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Cant be stopped!!!!!!!!!!!!! 297 yards passing, 3 tds and no ints so far for Brady! Moss with 187 yards 1 td. 38 - 14 with no Harrison, Seymour or David Thomas. Ellis Hobbs with the longest return for a td in NFL history! A big win for the pats. Huge test next week vs San D with us missing a few key guys.
Pretty impressed with Moss considering he sat out for over three weeks of preseason.
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FREAKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK KKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Awsome job all the way around. 5 sacks, no turn-overs.....they kicked the shit outa the J-E-T-S. Hey Beserk good call on the upset..asshat.
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Thomas Jones ran wild (42 yards in 14 rushes ::)) Jarvis had 2 sacks as well as Vrabel. All the Moss haters can give him his due. Guy had close to 200 yards recieving and didnt even play in the preseason with a brand new qb / offense! Long season ahead, but this was a nice win for the pats. Pats have a few things they need to tighten up, but looked very good today.
Lt only has 12 yards in a whole half of football vs the bears!?
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They've blown in open..Rex sucks..the Bears O sucks..geeze how do u drop a ball when nobody hits u.
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Randy Moss just said that he wasn't going to comment on his performance, that is for the talk shows and game shows. ???
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Randy Moss just said that he wasn't going to comment on his performance, that is for the talk shows and game shows. ???
I think he is trying to be humble ??? Whatever works I guess. 9 receptions 187 yards and 1 td with no pre season play? Ridiculous!
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They've blown in open..Rex sucks..the Bears O sucks..geeze how do u drop a ball when nobody hits u.
I was shocked at that stat. I thought the chargers might have been "Turnered". Although the bears could have won that game had the backs been able to hold on to the ball. They handed the chargers 14 points.
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Tom Brady 22 of 28, 297 yards passing 3 tds and zero ints.
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I think he is trying to be humble ??? Whatever works 9 receptions 187 yards and 1 td with no pre season play? Ridiculous!
Yeah, I don't like the guy but he played well.
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Yeah, I don't like the guy but he played well.
Who knows with Moss. Looks like he is trying to prove people wrong.
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Who knows with Moss. Looks like he is trying to prove people wrong.
He will be an ass if they start losing. He needs to learn how to speak English. But he looks like he is still a tremendous talent in the right situation.
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He will be an ass if they start losing. He needs to learn how to speak English. But he looks like he is still a tremendous talent in the right situation.
Yup, the true test will come when they hit some adversity. Granted they have had there fair share with all the preseason injuries. Although I have to give the guy some props. To play the way he did while sitting out for three plus weeks of preseason is pretty damn impressive. When he gets his game legs he could be unreal coupled with Brady. He has been quite all camp, and done zero to warrent criticism. So I have to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. Trust me I was leary of him when he came to town.
But there is a time when everyone matures. Maybe Moss saw he was screwing up his legacy acting like a fool. The media can blow up a story big time also. Who knows honestly.
I thought they would use Dante more today. I really like Morris. Did you see him fall, get up, then rush for nine yards? The zone blocking is really helping Maroney. He is the type of back that excels with a zone block formation.
I felt bad for the Chad today. Jets fans cheering for Clemens when Chad got destroyed by Jarvis and limped off.
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Very impressive. Scary actually. If Moss comes to play every Sunday the Pats will be extremely good on O.
I thought the Chargers were just as impressive. They have a complete team. Looks like the Pats, Colts, and Chargers are the class of the AFC, subject to what we see from the Ravens and Cincy on Monday night.
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Should we just cancel the season and give the Pats the Lombardi Trophy?
It's a long season so try to contain yourself just a little. I mean right now the Pats are just 1-0 like 15 other teams.
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Think Eli Manning regrets not going to the Chargers. Or his family didn't want him to be in the AFC. Can't remember.
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Should we just cancel the season and give the Pats the Lombardi Trophy?
It's a long season so try to contain yourself just a little. I mean right now the Pats are just 1-0 like 15 other teams.
Who said anything about the Lombardi and the superbowl? The pats kicked the shat out of there biggest division rival, and put on a very nice offensive showing. People are talking about it. Talking about a big win is crowning a team sb winners? Randy Moss was a huge offseason move. He had 189 yards receiving yesterday.
If you look at my a few of my posts above I make the point about how it is a longgggg season also. But acknowledge this was a nice win. You don't have to tell me how injuries/circumstance can change things. Anything can happen on any given sunday. The pats have had plenty of injuries last few years. The colts kicked ass last week and everyone was freaking out. Pats fans are just celebrating a nice win over a bitter rival.Football fans are noticing how well they did vs a team that was supposed to upset them according to many. The offensive numbers where pretty big. So that makes it a bit more of a story then some other games imo.
Should be interesting when both the all pros the pats are missing on defense come back. Chargers game will be a big test. Especially since Seymour and Harrison are out. Will be a nice boost on week four to get Rodney back. Huge boost to the d when they get Sey back around week 6 hopefully.
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That 51 yard TD pass was a work of art. Moss has three defenders on him and Brady puts the ball in a place where only Moss could go and get it. It was almost unfair to the Jets.
WOW is Moss a friggin weapon. I wouldn't doubt that while Brady was pumping Giselle last night he was fantasizing about throwing bombs to the freak that is Moss.
That long lean body was created to catch passes.
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I hope defenses start paying more attention to Brady and Moss. This way I can get more productionout of MARONEY!
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I enjoy watching the guy run.....he's a beast but not if he's running into the damm line after 3 steps. They had better luck with Morris, but they also seemed to run him outside more. Body, whats the deal...did Morris have more plays outside? Mauroney's a monster once he gets rolling. I would think they'd scheme more for outside runs...stretches etc.
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I enjoy watching the guy run.....he's a beast but not if he's running into the damm line after 3 steps. They had better luck with Morris, but they also seemed to run him outside more. Body, whats the deal...did Morris have more plays outside? Mauroney's a monster once he gets rolling. I would think they'd scheme more for outside runs...stretches etc.
Dont forget maroney didnt play much in preseason. Pats are still getting the whole zone blocking thing down. They will improve game to game imo. Maroney had a career high for carries. Morris is just a better back then people gave him credit for. Dont forget, backs are in some way a product of there line. I dont care if you are lt, you aint rushing for much if you have no line / pass threat. The dolphins offense was pretty weak. Maroney is a cut back runner. Likes to run lateral and then cut and blast through holes. Morris is more of a downhill runner. Does not possess the burst/speed of Maroney. Grinds out the yards and such.
I think health and preservation is the name of the game this year. You might be counting your blessing Rodney gets four games off at the start. Same for Seymour, if he comes back 100 percent on like week seven, that is like a shot of energy into the d for the stretch. A total new dimension. Pats need to stay healthy. They had some injuries this preseason. Sick of the injury bug!
Look at LT last night. Takes a little while to shake the rust off.
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Who said anything about the Lombardi and the superbowl? The pats kicked the shat out of there biggest division rival, and put on a very nice offensive showing. People are talking about it. Talking about a big win is crowning a team sb winners? Randy Moss was a huge offseason move. He had 189 yards receiving yesterday.
If you look at my a few of my posts above I make the point about how it is a longgggg season also. But acknowledge this was a nice win. You don't have to tell me how injuries/circumstance can change things. Anything can happen on any given sunday. The pats have had plenty of injuries last few years. The colts kicked ass last week and everyone was freaking out. Pats fans are just celebrating a nice win over a bitter rival.Football fans are noticing how well they did vs a team that was supposed to upset them according to many. The offensive numbers where pretty big. So that makes it a bit more of a story then some other games imo.
Should be interesting when both the all pros the pats are missing on defense come back. Chargers game will be a big test. Especially since Seymour and Harrison are out. Will be a nice boost on week four to get Rodney back. Huge boost to the d when they get Sey back around week 6 hopefully.
I was just kidding my man.
It was a very impressive win.
What is up with the spying though?
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I was just kidding my man.
It was a very impressive win.
What is up with the spying though?
I don't know. Sounds funky to me. Something tells me if it was not the pats and a certain hyped NY team didn't get stomped in there backyard this would be a non story.
I don't see how stealing calls has anything to do with 50 yard bombs into triple coverage that are complete,d and 108 yard kick returns.
Who knows. The diabolical pats strike again!! Hide your babies!!! Bill B and the baby eaters are coming!!! Weird how the pats went from media darlings to gated all because they won a lot over the last 6 years.
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Moss was very impressive... not just on the playing field. He seems to have matured personally and was a solid contributor on every play, blocking, running patterns and yes, catching the ball.
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A couple things intrigued me. Moss seems to be limping, if he wasn't at 100%, what happens when he is. Why the hell were the Jets rushing three men? Brady had toooooooo much time. You give him that kind of time, he will kill you.
I want to see how good Moss behaves when they lose a couple of games, and he isn't getting the touches he is used to. I also wanna see what the league does about the cheating, again.
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A couple things intrigued me. Moss seems to be limping, if he wasn't at 100%, what happens when he is. Why the hell were the Jets rushing three men? Brady had toooooooo much time. You give him that kind of time, he will kill you.
