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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
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I'm looking to take my physique and knowledge to the next level and am seriously considering making a big investment in training with a bodybuilding legend. The options open to me are the top 2 bodybuilders of the late '70s, Frank Zane and Robby Robinson. Should I go for the Zane Experience (3-day option) or should I attend Robby's Master Class? Has anyone on the board trained with them in this style before? The cost for both is pretty steep and I don't want to end up wasting my precious money. But both choices look pretty fun to me. After all, not only will I be bodybuilding, I will also be having a legend on hand to train and guide me. What can be better? So should it be San Diego or Venice Beach for my destination?
http://www.frankzane.com/zane_experience_san_diego.htm
http://www.robbyrobinson.net/master-class.php
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Are you Red, White or Black Jon Harridan?
If you're black you should definately train with Robby.
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Are you Red, White or Black Jon Harridan?
If you're black you should definately train with Robby.
What's wrong with training with Zane if you're black (not that I am)?
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Frank probably takes CCs and will issue a receipt. Robby - not so much. ;D
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Forget Pros just go and live in Thailand for 12 mths and enjoy the Good Life.
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There is no big secret to training that you will learn from Robby or Zane. If you really want to take it to the next level hire someone to help you with your drug routine.
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Hire Tbombz for some Deep-tissue Massage instead
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chris cormier
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There is no big secret to training that you will learn from Robby or Zane. If you really want to take it to the next level hire someone to help you with your drug routine.
Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.
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What does Ronnie charge? :D
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Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.
Well, Zane did have the nickname "The Chemist", and not just because he was a chemistry-teacher...
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hire palumbo
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Complete waste of fucking money, buy gear with whatever amount you woulf have spent on their bullshit. If you cant work out what training works for you with a bit trial and error some "pro" aint gonna do it in 3 days
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If you really want to hang with a world champ bodybuilder go ahead and enjoy. I can't imagine an experienced trainer learning any thing. These guys are champs because of drugs, genetics and hard work.
You have to read Robbie's biography. He grew up in the deep woods dirt poor. He won a lot of bodybuilding championships without drugs when he lived in the deep south and I believe him. He's one of those life time muscular guys.
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Heinz Senoir. End of thread.
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lee haney
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lee haney
Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.
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Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.
Depending on what you're really looking to achieve, someone like Charles Glass might be a better option...otherwise, prolly Zane.
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Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.
I see what you did there
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The one with the best drug connections
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Almighty GH15
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Almighty GH15
did he claim that you were a narcotics dealer as well?
he's labeled me as such ;D
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Yates.
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I'm looking to take my physique and knowledge to the next level and am seriously considering making a big investment in training with a bodybuilding legend. The options open to me are the top 2 bodybuilders of the late '70s, Frank Zane and Robby Robinson. Should I go for the Zane Experience (3-day option) or should I attend Robby's Master Class? Has anyone on the board trained with them in this style before? The cost for both is pretty steep and I don't want to end up wasting my precious money. But both choices look pretty fun to me. After all, not only will I be bodybuilding, I will also be having a legend on hand to train and guide me. What can be better? So should it be San Diego or Venice Beach for my destination?
http://www.frankzane.com/zane_experience_san_diego.htm
http://www.robbyrobinson.net/master-class.php
son, do yourself a favour. 'hire' a good drug dealer and read the training and roid board.
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son, do yourself a favour. 'hire' a good drug dealer and read the training and roid board.
so basically get in touch with 15, yes?
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You should totally dig up Mike Mentzer and pay a marionetter work him, while taking you though the Heavy Duty principles..........
That would be awesome ;D.
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Frank Zane would be my choice..but of course most of us have never met these guys.. best to get an opinion of the pros and ex pros on here who maybe met them in person. I would have loved to have met Steve reeves and trained with him in his Home Gym on his ranch, his routine was nothing special but i would have liked to have just met him.
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Well, since DA having health issues, Wong is in far Malaysia…and Palumbo will be in jail soon again. Would recommend Princess Tamali and her plazmosis stuff, will do wonders for you sir.
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milos
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milos
Organs of peace..
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they used to call zane the chemist
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they used to call zane the chemist
wasn't it because he's a chemistry teacher?
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wasn't it because he's a chemistry teacher?
