O-Twink loses gun control vote - LOL!!!!!!!

[Soul Crusher]

This is treasonous on the part of Obama.

Obama could care less.  He believes his progressive ideaology should trump all constraints placed on him by the USC

[Coach is Back!]

This is treasonous on the part of Obama.

I've been trying to tell you since 2008.

[Straw Man]

Barack Obama can't pass gun control despite 90 per cent support. Truly, he is a lame-duck president




By Tim StanleyUS politicsLast updated: April 18th, 2013

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Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public and came on the back of the tragedy at Newtown. Yet, despite all that it had going for it, the Toomey-Manchin bill raised just 54 votes – six short of the number necessary for passage. “This is a pretty shameful day for Washington,” said Obama afterwards. It wasn’t exactly a red letter day for him, either.
 
Why did the no-brainer bill fail? Four reasons:
 
1. It wasn’t the political priority that its supporters presumed it was. Yes, Newtown shocked the nation – but the top priority for the public remains the economy. According to Gallup, only 4 per cent of Americans think that gun control is the “most important problem facing the country today”.
 
2. The National Rifle Association is smarter than we all thought. In the wake of Newtown it scored a number of own goals, including a disastrous press conference and floating the idea of armed guards in schools. But Blake Zeff argues that its extremism was calculated, that its goal was to shift the gravity of debate away from the centre ground and towards the Right – compelling Democrats to talk seriously about armed guards and stop talking about banning whole classes of weapons. The NRA, even by farce, transformed the discussion to its advantage.
 
3. The Democrats are dumber that we all thought. Blake Zeff, again, makes a compelling case that the Dems screwed up when they declined to rally behind a more comprehensive gun control bill – conceding leadership of the debate to the Right within their party. This is a familiar story: liberals tend to be less ambitious and tenacious than their conservative rivals.
 
4. Barack Obama is a lame-duck president. Nobody listens to what he says anymore, nobody is interested in winning his approval and nobody much cares if he thinks they have “let the country down”. This is typical for a second-term president who has lost all their leverage because they’re no longer running for office and everybody is patiently waiting for the day when he quits the White House. But Obama's difficult personality has doubled the size of the challenge. Gloating in victory, adolescent in defeat – the Prez doesn’t make it easy to work with him. Why should conservative senators give him a legislative victory after he has spent four years painting them as knuckle-dragging rednecks who hate women and the poor?
 
Whatever your position on gun control, yesterday’s events are a damning indictment of Obama’s presidency – a flash of style, lots of soaring rhetoric and, when the votes are actually counted, little show for any of it. America has four more years of this lame-duck president telling them that it has let him down. If only he could tear up the Constitution and rule by diktat he might save himself a little disappointment. Alas, American democracy is a stickler for rules.

so 90% of the public supports the legislation and the Repubs decide filibuster it and you blame Obama

Tell us exactly how Obama is supposed to prevent a filibuster by Repubs who put their allegiance to corporate interests ahead of overwhelming public support

[Soul Crusher]

so 90% of the public supports the legislation and the Repubs decide filibuster it and you blame Obama

Tell us exactly how Obama is supposed to prevent a filibuster by Repubs who put their allegiance to corporate interests ahead of overwhelming public support

If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed. 

[24KT]

If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed. 

I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?

[Soul Crusher]

I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?

60% hated obamacare and they rammed that through. 

the fact is that the bill was a complete farce and a waste of time. 

Obama is just pissed off he cant blame on the GOP since 4 democrats voted against it.

He needs to STFU and go away.  He is a loser, a bitch, a liar, and a thug. 

[Straw Man]

If the public supported it by 90% then it would have passed. 

from your own article:

Yesterday, the most modest of gun control proposals died in the Senate. It would have expanded background checks to people purchasing weapons at gun shows and online sales, enjoyed 90 per cent support among the public

now tell us exactly how the POTUS us supposed to stop a filibuster in the senate?

[Straw Man]

I would say the public if polled would be 90% in favour of removing all taxes completely.
Do you think that would ever pass?

you can say it all you want but it's highly doubtful to almost certainly false

just look at the public support for increasing taxes on the wealthy and then explain how 90% of the public is suddenly going to be in favor of removing all taxes completely

[Soul Crusher]

from your own article:

now tell us exactly how the POTUS us supposed to stop a filibuster in the senate?

By being a leader!   You dont go out and demonize people every day and then meltdown like a baby when they refuse to help you.  

Obama is little more than a community agitator who creates division and anger.  He has only himself to blame  

[Straw Man]

By being a leader!   You dont go out and demonize people every day and then meltdown like a baby when they refuse to help you.  

Obama is little more than a community agitator who creates division and anger.  He has only himself to blame  

again, tell us exactly how the POTUS can stop a filibuster in the Senate

your own fucking story said this was the MOST MODEST of gun control proposals

I guess we'll just have to wait until enough Republican Senators have their friends or family killed by gun nuts and then maybe they will do something

[Archer77]

you can say it all you want but it's highly doubtful to almost certainly false

just look at the public support for increasing taxes on the wealthy and then explain how 90% of the public is suddenly going to be in favor of removing all taxes completely

90% support this specific legislation or 90% support some form of gun control? Do you really think 90% of American citizens are aware of and understand this legislation?

[Straw Man]

90% support this specific legislation or 90% support some form of gun control? Do you really think 90% of American citizens are aware of and understand this legislation?

tell us what was so hard to understand about it?

