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Title: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 01:49:08 PM
I'm looking to take my physique and knowledge to the next level and am seriously considering making a big investment in training with a bodybuilding legend. The options open to me are the top 2 bodybuilders of the late '70s, Frank Zane and Robby Robinson. Should I go for the Zane Experience (3-day option) or should I attend Robby's Master Class? Has anyone on the board trained with them in this style before? The cost for both is pretty steep and I don't want to end up wasting my precious money. But both choices look pretty fun to me. After all, not only will I be bodybuilding, I will also be having a legend on hand to train and guide me. What can be better? So should it be San Diego or Venice Beach for my destination?

http://www.frankzane.com/zane_experience_san_diego.htm

http://www.robbyrobinson.net/master-class.php
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 31, 2012, 02:02:55 PM
Are you Red, White or Black Jon Harridan?

If you're black you should definately train with Robby.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 02:06:26 PM
Are you Red, White or Black Jon Harridan?

If you're black you should definately train with Robby.

What's wrong with training with Zane if you're black (not that I am)?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dr.chimps on December 31, 2012, 02:30:05 PM
Frank probably takes CCs and will issue a receipt. Robby - not so much.  ;D
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Pottsy on December 31, 2012, 03:00:54 PM
Forget Pros just go and live in Thailand for 12 mths and enjoy the Good Life.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: US MUSL on December 31, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
There is no big secret to training that you will learn from Robby or Zane. If you really want to take it to the next level hire someone to help you with your drug routine.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 31, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
Hire Tbombz for some Deep-tissue Massage instead
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: cswol on December 31, 2012, 03:21:01 PM
chris cormier
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 03:22:06 PM
There is no big secret to training that you will learn from Robby or Zane. If you really want to take it to the next level hire someone to help you with your drug routine.

Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 03:22:49 PM
What does Ronnie charge? :D
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 31, 2012, 03:25:17 PM
Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.

Well, Zane did have the nickname "The Chemist", and not just because he was a chemistry-teacher...
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: WOOO on December 31, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
hire palumbo
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Henda on December 31, 2012, 03:39:12 PM
Complete waste of fucking money, buy gear with whatever amount you woulf have spent on their bullshit. If you cant work out what training works for you with a bit trial and error some "pro" aint gonna do it in 3 days
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: oldtimer1 on December 31, 2012, 03:41:02 PM
If you really want to hang with a world champ bodybuilder go ahead and enjoy. I can't imagine an experienced trainer learning any thing. These guys are champs because of drugs, genetics and hard work.

You have to read Robbie's biography. He grew up in the deep woods dirt poor. He won a lot of bodybuilding championships without drugs when he lived in the deep south and I believe him. He's one of those life time muscular guys.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Kwon_2 on December 31, 2012, 04:37:48 PM
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Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: NotSure on December 31, 2012, 04:42:19 PM
Heinz Senoir. End of thread.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: HTexan on December 31, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
lee haney
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on December 31, 2012, 06:31:25 PM
lee haney


Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Princess L on December 31, 2012, 08:26:04 PM
Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.

Depending on what you're really looking to achieve, someone like Charles Glass might be a better option...otherwise, prolly Zane.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Army of One on December 31, 2012, 08:53:02 PM
Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.

I see what you did there
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on December 31, 2012, 08:59:56 PM
The one with the best drug connections
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Krankenstein on December 31, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
Almighty GH15
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on December 31, 2012, 10:53:27 PM
Almighty GH15

did he claim that you were a narcotics dealer as well?

he's labeled me as such ;D
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Shockwave on December 31, 2012, 10:59:08 PM
Yates.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Meso_z on January 01, 2013, 02:46:20 AM
I'm looking to take my physique and knowledge to the next level and am seriously considering making a big investment in training with a bodybuilding legend. The options open to me are the top 2 bodybuilders of the late '70s, Frank Zane and Robby Robinson. Should I go for the Zane Experience (3-day option) or should I attend Robby's Master Class? Has anyone on the board trained with them in this style before? The cost for both is pretty steep and I don't want to end up wasting my precious money. But both choices look pretty fun to me. After all, not only will I be bodybuilding, I will also be having a legend on hand to train and guide me. What can be better? So should it be San Diego or Venice Beach for my destination?

http://www.frankzane.com/zane_experience_san_diego.htm

http://www.robbyrobinson.net/master-class.php
son, do yourself a favour. 'hire' a good drug dealer and read the training and roid board.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 02:48:00 AM
son, do yourself a favour. 'hire' a good drug dealer and read the training and roid board.

so basically get in touch with 15, yes?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: BB on January 01, 2013, 02:57:31 AM
You should totally dig up Mike Mentzer and pay a marionetter work him, while taking you though the Heavy Duty principles..........