He was actually a math teacher, but the story has been changed over the years to include chemistry.
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hire dj181, its basicaly frank zane revamped
;D ;D ;D
i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month
and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)
p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle
dips, squats and chins FTW
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so basically get in touch with 15, yes?
something like that, stud. ;D
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;D ;D ;D
i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month
and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)
p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle
dips, squats and chins FTW
Dips, squats, chins, OHP, deadlifts, rows.
What else does one really need, besides calf raises?
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;D ;D ;D
i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month
and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)
p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle
dips, squats and chins FTW
hahaha
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Dips, squats, chins, OHP, deadlifts, rows.
What else does one really need, besides calf raises?
deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on
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deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on
C'mon man, don't tell me that you will blow your waist by doing deads. And regarding 'aesthetics', it's one of the best exercises to correct hanging shoulders. I've never felt my rear delts the day after, from any other exercise.
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deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on
I thought you were a Mentzerite????
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C'mon man, don't tell me that you will blow your waist by doing deads. And regarding 'aesthetics', it's one of the best exercises to correct hanging shoulders. I've never felt my rear delts the day after, from any other exercise.
I thought you were a Mentzerite????
maybe you're right
but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight
deads do nothing for the arms
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Well, Zane did have the nickname "The Chemist", and not just because he was a chemistry-teacher...
Then why?
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maybe you're right
but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight
deads do nothing for the arms
I am in similar boat as you, I need arm size.
My back and shoulders are of very good size/strength, but my chest and arms need some work. I think I focused far too long on the notion that arms do not direct work.
Well, mine do.
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I am in similar boat as you, I need arm size.
My back and shoulders are of very good size/strength, but my chest and arms need some work. I think I focused far too long on the notion that arms do not direct work.
Well, mine do.
this so-called "indirect effect" is very minimal in my experience
i had a pretty bad shoulder injury a few years ago and i held back alot on upper body compound moves for fear of re-injuring it, but lately i got over that fear and now i train the compound moves
i think the key for arm growth will be the weighted dips and chins, and in particular the chins
the size that i have added recently has mostly been on my quads from the full squats
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maybe you're right
but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight
deads do nothing for the arms
I have the same problem with my arms, esp with my triceps. But what would happen when you perform only rows for the back, just because it stimulates your bi & brachialis? You can't train your back to its max because your arms are your weakest link in that particular movement. So in short, focus on exercises where your target muscle is your weakest link, not a supporting muscle. I hope this makes sense :)
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I have the same problem with my arms, esp with my triceps. But what would happen when you perform only rows for the back, just because it stimulates your bi & brachialis? You can't train your back to its max because your arms are your weakest link in that particular movement. So in short, focus on exercises where your target muscle is your weakest link, not a supporting muscle. I hope this makes sense :)
yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms
i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see
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You got to work with what you got was Franco as tall as Arnold? So work the weak points maintain the rest until weak points come up. I had zero calves but worked the hell out of them then they came around. DP is correct on this.
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yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms
i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see
No worries for that, that would only happen when you just started training. The longer you train, the slower your progress. BTW, I don't believe that hypertrophy occurs 100% locally; there's always tention/stimulation of other muscle groups.
Regarding weighted chins, most folks aren't able to perform chins with a full ROM and a slow negative (I'm not an exception on this :-\) , but there's nothing wrong with some extra weight in case you're an exception to this.
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yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms
i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see
used to hear a lot use the "Weider Priority principle" and "specialization training". I think if you use a pre- exhaust of scott preacher curls and chins and tricep press downs and closegrip bench/dips you will stimulate to the max if normal training is not working for you. preacher curls and chins blow your biceps..
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used to hear a lot use the "Weider Priority principle" and "specialization training". I think if you use a pre- exhaust of scott preacher curls and chins and tricep press downs and closegrip bench/dips you will stimulate to the max if normal training is not working for you. preacher curls and chins blow your biceps..
Exactly, pre-exhaust most people don't like it but it works.
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Well, since DA having health issues, Wong is in far Malaysia…and Palumbo will be in jail soon again. Would recommend Princess Tamali and her plazmosis stuff, will do wonders for you sir.
Wong Hong charges a hundred bucks per training session for a package minimum of fifteen sessions.
