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Yes.  

By the end of medical school and college you will have 300k in debt + correct.  Under MugabeCare, reimbursements are getting slashed.  

first off nitwit, in a recession everyone has to take a hit..Doctors are no exception...Lawyers incomes are down drastically....Doctors deserve no special economic advantages....

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The Hospitals are 83% empty of Doctors now. 

We are in a commy tyranny state.

The sky is falling


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your basement must be really comfortable for you to sit there and come up with this stuff.....AMAZING..I'm starting to think you are actually gh15 as well :)

i think his moms basement has extremely high mold levels   :D

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The Hospitals are 83% empty of Doctors now. 

We are in a commy tyranny state.

The sky is falling


SPIN COCK lives.


Do you even know a fucking thing about the details of obamacare?

Doctors hate it because they are going to be forced to see more people for less pay.   How do you think that works out for the average patient?  

 



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i think his moms basement has extremely high mold levels   :D

 :D does inhaling mold cause mental illness??

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:D does inhaling mold cause mental illness??

Toxic Black Mold Symptoms - Mental & Neurological
The trichothecene mycotoxins produced by toxic black mold are neurotoxic. This means they can kill neurons in the brain and impair a person's mental ability. They also cause nervous disorders such as tremors and can cause personality changes such as mood swings and irritability.

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Doctors hate ObamaCare even more than you do

By: John Hayward 
3/15/2012 09:49 AM

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Heath care is an expensive product, with high demand chasing limited supply.  There are only so many doctors, and training new ones requires a long education at great personal expense.  Meanwhile, advances in medicine are steadily prolonging life and improving its quality.
 
It follows that if we want to decrease the cost of health care (or, to use the currently popular political vernacular, “improve access”) we need more doctors.  Conversely, reducing the supply of doctors would make medical care more expensive, and reduce its quality.  If government controls are then applied to skyrocketing costs, shortages and rationing would be the inevitable result.
 
What will ObamaCare do to the supply of doctors?  For the answer, we turn to a Heritage Foundation report on a new survey of the medical profession, which confirms the results of a previous survey from 2010.  Doctors hate ObamaCare even more than the general public does, with 60 percent of respondents saying it will “have a negative impact on overall patient care,” but that’s not the worst of it:
 
The Doctors Company, which is the largest insurer of physician and surgeon medical liability in the nation, received more than 5,000 surveys, including all specialties and every region in the country. The results weren’t good for the President’s signature piece of legislation.
 
Not only do doctors believe that Obamacare will not improve the health care system, they also anticipate that it will worsen the current condition. According to the survey, nine out of 10 physicians are unwilling to recommend health care as a profession to a family member, and one primary care physician even commented, “I would not recommend becoming an M.D. to anyone.”
 
Obamacare doesn’t just discourage entrance into the medical profession; it encourages those who are already practicing to leave it. The survey states that “health care reform is motivating doctors to change their retirement timeline.” In fact, 43 percent of respondents said they are considering retiring within the next five years as a result of the law. A surgeon from Michigan wrote that under Obamacare, “We will be moving further away from humanity-based health care and more towards the patient as a commodity. This was not the way my father practiced—nor will I. Winding down to retire early.”
 
(Emphases mine.)  This comes as the United States teeters “on the brink of a severe physician shortage,” with the American Association of Medical Colleges estimating that we’ll need 91,500 more doctors by 2020 to meet demand.
 
This is the sort of disastrous “side effect” that probably wasn’t included in the Congressional Budget Office’s already horrific estimate of ObamaCare’s exploding costs.  It’s also damage that would not be easy to reverse.  If ObamaCare is not repealed soon, the loss of doctors will ripple forward for years… and the necessity of tight “death panel” rationing of precious doctor time will be used as a club by Democrats to not only keep ObamaCare, but actually make it worse.  Wait until the doctors of 2014 get a load of the tidal wave pouring into their offices to collect their mandated benefits… and look behind them to see an increasingly large army of stern bureaucrats dictating the fast-food practices necessary to keep the human cattle moving through those exam rooms.
 
