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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Croatch on November 02, 2006, 02:45:47 PM
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Regardless of whether someone takes gear or not, I would like to think lifting is about pushing yourself and not a pin. I look around my gym and maybe see one guy every few months who has decent gains naturally. Is it that hard to do, or are people just not dedicated enough?
I can't count how many people I see shrink on a monthly basis or their face is bloated up like Alvin the Chipmunk. It ridiculous in my opinion and many outside the sport would agree.
I personally would feel like an assclown lying to someone asking me how I got big, then bullshitting them about...it's all "hardwork", when meanwhile it was a cycle and nothing more. Hell, I felt like a douchebag saying that to people back in 94', but would feel even cheesier saying is being an adult.
Oh, fuck breast implants too...haha
People need a reality check.
Croatch on...
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Does synthol count? ;D
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It's all about the work ethic and the diet if all is good you can make some great gains but then you go and watch a contest and come away thinking I am waisting my time then if you get to a Pro show you think Fuk it I am never going to be like that Natural.Well you are Right.Do it for yourself and stay healthy.
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When I was 18, 19, 20 years old, yes. After that... fagetaboutit.
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i disagree i know 26 28yr old still naturally gettin stronger.
to be natural u need to train differently than from a non natty, cycle weights less volume etc. be smarter
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I'm 18, have been training since the summer of 05', and have been improving very well as a natural! I think it's because of my approach to my training. I focus on intensity. Going to absolute failure on each and every working set. Without high intensity training, I would have never made as much gains as I have. Everyone I know who trains with the same level of intensity has similarly phenominal results.
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Leave the fake titties alone! >:( They do have their uses.
As to answer your other question, no, nobody but you can make decent gains naturally. It is actually quite frustrating for the rest of us to not have your incredible drive, intellect, and charisma. Maybe you should get special "martyr" stars under your name?
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It's all relative. If there were no such thing as steriods, the gains made by naturals would seem much more impressive.
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I think Adonis is the only 30 year old still making gains naturally. If only I knew which flavor ice cream has the magic crystals....
Special "Redrum Raisin" Ed
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I think Adonis is the only 30 year old still making gains naturally. If only I knew which flavor ice cream has the magic crystals....
Special "Redrum Raisin" Ed
Ben & Jerrys "Half Baked"! Hope this helps... ;D
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do you mean late twenties early 30s who cant make gains because they have got near there natural genetic limit or late twenties early 30's who just started training and could not gain because of there age?because if its the 2nd scenario your all way off base, it may be easier to gain from nothing as you get older.
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No, nobody can. We've reached the next level in human evolution and can't do it anymore. we are fucked. 40,000 years of homosapiens building muscle is lost forever cause nobody has PATIENCE ANYMORE.
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It's all relative. If there were no such thing as steriods, the gains made by naturals would seem much more impressive.
couldn't agree more, the magazines and supplement companies are adding to this also! They promise 50lb gain in 2 weeks while losing fat.
now you have these idiots out there that think Levrone's body is attainable by the average man and anything less is not good enough.
now to training naturally means taking (creatine, glutamine, dextrose, maltodextrin, bcaa, ZMA, ECA stack, buckets of whey and tons of other supps).
lol, then the skinny guy next to you does a cycle and makes you look like a skinny crack head, eclipsing your gains in a matter of weeks
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To add to that amim right croatch went from 150 to 220 naturally in his late twenties, so where is all this coming from, bodybuilding myth?
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Well the answer to that is that you never think you are stopping to make gains no matter how old you are.The moment you think that maybe you are not able to make more gains
naturally it`s the moment you are loosing it :)
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I think it's mostly diet. I know plenty of guys who train their asses off in the gym but who don't put any thought into their diet other than maybe a protein shake after a workout, so of course their gains stagnate. I know even more who have been doing the same training routine for years too and of course they've stagnated.
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I think it's mostly diet. I know plenty of guys who train their asses off in the gym but who don't put any thought into their diet other than maybe a protein shake after a workout, so of course their gains stagnate. I know even more who have been doing the same training routine for years too and of course they've stagnated.
Agreed. If I didn't eat like a bodybuilder I wouldn't look like one.
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I think it's mostly diet. I know plenty of guys who train their asses off in the gym but who don't put any thought into their diet other than maybe a protein shake after a workout, so of course their gains stagnate. I know even more who have been doing the same training routine for years too and of course they've stagnated.
information is the key, there is so much BS and myths out there.
discussions threads like the one that Vince B started and continued I think is great. I still refer to that thread, a lot of people contributed some great ideas to it.
Even Adonis has contributed alot, he is right in that there are alot people that mistake FAT for gains.
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information is the key, there is so much BS and myths out there.
discussions threads like the one that Vince B started and continued I think is great. I still refer to that thread, a lot of people contributed some great ideas to it.