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i almost fell out of my chair upon reading this, first from the schock, second from the followup laughter
Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.
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Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.
Robby isn't a natural, he's clean.
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Hire Lee Labrada, he has forgotten more than most of the gurus know.
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Hire Lee Labrada, he has forgotten more than most of the gurus know.
Does he understand the concept of food combining that most Pros and BBers in general (including Getbiggers) neglect?
http://www.acidalkalinediet.com/food-combining-chart?utm_campaign=email1-combiningchart&utm_medium=email&utm_source=alkaline-dietw
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Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.
http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm
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Go for Zane
he will charge you $2000 or more to watch you do 2 sets on his old, non functional rusty 2nd hand 70' gym equipment
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Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.
http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm
ridiculous prices... ::) he must be a "Guru!"
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ridiculous prices... ::) he must be a "Guru!"
And Jerome Ferguson used the services of BOTH Charles Glass and George Farah (who charges 5 grand per program) to place 14th at the Masters O.
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Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.
I admire Zane and he is my favorite Mr Olympia physique.
I also think that Robby is one of the sports true legends.
I have considered going to a top pro for personal trainiong advice, and never did it. Why?
If you want a program that will work, far better to hire an experienced bodybuilder in your area, that is active competing, NOW or recently. If motivation is more your deal, then spend the $$ on VIP seats for the Olympia in Vegas. They have an awesome expo and an early section of "meet the pros" for VIP ticket holders. The Olympia and Arnold expo are a great way to meet and get a pic with plenty of the legends of BB.
In my humble opinion, Larry Scott offers some of the best old school, drug free ideas on training and diet in the history of the sport.
http://www.larryscott.com.
Oh, one of the best, modern training concepts based on adavanced basic nutrition and training is John Parrillo
http://www.parrillo.com
*** You would get more bang for your buck with Parrillo in terms of actual knowledge for building your body, then being with a legend. The Parrillo concept is extennsive and involved but is all based on food and some effective hard work in the gym. I think you would like it. He also has seminar camps that are a lot better and cheaper then more famous bodybuilders and trainers.Just my 2 cents.
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He was actually a math teacher, but the story has been changed over the years to include chemistry.
He taught science and math and had what is known as a broadfield teaching certificate.
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I admire Zane and he is my favorite Mr Olympia physique.
I also think that Robby is one of the sports true legends.
I have considered going to a top pro for personal trainiong advice, and never did it. Why?
If you want a program that will work, far better to hire an experienced bodybuilder in your area, that is active competing, NOW or recently. If motivation is more your deal, then spend the $$ on VIP seats for the Olympia in Vegas. They have an awesome expo and an early section of "meet the pros" for VIP ticket holders.
In my humble opinion, Larry Scott offers some of the best old school, drug free ideas on training and diet in the history of the sport.
htpp://www.larryscott.com.
Oh, one of the best, modern training concepts based on adavanced basic nutrition and training is John Parrillo
http://www.parrillo.com
*** You would get more bang for your buck with Parrillo in terms of actual knowledge for building your body, then being with a legend. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks Howard, but Zane and Robby seem to know their stuff too. But it's hard to pick one over the other.
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Zane all the way.... :)
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Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.
http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm
Order this and the parrillo diet manual as it is very detailed and attend one his camps.
http://www.parrillo.com/training-manual.asp
I would also look for his mainstream published book on Aamazon.com which has most of his info at a fraction of the cost.
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Thanks Howard, but Zane and Robby seem to know their stuff too. But it's hard to pick one over the other.
Are you or I , Zane or Robby? no!
Sure it would be cool to train with them for a couple days.
BUT, consider the gains you could make if you spent that same $$ on some sound info and plenty of quality food and supplements to
fuel your hard workouts.
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Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.
If you want some of the best effective drug free training try natty legend skip Lacour
http://skiplacour.com/slc_weekly_coaching/
I have heard a lot of good things about skip and his training service.
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If you want some of the best effective drug free training try natty legend skip Lacour
http://skiplacour.com/slc_weekly_coaching/
I have heard a lot of good things about skip and his training service.
Thanks but Skip isn't even a Pro despite taking drugs (and lying about it). I doubt he knows much. He charges way too much as well.
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Thanks but Skip isn't even a Pro despite taking drugs (and lying about it). I doubt he knows much. He charges way too much as well.