Let’s hear Health and Human Cattle Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius tell us some more about that private-sector “death spiral” ObamaCare was supposed to fix!

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Doctors hate ObamaCare even more than you do

By: John Hayward 
3/15/2012 09:49 AM

www.humanevents.com



Heath care is an expensive product, with high demand chasing limited supply.  There are only so many doctors, and training new ones requires a long education at great personal expense.  Meanwhile, advances in medicine are steadily prolonging life and improving its quality.
 
It follows that if we want to decrease the cost of health care (or, to use the currently popular political vernacular, “improve access”) we need more doctors.  Conversely, reducing the supply of doctors would make medical care more expensive, and reduce its quality.  If government controls are then applied to skyrocketing costs, shortages and rationing would be the inevitable result.
 
What will ObamaCare do to the supply of doctors?  For the answer, we turn to a Heritage Foundation report on a new survey of the medical profession, which confirms the results of a previous survey from 2010.  Doctors hate ObamaCare even more than the general public does, with 60 percent of respondents saying it will “have a negative impact on overall patient care,” but that’s not the worst of it:
 
The Doctors Company, which is the largest insurer of physician and surgeon medical liability in the nation, received more than 5,000 surveys, including all specialties and every region in the country. The results weren’t good for the President’s signature piece of legislation.
 
Not only do doctors believe that Obamacare will not improve the health care system, they also anticipate that it will worsen the current condition. According to the survey, nine out of 10 physicians are unwilling to recommend health care as a profession to a family member, and one primary care physician even commented, “I would not recommend becoming an M.D. to anyone.”
 
Obamacare doesn’t just discourage entrance into the medical profession; it encourages those who are already practicing to leave it. The survey states that “health care reform is motivating doctors to change their retirement timeline.” In fact, 43 percent of respondents said they are considering retiring within the next five years as a result of the law. A surgeon from Michigan wrote that under Obamacare, “We will be moving further away from humanity-based health care and more towards the patient as a commodity. This was not the way my father practiced—nor will I. Winding down to retire early.”
 
(Emphases mine.)  This comes as the United States teeters “on the brink of a severe physician shortage,” with the American Association of Medical Colleges estimating that we’ll need 91,500 more doctors by 2020 to meet demand.
 
This is the sort of disastrous “side effect” that probably wasn’t included in the Congressional Budget Office’s already horrific estimate of ObamaCare’s exploding costs.  It’s also damage that would not be easy to reverse.  If ObamaCare is not repealed soon, the loss of doctors will ripple forward for years… and the necessity of tight “death panel” rationing of precious doctor time will be used as a club by Democrats to not only keep ObamaCare, but actually make it worse.  Wait until the doctors of 2014 get a load of the tidal wave pouring into their offices to collect their mandated benefits… and look behind them to see an increasingly large army of stern bureaucrats dictating the fast-food practices necessary to keep the human cattle moving through those exam rooms.
 
Let’s hear Health and Human Cattle Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius tell us some more about that private-sector “death spiral” ObamaCare was supposed to fix!



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Do you even know a fucking thing about the details of obamacare?

Doctors hate it because they are going to be forced to see more people for less pay.   How do you think that works out for the average patient?  

 




You don't know the first thing about doctors.  Evident as how you won't see one to help with your pyscho delusional state of mind.


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Do you even know a fucking thing about the details of obamacare?

Doctors hate it because they are going to be forced to see more people for less pay.   How do you think that works out for the average patient?  




Do you?   ::)

Or have you just been sucking conservative SPIN COCK so long you think its normal?


SO ARE 83% PERCENT OF THE DOCTORS QUITTING NOW 3333333?

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The Hospitals are 83% empty of Doctors now. 

We are in a commy tyranny state.

The sky is falling


SPIN COCK lives.

It's hilarious seeing him start a thread like this and then on the inside he is running, ducking, and getting smacked like a obese girl during high school dodge ball class.  

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It's hilarious seeing him start a thread like this and then on the inside he is running, ducking, and getting smacked like a obese girl during high school dodge ball class.  

