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You are a socialist/communist yourself - so of course you roll your eyes.
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You are a socialist/communist yourself - so of course you roll your eyes.
You put up 2 videos from the 1980's on Diversion techniques....I'm rolling my eyes because it has nothing to do with Obama.
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You put up 2 videos from the 1980's on Diversion techniques....I'm rolling my eyes because it has nothing to do with Obama.
Yes it does since the technigues he discusses are directly out of what he is discussing, and he discussed your kind to a tee.
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1:08:00 on you obamunists!
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It must suck having such a bitter life.
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It must suck having such a bitter life.
Yeah - good job disputing what he discusses.
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I don't waste 3 seconds watching your stupid ass videos. What makes you think I am going to watch 2.5 hours of them?
Just because you hate your life and don't value your time, that doesn't mean everyone does too.
If this is all you got to cry about now, then you got a long week of whining to do.
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I don't waste 3 seconds watching your stupid ass videos. What makes you think I am going to watch 2.5 hours of them?
Just because you hate your life and don't value your time, that doesn't mean everyone does too.
If this is all you got to cry about now, then you got a long week of whining to do.
LOL - so you can't refute the point by point presentation he makes that mirror what obama is doing, yet you have time to hurl insults at others.
You are, what Bezemov says - a "useful idiot" for the obamunists.
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Considering you regularly spew nearly all of the cliches and bogus platitutudes he discusses, I see the messaging has worked perfectly on the useful idiots of of the left.
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Considering you regularly spew nearly all of the cliches and bogus platitutudes he discusses, I see the messaging has worked perfectly on the useful idiots of of the left.
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So which techniques is he using?
Btw your ignorant insanity has reached new heights in the last few weeks.
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"Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization"
Interview with Yuri Bezmenov (ex-KGB)
by Edward Griffin - 1984
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This shocking video transcription exposes KGB's subversive tactics against western society. In this interview, Yuri Bezmenov explains how Marxist ideology is deconstructing America's values, destabilizing the economy, and provoking crises in order to sovietize the free world. Some of the videos below are from different portions of the same interview. (We removed the earlier links to Youtube since they no longer worked)
Yuri Bezmenov on demoralization
Bezmenov on Marxists, useful idiots
Bezmenov on American mass media
Bezmenov on KGB interest in yoga, brainwashing
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Partial Transcript:
ED GRIFFIN: Well, you spoke before about "ideological subversion" and that's a phrase that I'm afraid some Americans don't understand. When the Soviets use the phrase "ideological subversion" what do they mean by it?
1. YURI BEZMENOV: Ideological subversion is the process which is legitimate and open. You can see it with your own eyes.... It has nothing to do with espionage.
I know that intelligence gathering looks more romantic.... That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first one being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years required to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generation of American students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American patriotism....
The result? The result you can see ... the people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, and educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can't get through to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.
In other words [for] these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.
ED: And yet these people who have been programmed and as you say [are] in place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept - these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country?
YURI: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see in [the] future what the beautiful society of EQUALITY and social justice means in practice, obviously they will revolt. They will be very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they will join the [ranks] of dissenters; dissidents. Unlike the present United States there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America. [Now] you can get popular like Daniel Elsburg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda for being a dissident [and] for criticizing your Pentagon. In [the] future these people will simply be [he makes a squishy noise] squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the government. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful [and] noble ideas of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be the greatest shock for them, of course.
The demoralization process in the United States is basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
The next stage is destabilization.... It only takes 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. This time what matters is essentials; economy, foreign relations, [and] defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some... sensitive areas such as defense and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14 years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast.
Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system train another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime. False. United States is in a state of war; undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not Comrade Andropov of course - it's the system. However, ridiculous it may sound, [it is] the world Communist system, or the world Communist conspiracy. Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot. If you're not scared by now, nothing can scare you.
ED: Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American people?
YURI: Well, the immediate thing that comes to mind is, of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of REAL patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them the real danger of socialist, communist, welfare state, Big Brother government.... The moment at least part of [the] United States population is convinced that the danger is real, they have to FORCE their government... to stop aiding Communism.
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I didn't tell you cut and paste you dumb ass. Make a real case or run away like a coward like you usually do.
What a stupid ass.