Ok, but Skip passed numerous drug tests at several contests over more then a decade of competition.
Zane and Robby are great champs but I am pretty sure they used drugs to compete as pros.
I gave you my opinion, and advice now do what you want and good luck.
Enjoy your legend training experience whatever you decide.
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A good trainer is someone with knowledge, experience & the ability to educate, inspire & stimulate. There's really no need to hire an expensive champion bodybuilder and most of them are plain dumb & arrogant anyway.
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Ok, but Skip passed numerous drug tests at several contests over more then a decade of competition.
Zane and Robby are great champs but I am pretty sure they used drugs to compete as pros.
I gave you my opinion, and advice now do what you want and good luck.
Enjoy your legend training experience whatever you decide.
Thanks man; Skip may not be so bad an option after all. Perhaps you should have yourself a legend training experience too. It's fun and you never know what you might learn.
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A good trainer is someone with knowledge, experience & the ability to educate, inspire & stimulate. There's really no need to hire an expensive champion bodybuilder and most of them are plain dumb & arrogant anyway.
THat's my point and perhaps he just wants to cool experience of being able to train with a legand??
The best guy I ever trained with and listened to 100% was Mike Ferguson and his gym Powerstation gym in Middletown, Ohio.
He won the over 60 masters nationals a couple yrs ago and was the best trainer I ever worked with or knew.
I was able to win the NPC Ironman natural back in 1994 after working with him for just a few months.
I would stringly urge any serious bodybuilder to seek out Mike and train with him at his gym.
Incredible gym and incredible level of experience and deep knowldge base with Mike F.
Many of the top gurus like Haney Rambod never won a major title but know their shit.
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Thanks man; Skip may not be so bad an option after all. Perhaps you should have yourself a legend training experience too. It's fun and you never know what you might learn.
Not me. I would prefer to spend my time and money by going to a place like Middletown Ohio and training under the
supervision of Mike Ferguson at his Powerstation gym.
If you sincerely want to learn how to train and diet , THIS is your man, trust me.
Training with him in his awesome gym was the best bodybuilding experience of my life.
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Can you share some of Mike's training and diet secrets here since all of us can't go to Middletown, Ohio?
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Can you share some of Mike's training and diet secrets here since all of us can't go to Middletown, Ohio?
The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense
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Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.
'ah. you want THAT type of training.
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THat's my point and perhaps he just wants to cool experience of being able to train with a legand??
The best guy I ever trained with and listened to 100% was Mike Ferguson and his gym Powerstation gym in Middletown, Ohio.
He won the over 60 masters nationals a couple yrs ago and was the best trainer I ever worked with or knew.
I was able to win the NPC Ironman natural back in 1994 after working with him for just a few months.
I would stringly urge any serious bodybuilder to seek out Mike and train with him at his gym.
Incredible gym and incredible level of experience and deep knowldge base with Mike F.
Many of the top gurus like Haney Rambod never won a major title but know their shit.
The best leg machine ever made (The legendary Swing Squat) is in Middletown.
I have one in my basement.
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The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense
Bingo!
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My 2 cents: go to Amazon and drop 10 bucks on this book there's no so called "pro" who can give you this kind of education. Don't blow thousands to learn a weak rehashing of what Master Blaster Joe Weider taught these guys. Go to the source for 10 bucks. You're welcome.
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My 2 cents: go to Amazon and drop 10 bucks on this book there's no so called "pro" who can give you this kind of education. Don't blow thousands to learn a weak rehashing of what Master Blaster Joe Weider taught these guys. Go to the source for 10 bucks. You're welcome.
I agree with your idea but I feel their are better sources then this book.
BUT, getting a great resorurce is a better way to go and 99% cheaper.
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I got this book some years age.. a good book.
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The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense
There ARE certain secrets. Vince Gironda knew heaps of training and nutritional secrets, for one. I have them all saved in his book.
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There ARE certain secrets. Vince Gironda knew heaps of training and nutritional secrets, for one. I have them all saved in his book.
Once you publish something to the public, it isn't a 'secret' anymore.
I remember his interviews in Ironman magazine. Back in the day his views were refreshing, but also a bit pseudo-scientific. Again, there are no secrets, esp in the electronic age.