I want to see how good Moss behaves when they lose a couple of games, and he isn't getting the touches he is used to. I also wanna see what the league does about the cheating, again.
meh...moss was just playing the rope-a-dope
the NE o-line is just unreal this year... even if the jets rushed 7 tom would have had time
is Moss tries to go against tom or coach belly, he'll be crucified and he knows it
anyway, it's a moot point, NE will win the superbowl this year and moss will be the MVP ;D
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A couple things intrigued me. Moss seems to be limping, if he wasn't at 100%, what happens when he is. Why the hell were the Jets rushing three men? Brady had toooooooo much time. You give him that kind of time, he will kill you.
I want to see how good Moss behaves when they lose a couple of games, and he isn't getting the touches he is used to. I also wanna see what the league does about the cheating, again.
Prob the same thing they did when the phins supposedly stole the pats audibles last year. Or when Mangini was tampering with Branch and Asante. I just don't think this is even a story had it not been the pats accused. Green bay said the same thing about the pats, but never filed anything with the NFL after they got beat down last year.Had the jets won that game I dont think you would be hearing much about tampering. I dont buy mangini being dumb enough to have a tiny amount of calls that can be stolen and deciphered in real time. Honestly pro teams have monster amounts of blitz packages, with multiple coaches sending them. This is such a dumb story, lol.
That said if the pats did it, they deserve to lose the late round draft pick or whatever. If nothing happens and this just turns out to be sour grapes spin, its just more proof people hate NE because they have been very successful over the last 7 years.
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This from Shawn Merriman and LT...................... SAN DIEGO - Already on record as calling the Patriots classless, Chargers star LaDainian Tomlinson yesterday ratcheted up his enmity for Bill Belichick & Co. after learning that the NFL is investigating whether the Patriots spied on the Jets in Sunday's victory at the Meadowlands.
"I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying,' " Tomlinson said at the Chargers practice facility yesterday.They showed no class at all," Tomlinson told reporters at the time.
Asked if he still considers the Patriots classless, Tomlinson said, "I guess I'm at the point where it really doesn't matter how I feel about them. I just want to beat them."
Tomlinson left little doubt, however, that he has neither forgotten nor forgiven the celebration. Nor have some of his teammates.
"How I look at that, I don't forget things," Merriman said. "You never forget. But it doesn't add any motivation to play any harder after what they did last year. I was going to play hard in the first place."
This is going to be a hell of a game. I am not thrilled about the charges of spying. Koppen was on NFL radio and had nothing but respect for the Bolts...maybe they outa shut up.
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This from Shawn Merriman and LT...................... SAN DIEGO - Already on record as calling the Patriots classless, Chargers star LaDainian Tomlinson yesterday ratcheted up his enmity for Bill Belichick & Co. after learning that the NFL is investigating whether the Patriots spied on the Jets in Sunday's victory at the Meadowlands.
"I think the Patriots actually live by the saying, 'If you're not cheating, you're not trying,' " Tomlinson said at the Chargers practice facility yesterday.They showed no class at all," Tomlinson told reporters at the time.
Asked if he still considers the Patriots classless, Tomlinson said, "I guess I'm at the point where it really doesn't matter how I feel about them. I just want to beat them."
Tomlinson left little doubt, however, that he has neither forgotten nor forgiven the celebration. Nor have some of his teammates.
"How I look at that, I don't forget things," Merriman said. "You never forget. But it doesn't add any motivation to play any harder after what they did last year. I was going to play hard in the first place."
This is going to be a hell of a game. I am not thrilled about the charges of spying. Koppen was on NFL radio and had nothing but respect for the Bolts...maybe they outa shut up.
Sorry Shawn. No one will ever mock your sack dance that mocks the people you sack. Lt is a huge crybaby huh?
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Koppen was on NFL radio and had nothing but respect for the Bolts...maybe they outa shut up.
Who is Koppen?
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Sorry Shawn. No one will ever mock your sack dance that mocks the people you sack. Lt is a huge crybaby huh?
Or maybe the Patriots are actually douche bags? Yup, that looks like it. LT's one of the most polite and soft spoken guys in the NFL. I'd be pissed too, but it won't matter on Sunday when the Pats get cracked.
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Hobbs first name should Calvin :D
then I'd like him ;)
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Or maybe the Patriots are actually douche bags? Yup, that looks like it. LT's one of the most polite and soft spoken guys in the NFL. I'd be pissed too, but it won't matter on Sunday when the Pats get cracked.
Or maybe hes a crybaby when he loses. He talked a bunch of junk about Belichick for no reason like he was dancing on the field, then went on tv kissing his ass and saying sorry at the pro bowl. Hanging out with him, saying what a great guy he was. Now he is talking again. Merimen was screaming about how he was going to smack Tom brady in the mouth all week in the media. Talking tons of trash. All the chargers where talking trash. The pats said zero all week leading up to the game. The pats went in there exposed there inexperience then mocked the shit talker after the game. You cant take it don't talk it. I would think had Matt light not owned Merimen all game he woulda been lights out dancing over Brady if he got a sack.
I love how you are a self admitted charger's bandwagon rider. The pats may very well lose next week. but your self owning never stops with quotes like " Thomas Jones will run wild on the pats" and "Randy Moss is done". Explain to me how you can have a clue about what you are talking about with that statement? If you actually knew anything about the jets, you would know they had no offensive line. Jones had FORTY yards rushing. Moss had over 180 yards recieving a td including a 50 yard bomb throw into TRIPLE coverage. In his first game back with little to no preseason practice. Moss aint even 100 percent healthy. Pretty obvious you know little to nothing about the teams you talk about, and all you are here to do is talk smack about the pats.
Why don't you support the gmen!? Better yet tell me why the pats have no chance to win next week. lets hear it!
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Who is Koppen?
I think he's referring to Dan Koppen, he's the center for the Pats.
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=23752 (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=23752)
Sorry Shawn. No one will ever mock your sack dance that mocks the people you sack. Lt is a huge crybaby huh?
Yep, that pretty much sums it up. A big whiny baby.
I also find it humorous that LT never complained about the Merriman sack dance that he performed everywhere but God forbid Colvin do a dance. Nothing like a double standard to appease a broken heart after losing a playoff game you were supposed to win.
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I think he's referring to Dan Koppen, he's the center for the Pats.
http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=23752 (http://www.patriots.com/team/index.cfm?ac=playerbio&bio=23752)
Yep, that pretty much sums it up. A big whiny baby.
I also find it humorous that LT never complained about the Merriman sack dance that he performed everywhere but God forbid Colvin do a dance. Nothing like a double standard to appease a broken heart after losing a playoff game you were supposed to win.
I know right. The chargers where talking all kinds of shit in the media all week leading up to that game. Brady was gonna get punched in the mouth etc etc. The pats said zero. maybe after the game they wanted to throw some of that talk back into the chargers faces. So instead of talking crap before, they waited until they won. I love how ALL the pats players get labled. It was a few players mocking a dance called stupid on record by the likes of Brain Urlacker among others. The chargers where to cocky last year, and a ton of players agreed on it. So Mr I'm used to everyone licking my nutt sack got all upset cuz he lost a big game. We know you are classy LT, you don't have to tell us 15 times as you attack Belichick for no reason. ::)
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Brady made HOF LB Urlaacker look like a little girl on that one play for a 1st down during the bears game. After the game they laughed about it, why because both teams respected each other. LT is a whiny bitch. He's becoming Manninglike with his side line crying. Screw him..screw Merriman...This might be the toughest game all season. I think it will be super close but in the off chance that the Pats blow these guys out..i want Beserk asshat to admitt that he knows nothing about football and that he knows first hand that Eli Manning is gay. Nice band wagon jumping dumbass
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Brady made HOF LB Urlaacker look like a little girl on that one play for a 1st down during the bears game. After the game they laughed about it, why because both teams respected each other. LT is a whiny bitch. He's becoming Manninglike with his side line crying. Screw him..screw Merriman...This might be the toughest game all season. I think it will be super close but in the off chance that the Pats blow these guys out..i want Beserk asshat to admitt that he knows nothing about football and that he knows first hand that Eli Manning is gay. Nice band wagon jumping dumbass
BF is joking.Giant fans don't abandon ship >:( like you Redsox and Pats fans :D
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Well I annually abandon the Red Flops..because the Pats 2-14 or 14-2 are on. I can't get enough. At some point Brady will retire and we'll have some stiff throwing the ball and we'll look back on this decade as the good old days...its taken the 49's how long to get back? Until then....BRADY TO MOSS ALL FRIGGEN DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well I annually abandon the Red Flops..because the Pats 2-14 or 14-2 are on. I can't get enough. At some point Brady will retire and we'll have some stiff throwing the ball and we'll look back on this decade as the good old days...its taken the 49's how long to get back? Until then....BRADY TO MOSS ALL FRIGGEN DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least your recent.I gotta go back to 90 for my Gmen :(
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Tom Brady 887 yds, 10 td's, 1 int 141.8 qb rating, almost 80 percent completion percentage!!! Just sick.