That would be awesome  ;D.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Donny on January 01, 2013, 02:59:02 AM
Frank Zane would be my choice..but of course most of us have never met these guys.. best to get an opinion of the pros and ex pros on here who maybe met them in person. I would have loved to have met Steve reeves and trained with him in his Home Gym on his ranch, his routine was nothing special but i would have liked to have just met him.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: IronMeister on January 01, 2013, 03:25:18 AM
Well, since DA having health issues, Wong is in far Malaysia…and Palumbo will be in jail soon again.  Would recommend Princess Tamali and her plazmosis stuff, will do wonders for you sir.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: trapz101 on January 01, 2013, 07:14:52 AM
milos
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 01, 2013, 07:26:33 AM
milos

Organs of peace..
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: bigmc on January 01, 2013, 07:53:19 AM
they used to call zane the chemist
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: trapz101 on January 01, 2013, 07:55:13 AM
they used to call zane the chemist

wasn't it because he's a chemistry teacher?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: ChopperRider on January 01, 2013, 08:17:03 AM
wasn't it because he's a chemistry teacher?

He was actually a math teacher, but the story has been changed over the years to include chemistry.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 08:55:58 AM
hire dj181, its basicaly frank zane revamped

 ;D ;D ;D

i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month

and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)

p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle

dips, squats and chins FTW
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Meso_z on January 01, 2013, 08:58:56 AM
so basically get in touch with 15, yes?
something like that, stud. ;D
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 01, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
;D ;D ;D

i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month

and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)

p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle

dips, squats and chins FTW

Dips, squats, chins, OHP, deadlifts, rows.

What else does one really need, besides calf raises?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: bigmc on January 01, 2013, 09:00:50 AM
;D ;D ;D

i'll be posting up new pics here at the end of the month

and i've have a good 10 solid pounds of lean muscle tissue on me by then, MARK MY WORDS ;)

p.s. i've already added a good 5 pounds of lean muscle

dips, squats and chins FTW

hahaha
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 09:02:23 AM
Dips, squats, chins, OHP, deadlifts, rows.

What else does one really need, besides calf raises?

deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 01, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on

C'mon man, don't tell me that you will blow your waist by doing deads. And regarding 'aesthetics', it's one of the best exercises to correct hanging shoulders. I've never felt my rear delts the day after, from any other exercise.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 01, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
deads ruin aesthetics, but everything else is spot on

I thought you were a Mentzerite????
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
C'mon man, don't tell me that you will blow your waist by doing deads. And regarding 'aesthetics', it's one of the best exercises to correct hanging shoulders. I've never felt my rear delts the day after, from any other exercise.

I thought you were a Mentzerite????

maybe you're right

but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight

deads do nothing for the arms
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Moen on January 01, 2013, 09:15:29 AM
Well, Zane did have the nickname "The Chemist", and not just because he was a chemistry-teacher...

Then why?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 01, 2013, 09:18:47 AM
maybe you're right

but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight

deads do nothing for the arms

I am in similar boat as you, I need arm size.
My back and shoulders are of very good size/strength, but my chest and arms need some work.  I think I focused far too long on the notion that arms do not direct work.
Well, mine do.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 09:24:10 AM
I am in similar boat as you, I need arm size.
My back and shoulders are of very good size/strength, but my chest and arms need some work.  I think I focused far too long on the notion that arms do not direct work.
Well, mine do.

this so-called "indirect effect" is very minimal in my experience

i had a pretty bad shoulder injury a few years ago and i held back alot on upper body compound moves for fear of re-injuring it, but lately i got over that fear and now i train the compound moves

i think the key for arm growth will be the weighted dips and chins, and in particular the chins

the size that i have added recently has mostly been on my quads from the full squats
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 01, 2013, 09:24:23 AM
maybe you're right

but my arms suck ass, and my torso is pretty ok, so i need to focus on exercises that give direct work for the arms ie. dips and chins with added weight