LOL  - you idiots know more than the majority who hate obamacare.  Got it.    ::)  ::)

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yep, big problem at ER today because 83% of doctors quit.

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yep, big problem at ER today because 83% of doctors quit.


Spin however you like - I have not seen even one study to where a majority of docs favor this insanity.   

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Spin however you like - I have not seen even one study to where a majority of docs favor this insanity.   

Oh you mean how you claim 83% of doctors are going to quit?   ::)

Grow up.  You are so stupid sometimes.

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Oh you mean how you claim 83% of doctors are going to quit?   ::)

Grow up.  You are so stupid sometimes.

THE POLL RESULTS SAY - "MAY QUIT"   

DID IT SAY "WILL QUIT" ? ? ? ? 

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"may" quit is pretty thin.

They "may" attend the Mr O expo and decide to turn tranny.

They "may" do a lot of things.

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Ok 3333.
Check this out... I just read up on the DPMA...
Now.. you can retract this bull shit.. or i can destroy you... yet again... on the pure fuckedupedness of this thread...


Ill start this off with a small tidbit...


The DPMA has been around since 2011...


Now... im going to breakfast... and when i get back... this shit better be corrected and properly vetted or i will do my customary dismantling of the whole shit.

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THE POLL RESULTS SAY - "MAY QUIT"   

DID IT SAY "WILL QUIT" ? ? ? ? 




SPIN COCK 333333, suck it good, suck it hard, swallow whole.

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Ok 3333.
Check this out... I just read up on the DPMA...
Now.. you can retract this bull shit.. or i can destroy you... yet again... on the pure fuckedupedness of this thread...


Ill start this off with a small tidbit...


The DPMA has been around since 2011...


Now... im going to breakfast... and when i get back... this shit better be corrected and properly vetted or i will do my customary dismantling of the whole shit.


I have yet to see even one study, one, other than Obama's fake "doctors for america" bullshit you tried to get over on us, supporting this insanity.  


2 docs in the gym i know are furious over this shit, Shootfighter hates it, talk to most docs they hate it.  


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Ok 3333.
Check this out... I just read up on the DPMA...
Now.. you can retract this bull shit.. or i can destroy you... yet again... on the pure fuckedupedness of this thread...


Ill start this off with a small tidbit...


The DPMA has been around since 2011...


Now... im going to breakfast... and when i get back... this shit better be corrected and properly vetted or i will do my customary dismantling of the whole shit.

 :D :D :D  do tell us ;D

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I have yet to see even one study, one, other than Obama's fake "doctors for america" bullshit you tried to get over on us, supporting this insanity.  


2 docs in the gym i know are furious over this shit, Shootfighter hates it, talk to most docs they hate it.  



Well at least one should be quitting  lol

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45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul


By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/15/2009 07:09 PM ET





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Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
 
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
 
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
 
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.
 
Major findings included:
 
• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
 
It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."
 
Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."
 
The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.
 
• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
 
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.
 
• More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% — the most lopsided response in the poll — answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."
 
This response is consistent with critics who complain that the administration and congressional Democrats have yet to explain how, even with the current number of physicians and nurses, they can cover more people and lower the cost at the same time.
 
The only way, the critics contend, is by rationing care — giving it to some and denying it to others. That cuts against another claim by plan supporters — that care would be better.
 
IBD/TIPP's finding that many doctors could leave the business suggests that such rationing could be more severe than even critics believe. Rationing is one of the drawbacks associated with government plans in countries such as Canada and the U.K. Stories about growing waiting lists for badly needed care, horror stories of care gone wrong, babies born on sidewalks, and even people dying as a result of care delayed or denied are rife.
 
In this country, the number of doctors is already lagging population growth.
 
From 2003 to 2006, the number of active physicians in the U.S. grew by just 0.8% a year, adding a total of 25,700 doctors.
 
Recent population growth has been 1% a year. Patients, in short, are already being added faster than physicians, creating a medical bottleneck.
 
The great concern is that, with increased mandates, lower pay and less freedom to practice, doctors could abandon medicine in droves, as the IBD/TIPP Poll suggests. Under the proposed medical overhaul, an additional 47 million people would have to be cared for — an 18% increase in patient loads, without an equivalent increase in doctors. The actual effect could be somewhat less because a significant share of the uninsured already get care.
 