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I didn't tell you cut and paste you dumb ass. Make a real case or run away like a coward like you usually do.
What a stupid ass.
Watch the first video and it speaks for itself.
Create class warfare and conflict by selling ideas of "equality" and "fairness"
Collapse the system with unsustainable policies.
put all faith in a "messiah" figure to create "equality" and "justice"
"Noramilzation" to where marxism becomes tyhe norm and its ideals fester all over the place.
"Set up massive unelected govt bureacracies to deal with most important issues.
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LOL - so you can't refute the point by point presentation he makes that mirror what obama is doing, yet you have time to hurl insults at others.
You are, what Bezemov says - a "useful idiot" for the obamunists.
I don't have to refute anything. You have proven over and over and over again that your "points" are nothing more than delusional bullshit or outright fabrications.
If Beach, George, or Skip had posted something like this, I would be inclined to watch it. You? Hell no. You have no credibility on here at all. You can't even support your dumb ass cut and paste crap without having to rely on ANOTHER cut and paste hack to do so. So I am not wasting a single second on your bullshit. Especially when you have already openly admitted here on the board that you will post anything, even if it is false, just to get a cheap shot in.
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Watch the first video and it speaks for itself.
Create class warfare and conflict by selling ideas of "equality" and "fairness"
Collapse the system with unsustainable policies.
put all faith in a "messiah" figure to create "equality" and "justice"
"Noramilzation" to where marxism becomes tyhe norm and its ideals fester all over the place.
"Set up massive unelected govt bureacracies to deal with most important issues.
Yeah you might have a slim case, a very slim case, mostly based on pure spin IF we didn't have elections every 4 years for president and every 2 for congress.
But keep trying chicken little.
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Chicken little the cut and paste paranoid dream queen.
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Chicken little the cut and paste paranoid dream queen.
LOL - that is this guys flow chart.
But wallow in your naive leftist bullshit - its fun to watch a supposed adult still so blind to reality.
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LOL - that is this guys flow chart.
But wallow in your naive leftist bullshit - its fun to watch a supposed adult still so blind to reality.
I think it's funner to watch a Birther slip into to a loony abyss.
Seriously 3333333, yu have lost it. Seek help.
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This thread is so stupid and far fetched I think it almost needs to go to the CT board.
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This thread is so stupid and far fetched I think it almost needs to go to the CT board.
Yeah - its CT that a former KGB Agent explains detail by detail the techniques of marxists to advance their agenda through class warfare, racial conflict, ever expanding definitions of "fairness" and "equality", unsustainable social welfare debt, longing for messiah figures, etc.
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Yeah - its CT that a former KGB Agent explains detail by detail the techniques of marxists to advance their agenda through class warfare, racial conflict, ever expanding definitions of "fairness" and "equality", unsustainable social welfare debt, longing for messiah figures, etc.
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I don't waste 3 seconds watching your stupid ass videos. What makes you think I am going to watch 2.5 hours of them?
Just because you hate your life and don't value your time, that doesn't mean everyone does too.
If this is all you got to cry about now, then you got a long week of whining to do.
Haha. Spot on!
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Until you show exactly how the OB admin without a flurry of cut and paste is using KGB techniques to collapse America this thread is going to the CT board in a couple of hours along with he sheriff joe nonsense ( which is over due anyway)
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Until you show exactly how the OB admin without a flurry of cut and paste is using KGB techniques to collapse America this thread is going to the CT board in a couple of hours along with he sheriff joe nonsense ( which is over due anyway)
Every single speech and policy he promotes emphasizes class warfare, racial conflict, division, false illusions of "equality" and "fairness", promotion of unsustainable policies, bigger and bigger govt control over larger and larger portions of the economy, conflict w religion, conflict with employers, conflict with producers, promises of "FREE" stuff to everyone so long as they give up their freedom, etc etc,
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Every single speech and policy he promotes emphasizes class warfare, racial conflict, division, false illusions of "equality" and "fairness", promotion of unsustainable policies, bigger and bigger govt control over larger and larger portions of the economy, conflict w religion, conflict with employers, conflict with producers, promises of "FREE" stuff to everyone so long as they give up their freedom, etc etc,
You are going have to do much better than that. I didn't ask you to regurgitate your initial argument.
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You are going have to do much better than that. I didn't ask you to regurgitate your initial argument.