Moss 403 yds 5 td's 18.3 yard average.
That catch was just redic today. Brady to Moss is one helluva duo.
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they are two peas in a pod...
i am amazed by how mature moss is being... he has just shut up and put up!!!
PATS all the way!!!
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Tom Brady 887 yds, 10 td's, 1 int 141.8 rating through three games. Just sick.
Moss 403 yds 5 td's 18.3 yard average.
That catch was just redic today. Brady to Moss is one helluva duo.
Just effin ridiculous. Brady placed that ball perfectly and Moss made a fantastic catch. Brady has been dreaming of a WR like Moss for years.
BTW, Brady's completion percentage is 80%. :o
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they are two peas in a pod...
i am amazed by how mature moss is being... he has just shut up and put up!!!
PATS all the way!!!
the teams he was playing on sucked well below their potential. what does he have to complain about now? nothing.
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Just effin ridiculous. Brady placed that ball perfectly and Moss made a fantastic catch. Brady has been dreaming of a WR like Moss for years.
BTW, Brady's completion percentage is 80%. :o
I go to most all the games and that was the best catch I have ever seen at Gillete. The ball landed right in front of me. Just a straight up bomb. The catch was insane.
The sick thing is , Moss didn't even practise with Tom preseason. He is extremely talented receiver. When you see it live its nuts.
Stallworth has not even been used a lot yet. This team has some serious offensive weapons.
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I go to most all the games and that was the best catch I have ever seen at Gillete. The ball landed right in front of me. Just a straight up bomb. The catch was insane.
The sick thing is , Moss didn't even practise with Tom preseason. He is extremely talented receiver. When you see it live its nuts.
Stallworth has not even been used a lot yet. This team has some serious offensive weapons.
Yeah it's too bad Maroney isn't one of them near the goal line. Killing me in FFL. If Bush does well tomorrow night, I'll have to go with him instead of Maroney on a consistent basis.
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Yeah it's too bad Maroney isn't one of them near the goal line. Killing me in FFL. If Bush does well tomorrow night, I'll have to go with him instead of Maroney on a consistent basis.
Maroney had 109 yds today. He is coming along. He still dances a little at the line. When he hits that hole with no hesitation he looks like Dickerson running the ball imo. He is getting better and better. He had a HUGE game last year vs the bengals. Dont sit him.
People underrated Sammy Morris and Kevin faulks role in the offense. Maroney gets most the touches, but is also able to be rested due to the effectiveness of Morris and Faulk.
With all the wr's options the , the three backs and all the te's its an all around attack. Not the worst problem to have ;)
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Hey effin , did you see Welker catch that ball rip off like ten yards then lateral the ball to Moss when he got tackled? I forgot about that play!
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Hey effin , did you see Welker catch that ball rip off like ten yards then lateral the ball to Moss when he got tackled? I forgot about that play!
Yeah, I forgot about that one too. The long TD pass was so spectacular that it overshadowed everything else.
That play was fantastic. I love how they both were thinking the same thing before Welker tossed Moss the ball. That offense is absolutely devastating right now. There are weapons EVERYWHERE, running backs, big stud wide outs, small play making receivers, big stud tight ends and a slew of excellent number 2 and 3 receivers.
When they get rolling it's like they can score at will.
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Yeah, I forgot about that one too. The long TD pass was so spectacular that it overshadowed everything else.
That play was fantastic. I love how they both were thinking the same thing before Welker tossed Moss the ball. That offense is absolutely devastating right now. There are weapons EVERYWHERE, running backs, big stud wide outs, small play making receivers, big stud tight ends and a slew of excellent number 2 and 3 receivers.
When they get rolling it's like they can score at will.
Harrison will be a nice addition vs the Dallas offense. Hopefully big sey is ready to role come week 7. Word is cincy has some serious lb injuries going on. They where running 5 dl looks vs the seahawks out of desperation. The pats might run multiple tight ends sets all day. With the addition of David Thomas back into the TE corps this could be done nicley. If that happens they can open up the running game and let the three headed monster do its thing. Maroney had a big game vs cinci last year. maybe this will be his team for big games. Every back has one team he shreds.
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Skip Bayless says that, before the end of this season, Randy Moss will cause some trouble for the Patriots.
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Skip Bayless says that, before the end of this season, Randy Moss will cause some trouble for the Patriots.
Seems to like it in NE from what I can see. Fans love him, players love him. Whatever mang. So far the guy has been an absolute monster. 403 yds 5 td's 18.3 yard average. Brady and Moss still have room to grow. They have only been playing together for three games. They obviously click. Brady has an 80 percent completion percentage, 10 td's, one int, 900 yds passing, and a qb rating of over 140.Thats just plain old nasty.
The anti Moss crowd will always doubt him. He deserves to be complimented. He has done absolutely nothing to upset this team , and has been a great addition to this point. Moss have been in NE for awhile now. He fits in fine. Skip and the rest of the fools wont give the guy some props for doing a great job so far. Moss could get over 1500 yards receiving and be a great team guy all year, then fart in a crowded elevator and the hounds would be all over him.
I was worried about Moss when he came here. But with the way his contract is structured there is really no risk. So far he has been a gigantic addition to this team. AFter seeing him interact with the other pats players I think the media has A LOT to do with this guys perception. Then again everyone said Corey Dillon was a bad guy to.
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The ol argument that Manning 's offensive weapons did not help him put up monster stats over his career is starting to look like swiss cheese. Of course he is HOF qb, who is extremley talented. Not taking a thing away from the guy. But his weapons and his line have helped him much more then the Manning fans would like to admit. After three games Brady is putting up huge numbers playing better teams. The difference? Some real weapons and a offensive line that gives him great protection. I could only imagine what this guy could do it he had been playing with Moss, Welker, Maroney and Stallworth over his entire career, instead of just 3 games. It is still very early, but these are some serious numbers considering Brady has only been playing with these recievers for 3 games. Moss and Stallworth missed a bunch of camp, and most the preseason. The pats offensive line is also give him Manning like time to throw. Recievers and offensive wepaons DO make a difference.
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The ol argument that Manning 's offensive weapons did not help him put up monster stats over his career is starting to look like swiss cheese. Of course he is HOF qb, who is extremley talented. Not taking a thing away from the guy. But his weapons and his line have helped him much more then the Manning fans would like to admit. After three games Brady is putting up huge numbers playing better teams. The difference? Some real weapons and a offensive line that gives him great protection. I could only imagine what this guy could do it he had been playing with Moss, Welker, Maroney and Stallworth over his entire career, instead of just 3 games. It is still very early, but these are some serious numbers considering Brady has only been playing with these recievers for 3 games. Moss and Stallworth missed a bunch of camp, and most the preseason. The pats offensive line is also give him Manning like time to throw. Recievers and offensive wepaons DO make a difference.
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Are you trying to say Brady is as good as Manning? ;D
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He has always been as good as Manning. My point is weapons do make the difference.
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He has always been as good as Manning. My point is weapons do make the difference.
Always? In college too? I thought he was a 6th round draft choice?
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Always? In college too? I thought he was a 6th round draft choice?
Manning coulden't win the big one in college. Carr might have won more games had he not sat Brady in favor of the popular choice. What does that matter anyway? Are you saying a guy like Decon Jones who made a name for himself in the nfl is not as good as a guy who was highly touted at a big time program.
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Manning coulden't win the big one in college. Carr might have won more games had he not sat Brady in favor of the popular choice. What does that matter anyway? Are you saying a guy like Decon Jones who made a name for himself in the nfl is not as good as a guy who was highly touted at a big time program.
Brady is good. I just think saying he was always as good as Manning is a stretch.
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Brady is good. I just think saying he was always as good as Manning is a stretch.
I think Brady has been just as good as Manning in the NFL all things taken into account.
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I think Brady has been just as good as Manning in the NFL all things taken into account.
Ok, fair enough. You do seem a little biased when it comes to the Patriots though. I admit they are good this year, but you seem obsessed :o
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Ok, fair enough. You do seem a little biased when it comes to the Patriots though. I admit they are good this year, but you seem obsessed :o
Well you are in the patriots thread I started to talk about the team.
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Well you are in the patriots thread I started to talk about the team.
I read a lot :)
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I read a lot :)
I like to talk about footbal in general. Not many people post in depth stuff. I talk about the pats a lot because I know a good deal about the team.
You should start a lions thread. Talk about there games and shit.
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I like to talk about footbal in general. Not many people post in depth stuff. I talk about the pats a lot because I know a good deal about the team.
You should start a lions thread. Talk about there games and shit.
That would get depressing in the end, trust me. Don't be fooled by the 2-1 start. They only beat the Raiders and Vikings. :-\
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That would get depressing in the end, trust me. Don't be fooled by the 2-1 start. They only beat the Raiders and Vikings. :-\
How is Johnson doing?
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How is Johnson doing?
I don't know. I better check. Thanks.
