very carefully ...you know the centrum bottle insted of the centrum viatmins...and they make sure its in a coool place ,,and every few hours they walk into the cabinet and look at it to see how the baby is doing away from his mama....maybe it needs diaper change? maybe it needs feeding,, maybe it is too cold and lost his pinkish undertones,,, you shoudl see how they presusly cherich what they get my friend
and the oilsssss ,, they wil make sure they dont shake it too hard because you know...it might distrube the molacular volocity of the inner calmness of the powder inside the oil,,
you should see how much fellas use and abuse and especialy in the beggining worship! hormones,, they treat them better than they treat their girlfriend,, MUCH BETTER,,
some fellas are collectors,,,they will build the most amazing cycles you can imagiune and never start them ...they will buy and buy and buy and buy just to put it infront fo them and smile at it and have inner happiness seeing the oil in teh ampola smile at them back
THIS CULT IS FUCKED UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ! ! !
gh15 approved
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THINK ABOUT IT?? those fuckin kidos fantasize about it more than fuckin their 18 year old wet dream from highschool,, you shoudl see the way they treat what they get.. with hands of a mother!! they take the little pinkies anabols they put it under the light....they check for any defects,, they make sure they just lay it on the bed to smile at it and be friends with it for a while,, then they put it into a bottle very very carefully ...you know the centrum bottle insted of the centrum viatmins...and they make sure its in a coool place ,,and every few hours they walk into the cabinet and look at it to see how the baby is doing away from his mama....maybe it needs diaper change? maybe it needs feeding,, maybe it is too cold and lost his pinkish undertones,,, you shoudl see how they presusly cherich what they get my friend
and the oilsssss ,, they wil make sure they dont shake it too hard because you know...it might distrube the molacular volocity of the inner calmness of the powder inside the oil,,
you should see how much fellas use and abuse and especialy in the beggining worship! hormones,, they treat them better than they treat their girlfriend,, MUCH BETTER,,
some fellas are collectors,,,they will build the most amazing cycles you can imagiune and never start them ...they will buy and buy and buy and buy just to put it infront fo them and smile at it and have inner happiness seeing the oil in teh ampola smile at them back
THIS CULT IS FUCKED UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ! ! !
gh15 approved
lol that must be pretty funny to see ;D
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THINK ABOUT IT?? those fuckin kidos fantasize about it more than fuckin their 18 year old wet dream from highschool,, you shoudl see the way they treat what they get.. with hands of a mother!! they take the little pinkies anabols they put it under the light....they check for any defects,, they make sure they just lay it on the bed to smile at it and be friends with it for a while,, then they put it into a bottle very very carefully ...you know the centrum bottle insted of the centrum viatmins...and they make sure its in a coool place ,,and every few hours they walk into the cabinet and look at it to see how the baby is doing away from his mama....maybe it needs diaper change? maybe it needs feeding,, maybe it is too cold and lost his pinkish undertones,,, you shoudl see how they presusly cherich what they get my friend
and the oilsssss ,, they wil make sure they dont shake it too hard because you know...it might distrube the molacular volocity of the inner calmness of the powder inside the oil,,
you should see how much fellas use and abuse and especialy in the beggining worship! hormones,, they treat them better than they treat their girlfriend,, MUCH BETTER,,
some fellas are collectors,,,they will build the most amazing cycles you can imagiune and never start them ...they will buy and buy and buy and buy just to put it infront fo them and smile at it and have inner happiness seeing the oil in teh ampola smile at them back
THIS CULT IS FUCKED UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ! ! !
gh15 approved
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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THINK ABOUT IT?? those fuckin kidos fantasize about it more than fuckin their 18 year old wet dream from highschool,, you shoudl see the way they treat what they get.. with hands of a mother!! they take the little pinkies anabols they put it under the light....they check for any defects,, they make sure they just lay it on the bed to smile at it and be friends with it for a while,, then they put it into a bottle very very carefully ...you know the centrum bottle insted of the centrum viatmins...and they make sure its in a coool place ,,and every few hours they walk into the cabinet and look at it to see how the baby is doing away from his mama....maybe it needs diaper change? maybe it needs feeding,, maybe it is too cold and lost his pinkish undertones,,, you shoudl see how they presusly cherich what they get my friend
and the oilsssss ,, they wil make sure they dont shake it too hard because you know...it might distrube the molacular volocity of the inner calmness of the powder inside the oil,,
you should see how much fellas use and abuse and especialy in the beggining worship! hormones,, they treat them better than they treat their girlfriend,, MUCH BETTER,,
some fellas are collectors,,,they will build the most amazing cycles you can imagiune and never start them ...they will buy and buy and buy and buy just to put it infront fo them and smile at it and have inner happiness seeing the oil in teh ampola smile at them back
THIS CULT IS FUCKED UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ! ! !