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Once you publish something to the public, it isn't a 'secret' anymore.
I remember his interviews in Ironman magazine. Back in the day his views were refreshing, but also a bit pseudo-scientific. Again, there are no secrets, esp in the electronic age.
Yeah, but most BBers, including Getbiggers, still aren't aware of Gironda's secrets. If you don't know it, isn't it a secret?
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Yeah, but most BBers, including Getbiggers, still aren't aware of Gironda's secrets. If you don't know it, isn't it a secret?
Please, call them 'insights' or 'personal views', not 'secrets'. There are countless insights about training, nutrition, supps, drugs, mental factors and so on. There's no need (and it's impossible!) to read/hear them all, unless you have multiple lives. With all respect for Vince's insights, but bodybuilding isn't rocked science, it's just damn hard work & common sense.
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Please, call them 'insights' or 'personal views', not 'secrets'. There are countless insights about training, nutrition, supps, drugs, mental factors and so on. There's no need (and it's impossible!) to read/hear them all, unless you have multiple lives. With all respect for Vince's insights, but bodybuilding isn't rocked science, it's just damn hard work & common sense.
Yes, bodybuilding isn't rocket science, but it's still a scientific sport that incorporates modern advances as King Ronnie mentioned. Robby and Zane may be old now yet they are modern men who have kept up with the times.
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Yes, bodybuilding isn't rocket science, but it's still a scientific sport that incorporates modern advances as King Ronnie mentioned. Robby and Zane may be old now yet they are modern men who have kept up with the times.
Ronnie is the result of near perfect conditions for hypertrophy.
I would suggest that you watch some interviews with Robby by Ric Drasin on Youtube. My conclusion after hearing them: just hard work, moderate doses of gear, common sense based on the knowledge/experience back in the day & good genetics.
If you want a good bb-related investment, I would suggest things like good food & gear, no overpriced masterclasses.
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Mike van Wijk is teh shit
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Mike van Wijk is teh shit
He would destroy your organs
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Ronnie is the result of near perfect conditions for hypertrophy.
I would suggest that you watch some interviews with Robby by Ric Drasin on Youtube. My conclusion after hearing them: just hard work, moderate doses of gear, common sense based on the knowledge/experience back in the day & good genetics.
If you want a good bb-related investment, I would suggest things like good food & gear, no overpriced masterclasses.
What would you consider a reasonable rate for Robby's Master Class then?
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What would you consider a reasonable rate for Robby's Master Class then?
That's not up to me, we're living in a free market world. Robby is a smart, gifted & relaxed guy, but there's really no need to invest in a master class to become successful. Just make a plan, execute it, evaluate it and repeat.
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Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.
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Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.
i say fly to Vegas and spend the $$ on lap dances.
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i say fly to Vegas and spend the $$ on lap dances.
She will disapprove. :D Anyway, what's the point? I get more than lap dances, the whole nine yards in fact, from her for free.
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Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.
Saw this one last week, great session. George is a prep guy with a good track record, so he's def someone to listen to. His thoughts about cycling with protein & gear to save your organs is a good one.
No need to email him for free advice, he won't do that, he has his rates.
Here's some experience from a client (rodriguez72), http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/84381-george-farah-diet.html
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She will disapprove. :D Anyway, what's the point? I get more than lap dances, the whole nine yards in fact, from her for free.
Lovely girl, looks intelligent, def a keeper.
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Saw this one last week, great session. George is a prep guy with a good track record, so he's def someone to listen to. His thoughts about cycling with protein & gear to save your organs is a good one.
No need to email him for free advice, he won't do that, he has his rates.
Here's some experience from a client (rodriguez72), http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/84381-george-farah-diet.html
Thanks for the link. But I can see, though, that George still has plenty to learn from the likes of Vince Gironda and Ron Kosloff about optimal nutrition. Nutrition, as you well know, can make or break your physique and George is violating all the rules of food combining.
http://detoxifynow.com/Food_diet.html
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Thanks for the link. But I can see, though, that George still has plenty to learn from the likes of Vince Gironda and Ron Kosloff about optimal nutrition. Nutrition, as you well know, can make or break your physique and George is violating all the rules of food combining.
http://detoxifynow.com/Food_diet.html
Well, just like Vince, George isn't a fan of combining fats & carbs. Other than that George operates in a different field than Vince. I mean, a guy like Mohammed Makkaway was great back in the day, but he won't do damage in the current pro scene. BTW, Vince claimed that Mohammed was a naturel, but years later Mo admitted his use.