Even so, the government vows to cut hundreds of billions of dollars from health care spending to pay for reform, which would encourage a flight from the profession.
 
The U.S. today has just 2.4 physicians per 1,000 population — below the median of 3.1 for members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the official club of wealthy nations.
 
Adding millions of patients to physicians' caseloads would threaten to overwhelm the system. Medical gatekeepers would have to deny care to large numbers of people. That means care would have to be rationed.
 
"It's like giving everyone free bus passes, but there are only two buses," Dr. Ted Epperly, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, told the Associated Press.
 
Hope for a surge in new doctors may be misplaced. A recent study from the Association of American Medical Colleges found steadily declining enrollment in medical schools since 1980.
 
The study found that, just with current patient demand, the U.S. will have 159,000 fewer doctors than it needs by 2025. Unless corrected, that would make some sort of medical rationing or long waiting lists almost mandatory.
 
Experiments at the state level show that an overhaul isn't likely to change much.
 
On Monday came word from the Massachusetts Medical Society — a group representing physicians in a state that has implemented an overhaul similar to that under consideration in Washington — that doctor shortages remain a growing problem.
 
Its 2009 Physician Workforce Study found that:
 
• The primary care specialties of family medicine and internal medicine are in short supply for a fourth straight year.
 
• The percentage of primary care practices closed to new patients is the highest ever recorded.
 
• Seven of 18 specialties — dermatology, neurology, urology, vascular surgery and (for the first time) obstetrics-gynecology, in addition to family and internal medicine — are in short supply.
 
• Recruitment and retention of physicians remains difficult, especially at community hospitals and with primary care.
 
A key reason for the doctor shortages, according to the study, is a "lingering poor practice environment in the state."
 
In 2006, Massachusetts passed its medical overhaul — minus a public option — similar to what's being proposed on a national scale now. It hasn't worked as expected. Costs are higher, with insurance premiums rising 22% faster than in the U.S. as a whole.
 
"Health spending in Massachusetts is higher than the United States on average and is growing at a faster rate," according to a recent report from the Urban Institute.
 
Other states with government-run or mandated health insurance systems, including Maine, Tennessee and Hawaii, have been forced to cut back services and coverage.
 
This experience has been repeated in other countries where a form of nationalized care is common. In particular, many nationalized health systems seem to have trouble finding enough doctors to meet demand.
 
In Britain, a lack of practicing physicians means the country has had to import thousands of foreign doctors to care for patients in the National Health Service.
 
"A third of (British) primary care trusts are flying in (general practitioners) from as far away as Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Switzerland" because of a doctor shortage, a recent story in the British Daily Mail noted.
 
British doctors, demoralized by long hours and burdensome rules, simply refuse to see patients at nights and weekends.
 
Likewise, Canadian physicians who have to deal with the stringent rules and income limits imposed by that country's national health plan have emigrated in droves to other countries, including the U.S.
 
Tomorrow: Why most doctors oppose the government's plan — in their own words.


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I have yet to see even one study, one, other than Obama's fake "doctors for america" bullshit you tried to get over on us, supporting this insanity.  


2 docs in the gym i know are furious over this shit, Shootfighter hates it, talk to most docs they hate it.  



I interact with hundreds of docs through my job.  ER and OR.  I know every single doc that sets foot on our property and works/bills for patients here.

Not a single one of them is quitting, may be quitting or even said they were quitting.

This isn't about supporting Obamacare, this is about you proving your stupid ass claim that docs are quitting.  When pressed for facts and evidence all your submit is a skewed biased crap poll.

HAHAHA you prove everyday you are not a real lawyer.

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Thanks Obamacare: 83% of Doctors Surveyed Say They May Quit
 Townhall ^ | 06/15/2012 | Kate Hicks


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 If this isn't an airtight argument .... 


anything after the words, "townhall.com" is just...
yada yada yada...

airtight; about as airtight as someone's butthole.  ;D
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