Even Adonis has contributed alot, he is right in that there are alot people that mistake FAT for gains.
Which thread is that?
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http://www.musclenow.com/
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it is a now official. miss karen is a man who pretends to be a chick. what a homo.
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I'm 18, have been training since the summer of 05', and have been improving very well as a natural! I think it's because of my approach to my training. I focus on intensity. Going to absolute failure on each and every working set. Without high intensity training, I would have never made as much gains as I have. Everyone I know who trains with the same level of intensity has similarly phenominal results.
you registered on getbig on january 05 and you started working out 6 months later? ??? ::)
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Which thread is that?
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=101846.0
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I'm 18, have been training since the summer of 05', and have been improving very well as a natural! I think it's because of my approach to my training. I focus on intensity. Going to absolute failure on each and every working set. Without high intensity training, I would have never made as much gains as I have. Everyone I know who trains with the same level of intensity has similarly phenominal results.
Hey figgs, Make no mistake the first year is always the most dramatic improvement, you could do practically anything and you will grow, and thats not discounting the quality work you obviously do.
I started training at 15 and now at 34, and have put in a net of 100lbs since the beggining.. I now look for minor quality improvements of 2lbs per year whilst remaining at the same BF%.
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you registered on getbig on january 05 and you started working out 6 months later? ??? ::)
lol, maybe he was waiting for the new Muscle Tech/Cell Tech Anator P, I hear they promise 564% strength increase
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anyone bought that musclenow program?
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Maybe one loser has a chronic back problem and cannot train consistently. Maybe another loser's wife got sick and has to take a second job to feed his family. Maybe yet another loser lost his job and had to put his membership on hold. Maybe another's loser child died and he doesn't freakin feel like working out. Maybe another loser filled that gaping hole in his soul that made him workout like a maniac, flex in the mirror all night and daily count every freakin millimeter he breaks on the measuring tape.
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Maybe one loser has a chronic back problem and cannot train consistently. Maybe another loser's wife got sick and has to take a second job to feed his family. Maybe yet another loser lost his job and had to put his membership on hold. Maybe another's loser child died and he doesn't freakin feel like working out. Maybe another loser filled that gaping hole in his soul that made him workout like a maniac, flex in the mirror all night and daily count every freakin millimeter he breaks on the measuring tape.
Wow Laddy, you know a lot of losers. ;)
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you registered on getbig on january 05 and you started working out 6 months later? ??? ::)
Actually, I first registered while on my first attempt at a cutting diet. I started out pretty chunky. Not like Billyguns but I was getting there. That's when I learned all about diet and exercise. Mostly from books and online articles, but I learned a hell of a lot from here at Getbig. I remember posting on the training and diet forums almost everyday.
When I finally saw results after months of trial and error, I watched my physique as it bloomed from moldy shit into something beautiful. After months of impatient anticipation, I finally began my bodybuilding lifestyle; and something clicked. I became deeply in love with bodybuilding during the summer of 05'. :)
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Two years ago I was 230 pounds 31%BF 44inch pant size. 6 months of cardio took me to 175 pounds...18 months of lifting has taken me to 195 pounds, 32 pant size 15.8%bf.
I've done all this naturally at 31 years of age on a vegetarian diet. Can be done if you train and eat smart and stay dedicated, in my opinion.
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Two years ago I was 230 pounds 31%BF 44inch pant size. 6 months of cardio took me to 175 pounds...18 months of lifting has taken me to 195 pounds, 32 pant size 15.8%bf.
I've done all this naturally at 31 years of age on a vegetarian diet. Can be done if you train and eat smart and stay dedicated, in my opinion.
Congrats on on phenominal transformation!
I started at at a bit over 180 lbs. and now I'm 185. LOL so I replaced all the fat with muscles!
I'm no veggi but I just finished an awesome bowl of baked beans w/ bbq sauce! ;D
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Obviously nothing like my newbie gains, but i consider those absolutely rediculous. I went from 145 to 185 in about 5-6 months when i started working out at 16 or 17. After that i pretty much stopped and dropped to about 170 because of all the cardio from basketball, took a few years off, working out here and there but always hovered around the 175-180 mark.
I'm 22 now and have been working out fairly consistantly for the last 2 months and I'm about 200 now. I'd say about 10 of that is probably creatine water weight but whatever, my friends and family have all commented that I've gotten bigger (I'm still a fucking stick but again, whatever, at least I'm growing).
My diet is fucking garbage, i don't eat enough to grow properly, but I'm working on it. I find that I grow pretty easily and whenever i stop drinking and partying all the time it's pretty easy to put on the lbs but the hardest part has been avoiding the drinking and partying.