I've heard of that PH-neutral diet, but a serious bodybuilder can't eat like that. He needs to eat massive amounts of veggies in order to compensate his daily 400-600 gr of protein consumption. No one says that bodybuilders eats healthy, they eat for results. BTW, do you think that Vince's +10 eggs/day intake was healthy? George take to lower the food intake in the off season is a feasible strategy.
BTW, I've never heard of Ron Kosloff.
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Well, just like Vince, George isn't a fan of combining fats & carbs. Other than that George operates in a different field than Vince. I mean, a guy like Mohammed Makkaway was great back in the day, but he won't do damage in the current pro scene. BTW, Vince claimed that Mohammed was a naturel, but years later Mo admitted his use.
I've heard of that PH-neutral diet, but a serious bodybuilder can't eat like that. He needs to eat massive amounts of veggies in order to compensate his daily 400-600 gr of protein consumption. No one says that bodybuilders eats healthy, they eat for results. BTW, do you think that Vince's +10 eggs/day intake was healthy? George take to lower the food intake in the off season is a feasible strategy.
BTW, I've never heard of Ron Kosloff.
Oh, Ron was a student of Vince's. He has a column on BB.com and has BB consultation services too. Check him out; he has some pretty uncoventional ideas on diet.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kosloff.htm
http://vincegironda-nsp.com/services/
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"Jumbo" Palumbo has his own little consultation business going on too. His phone consultation rates are through the roof, I must say. They are exactly double that of Haney and Zane!
http://www.davepalumbo.com/STOREV2/dietwithdave.html
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The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense
If there are no secrets then there isn't the secret that there are no secrets, since this is itself a secret (of which there aren't any).
As recently appointed Chief of Logic Police, I'm going to forgive this self-referentially incoherent statement and merely issue a warning, partially because you have the first token of the word enclosed in single quotation marks, perhaps with the intent of using them as scare quotes.
Chief of Logic Police logbook entry 01
Suspect name: DroppingPlates
LPC#0001 Committed an act of self-referential incoherence
LPC#0035 Used single quotation marks as scare quotes
Result: Issued warning
Future Action: Monitor suspect, enroll in grammatical rehabilitation course including units on self-referential incoherence and properly using double quotation marks as scare quotes if further infractions occur.
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LMAO, we have very creative minds on this board! I would hire Syntaxmachine as a ghostwriter for my life story ;D
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"Jumbo" Palumbo has his own little consultation business going on too. His phone consultation rates are through the roof, I must say. They are exactly double that of Haney and Zane!
http://www.davepalumbo.com/STOREV2/dietwithdave.html
Jumbo is a smart guy but his rates are absurd in my opinion for what you get.
May I suggest you hire Craig Titus for private consultation.
My hunch is he isn't busy with too many clients right now and would be cheap ? ;)
LOL< you get a phone consulation with me for the cost of a Krispy Kreme gift card.
I won such epic contests as the 1986 Mr Cannon Village (NC)
Less men have won that coveted title then the Olympia ( fact!)
Plus, I'm a legend , in my own mind.
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LMAO, we have very creative minds on this board! I would hire Syntaxmachine as a ghostwriter for my life story ;D
Drop me a PM anytime, stud.
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John, are you prepared to take hairstyling tips from Mr. Kosloff?
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You should try this link, and pickup one of the bodybuilders from there:
http://www.escortchaps.co.uk/index1.php
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Drop me a PM anytime, stud.
You stole that line from Tito24, right?
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You stole appropriated that line from Tito24, right?
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John, are you prepared to take hairstyling tips from Mr. Kosloff?
I don't know about that but I think it's best to go with Robby at the end of the day. He seems like a great guy.
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I don't know about that but I think it's best to go with Robby at the end of the day. He seems like a great guy.
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Great guy, but there's no need to invest in his services, other than philanthropic motives. A cheaper way would be training @ Golds Venice for a month, combined with some good observation skills, but don't expect real 'secrets'.