[Archer77]

tell us what was so hard to understand about it?

I'm asking you if you know the answer?  You're throwing out numbers to support your argument and I want to know what they mean. Where did those numbers come from?

[Straw Man]

I'm asking you if you know the answer?  You're throwing out numbers to support your argument and I want to know what they mean. Where did those numbers come from?

I'm not throwing out #'s

they came from 333's article

statement of purpose of the bill

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097

To protect Second Amendment rights, ensure that all individuals who should be prohibited from buying a firearm are listed in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and provide a responsible and consistent background check process.

[Archer77]

I'm not throwing out #'s

they came from 333's article

statement of purpose of the bill

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00097

So you blindly trust the numbers? Why did you throw a hissy fit when I asked a simple question?

[Straw Man]

So you blindly trust the numbers? Why did you throw a hissy fit when I asked a simple question?

wtf are you even talking about

the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site

If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source

[Soul Crusher]

wtf are you even talking about

the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site

If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source

and only 4% felt gun control was an imprtant issue. 

The only reason o-twink is pissed off is that he cant blame the gop house for this heading into 2014. 

failed leadership - lame duck

[Archer77]

wtf are you even talking about

the 90% number has been mentioned many times in the last few days and it directly from a story posted on this site

If you don't believe it then feel free to explain why and show your source

So what, it could be mentioned a million times.  I'm asking you to source the numbers.  You're using these numbers for YOUR argument.  Burden of proof is on you. Are you just on this thread to heckle?  

[MCWAY]

again, tell us exactly how the POTUS can stop a filibuster in the Senate

your own fucking story said this was the MOST MODEST of gun control proposals

I guess we'll just have to wait until enough Republican Senators have their friends or family killed by gun nuts and then maybe they will do something

As 333386 said, it's by being a leader. Guess what! Reagan NEVER had the Senate or the House under his party's control. Yet, he got things done. Clinton only had Congress for two of his eight years. Yet, most of his legislative accomplishments and the legacy of his presidency were done the other six years when the GOP ran Congress.

Both men were LEADERS. They were able to persuade people to vote for certain issues, from time to time.

Obama can't do that. He's demonizing Republicans every chance he gets. Yet, he knows he needs GOP votes to pass that bill: Not the smartest of tactics.

But, let's tell it like it is: This bill was never going to get to Obama's desk, anyway. Obama's just mad, because his plan to have this die in the House in order to demonize the GOP congressmen BACKFIRED!!

[blacken700]

So what, it could be mentioned a million times.  I'm asking you to source the numbers.  You're using these numbers for YOUR argument.  Burden of proof is on you. Are you just on this thread to heckle?  

Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
 
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.

[Archer77]

Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
 
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.

Thank you.  I appreciate you providing the information

[Soul Crusher]

Support for a process providing legal status to undocumented immigrants reached a new high in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll, while vast public backing for expanded background checks on gun sales held strong – two prominent issues coming to the fore in Congress.
 
With a vote on gun control measures pending, 86 percent support extending background checks to gun sales at gun shows and online. Much smaller majorities support banning assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, 56 percent in each case, with the latter down from its peak, 65 percent in January, a month after the elementary school shootings in Newtown, Conn.

Every gun show i ever went to required the NICS check - same w online sales in order for the gun to be shipped to a FFL.  Anything else is already illegal. 

[Straw Man]

and only 4% felt gun control was an imprtant issue. 

The only reason o-twink is pissed off is that he cant blame the gop house for this heading into 2014. 

failed leadership - lame duck

great, show your source for that claim

I know you're a fucking moron so I'll give you an example

here is a quote:

The latest poll from Quinnipiac University showed a staggering 88 percent of registered voters nationwide — including 85 percent of voters with guns in their households — support background checks for all gun buyers.

here is where the quote came from:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/background-checks-polling-senate.php

here is the poll that is cited in the story:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes--centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1861

[Fury]

OWNED.

Sit down, leftist bitches. 


Obama is such a lame duck. Can't even get all the Dems to vote in line! LOL!

[Soul Crusher]

CNSNews.com) – Only 4 percent of Americans think guns and gun control are an important problem facing the country, according to Gallup, and far more Americans are concerned about the economy, unemployment and the federal debt.

In its poll from Apr. 4-7,  Gallup surveyed 1,005 adults by telephone and asked, “What do you think is the most important problem facing the country today?”

Respondents answered in the following order:

Economy in general                                      24%

Unemployment/Jobs                                     18%

Dissatisfaction with Government                16%

Federal budget deficit/Federal debt             11%

Healthcare                                                     6%

Ethical/Moral/Family decline                            5%

Immigration/Illegal aliens                                4%

Education                                                       4%

Guns/Gun control                                            4%

Situation with North Korea                              4%

Lack of Money                                                  3%

Welfare                                                            2%

Lack of respect for each other                         2%

Poverty/Hunger/Homelessness                        2%

Foreign aid/Focus overseas                              2%

Taxes                                                                 2%

Despite the Obama administration’s strong push for more gun control legislation, few Americans are concerned about the issue.

As Gallup reports, “Few Americans mention guns or immigration as the most important problems facing the nation today, despite the current attention lawmakers in Washington are giving to these issues. The economy still dominates as the top concern, followed by jobs and dissatisfaction with the general way in which Congress and the government work.”

These data “underscore the prominence of economic issues in Americans’ minds,” said Gallup.