deads do nothing for the arms

I have the same problem with my arms, esp with my triceps. But what would happen when you perform only rows for the back, just because it stimulates your bi & brachialis? You can't train your back to its max because your arms are your weakest link in that particular movement. So in short, focus on exercises where your target muscle is your weakest link, not a supporting muscle. I hope this makes sense  :)
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: dj181 on January 01, 2013, 09:30:04 AM
I have the same problem with my arms, esp with my triceps. But what would happen when you perform only rows for the back, just because it stimulates your bi & brachialis? You can't train your back to its max because your arms are your weakest link in that particular movement. So in short, focus on exercises where your target muscle is your weakest link, not a supporting muscle. I hope this makes sense  :)

yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms

i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 01, 2013, 09:40:47 AM
You got to work with what you got was Franco as tall as Arnold? So work the weak points maintain the rest until weak points come up. I had zero calves but worked the hell out of them then they came around. DP is correct on this.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 01, 2013, 09:43:55 AM
yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms

i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see

No worries for that, that would only happen when you just started training. The longer you train, the slower your progress. BTW, I don't believe that hypertrophy occurs 100% locally; there's always tention/stimulation of other muscle groups.
Regarding weighted chins, most folks aren't able to perform chins with a full ROM and a slow negative (I'm not an exception on this  :-\) , but there's nothing wrong with some extra weight in case you're an exception to this.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Donny on January 01, 2013, 10:02:23 AM
yeah it does, but according to Mr. N then i'll be even more out of proportion ie. torso>arms

i think the weighted chins will be the answer, but we'll see
used to hear a lot use the "Weider Priority principle" and "specialization training". I think if you use a pre- exhaust of scott preacher curls and chins and tricep press downs and closegrip bench/dips you will stimulate to the max if normal training is not working for you. preacher curls and chins blow your biceps..
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Mr Nobody on January 01, 2013, 10:10:35 AM
used to hear a lot use the "Weider Priority principle" and "specialization training". I think if you use a pre- exhaust of scott preacher curls and chins and tricep press downs and closegrip bench/dips you will stimulate to the max if normal training is not working for you. preacher curls and chins blow your biceps..
Exactly, pre-exhaust most people don't like it but it works.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 01, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
Well, since DA having health issues, Wong is in far Malaysia…and Palumbo will be in jail soon again.  Would recommend Princess Tamali and her plazmosis stuff, will do wonders for you sir.

Wong Hong charges a hundred bucks per training session for a package minimum of fifteen sessions.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 01, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
i almost fell out of my chair upon reading this, first from the schock, second from the followup laughter

Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 01, 2013, 10:30:58 AM
Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.

Robby isn't a natural, he's clean.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: HockeyFightFan on January 01, 2013, 02:09:49 PM
Hire Lee Labrada, he has forgotten more than most of the gurus know.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 01, 2013, 02:32:38 PM
Hire Lee Labrada, he has forgotten more than most of the gurus know.

Does he understand the concept of food combining that most Pros and BBers in general (including Getbiggers) neglect?

http://www.acidalkalinediet.com/food-combining-chart?utm_campaign=email1-combiningchart&utm_medium=email&utm_source=alkaline-dietw
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 01, 2013, 07:51:16 PM
Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.

http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: the_swami on January 01, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
Go for Zane
he will charge you $2000 or more to watch you do 2 sets on his old, non functional rusty 2nd hand 70' gym equipment
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Donny on January 02, 2013, 02:20:39 AM
Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.

http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm
ridiculous prices... ::) he must be a "Guru!"
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 02, 2013, 11:58:04 AM
ridiculous prices... ::) he must be a "Guru!"

And Jerome Ferguson used the services of BOTH Charles Glass and George Farah (who charges 5 grand per program) to place 14th at the Masters O.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 12:15:36 PM
Don't the legends know the big secrets with their years of top-level experience? That's the reason for their success. Drugs constitute cheating and will harm your body.

I admire Zane and he is my favorite Mr Olympia physique.
I also think that Robby is one of the sports true legends.

I have considered going to a top pro for personal trainiong advice, and never did it. Why?
If you want a program that will work, far better to hire an experienced bodybuilder in your area, that is active competing, NOW or recently. If motivation is more your deal, then spend the $$ on VIP seats for the Olympia in Vegas. They have an awesome expo and an early section of "meet the pros" for VIP ticket holders. The Olympia and Arnold expo are a great way to meet and get a pic with plenty of the legends of BB.

In my humble opinion, Larry Scott offers some of the best old school, drug free ideas on training and diet in the history of the sport.
http://www.larryscott.com.