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Ok, fair enough. You do seem a little biased when it comes to the Patriots though. I admit they are good this year, but you seem obsessed :o
I agree, its hard for me to take your post about the Pats seriously.
and Brady has always had a good o-line, and better defense. A solid O-line and great defense wins more championships than a spectacular offense. Just ask Brady and Manning.
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Manning coulden't win the big one in college. Carr might have won more games had he not sat Brady in favor of the popular choice. What does that matter anyway? Are you saying a guy like Decon Jones who made a name for himself in the nfl is not as good as a guy who was highly touted at a big time program.
Didn't Manning go 3-1 in Bowl appearances? How else do you measure "The Big One" in college ball?
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Didn't Manning go 3-1 in Bowl appearances? How else do you measure "The Big One" in college ball?
Florida handed him his ass every year ;D
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Brady is my Fantasy QB and all I have to say is that I am tops in my league (of only 8 )
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Florida handed him his ass every year ;D
Not his senior year when he won the SEC title...
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I agree, its hard for me to take your post about the Pats seriously.
and Brady has always had a good o-line, and better defense. A solid O-line and great defense wins more championships than a spectacular offense. Just ask Brady and Manning.
Manning has always had the better offensive line. The guy never miss games. Why do you think he is NEVER injured. Look up the stats. The colts had a better defense then the pats several times, look it up. 2001 especially.The pats have not always had a better d. In 2005 for the pats d was decimated. In 2001 the pats where built with a bunch of draft picks, tape and free agents.Yes there where years the pats d was better, so what? Dungy is a defensive coach. Look what he did in Tampa. Winning championships is a team thing. We are talking about offensive performance/numbers relative to weapons in this thread.
I cant take a post in which you reference Brady's offensive line over Manning's serious. Manning's has always been better. Guess who had the fewest sacks per drop back in the NFL last season by far? If defense is the only thing that wins games colrs should have lost to the ravens last year.
Show me in this post what stats or statements I have said that are "crazy" I think you don't like that I called out LT for being a bad leader and a crybaby when things don't go his way.
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Manning has always had the better offensive line. The guy never miss games. Why do you think he is NEVER injured. Look up the stats. The colts had a better defense then the pats several times, look it up. 2001 especially.The pats have not always had a better d. In 2005 for the pats d was decimated. In 2001 the pats where built with a bunch of draft picks, tape and free agents.Yes there where years the pats d was better, so what? Dungy is a defensive coach. Look what he did in Tampa. Winning championships is a team thing. We are talking about offensive performance/numbers relative to weapons in this thread.
I cant take a post in which you reference Brady's offensive line over Manning's serious. Manning's has always been better. Guess who had the fewest sacks per drop back in the NFL last season by far? If defense is the only thing that wins games colrs should have lost to the ravens last year.
Show me in this post what stats or statements I have said that are "crazy" I think you don't like that I called out LT for being a bad leader and a crybaby when things don't go his way.
umm..ok..wow! im thinking your favorite team is the Patriots.
and i could care less if you called out LT, you can call out anyone you want to in the NFL.. ::)
the years the Pats won the superbowl where was there defense ranked compared to the Colts. The Colts played spectacular defense last year when it counted and low and behold they won the SB.
"Manning has always had the better offensive line. The guy never miss games" so with that logic being that Favre hasnt missed a game in how long, his O-line must be the best.
and i didnt say defense is the only thing that wins SB's but its a majority factor.
dont get mad at the fact that when you post things about the Pats some people dont take you seriously, being that youre such a huge fan it compromises your objectivity. nothing wrong with being a fan but it can cloud your judgment at times.
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I cant take a post in which you reference Brady's offensive line over Manning's serious. Manning's has always been better.
and where did i exactly reference that Brady's O-line over Manning's?
like i said youre such fan you read what you want to read. :-\
really where did i say that?.......
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umm..ok..wow! im thinking your favorite team is the Patriots.
and i could care less if you called out LT, you can call out anyone you want to in the NFL.. ::)
the years the Pats won the superbowl where was there defense ranked compared to the Colts. The Colts played spectacular defense last year when it counted and low and behold they won the SB.
"Manning has always had the better offensive line. The guy never miss games" so with that logic being that Favre hasnt missed a game in how long, his O-line must be the best.
and i didnt say defense is the only thing that wins SB's but its a majority factor.
dont get mad at the fact that when you post things about the Pats some people dont take you seriously, being that youre such a huge fan it compromises your objectivity. nothing wrong with being a fan but it can cloud your judgment at times.
My point about Manning never missing a game is backed up by the fact the stats say he had by far the best offensive line in football last year. He has always had a great line. Look up his drop back to sack ratio over his career. That is where I got that from , not how he is never injured. The colts had one of the best teams ever in 2004, they got slapped around. Stop making excuses. As good as the pats d was the colts O was always insane. Its all relative.
If you guys don't like what I have to say about the pats start up a thread about your fav team. Im still waiting for you to find me some posts showing my "crazy" biased driven posts. Me being a fan has nothing to do with posting stats. Objectivity has nothing to do with Manning have far Superior offensive weapons over his career. That is a fact. Brady has had three sets of sub par receivers over his career, manning has had the same set of hall of fame and pro bowl receivers since he started. A hall of fame back in Edge compared to freaking Antwone Smith. A better offensive line and the same coaching staff since he started. I don't understand why you keep talking about superbowls and defensive rank is a thread dedicated to offensive performance. If anything it hurts your argument since Manning had to pass so much more, and stay on the field so much longer in the years the pats had a better d. he had many more opportunity's to use those weapons. Notice in 2005 Brady passed for over 4100 yards when the d was all torn up?
Manning is a great qb. One of the greatest. Brady is right there with him. What do you want to talk about? Pocket awareness? There is no one better then Brady. Brady is just as accurate and has just as quick of a release. Manning is better with the deep ball, but as Brady has shown this year he damn good himself when he has some wr's who can actually get separation. Arm strength? Brady has a very strong arm. That bomb he threw in the bills game was one of the hardest throws you could ever make. 50 yards over the shoulder, 2 yards in front off the wr, along the sideline to a guy in full stride where the defender cant get at it. Over his career Brady has also shown he is cool under pressure , while Manning has shown the majority off the time he is not.
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and where did i exactly reference that Brady's O-line over Manning's?
like i said youre such fan you read what you want to read. :-\
really where did i say that?.......
Did you edit that post :-\
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Manning has always had the better offensive line. The guy never miss games. Why do you think he is NEVER injured. Look up the stats. The colts had a better defense then the pats several times, look it up. 2001 especially.The pats have not always had a better d. In 2005 for the pats d was decimated. In 2001 the pats where built with a bunch of draft picks, tape and free agents.Yes there where years the pats d was better, so what? Dungy is a defensive coach. Look what he did in Tampa. Winning championships is a team thing. We are talking about offensive performance/numbers relative to weapons in this thread.
I cant take a post in which you reference Brady's offensive line over Manning's serious. Manning's has always been better. Guess who had the fewest sacks per drop back in the NFL last season by far? If defense is the only thing that wins games colrs should have lost to the ravens last year.
Show me in this post what stats or statements I have said that are "crazy" I think you don't like that I called out LT for being a bad leader and a crybaby when things don't go his way.
nope! sorry but i didnt edit the post its in the first line of the second paragraph :)
so i guess i'll ask again, where exactly did i reference Brady's O-line over Manning'??
and again youre such a fan you read what you want to read..... :-\
nothing personal but you seem fairly insecure about your Pats..and thats difficult to do over the internet. i must give you credit you really are a loyal fan.
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nope! sorry but i didnt edit the post its in the first line of the second paragraph :)
so i guess i'll ask again, where exactly did i reference Brady's O-line over Manning'??
and again youre such a fan you read what you want to read..... :-\
nothing personal but you seem fairly insecure about your Pats..and thats difficult to do over the internet. i must give you credit you really are a loyal fan.
Yes, insecure because I post more then a one liner I heard on pti ::) This board is meant for sports discussion. I happen to be a huge pats fan, so I post about them. Some times in depth. Still not sure why you changed the topic of this thread and brought in defenses and superbowls. This thread is about offensive weapons and how they effect performance. You failed to answer any of the actual football questions I posed. Lastly that first post you made was edited by you.
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Not his senior year when he won the SEC title...
Really? I thought he never beat them.
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Really? I thought he never beat them.
I really don't know about the one on one matchups that year, but since Florida and Tennessee are both in the SEC, and they won the title his Sr. year... then they must have gotten the best of them in some way.
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Yes, insecure because I post more then a one liner I heard on pti ::) This board is meant for sports discussion. I happen to be a huge pats fan, so I post about them. Some times in depth. Still not sure why you changed the topic of this thread and brought in defenses and superbowls. This thread is about offensive weapons and how they effect performance. You failed to answer any of the actual football questions I posed. Lastly that first post you made was edited by you.
I dont mean any disrespect but you need to work on your reading and comprehension. its understandable that you would get defensive. what questions did you ask exactly? and how about you answer mine? i reposted it twice and as much as you would like to think i edited your post, sorry i didnt that excuse is weak.
so for a third time..