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lol ;D
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it's true tho :o
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THINK ABOUT IT?? those fuckin kidos fantasize about it more than fuckin their 18 year old wet dream from highschool,, you shoudl see the way they treat what they get.. with hands of a mother!! they take the little pinkies anabols they put it under the light....they check for any defects,, they make sure they just lay it on the bed to smile at it and be friends with it for a while,, then they put it into a bottle very very carefully ...you know the centrum bottle insted of the centrum viatmins...and they make sure its in a coool place ,,and every few hours they walk into the cabinet and look at it to see how the baby is doing away from his mama....maybe it needs diaper change? maybe it needs feeding,, maybe it is too cold and lost his pinkish undertones,,, you shoudl see how they presusly cherich what they get my friend
and the oilsssss ,, they wil make sure they dont shake it too hard because you know...it might distrube the molacular volocity of the inner calmness of the powder inside the oil,,
you should see how much fellas use and abuse and especialy in the beggining worship! hormones,, they treat them better than they treat their girlfriend,, MUCH BETTER,,
some fellas are collectors,,,they will build the most amazing cycles you can imagiune and never start them ...they will buy and buy and buy and buy just to put it infront fo them and smile at it and have inner happiness seeing the oil in teh ampola smile at them back
THIS CULT IS FUCKED UP FROM THE INSIDE OUT ! ! !
gh15 approved
LOL!! fucking...LOL!!
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you are officially dumb in my book honestly
one cannot be THIS stupid
This is honestly hilarious to me. On getbig if one merely speculates they think Layne may be natural, they get bashed. On MD, if one merely speculates that Layne has used, they get bashed! When I claimed Layne looked like he uses on MD, look at the responses I got [copy and paste]:
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96505-Good-Job-Layne-Norton-The-NGA-Universe!?p=2256992&highlight=#post2256992
Am I in the Twilight Zone? Is this real life? ???
As my deadlift approaches - and will soon surpass - 500 pounds at 160s body weight, it is becoming clear to me that strength isn't nearly as dependent on muscle size as I once thought. There's way more to it than size alone. Thus Layne's 700 deadlift is no longer the shock to me it once was and I no longer use it as evidence of Layne's gear usage. As for his physique, he is just under 5'11 and competes at around 200. So according to getbig, what is the maximum size a person can compete at naturally? 5'11 and 180? I think some of you forget the illusion conditioning creates.
I get that Layne's physique and strength would suggest gear usage and it would be perfectly reasonable to assume he uses, I'm merely saying he is not Ronnie Coleman. There is room for doubt either way, but as I proved with the MD thread above, even to merely think Layne is natural or a user will get you bashed depending on what board you are posting on. It's as hilarious to me as it is bewildering. On MD, people seem to think he looks natural [copy and paste]:
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96505-Good-Job-Layne-Norton-The-NGA-Universe!?p=2255493&viewfull=1#post2255493
So what does one need to be - 220 pounds in contest shape to merely look like they are using gear? Yeah, I'm sure all people who use gear are over 200 in contest condition. ::) 99% of juicers are smaller than Layne, thus making it reasonable to assume he uses, but I'm simply saying I have room for doubt. A cycle or two over his 10+ year training history vs. more frequent use vs. constant use is also another issue of debate. It would be one thing if Layne used a bit in the past, I'm interested in knowing what extent he is currently using, if any.
225X25?????
Ah, you barely did 18 in the vid, and your form from the start, back and ass off the bench, doesn't count. Try doing Levrone way, and I bet you'll be lucky to get 10 or 12.
Oh brother. ::)
Yes Kevin, I did do 225 for reps on Tuesday with strict form and you are right, I did not get 19 as my old video showed - I got 23.
I swear some people on here think any amount of strength or size is impossible without running gear. I was going to post a video of my new one rep max trap bar record of 550, but what's the point? You can never prove yourself enough on this board.
I think Layne was right to make a generic statement about gear usage and simply repeat it when asked. He can never win. A person who thinks Layne may not be using on this board is considered crazy while a person who thinks Layne may be using on MD is considered crazy. That's just odd.
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This is honestly hilarious to me. On getbig if one merely speculates they think Layne may be natural, they get bashed. On MD, if one merely speculates that Layne has used, they get bashed! When I claimed Layne looked like he uses on MD, look at the responses I got [copy and paste]:
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96505-Good-Job-Layne-Norton-The-NGA-Universe!?p=2256992&highlight=#post2256992
Am I in the Twilight Zone? Is this real life? ???
As my deadlift approaches - and will soon surpass - 500 pounds at 160s body weight, it is becoming clear to me that strength isn't nearly as dependent on muscle size as I once thought. There's way more to it than size alone. Thus Layne's 700 deadlift is no longer the shock to me it once was and I no longer use it as evidence of Layne's gear usage. As for his physique, he is just under 5'11 and competes at around 200. So according to getbig, what is the maximum size a person can compete at naturally? 5'11 and 180? I think some of you forget the illusion conditioning creates.