Oh, one of the best, modern training concepts based on adavanced basic nutrition and training is John Parrillo
http://www.parrillo.com
*** You would get more bang for your buck with Parrillo in terms of actual knowledge for building your body, then being with a legend. The Parrillo concept is extennsive and involved but is all based on food and some effective hard work in the gym. I think you would like it. He also has seminar camps that are a lot better and cheaper then more famous bodybuilders and trainers.Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 12:21:08 PM
He was actually a math teacher, but the story has been changed over the years to include chemistry.

He taught science and math and had what is known as a broadfield teaching certificate.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 02, 2013, 12:22:39 PM
I admire Zane and he is my favorite Mr Olympia physique.
I also think that Robby is one of the sports true legends.

I have considered going to a top pro for personal trainiong advice, and never did it. Why?
If you want a program that will work, far better to hire an experienced bodybuilder in your area, that is active competing, NOW or recently. If motivation is more your deal, then spend the $$ on VIP seats for the Olympia in Vegas. They have an awesome expo and an early section of "meet the pros" for VIP ticket holders.

In my humble opinion, Larry Scott offers some of the best old school, drug free ideas on training and diet in the history of the sport.
htpp://www.larryscott.com.

Oh, one of the best, modern training concepts based on adavanced basic nutrition and training is John Parrillo
http://www.parrillo.com
*** You would get more bang for your buck with Parrillo in terms of actual knowledge for building your body, then being with a legend. Just my 2 cents.


Thanks Howard, but Zane and Robby seem to know their stuff too. But it's hard to pick one over the other.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Donny on January 02, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
Zane all the way.... :)
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 12:47:18 PM
Wow, I just checked and Charles Glass certainly doesn't come cheap! Considering his client volume he must have made a ton of dough over the years.

http://charlesglasstraining.net/services.htm

Order this and the parrillo diet manual as it is very detailed and attend one his camps.
http://www.parrillo.com/training-manual.asp

I would also look for his mainstream published book on Aamazon.com which has most of his info at a fraction of the cost.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
Thanks Howard, but Zane and Robby seem to know their stuff too. But it's hard to pick one over the other.
Are you or I , Zane or Robby? no!
Sure it would be cool to train with them for a couple days.
BUT, consider the gains you could make if you spent that same $$ on some sound info and plenty of quality food and supplements to
fuel your hard workouts.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Drugs will shrink your nuts and give you bitch tits, amongst other undesirables. Never put anything artificial or harmful into your body is my advice to everyone here. Staying natural like Robby today is the smart and manly option.

If you want some of the best effective drug free training try natty legend skip Lacour
http://skiplacour.com/slc_weekly_coaching/

I have heard a lot of good things about skip and his training service.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 02, 2013, 01:38:41 PM
If you want some of the best effective drug free training try natty legend skip Lacour
http://skiplacour.com/slc_weekly_coaching/

I have heard a lot of good things about skip and his training service.

Thanks but Skip isn't even a Pro despite taking drugs (and lying about it). I doubt he knows much. He charges way too much as well.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 02:00:09 PM
Thanks but Skip isn't even a Pro despite taking drugs (and lying about it). I doubt he knows much. He charges way too much as well.

Ok, but Skip passed numerous drug tests at several contests over more then a decade of competition.
Zane and Robby are great champs but I am pretty sure they used drugs to compete as pros.
I gave you my opinion, and advice now do what you want and good luck.
Enjoy your legend training experience whatever you decide.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 02, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
A good trainer is someone with knowledge, experience & the ability to educate, inspire & stimulate. There's really no need to hire an expensive champion bodybuilder and most of them are plain dumb & arrogant anyway.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 02, 2013, 02:09:29 PM
Ok, but Skip passed numerous drug tests at several contests over more then a decade of competition.
Zane and Robby are great champs but I am pretty sure they used drugs to compete as pros.
I gave you my opinion, and advice now do what you want and good luck.
Enjoy your legend training experience whatever you decide.

Thanks man; Skip may not be so bad an option after all. Perhaps you should have yourself a legend training experience too. It's fun and you never know what you might learn.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
A good trainer is someone with knowledge, experience & the ability to educate, inspire & stimulate. There's really no need to hire an expensive champion bodybuilder and most of them are plain dumb & arrogant anyway.