- where exactly did i reference Brady's O-line over Manning in any of my posts? you stated in your post that i did..
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Ok even though im at work, as much as it pained me i re-read your posts and the only relevent question you asked me was about pocket awareness...and of course you said that Brady was the best (surprise ::)). so what other questions did you ask? the few you did were rhetorical.
i'll stand by my first post(and all of them ). i simply stated that you were not objective, and that the Pats always had a good o-line, and good defense.
so as to what questions you asked me earlier?
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Randy Moss. 4th game in a row with over a hundred yards with a new team (1st time in NFL history).All he cost was a 4th round pick , and a conditional 1 year contract for 3 million bucks? Trade of the century for NE.
That catch he made in the endzone was plain old insane. Harrison is back next week. NE d was impressive tonight only giving up 13 points to the high powered cinci offense without colvin Seymour , or Harrison.
Hopefully big Sey is ready for week 6. It will be good to get hgharrison back this week. Hopefully hes been jacking up the doses. I kidddd I kiddd ;)
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Randy Moss just said that he wasn't going to comment on his performance, that is for the talk shows and game shows. ???
Exactly what he and the coaches know will keep him out of trouble. Nothing negative, only positive given his history and this context.
So far just upsides from this gamble to upgrade the team to great.
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Exactly what he and the coaches know will keep him out of trouble. Nothing negative, only positive given his history and this context.
So far just upsides from this gamble to upgrade the team to great.
I have to admit you where right. I was leary of this guy before he came. Just like I was with Dillion. Fact is the media made Randy out to be this evil guy. Those who don't see him up close get spoon fed this crap that he is a terrible guy. All I have heard is how much his teammates love him. How hard he works, and what a great football mind he has. Just watching him interact with guys like Bruschi, Brady , Seymour and co you can see he enjoys his teammates. Bellichick loves him as well as Kraft.
Last night Moss brought 45 guests to the game. All underprivileged children from the Virginia area. He had them all on the pats sideline and was interacting with them all game. Stuff like that never makes "soap opera" tv (espn)
Randys offensive output = two td's per game and double to triple coverage at all times. That is without even using Stallworth much. Trade of a lifetime. Randy is a big part of the fact you cannot stop the pats offense. You want the pass you are giving them the ground , and vice versa. Hell it dont even matter if Moss is covered. He cant be beat on jump balls. Last nights catch was just silly.
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Fucking bitch Maroney sat out the game after he was expected to start. Cost me some very valuable fantasy points and I lost this week's game. Bastard!
I really question this kid's ability to stay healthy. He's ALWAYS nicked up. I really don't think this kid has a long term future in the NFL.
He's only 22 years old and he gets hurt this much. If he's this injury-prone at such a young age then I don't see him being a feature back in the NFL as he approaches his mid to late 20's. You get older, it takes longer to come back from injuries.
Sure, he's super talented. But if you can't stay healthy, the team you play for will start to second guess whether you're worth the long term commitment.
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Fucking bitch Maroney sat out the game after he was expected to start. Cost me some very valuable fantasy points and I lost this week's game. Bastard!
I really question this kid's ability to stay healthy. He's ALWAYS nicked up. I really don't think this kid has a long term future in the NFL.
He's only 22 years old and he gets hurt this much. If he's this injury-prone at such a young age then I don't see him being a feature back in the NFL as he approaches his mid to late 20's. You get older, it takes longer to come back from injuries.
Sure, he's super talented. But if you can't stay healthy, the team you play for will start to second guess whether you're worth the long term commitment.
Maroney played in 14 games last year. I don't really think that is injury proned. He took an unlucky shot to the ribs from Bob Sanders which tore his rib cartilage. Not much you can do about that one. Don't forget Bill had him returning kicks also. That adds to the wear and tear a young back takes. Maroney led the league in kick return yardage before he got hurt. I see your point tho. He has been dinged up.
As for last night, I think he could have went. Why start him if his backup is capable of going over 100 yards? I think bb rested him in favor of Morris to make sure he stays healthy and avoids nagging injuries. A groin can be a bitch if you don't rest it.
My one thing with Maroney is hitting the hole. he is a cut back back , but if he actually hits the hole he has some big power. I am not going to call him injury proned yet. A guy like sanders for the colts who misses hella time is injury proned imo. If Maroney misses more then two games this year due to injury then I might change my stance.
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After 4 games, it looks like Pats v. Colts may tell us who our next Super Bowl champion will be.
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Maroney played in 14 games last year. I don't really think that is injury proned. He took an unlucky shot to the ribs from Bob Sanders which tore his rib cartilage. Not much you can do about that one. Don't forget Bill had him returning kicks also. That adds to the wear and tear a young back takes. Maroney led the league in kick return yardage before he got hurt. I see your point tho. He has been dinged up.
As for last night, I think he could have went. Why start him if his backup is capable of going over 100 yards? I think bb rested him in favor of Morris to make sure he stays healthy and avoids nagging injuries. A groin can be a bitch if you don't rest it.
My one thing with Maroney is hitting the hole. he is a cut back back , but if he actually hits the hole he has some big power. I am not going to call him injury proned yet. A guy like sanders for the colts who misses hella time is injury proned imo. If Maroney misses more then two games this year due to injury then I might change my stance.
Disagree. He's got franchise talent but he's made of glass. Until he revamps his running style, he won't be able to stay out of the trainer's room.
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Disagree. He's got franchise talent but he's made of glass. Until he revamps his running style, he won't be able to stay out of the trainer's room.
Made of glass? Did you watch him play in college at all?
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Made of glass? Did you watch him play in college at all?
Sure did. But his health never came into play until he became a pro. Different level of competition. You won't find one person who knows football that wouldn't diagree with the notion that he needs to change his style of play in order to stay healthy.
I don't recall Fred Taylor being injury-prone at Florida until he became a pro so that's not really a strong argument on your behalf, no offense.
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Sure did. But his health never came into play until he became a pro. Different level of competition. You won't find one person who knows football that wouldn't diagree with the notion that he needs to change his style of play in order to stay healthy.
I don't recall Fred Taylor being injury-prone at Florida until he became a pro so that's not really a strong argument on your behalf, no offense.
I agree with the premise the kid has been nicked up. But I don't agree that he is made out of glass. Maroney played in 14 games last year and also doubled as a return man in a vast majority of them. He was held out of the cinci game because he didnt have to play.
Made out of glass is a bold statement. A guy like Bob Sanders who misses ample time every year due to injury is more deserving of a moniker like that. I will hold of on calling Maroney made out of glass until he shows he is. Torn Rib cardalidge is not a nagging hammy. Thats a big hit and bad luck. Just my opinion.
If Maroney misses ample time this year due to nagging injury I would have no problem admitting he is injury proned.
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Do you agree that he needs to alter his style of play to prevent future injuries, bro?
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Do you agree that he needs to alter his style of play to prevent future injuries, bro?
Yes. He runs way to tall at times. I don't disagree with your post entirely. Just the made out of glass part. If he stays on the bench this season I will have no problem whatsoever agreeing fully with you. Imo the kick returns had a lot to do with the wear on his body last year.
If you play in 14 games your rookie year while bringing back kicks I dont see how you are made of glass.
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This just in. Lawrence Marouney is injury prone. (there are reports that he could miss more time after this week)Out for the second week in a row. He's not returning kicks this season either.
Sorry body88. Not injury prone, you say?
Not buying in.
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This just in. Lawrence Marouney is injury prone. (there are reports that he could miss more time after this week)Out for the second week in a row. He's not returning kicks this season either.
Sorry body88. Not injury prone, you say?
Not buying in.
Sammy Morris got over 100 yards on the browns today. Imo Beli is more concerned with a healthy feature rb for the Dallas game, then making him go at 80 percent so fantasy football players can get td's. Absolutly no need to make Maroney go when he is a little banged up, and when his backup gets over 100 yards on the regular.
Why make him go banged up when you dont need to? I agree Maroney has been nicked up, but the pats are thinking in term opf preservation for the season , not ff td's. No need for the guy to go why risk the re injury?
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Sammy Morris got over 100 yards on the browns today. Pretty sure Beli is more concerned with a healthy first rb for the Dallas then making him go at 80 percent so fantasy football players can get td's. Absolutly no need to make Maroney go when he is a little banged up when his backup gets over 100 yards on the regular.
Why make him go banged up when you dont need to?
I don't think it was a question of whether he was willing to go because there are early reports indicating he's a couple of weeks away from returning
I don't think he's 80%.
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I heard Maroney was suited up when he was told he would not go vs cinci. Why would he make the trip if he was a couple weeks away? It's not like they needed him with Morris/Faulk/Evans able to go and Rudy out with a injured hammie.
Imo Maroney would have went if this was a must win today. Like I said if you have the luxery of being able to stick your feature backs backup in and expect over 100 yards, why rush a guy back when he is nicked up? No reason for it. The season is sixteen weeks, why not let guys get to 100 percent when you can? That would be the smart move if you are trying to keep a team as healthy as possible for the long haul.