Anyways, hopefully I'll continue to grow and hit 210 before Christmas and 220 by next summer. I doubt i'll stay natural forever but untill I'm confident that my diet, sleep, and workouts (that's the easy part) are 110% in check I don't deserve the needle.
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Simple answer: Yes.
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i've discovered that using gear can eliminate most hassles such as diet and discipline. the goal is to look good, not challenge yourself. at least for me.
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I don't feel that I am gaining at all lately. :-\
I will end up remaining in or around 200-205 by the time I regain all the muscle I lost from my last set of finals. I've pretty well accepted it though. From there, the gains will be very slow, and I'm ok with that.
the kelly clarkson song in the background made it like a real posing routine :)
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Congrats on on phenominal transformation!
I started at at a bit over 180 lbs. and now I'm 185. LOL so I replaced all the fat with muscles!
I'm no veggi but I just finished an awesome bowl of baked beans w/ bbq sauce! ;D
Thanks. Got hooked on BB. Never thought I would. Trying to get to 200-205 with 10%bf and see how I feel. Veggir or not, I enjoy the challege of going in every other day and pushing myself as hard as I can for90 minutes. Get some nice hormones flooding, blow off some stress and make my head clearer for the day. Congrats on your accomplishments also. I have a lot of respect for people who can get fit and stay there...especially in this culture.
As per the topic though, I don't feel like Ive reached my potential. I would like to add 4 inches to my chest, get my arms to a solid 18 cold (which isnt that far away anymore), maybe drop the waist to 30-31 inches with nice ab definition. I played soccer for years growingup and found that my legs responded really fast to low rep training. So much so that I had a hard time finding jeans that fit and had to take them out of the lineup to bring my upper body into proportion.
Finally found someone about the same strength as myself who wants to partner up. Im really looking forward to this to help break through and really bring up my back and chest...lats in particular. I havent scratched my limit in terms of weight lifted. I can shrug 225 20-25 times for 3 sets. Deadlifted 225 8-10 times for 3 sets (have to be careful with my back). Singled 225 on chest (might have done more but never had training partner) I can do 5-6 curls 110pound bar for a few sets when I'm fresh. This isn't a lot of weight for what I see going on this board (although some guy says he can do 100 reps at 225...f**k) but it shows that I have a lot of room to grow and should be able to pack on some quality muscle. The men in my family tend to be big and broad shouldered but they never bb trained...so genetically its ALL NEW TERRITORY.
We'll keep people updated.
oh ya, Any suggestions about new training partners?? Other than not dropping the weight on their head?
Thanks
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Obviously nothing like my newbie gains, but i consider those absolutely rediculous. I went from 145 to 185 in about 5-6 months when i started working out at 16 or 17. After that i pretty much stopped and dropped to about 170 because of all the cardio from basketball, took a few years off, working out here and there but always hovered around the 175-180 mark.
I'm 22 now and have been working out fairly consistantly for the last 2 months and I'm about 200 now. I'd say about 10 of that is probably creatine water weight but whatever, my friends and family have all commented that I've gotten bigger (I'm still a fucking stick but again, whatever, at least I'm growing).
My diet is fucking garbage, i don't eat enough to grow properly, but I'm working on it. I find that I grow pretty easily and whenever i stop drinking and partying all the time it's pretty easy to put on the lbs but the hardest part has been avoiding the drinking and partying.
Anyways, hopefully I'll continue to grow and hit 210 before Christmas and 220 by next summer. I doubt i'll stay natural forever but untill I'm confident that my diet, sleep, and workouts (that's the easy part) are 110% in check I don't deserve the needle.
Impressive gains. Imagine if you dialed in your diet and stopped getting wasted...there's an easy 15lbs. I can't remember the last time I got drunk. What an over glamorized thing drinking is. The whole getting drunk thing got old about 10 years ago for me. I don't see how people do it on a regular basis...to excess anyway, which is the way most people drink.
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heres one guy who can.
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i've discovered that using gear can eliminate most hassles such as diet and discipline. the goal is to look good, not challenge yourself. at least for me.
you on orals only like you said you were gonna take?
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Impressive gains. Imagine if you dialed in your diet and stopped getting wasted...there's an easy 15lbs. I can't remember the last time I got drunk. What an over glamorized thing drinking is. The whole getting drunk thing got old about 10 years ago for me. I don't see how people do it on a regular basis...to excess anyway, which is the way most people drink.
Thanks. One of the most important things i've realized in the last couple weeks is to at least not drink the same day i worked out. I give it at least 24 hours now. I also just had like the best back workout in a long time and feel pretty pumped about that. Just under 2 months untill 07, determined to hit 210 by then and then just maintain for a couple months before i try to pack on anymore (eating all the time is fucking hard, lol).
Edit: I'm not trying to sound like a big guy, I'm still a lanky mofo, but that will change ;D ;D