THat's my point and perhaps he just wants to cool experience of being able to train with a legand??
The best guy I ever trained with and listened to 100% was Mike Ferguson and his gym Powerstation gym in Middletown, Ohio.
He won the over 60 masters nationals a couple yrs ago and was the best trainer I ever worked with or knew.
I was able to win the NPC Ironman natural back in 1994 after working with him for just a  few months.
I would stringly urge any serious bodybuilder to seek out Mike and train with him at his gym.
Incredible gym and incredible  level of experience and deep knowldge base with Mike F.
Many of the top gurus like Haney Rambod never won a major title but know their shit.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 02:16:27 PM
Thanks man; Skip may not be so bad an option after all. Perhaps you should have yourself a legend training experience too. It's fun and you never know what you might learn.

Not me. I would prefer to spend my time and money by going to a place like Middletown Ohio and training under the
supervision of Mike Ferguson at his Powerstation gym.
If you sincerely want to learn how to train and diet , THIS is your man, trust me.
Training with him in his awesome gym was the best bodybuilding experience of my life.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 02, 2013, 04:57:56 PM
Can you share some of Mike's training and diet secrets here since all of us can't go to Middletown, Ohio?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 02, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Can you share some of Mike's training and diet secrets here since all of us can't go to Middletown, Ohio?

The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: HTexan on January 02, 2013, 05:32:12 PM
Lee Haney doesn't do home training packages like Robby and Zane.
'ah. you want THAT type of training.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 02, 2013, 05:42:11 PM
THat's my point and perhaps he just wants to cool experience of being able to train with a legand??
The best guy I ever trained with and listened to 100% was Mike Ferguson and his gym Powerstation gym in Middletown, Ohio.
He won the over 60 masters nationals a couple yrs ago and was the best trainer I ever worked with or knew.
I was able to win the NPC Ironman natural back in 1994 after working with him for just a  few months.
I would stringly urge any serious bodybuilder to seek out Mike and train with him at his gym.
Incredible gym and incredible  level of experience and deep knowldge base with Mike F.
Many of the top gurus like Haney Rambod never won a major title but know their shit.

The best leg machine ever made (The legendary Swing Squat) is in Middletown.

I have one in my basement.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 07:17:35 PM
The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense

Bingo!
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: True Amateur on January 02, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
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My 2 cents: go to Amazon and drop 10 bucks on this book there's no so called "pro" who can give you this kind of education. Don't blow thousands to learn a weak rehashing of what Master Blaster Joe Weider taught these guys. Go to the source for 10 bucks. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 02, 2013, 07:35:50 PM
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My 2 cents: go to Amazon and drop 10 bucks on this book there's no so called "pro" who can give you this kind of education. Don't blow thousands to learn a weak rehashing of what Master Blaster Joe Weider taught these guys. Go to the source for 10 bucks. You're welcome.

I agree with your idea but I feel their are better sources then this book.
BUT, getting a great resorurce is a better way to go and 99% cheaper.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Donny on January 03, 2013, 03:46:53 AM
I got this book some years age.. a good book.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 12:15:38 PM
The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense

There ARE certain secrets. Vince Gironda knew heaps of training and nutritional secrets, for one. I have them all saved in his book.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 12:32:48 PM
There ARE certain secrets. Vince Gironda knew heaps of training and nutritional secrets, for one. I have them all saved in his book.

Once you publish something to the public, it isn't a 'secret' anymore.

I remember his interviews in Ironman magazine. Back in the day his views were refreshing, but also a bit pseudo-scientific. Again, there are no secrets, esp in the electronic age.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 12:40:28 PM
Once you publish something to the public, it isn't a 'secret' anymore.

I remember his interviews in Ironman magazine. Back in the day his views were refreshing, but also a bit pseudo-scientific. Again, there are no secrets, esp in the electronic age.

Yeah, but most BBers, including Getbiggers, still aren't aware of Gironda's secrets. If you don't know it, isn't it a secret?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 12:48:46 PM
Yeah, but most BBers, including Getbiggers, still aren't aware of Gironda's secrets. If you don't know it, isn't it a secret?

Please, call them 'insights' or 'personal views', not 'secrets'. There are countless insights about training, nutrition, supps, drugs, mental factors and so on. There's no need (and it's impossible!) to read/hear them all, unless you have multiple lives. With all respect for Vince's insights, but bodybuilding isn't rocked science, it's just damn hard work & common sense.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 12:56:06 PM
Please, call them 'insights' or 'personal views', not 'secrets'. There are countless insights about training, nutrition, supps, drugs, mental factors and so on. There's no need (and it's impossible!) to read/hear them all, unless you have multiple lives. With all respect for Vince's insights, but bodybuilding isn't rocked science, it's just damn hard work & common sense.