The pats O does not revolve around Maroney. Morris is capable of ripping off 100 plus yards any time he steps in a game. Jus my opinion. My money says he returns for Dallas fresh and ready to roll. In turn Morris will get his rest.
I jus cant see beli starting a guy when he is not 100 percent if he has the luxery to rest him and let his backup's get some reps. We shall see come next week. Who knows really, the pats would list a player who retired as day to day ;)
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The moss watch...
Leading the NFL in reception yards as of today. Passed his entire yardage total from 2006 in 5 games so far. Imo faced his first game where he was not the feature player due to Romeo trying to take him out of the picture. Brady missed moss a few times keeping his total for the day at 65 yards and no td's. Brady miss fired on a nice thirty yard hookup that would have led to a score. To high.
Moss was seen joking with his teamates and signing autographs for kids during /after the game. Looks like he was fine with not getting his hundred plus yards and 2 td's. After five games and an entire preseason this guy has been nothing but a great addition.
Brady has 16 tds and only 2 ints through fives games :o Qb rating still over 120. He had his worst day yesterday of the season. Went 25 for 38, 265 yards, 3td's, no ints. The d was not pressuring him, he was just off for whatever reason. Not bad for a off day @ the office. Brady is a serious MVP contender this season.
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Randy Moss. 4th game in a row with over a hundred yards with a new team (1st time in NFL history).All he cost was a 4th round pick , and a conditional 1 year contract for 3 million bucks? Trade of the century for NE.
All I know is that 4th round pick better become one helluva player. Raiders were robbed!!! Call the police!!!
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All I know is that 4th round pick better become one helluva player. Raiders were robbed!!! Call the police!!!
NE nabbed there third round pick in 2008 also. I would have been weary of Randy had he not only cost a fourth. Not to mention his contract is set up so he can be cut if they wish at any point. He is only getting three million bucks over his contract.
So far the guy has been a great teammate and AWESOME game breaker. His teammates love the guy. After seeing Randy interact with his team, the fans and all charity's I can say the media had a HUGE part in making this guy out to be a villain. Not saying Randy has not done some stupid things in the past, but he gets dragged through the mud much worse then is warrented.
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Tom Brady 1771 yards passing , 21 tds, 2 ints, qb rating off 128.9. Only qb in NFL history to pass for at least 3 td's in 6 consecutive starts. Just ridiculous numbers.
Randy Moss 40 receptions , 671 yards receiving , 8 td's , 15.1 avg.
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This just in.....Marouney is injury-prone.
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This just in.....Marouney is injury-prone.
So isn't Steven Jackson then. Jackson also missed two games in his first season, did you call him injury prone? Maroney is out with the same injury as Jackson right now. What does Maroney have to do with Brady and Moss anyway?
Maroney missed 2 games out of 16 games last year. He injured his groin early this year. His second year. Thats just bad luck imo. Jackson played in 16 games last year and is with the same injury. Is he now injury prone?
Your argument over Maroney's first year hold's no weight imo. Maroney missed 2 regular season games, but also made those up in playoff games. He led the NFL in kick returns also. playing in 14 out of 16 games while doing kick returns and playing in playoff games is not injuy prone. Not just yet.
I only say this because Ben Watson was injured his entire first year, then bounced back to play in all the 05 games. The injury prone talk is pre mature imo.
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Dude,
Forget about last year and how many games he played in while doing kick return duties.
I'm talking this year. He's missed 3 games in a row now and he's the feature back. He's probably going to be listed as questionable for the remainder of the year with this groin injury. The injury won't fully heal until the offseason because of the amount of stress players with the same kind of injury put on their hips.
I realize Marouney is your boy. I just like fucking with you because you defend him HARD.
He's killing my fantasy team, too. LOL!
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Dude,
Forget about last year and how many games he played in while doing kick return duties.
I'm talking this year. He's missed 3 games in a row now and he's the feature back. He's probably going to be listed as questionable for the remainder of the year with this groin injury. The injury won't fully heal until the offseason because of the amount of stress players with the same kind of injury put on their hips.
I realize Marouney is your boy. I just like fucking with you because you defend him HARD.
He's killing my fantasy team, too. LOL!
If you are basing it on this year then Jackson and several other big times backs are questionable to. Dont worry he will start getting td's.
Im not mad about it. I like debating.
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If you are basing it on this year then Jackson and several other big times backs are questionable to. Dont worry he will start getting td's.
Im not mad about it. I like debating.
Groin injuries are tough to deal with for NFL players, especially running backs. It's just a nagging injury that doesn't go away until you rest it for LONG period of time.
Steven Jackson will not be the same at all this year.
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CBS sports polled current NFL player's, coaches and personnel on a vast majority of topics recently.
Over 65 percent of NFL players, coaches, and personnel said they would choose Tom Brady over Payton Manning if they had the choice. I was surprised it was this definitive coming from actual NFL players and coaches.
The biggest Homefield advantage was a tie between KC and Indy.
T.O was voted most overrated player.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10404022
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its interesting that the same poll has Ray Lewis tied as the fourth most overrated player in the league. thats absolutely absurd and speaks for the legitimacy of the poll. to have Ray Lewis tied with Michael Vick??? ::)
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its interesting that the same poll has Ray Lewis tied as the fourth most overrated player in the league. thats absolutely absurd and speaks for the legitimacy of the poll. to have Ray Lewis tied with Michael Vick??? ::)
That poll is perfectly legitimate. Just because the poll does not give the results you want it to does not mean it is not a legit poll. CBS sports is a perfectly credible source. CBS simply polled a bunch of NFL players , coaches and personal on various questions. Just because the results don't go with your own personal opinion does not mean the polls are incorrect. It's not like some writers are railing of articles filled with there peronal opinion, they took a poll.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10404022
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ok you can use the poll and determine that Ray Lewis is just as overrated as Michael Vick, i'll use my common sense. when was the poll taken? i didnt realize that Michael Vick was reinstated.
polls are not legitimate.
just the same,just because the poll gave you the results you wanted doesnt make it legit.
again for the poll to state that Ray Lewis is tied for fourth place with Michael Vick as the most overrated speaks volumes of the poll (not to mention that Vick isnt even in the league). and i dont even care for Ray but i do know enough to realize he is not overrated.
any poll/person/player that admits that Ray Lewis is on par with Mike Vick can be taken for what its worth....
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Body88 let me ask you this yes or no question..
do you honestly think that Ray Lewis is the fourth most overrated player in the NFL?
according to the "legitimate" poll he is, do you agree?
just answer yes or no
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Body88 let me ask you this yes or no question..
do you honestly think that Ray Lewis is the fourth most overrated player in the NFL?
according to the "legitimate" poll he is, do you agree?
just answer yes or no
Just answer yes or no? I'm pretty sure fans off opposing teams in which there fav players are not shed in a good light are going to ask them same thing as proof the poll is illegitimate. The poll says the colts/kc have biggest home field advantage. That has been said for years. Kraft has been the most popular owner among players for years. TO / Vick / Williams have been called the most overrated NFL player for years. None of this is new. Brady was the consensus pick over Manning up until Manning won his superbowl. This year with comparable weapons Brady is lighting up Manning. CBS sports line has several anti patriot articles on it. The one from Shula comes to mind of the top of my head. So if you are insinuating they favor the pats you are incorrect.
The only reason you call this poll illegitimate is because it does not favor you. I posted an article in which cbs polled current NFL players coaches and personnel on various topics. If you don't agree that's fine. If this was an article that was based on a writers opinion I would agree it did not hold much weight. It's not , it is a pole put out by a sports reporting organization that has been heavily critical of teams like the pats.
Btw check out career stats of Brady and Manning. Before this year they are extremely close. Manning has an extra year on Brady also. Manning also has always been in a pass heavy system where they threw the ball much more. This year with comaparable weapons Brady is killing Manning stats wise. It's not because of a pass happy offense either. The colts are ranked 4th in the NFL for rushing the pats ranked 7th. The colts are only netting .3 more yards per game then the pats. Both teams have a top 5 defense, and the colts have the better drop back to sack ratio. The difference is Brady has some actual weapons to work with now. Something manning has always had.
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Alright. I stayed quiet reading about this bullshit poll with Ray Lewis rated in the top five "overrated" category.
But C'mon! Absolute nonsense with Lewis on that list. Lewis is a proud warrior who comes to play every Sunday. Always going full speed and always filling the hole. His physical talent has been undeniable. In my opinion, he will go down as the greatest sideline-to-sideline tackler in the history of the NFL. His name will be remembered with the greats after his career is long over. Nitchke, Butkus, Singletary, and yes Ray Lewis. A 9 time all-pro, 10 pro bowls, A two time defensive player of the year(TWO TIMES), a Super Bowl MVP. The most intense player to ever play middle linebacker.