I get that Layne's physique and strength would suggest gear usage and it would be perfectly reasonable to assume he uses, I'm merely saying he is not Ronnie Coleman. There is room for doubt either way, but as I proved with the MD thread above, even to merely think Layne is natural or a user will get you bashed depending on what board you are posting on. It's as hilarious to me as it is bewildering. On MD, people seem to think he looks natural [copy and paste]:
http://forums.musculardevelopment.com/showthread.php/96505-Good-Job-Layne-Norton-The-NGA-Universe!?p=2255493&viewfull=1#post2255493
So what does one need to be - 220 pounds in contest shape to merely look like they are using gear? Yeah, I'm sure all people who use gear are over 200 in contest condition. ::) 99% of juicers are smaller than Layne, thus making it reasonable to assume he uses, but I'm simply saying I have room for doubt. A cycle or two over his 10+ year training history vs. more frequent use vs. constant use is also another issue of debate. It would be one thing if Layne used a bit in the past, I'm interested in knowing what extent he is currently using, if any.
Oh brother. ::)
Yes Kevin, I did do 225 for reps on Tuesday with strict form and you are right, I did not get 19 as my old video showed - I got 23.
I swear some people on here think any amount of strength or size is impossible without running gear. I was going to post a video of my new one rep max trap bar record of 550, but what's the point? You can never prove yourself enough on this board.
I think Layne was right to make a generic statement about gear usage and simply repeat it when asked. He can never win. A person who thinks Layne may not be using on this board is considered crazy while a person who thinks Layne may be using on MD is considered crazy. That's just odd.
Man, you're obsessed with Layne. You need to move on and focus on things that actually matter.
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Man, you're obsessed with Layne. You need to move on and focus on things that actually matter.
How am I any more obsessed with Layne than anyone posting on here? The only difference is that I take a slightly different view. That being I don't know for certain he uses. New Layne interview:
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How am I any more obsessed with Layne than anyone posting on here? The only difference is that I take a slightly different view. That being I don't know for certain he uses. New Layne interview:
Well...according to our resident Romanian genius...Mr. Cleanest Natural..It's perfectly plausible that Lizard Men from alternate dimensions live among us on earth and control the minds of many humans. He finds it very easy to believe in bizarre phenomena that basically any scientist or rational person would laugh at. But the possibility that Layne Norton could actually not be on Steroids? Now that...is totally beyond the realms of possibility.. Intergalactic Lizard men here on earth? Yes definitely..A drug free Layne Norton? Nope Totally impossible. Now there's logic for you. ;D
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I don't think he's lying. Just really obsessed. Suprised he hasn't injured himself more than he has lifting the weights he does being natural.
Delts is a telltale if natural or not usually. He doesn't have that swole juicerdelts.
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How am I any more obsessed with Layne than anyone posting on here? The only difference is that I take a slightly different view. That being I don't know for certain he uses. New Layne interview:
How? Let's see.......how many Layne related threads have you made in the last 2 years? I saw 3 here at least and that is not counting MD and other boards, so its not just this thread. You constantly post about him and obsess about if he is natural or not. You search and look at his videos all the time and proof to that is this "new interview" you posted...I didn't even know it existed.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I couldn't care less about him..I made 1 post here before the one addressing you and that's it...
Seriously, you need to stop obsessing about him, focus on your own things.
Does Layne pay you to go to other boards and post about him? I mean, what do these videos have to do with my post and your response to it? Now that I think about it, you just try to promote his name out there.
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Layne Norton got picked on a lot when he was younger. This is what drove him to the iron game.
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How? Let's see.......how many Layne related threads have you made in the last 2 years? I saw 3 at least here and that is not counting MD and other boards, so its not just this thread. You constantly post about him and obsess about if he is natural or not. You search and look at his videos all the time and proof to that is this "new interview" you posted...I didn't even know it existed.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I couldn't care less about him..I made 1 post here before the one addressing you and that's it...
Seriously, you need to stop obsessing about him, focus on your own things.
Does Layne pay you to go to other boards and post about him? I mean, what do these videos have to do with my post and your response to it? Now that I think about it, you just try to promote his name out there.
LOL .. you're talking to Matt .. he's oblivious to how obsessed and gay he is .. he thinks he's normal and everyone else is strange ::)
He will keep his threads bumped as much as he can here so he can link to them on his dead board .. the only reason he comes to Getbig is to get things to post on his board and post as many references to his site as he can while he's here .. that's after he's done using gimmicks over there to post oiled men with and without their thongs and viewed his own stupid youtubes 100 times so the count goes up
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Good interview!