Yes, bodybuilding isn't rocket science, but it's still a scientific sport that incorporates modern advances as King Ronnie mentioned. Robby and Zane may be old now yet they are modern men who have kept up with the times.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 01:15:57 PM
Yes, bodybuilding isn't rocket science, but it's still a scientific sport that incorporates modern advances as King Ronnie mentioned. Robby and Zane may be old now yet they are modern men who have kept up with the times.

Ronnie is the result of near perfect conditions for hypertrophy.
I would suggest that you watch some interviews with Robby by Ric Drasin on Youtube. My conclusion after hearing them: just hard work, moderate doses of gear, common sense based on the knowledge/experience back in the day & good genetics.
If you want a good bb-related investment, I would suggest things like good food & gear, no overpriced masterclasses.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Moen on January 03, 2013, 01:43:09 PM
Mike van Wijk is teh shit
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 01:50:11 PM
Mike van Wijk is teh shit

He would destroy your organs
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 01:52:10 PM
Ronnie is the result of near perfect conditions for hypertrophy.
I would suggest that you watch some interviews with Robby by Ric Drasin on Youtube. My conclusion after hearing them: just hard work, moderate doses of gear, common sense based on the knowledge/experience back in the day & good genetics.
If you want a good bb-related investment, I would suggest things like good food & gear, no overpriced masterclasses.

What would you consider a reasonable rate for Robby's Master Class then?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 02:32:25 PM
What would you consider a reasonable rate for Robby's Master Class then?

That's not up to me, we're living in a free market world. Robby is a smart, gifted & relaxed guy, but there's really no need to invest in a master class to become successful. Just make a plan, execute it, evaluate it and repeat.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 02:52:22 PM
Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.

Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 03, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.



i say fly to Vegas and spend the $$ on lap dances.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
i say fly to Vegas and spend the $$ on lap dances.

She will disapprove. :D Anyway, what's the point? I get more than lap dances, the whole nine yards in fact, from her for free.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 03:06:30 PM
Here's a recent seminar by George Farah. In it he warns against excessive protein consumption by bodybuilders (too much of it is toxic to the kidneys) amongst other things. He seems knowledgeable and full of secrets; maybe I should email him and ask him for advice.



Saw this one last week, great session. George is a prep guy with a good track record, so he's def someone to listen to. His thoughts about cycling with protein & gear to save your organs is a good one.
No need to email him for free advice, he won't do that, he has his rates.

Here's some experience from a client (rodriguez72), http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/84381-george-farah-diet.html
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 03:08:03 PM
She will disapprove. :D Anyway, what's the point? I get more than lap dances, the whole nine yards in fact, from her for free.

Lovely girl, looks intelligent, def a keeper.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 04:04:56 PM
Saw this one last week, great session. George is a prep guy with a good track record, so he's def someone to listen to. His thoughts about cycling with protein & gear to save your organs is a good one.
No need to email him for free advice, he won't do that, he has his rates.

Here's some experience from a client (rodriguez72), http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/84381-george-farah-diet.html

Thanks for the link. But I can see, though, that George still has plenty to learn from the likes of Vince Gironda and Ron Kosloff about optimal nutrition. Nutrition, as you well know, can make or break your physique and George is violating all the rules of food combining.

http://detoxifynow.com/Food_diet.html
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 03, 2013, 04:32:51 PM
Thanks for the link. But I can see, though, that George still has plenty to learn from the likes of Vince Gironda and Ron Kosloff about optimal nutrition. Nutrition, as you well know, can make or break your physique and George is violating all the rules of food combining.