That is the road to communism and marxism, sorry it hits so close to home with you.
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That is the road to communism and marxism, sorry it hits so close to home with you.
Fail.
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Fail.
Really?
Goals from the communist party 1963
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Communist Goals (1963)
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Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Thursday, January 10, 1963
Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
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Tic toc tic toc.
Com back to reality 3333333
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Tic toc tic toc.
Com back to reality 3333333
Its in the congressional record and most of those goals are actively pursued by obama and far leftists.
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The most important tool of Communism is the demoralization, ideological subversion or psychological warfare of a Nation.[[2]]
Subversion is defined as “a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within”. In this case, American ideology, philosophy and foundational principles, in short, our political system has been slowly, quietly, methodically undermined for decades on three separate fronts, academia, the press and the courts.
Once a nation falls under this brainwashing process, its citizens are unable to change the perception of reality, despite the abundance of information provided through the media (Internet / Broadcasting / Newspapers).
Basically, the citizens are unable to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, the other citizens or even their own country. The process starts with the nation’s young. American students of all generations since the year 1960 have been exposed to Marxism ideology without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of American patriotism.
The next step in the brainwashing process is to reach the few movie makers, who are gluttonous, self-centered and lack moral principles.
These movie makers would aid in the demoralization process by teaching the young not to listen to their parents. To do what “feels good” not what is right. To accept violence as a way of life as well as encouraging atheism and apathy.
The press also has been infiltrated by liberals who’s job is to misinform and push the Socialist agenda.
In our courts, the roll of activist judges, those who legislate their personal ideology from the bench, rather than enforce written law or defend the Constitution they are sworn to defend.
The other process is to destabilize a nation by weakening the nations’ economic system, political system, and defense system.
The next phase is to bring the nation to the verge of a crisis. A crisis, comes in many ways: economic, health, political, terrorism, global, etc…
The last phase is normalization. This is when an elite leader or an elite group promise to save the nation from the evil forces and save them from the crisis the nation is going through. Making all kinds of promises to the masses and in return the citizens succumb to a bigger government that only gives the elite leader and the elite group more control over its citizens. With the powers given to this elite group, they would then take the nation to the path of a Marxist Utopia.
When Americans no longer know that they live in a representative republic based on Judeo Christian principles, rather than a simple secular democracy, no longer know or care what the difference is between the two, that’s a problem. When they no longer recognize that America’s greatness is built and dependent upon a capitalist economic system and could not have been built any other way, our entire political system has indeed been undermined.
Socialist/Communist principles summarized: “An economic system in which the production and distribution of goods are controlled substantially by the government rather than by private enterprise, and in which cooperation rather than competition guides economic activity”.
The demoralization process in America has been at work since the 1960’s but please, don’t take my word on it, do your own research. WAKE UP AMERICA! It’s ok to be patriotic….
Upon exiting the Constitutional Convention Benjamin Franklin was approached by a group of citizens asking what sort of government the delegates had created. His answer was: “A republic, if you can keep it.” The brevity of that response should not cause us to under-value its essential meaning: democratic republics are not merely founded upon the consent of the people, they are also absolutely dependent upon the active and informed involvement of the people for their continued good health.”
[1] http://history.howstuffworks.com/cold-war/communism1.htm
[2] Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS – and the KGB)
Edward Griffin and Yuri Bezmenov ^ | 1984 | Edward Griffin and Yuri Bezmenov
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I don't have to refute anything. You have proven over and over and over again that your "points" are nothing more than delusional bullshit or outright fabrications.
If Beach, George, or Skip had posted something like this, I would be inclined to watch it. You? Hell no. You have no credibility on here at all. You can't even support your dumb ass cut and paste crap without having to rely on ANOTHER cut and paste hack to do so. So I am not wasting a single second on your bullshit. Especially when you have already openly admitted here on the board that you will post anything, even if it is false, just to get a cheap shot in.
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So your ass kicking can continue?
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Why?
So your ass kicking can continue?
MMK wanted to see the video
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Maybe just include a LINK to it in the thread he ask? Ever thought of that?
No, guess not. It would require more than 2 brain cells.
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Maybe just include a LINK to it in the thread he ask? Ever thought of that?
No, guess not. It would require more than 2 brain cells.
You sound like Himdenberg.