Look at these sick stats:
Defense Stats
YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
1996 BAL 14 110 99 11 5 2.5 0 0 1 0 0
1997 BAL 16 184 157 27 10 4.0 1 0 1 18 0
1998 BAL 14 120 104 16 7 3.0 1 0 2 25 0
1999 BAL 16 168 132 36 8 3.5 0 0 3 97 0
2000 BAL 16 138 113 25 6 3.0 0 0 2 1 0
2001 BAL 16 162 117 45 10 3.5 1 0 3 115 0
2002 BAL 5 58 47 11 3 0.0 1 0 2 4 0
2003 BAL 16 163 125 38 14 1.5 2 0 6 99 1
2004 BAL 15 147 106 41 6 1.0 1 0 0 0 0
2005 BAL 6 46 38 8 2 1.0 0 0 1 0 0
2006 BAL 14 103 80 23 8 5.0 1 0 2 27 0
2007 BAL 6 46 33 13 3 0.0 0 0 1 0 0
Overrated? Whatever jefkoff sports columnist put Ray Lewis at the top of that list can:
EAT. A. DICK.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10404022
No writer makes any statement. This was a pole given to current NFL players , coaches and personal. Lewis was not rated the most overrated player. Vick, Roy Williams and Zack Thomas where the top votes. Which has been being said for years.
There is no opinion involved. Other then the players and coaches polled that is. He got ten percent of the votes.
I don't think the poll was saying Lewis has always been overrated. I think they are talking about Lewis in his current state. When you hear the name Ray Lewis you expect to see monster stats like from when he was in his prime. Currently he may be living of his name a bit. Which is totally understandable nobody is the best forever.
I just posted the link, don't shoot the messenger.
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10404022
No writer makes any statement. This was a pole given to current NFL players , coaches and personal. Lewis was not rated the most overrated player.Vick, Roy Williams and Zack Thomas where the top votes. Which has been being said for years.
There is no opinion involved. Other then the players and coaches polled that is. He got ten percent of the votes.
I don't think the poll was saying Lewis has always been overrated. I think they are talking about him in his current state. When you hear the name Ray Lewis you expect to see monster stats like from when he was in his prime. Currently he may be living of his name a bit. Which is totally understandable nobody is the best forever.
I just posted the link, dont shoot the messenger.
Wrong. I understand where you're going with this so it's cool. But Lewis still brings it every Sunday. Of course, no one's as good at age 32 then they were at 28. But he's till better than about 90% of the NFL's starting middle linebackers.
Sorry to sound so defensive but Ray's my boy.
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Just answer yes or no? I'm pretty sure fans off opposing teams in which there fav players are not shed in a good light are going to ask them same thing as proof the poll is illegitimate. The poll says the colts/kc have biggest home field advantage. That has been said for years. Kraft has been the most popular owner among players for years. TO / Vick / Williams have been called the most overrated NFL player for years. None of this is new. Brady was the consensus pick over Manning up until Manning won his superbowl. This year with comparable weapons Brady is lighting up Manning. CBS sports line has several anti patriot articles on it. The one from Shula comes to mind of the top of my head. So if you are insinuating they favor the pats you are incorrect.
The only reason you call this poll illegitimate is because it does not favor you. I posted an article in which cbs polled current NFL players coaches and personnel on various topics. If you don't agree that's fine. If this was an article that was based on a writers opinion I would agree it did not hold much weight. It's not , it is a pole put out by a sports reporting organization that has been heavily critical of teams like the pats.
again, your fanaticism with the Pats impairs your objectivity regarding what i said..for heavens sake did i ever insinuate that my disagreement with the poll was because the poll favored the Pats?
thats question 1 for you...
i question the legitimacy of the poll because i dont believe anyone in the league or anyone who has seen Ray Lewis play would rank him 4th most overrated.
you keep saying that the "poll does not favor me" your paranoia with everyone hating the Pats is a defense mechanism. this has absolutely nothing to do with the pats.
question 2- where in my previous posts have i mentioned the poll having anything to do with the Pats?
your paranoia brought the Pats up not me, that wasnt my intention.
question 3- do you HONESTLY believe Ray Lewis is the 4th most overrated player in the league right now?
Ray Lewis is in the top three of LB's playing today even with his current injuries.
could you please just answer the questions for once... i mean you are a mod right?
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http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10404022
Currently he may be living of his name a bit.
no offense but you can not be serious....do you even know what team he plays for? or what sport for that matter..
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no offense but you can not be serious....do you even know what team he plays for? or what sport for that matter..
Oh brother. First off Lewis is is not the player he used to be. Secondly I guess this pole is horseshit because 10 percent of the people polled called Lewis currently overrated. Last time I checked there where 4 players ahead of him.
Find me a better reason this poll is shit other then a player you love is on it negatively.
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again, your fanaticism with the Pats impairs your objectivity regarding what i said..for heavens sake did i ever insinuate that my disagreement with the poll was because the poll favored the Pats?
thats question 1 for you...
i question the legitimacy of the poll because i dont believe anyone in the league or anyone who has seen Ray Lewis play would rank him 4th most overrated.
you keep saying that the "poll does not favor me" your paranoia with everyone hating the Pats is a defense mechanism. this has absolutely nothing to do with the pats.
question 2- where in my previous posts have i mentioned the poll having anything to do with the Pats?
your paranoia brought the Pats up not me, that wasnt my intention.
question 3- do you HONESTLY believe Ray Lewis is the 4th most overrated player in the league right now?
Ray Lewis is in the top three of LB's playing today even with his current injuries.
could you please just answer the questions for once... i mean you are a mod right?
So the only reason you think this pole is shit is because Ray Lewis is on it? I never said you disagreed with the poll because of the pats. I made points pointing to why I felt the finding's where legit. I talked about several other aspects of the poll also. Whats with you cherry picking my posts to fit your agenda? I talked about the pats some because they are on the pole twice, and I don't understand why CBS would be very critical of a team like the pats, turn positive towards the same team, then doctor the poll findings to be critical of Ray Lewis.
Btw just because I am a mod does not mean I cannot post about things I like in the thread dedicated to it. Please stop acting like a fool with the mod crap. Start your own ray Lewis thread if you want. I don't get this fascination you have with me starting threads for fans of other teams.
You understand this was a poll given to NFL players and coaches correct. Are you saying CBS made all this up to screw over Ray Lewis by listing 4 players ahead of him in there overrated player results.
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sooo...you cant answer the questions ??
why not?
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sooo...you cant answer the questions ??
why not?
Love how you just avoided my rebuttal post like the plague. fact is you cherry pick posts to fit your argument ignoring half of what I say.
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Love how you just avioded my rebuttle post like the plague. fact is you cherry pick posts to fit your argument ignoring half of what I say.
If you look at my post I did answer your question in the first response.
actually your post support my argument you just cant see the forest from the trees.
and you didnt answer my questions in red.
i'll make it easy on you and just ask one..again
do you think Ray Lewis is the 4th overrated player in the league?
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actually your post support my argument you just cant see the forest from the trees.
and you didnt answer my questions in red.
i'll make it easy on you and just ask one..again
do you think Ray Lewis is the 4th overrated player in the league?
Apparently you cannot see the forest through the trees my friend. You said Ray Lewis was a top three LB in the leauge. Bro Lewis is not even in the top 10. He has not been for the last three years. I did answer your question, just not the way you wanted it which would fit your agenda and cherry picking of my posts. Btw you avioded half my rebuttle post's.
2007
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=TACKLES&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG
2006
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2006&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
2005
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2005&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
2004
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All I know is that 4th round pick better become one helluva player. Raiders were robbed!!! Call the police!!!
;D
So true and hopefully the Pats can get two full seasons out of him before he turns into a head case again.
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Apparently you cannot see the forest through the trees my friend. You said Ray Lewis was a top three LB in the leauge. Bro Lewis is not even in the top 10. I did answer your question, just not the way you wanted it which would fit your agenda and cherry picking of my posts. Btw you avioded half my rebuttle post's.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=TACKLES&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG
i said nothing about CBS and their legitimacy, i do not think CBS created this poll to "screw him" my original argument was to question the legitimacy of the poll being that they "polled" him as the 4th most overrated player in the league.
you actually think Ray isnt even in the top ten in his position? thats interesting. really it is.
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i said nothing about CBS and their legitimacy, i do not think CBS created this poll to "screw him" my original argument was to question the legitimacy of the poll being that they "polled" him as the 4th most overrated player in the league.
you actually think Ray isnt even in the top ten in his position? thats interesting. really it is.
I think that? The NFl stats say that. Next time at least look before you call a guy who has not been a top ten lb for the least three years a top three player.
2007
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=TACKLES&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG
2006
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2006&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
2005
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2005&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
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Apparently you cannot see the forest through the trees my friend. You said Ray Lewis was a top three LB in the league. Bro Lewis is not even in the top 10. I did answer your question, just not the way you wanted it which would fit your agenda and cherry picking of my posts. Btw you avoided half my rebuttal post's.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=TACKLES&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG
You two guys DO know that there is more than one position at LB, correct?
Body88, when you say Lewis isn't in the top ten are you referring to top 10 middle linebackers? Or are you giving an overall LB ranking that encompasses Middle LB, Weakside LB, and Strongside LB collectively??
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You two guys DO know that there is more than one position at LB, correct?