http://detoxifynow.com/Food_diet.html

Well, just like Vince, George isn't a fan of combining fats & carbs. Other than that George operates in a different field than Vince. I mean, a guy like Mohammed Makkaway was great back in the day, but he won't do damage in the current pro scene. BTW, Vince claimed that Mohammed was a naturel, but years later Mo admitted his use.
I've heard of that PH-neutral diet, but a serious bodybuilder can't eat like that. He needs to eat massive amounts of veggies in order to compensate his daily 400-600 gr of protein consumption. No one says that bodybuilders eats healthy, they eat for results. BTW, do you think that Vince's +10 eggs/day intake was healthy? George take to lower the food intake in the off season is a feasible strategy.
BTW, I've never heard of  Ron Kosloff.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 03, 2013, 04:47:08 PM
Well, just like Vince, George isn't a fan of combining fats & carbs. Other than that George operates in a different field than Vince. I mean, a guy like Mohammed Makkaway was great back in the day, but he won't do damage in the current pro scene. BTW, Vince claimed that Mohammed was a naturel, but years later Mo admitted his use.
I've heard of that PH-neutral diet, but a serious bodybuilder can't eat like that. He needs to eat massive amounts of veggies in order to compensate his daily 400-600 gr of protein consumption. No one says that bodybuilders eats healthy, they eat for results. BTW, do you think that Vince's +10 eggs/day intake was healthy? George take to lower the food intake in the off season is a feasible strategy.
BTW, I've never heard of  Ron Kosloff.

Oh, Ron was a student of Vince's. He has a column on BB.com and has BB consultation services too. Check him out; he has some pretty uncoventional ideas on diet.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kosloff.htm

http://vincegironda-nsp.com/services/
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 04, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
"Jumbo" Palumbo has his own little consultation business going on too. His phone consultation rates are through the roof, I must say. They are exactly double that of Haney and Zane!

http://www.davepalumbo.com/STOREV2/dietwithdave.html
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 05, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
The 'secret' is that there are no secrets, it's just hard work & common sense

If there are no secrets then there isn't the secret that there are no secrets, since this is itself a secret (of which there aren't any).

As recently appointed Chief of Logic Police, I'm going to forgive this self-referentially incoherent statement and merely issue a warning, partially because you have the first token of the word enclosed in single quotation marks, perhaps with the intent of using them as scare quotes.

Chief of Logic Police logbook entry 01
Suspect name: DroppingPlates
LPC#0001 Committed an act of self-referential incoherence
LPC#0035 Used single quotation marks as scare quotes
Result: Issued warning
Future Action: Monitor suspect, enroll in grammatical rehabilitation course including units on self-referential incoherence and properly using double quotation marks as scare quotes if further infractions occur.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 05, 2013, 08:08:11 PM
LMAO, we have very creative minds on this board! I would hire Syntaxmachine as a ghostwriter for my life story  ;D
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Howard on January 05, 2013, 08:10:27 PM
"Jumbo" Palumbo has his own little consultation business going on too. His phone consultation rates are through the roof, I must say. They are exactly double that of Haney and Zane!

http://www.davepalumbo.com/STOREV2/dietwithdave.html
Jumbo is a smart guy but his rates are absurd in my opinion for what you get.
May I suggest you hire Craig Titus for private consultation.
My hunch is he isn't busy with too many clients right now and would be cheap ? ;)

LOL< you get a phone consulation with me for the cost of a Krispy Kreme gift card.
I won such epic contests as the 1986 Mr Cannon Village (NC)
Less men have won that coveted title then the Olympia ( fact!)
Plus, I'm a legend , in my own mind.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 06, 2013, 07:46:55 AM
LMAO, we have very creative minds on this board! I would hire Syntaxmachine as a ghostwriter for my life story  ;D

Drop me a PM anytime, stud.
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: SilverSpoon on January 06, 2013, 07:50:14 AM
John, are you prepared to take hairstyling tips from Mr. Kosloff?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Anabol on January 06, 2013, 07:55:15 AM
You should try this link, and pickup one of the bodybuilders from there:
http://www.escortchaps.co.uk/index1.php

Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 06, 2013, 08:56:56 AM
Drop me a PM anytime, stud.

You stole that line from Tito24, right?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: syntaxmachine on January 06, 2013, 09:31:06 AM
You stole appropriated that line from Tito24, right?
Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 06, 2013, 09:37:34 AM


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Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: Jon Harridan on January 06, 2013, 03:38:25 PM
John, are you prepared to take hairstyling tips from Mr. Kosloff?

I don't know about that but I think it's best to go with Robby at the end of the day. He seems like a great guy.

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Title: Re: Which Legendary Bodybuilder Should I Hire?
Post by: DroppingPlates on January 07, 2013, 02:48:11 PM
I don't know about that but I think it's best to go with Robby at the end of the day. He seems like a great guy.

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Great guy, but there's no need to invest in his services, other than philanthropic motives. A cheaper way would be training @ Golds Venice for a month, combined with some good observation skills, but don't expect real 'secrets'.