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Good interview!
You actually bothered to watch all 3? :-X
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Yeah,I got no life! :)
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someone shoudl bann this matt c from this baording for real ,, this is obsession ,, and more importantly MISGUIDING!,, there is a reason nortom doesnt come here,, he knows that if he did he would be put to shame,, very easy to sit and lie to kids,, harder to come before god of hormone and ask forgivness,, this fella sit and lie ,,as simple as that,, he sit and lie,,
THICK FACE! lean body! = user of hormones,, he used orald and injects,, he doesnt even go one way ,, he use everything in the arsenal to advance which he cant because his genetic respond lack! ,, the fact he say to you fellas that you can gain 20lb and then 10 lb naturally ....yes if you malnurished!! you only gain up to up to upppp to! 7 lb naturaly every years and it gets much much smaller after the first 2 years,,
the type of gains he talk about the 5 lb the 2.5 lb every year of lean muscle...IS THE GAINS WE HORMONIZED BODYBUILD GET!! NOT TRUE NATURALS!,,
by the way he look unhealthy,, i suggest warmly for him to be checked WARMLY ,, he look like there is problem with kidnys ,, now remember everything i say usualy happen ,, and im telling you here that this fella may very well suffer kidny problem as of now! ,,this is not just oral face look of the purplish nature and the puffed or thick look of face anadrola causes you ,, this is also not the dianabola pffiness in face,, this is more of a water problem that come from kidny and diuretic usage,, if i was really a mean hearted fella i wouldnt say a word about it ,, but since matt c here warship the kid ,,and since the kid read every word i say i WARMLY SUGGEST TO be very careful ..the kidnys are not in a good place nortom
no response needed ,,
gh15 approved
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haha layne norton is the man matt c would have wanted to be so bad. But he has no education, a shity 9bucks an hour job , is shorter, smaller, uglier, dumber... His attempts at imitating him making youtube videos about his natural lifts nobody gives a fuck about are pathetic...
Sad.
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How? Let's see.......how many Layne related threads have you made in the last 2 years? I saw 3 here at least and that is not counting MD and other boards, so its not just this thread. You constantly post about him and obsess about if he is natural or not. You search and look at his videos all the time and proof to that is this "new interview" you posted...I didn't even know it existed.
I can't speak for everyone here, but I couldn't care less about him..I made 1 post here before the one addressing you and that's it...
Seriously, you need to stop obsessing about him, focus on your own things.
Does Layne pay you to go to other boards and post about him? I mean, what do these videos have to do with my post and your response to it? Now that I think about it, you just try to promote his name out there.
Let me put my 2 cents here as an amateur psychologist
Matt C PRETENDS to be a Layne supporter but is massively jealous of him
He posts these with the direct intent to get Layne BASHED
He'll post in the middle of one of these long threads "Layne uses drugs?"
He also uses Layne's name to draw attention is his "comparable" deadlift strength and videos.
Matt C - Shut the F*uck up and quit using Layne for your ulterior motives!
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Good interview!
x2 I liked it
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someone shoudl bann this matt c from this baording for real ,, this is obsession ,, and more importantly MISGUIDING!,, there is a reason nortom doesnt come here,, he knows that if he did he would be put to shame,, very easy to sit and lie to kids,, harder to come before god of hormone and ask forgivness,, this fella sit and lie ,,as simple as that,, he sit and lie,,
THICK FACE! lean body! = user of hormones,, he used orald and injects,, he doesnt even go one way ,, he use everything in the arsenal to advance which he cant because his genetic respond lack! ,, the fact he say to you fellas that you can gain 20lb and then 10 lb naturally ....yes if you malnurished!! you only gain up to up to upppp to! 7 lb naturaly every years and it gets much much smaller after the first 2 years,,
the type of gains he talk about the 5 lb the 2.5 lb every year of lean muscle...IS THE GAINS WE HORMONIZED BODYBUILD GET!! NOT TRUE NATURALS!,,
by the way he look unhealthy,, i suggest warmly for him to be checked WARMLY ,, he look like there is problem with kidnys ,, now remember everything i say usualy happen ,, and im telling you here that this fella may very well suffer kidny problem as of now! ,,this is not just oral face look of the purplish nature and the puffed or thick look of face anadrola causes you ,, this is also not the dianabola pffiness in face,, this is more of a water problem that come from kidny and diuretic usage,, if i was really a mean hearted fella i wouldnt say a word about it ,, but since matt c here warship the kid ,,and since the kid read every word i say i WARMLY SUGGEST TO be very careful ..the kidnys are not in a good place nortom
no response needed ,,
gh15 approved
THIS. NATURALS D0N'T GAIN 5LBS 0F MUSCLE EVERY YEAR F0R 10 YEARS.