Body88, when you say Lewis isn't in the top ten are you referring to top 10 middle linebackers? Or are you giving an overall LB ranking that encompasses Middle LB, Weakside LB, and Strongside LB collectively??
Of course I know that. Then we could delve into the issue of different schemes and personnel inflating certain lb's numbers making this whole thing moot. I love how you guys are acting like I am the one saying I hate Ray Lewis.
I don't think 10 percent of NFL players saying Lewis is a tad overrated at this stage in his career is shocking. He has been hampered b injury and is getting older. Does not change the fact he is a HOF player. Imo I think they where referring to current day play.
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I think that? The NFl stats say that. Next time at least look before you call a guy who has not been a top ten lb for the least three years a top three player.
2007
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=TACKLES&conference=null&season=2007&seasonType=REG
2006
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2006&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
2005
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=TACKLES&season=2005&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=false&Submit=Find
so you would take D'Qwell Jackson over Ray Lewis because he is higher on the list?
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so you would take D'Qwell Jackson over Ray Lewis because he is higher on the list?
Depends on the scheme and personnel.
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You two guys DO know that there is more than one position at LB, correct?
Body88, when you say Lewis isn't in the top ten are you referring to top 10 middle linebackers? Or are you giving an overall LB ranking that encompasses Middle LB, Weakside LB, and Strongside LB collectively??
yeah i do know that, i would still take Ray top three overall.
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I'm certainly no expert but I think a lot of people think Lewis has been living off of the reputation he earned earlier in his career. He's clearly still a very good football player but at least in some people's opinion he's not nearly as good as he used to be. Brett Favre is the same way.
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I'm certainly no expert but I think a lot of people think Lewis has been living off of the reputation he earned earlier in his career. He's clearly still a very good football player but at least in some people's opinion he's not nearly as good as he used to be. Brett Favre is the same way.
i am no Ray Lewis fan per say but i do think he is still one of the best, as far as Brett he is not the same. both however require support around them, currently Brett does have that support and Ray does not. for ex. Brett throws 2 picks last week and they still win, he is on a decent team this year.
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over under on Randy Moss getting more than 21 tds?
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i am no Ray Lewis fan per say but i do think he is still one of the best, as far as Brett he is not the same. both however require support around them, currently Brett does have that support and Ray does not. for ex. Brett throws 2 picks last week and they still win, he is on a decent team this year.
We could actually argue about this all day and get nowhere. Lb's have different responsibilities in different schemes. Sort of like a guy like Seymour. He numbers are not as gaudy as they could be do to the system he plays in.
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over under on Randy Moss getting more than 21 tds?
Who knows. Teams are starting to scheme against him now.
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We could actually argue about this all day and get nowhere. Lb's have different responsibilities in different schemes. Sort of like a guy like Seymour. He numbers are not as gaudy as they could be do to the system he plays in.
i guess. i just hate favre.
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Of course I know that. Then we could delve into the issue of different schemes and personnel inflating certain lb's numbers making this whole thing moot. I love how you guys are acting like I am the one saying I hate Ray Lewis.
I didn't accuse you of that. I just take exception of your opinion with Lewis not being in your top ten. Aggressive defensive schemes and personnel can favorably affect a players' individual stats. But the game film doesn't lie when it comes to Lewis' play on the field. I agree his play has slipped a little and I'll tell you the main reason: loss of shoulder strength over the years due to excess wear and tear over the years. Lewis used to be stronger where he could 'shock' blockers off of him with thrusts. Now after a shoulder surgery, playing 10 seasons, signs of diminishing skill are becoming more apparent.
But I'd take him first at MLB over any other player in the NFL at his position.
ps--Body88, hit the spellcheck before you post, dude. You're a MOD for Christs sakes.
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Who knows. Teams are starting to scheme against him now.
overunder at 21 i say over, even if they scheme for him Wes will eat them up. i think if they lost Welker that would be more of a detriment than losing Moss. Randy will have around 24 tds i think.
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But I'd take him first at MLB over any other player in the NFL at his position.
ps--Body88, hit the spellcheck before you post, dude. You're a MOD for Christs sakes.
at MLB i would have him first or second easily.
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I didn't accuse you of that. I just take exception on your opinion of Lewis not being in your top ten. Aggressive defensive schemes and personnel can favorably affect a players' individual stats. But the game film doesn't lie when it comes to Lewis' play on the field. I agree his play has slipped a little and I'll tell you the main reason: lack of shoulder strength over the years due to excess wear and tear over the years. Lewis used to be stronger where he could 'shock' blockers off of him with thrusts. Now after a shoulder surgery, playing 10 seasons, signs of dimishing skill are becoming more apparent.
But I'd take him first at MLB over any other player in the NFL at his position.
Good post. Seeing as though I do not watch Lewis week in and week out I might have relied heavily on the stats. You bring up a great point actually. If you look at a guy like Seymour's stats they might not be as gaudy as they could be but he is invaluable to his system.
Saying Lewis would not be in my top ten was a stretch. Although this year I don't know if he would be in my top ten. That is not due to his play in past years, I have said several times Lewis is a HOF player and one of the best ever.
I am typing this with my nephew crawling all over the place. Forgive me if I did not choose to check my posts over good enough today. Btw you spelled diminishing wrong ;)
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i am no Ray Lewis fan per say but i do think he is still one of the best, as far as Brett he is not the same. both however require support around them, currently Brett does have that support and Ray does not. for ex. Brett throws 2 picks last week and they still win, he is on a decent team this year.
I don't think he's one of the best anymore, I think he's a great leader and I think he contributes a lot but I don't see him as one of the best. Favre isn't superman anymore but he tried to be for the last few years and made way too many stupid decisions. The game before this last one he reverted back to the bad decision making.
body is right, this debate could go on for hours with no real headway being made. Impact on a game without factoring in statistics is a judgement call and we all have our own judgements.
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over under on Randy Moss getting more than 21 tds?
I don't see him getting 21, body said it first and he's right. Teams are focusing in on Moss now. The problem for them is that leaves Welker or Watson or Stallworth open. There are so many weapons that defenses are screwed no matter who they focus on.
I'd guess he ends up with 12-16. I know the gap is pretty large between 12 and 16 but I'd guess somewhere between those two numbers.
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I don't see him getting 21, body said it first and he's right. Teams are focusing in on Moss now. The problem for them is that leaves Welker or Watson or Stallworth open. There are so many weapons that defenses are screwed no matter who they focus on.
I'd guess he ends up with 12-16. I know the gap is pretty large between 12 and 16 but I'd guess somewhere between those two numbers.
he will get more than 16.
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I hope you're right, I'd love to see him get 21.
The fact that the Pats love spreading the ball around and that other teams are keying in on him now makes me doubt it though.
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I hope you're right, I'd love to see him get 21.
The fact that the Pats love spreading the ball around and that other teams are keying in on him now makes me doubt it though.
I agree. Moss will go over 1000 yards. I dunno about 21 td's. Opposing coaches will work hard to scheme him. Like you said guys like Watson, Stallworth and Welker will thrive from the defensive attention Randy receives.
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Did anyone just see that TD catch by Moss? HOLY SHIT. Brady already has 3 tds in the first quarter.
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Randy Moss just made another one of the best catches I have ever seen for td. Double covered again. Holy shit. Brady is 11 for 11 over 220 yards with 4 tds after 1 quarter!
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Brady is from another planet. FOUR touchdowns in the first half so far. Crazy.
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Brady is from another planet. FOUR touchdowns in the first half so far. Crazy.
We all know I am a huge pats fan, but this is unreal. The dolphins are a bad team, but these are still pro football players.
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42 - 7 @ half time. I think it's about time to showcase Cassel to other teams.
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five TD passes in one half. Holy SHit!! :o :o :o
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five TD passes in one half. Holy SHit!! :o :o :o
27 td passes to two ints over 7 games :o Hopefully then give Eckel a ton of touches in the second half. I want to see if this kid is the real deal.
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Haha, Cassel comes in , throws a bonehead pick , they yank Cassel and Brady comes in to score a td. Now I bet they put Cassel back in.
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4-3.
Not a good spot to be in with a monster second half schedule which features the Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, and Colts.
So many injuries this year, though. The O-line has taken a beating. Not having Heap and Mcallister was tough to overcome today.
Hopefully after the bye week, they'll be at full strength.
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4-3.
Not a good spot to be in with a monster second half schedule which features the Steelers, Chargers, Patriots, and Colts.
So many injuries this year, though. The O-line has taken a beating. Not having Heap and Mcallister was tough to overcome today.
Hopefully after the bye week, they'll be at full strength.
You guys will pull it together.
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I don't know. It depends if they can get some of their core players back. Trevor Price, Chris Mcallister, Todd Heap, two O-line starters after the bye week.
At this point, I'd be happy with a 10 win season and a wildcard.
They're one game off of last year's record after 7 games. But the offense really needs to get their shit together. Penalties did them in today as well.
Tough game in 2 weeks on Monday night at the Steelers.
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Those two TD catches Moss made just highlight how enormously talented he really is. And to think nobody wanted him...