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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on October 15, 2014, 08:47:20 AM
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Same Body Weight.
This pic was taken July 4th, 2006.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
This one was taken April 1, 2014.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528255.0;attach=559922;image)
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Black vest to hide nipple-on
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Same Body Weight.
8 Years, epic slow progress. :-\
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You look great man!
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I would say no progress
there is such a thing as genetic limit. your hormone levels will only allow you to go so far...
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Sounds like its time for some testosterona, HRT style. ;D
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Looking like stage 2 Palumboism. Still reversible.
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Your shoes cost more than my car.
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Have you considered implementing some resistance training?
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This one was taken April 1, 2014.
Bearing in mind your past record on here does this date have any significance to the authenticity of the photograph?
;D
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Looking like stage 2 Palumboism. Still reversible.
Your debilitatingly low IQ is not however.
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I would say no progress
there is such a thing as genetic limit. your hormone levels will only allow you to go so far...
There is some progress. I mean I am clearly a bit leaner at a higher body weight, so that must mean something. :-\
This should be a good illustration of what one can expect if they are truly a lifetime natural. Gains slow to a crawl. I would estimate probably 7-9 lb gain in 8 years.
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When are the gains going to come?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=174282.0;attach=202209;image)
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I think I am going to have to start siding with Simple Simon more when it comes to judging Lifetime Naturals. Its pretty funny after looking back at old photos of mine and now and then seeing some of these so called "Natural" competitors.
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Stagnant Gains! Epic 1 lb or less a year.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=174282.0;attach=202209;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
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Perhaps but you really can't compare yourself to someone who has good genetics for muscle building. That wouldn't be realistic. You've done great for someone who is almost a pure ectomorph w/ little underlying athletic makeup.
Well I did make it to Regionals in Track, Cross-Country and Swimming. I was an epic 130-140 lbs though.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/StuartGilbertJohnRandolph.jpg)
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TA looks great.
But, I think he could maintain that with half the volume moving forward, if he desired.
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Here is Layne Norton without all the fancy lighting and photoshop.
(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/Contest%20prep%202010/DSC_0005.jpg)
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Natural bodybuilding quickly becomes body maintenance after a few years of training. You're training to mainly just to maintain the mass you already have rather then add any more.
I've noticed that bodyparts can hit their natural limit at different stages though. I swear my chest maxed out after barely 9 months while my back continues to improve slightly every year.
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Perhaps but you really can't compare yourself to someone who has good genetics for muscle building. That wouldn't be realistic. You've done great for someone who is almost a pure ectomorph w/ little underlying athletic makeup.
the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
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Have you considered implementing some resistance training?
Let's not get crazy here!
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the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
I will say I have noticed a few changes so far and I am in week 3 of your training. I have never trained like this so it will be interesting to see over the coming weeks if I can get a little ahead. Next week, the hard shit begins.
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They just don't make em like that anymore.
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Looking good, Adonis.
What is your diet like , these days
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I think what I need to do is Auschwitz it out one good time. I mean REALLY Auschwitz it out- 4 percenter and hold it for a few months. I usually keep my calories around 3000-4000 to maintain and 2400 to diet down. I can ride 2400 all the way down, it just takes forever and a day. I put myself back on 2400 these past 3 weeks and am leaning down fine. I was thinking of lowering to 2300 or 2200 for phase 2. I find that just 100 calories less makes a huge difference.
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the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
From what ive seen natural BB is all structure, muscle shape, and insertion points.... basically the illusion. The actual amount of mass is about the same across the board
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Looking good, Adonis.
What is your diet like , these days
2400 Calories for single digits body fat. Around 60-100 grams protein.
Then 3000-4000 to maintain. Sprinkled here and there with extremely high calorie days when I am not on my 2400. I usually do 2400 for about 4-6 months, then I don`t bother counting for the rest of the 6-8 months. I estimate 3000 on the low end during that time, most likely a lot higher though. A great deal higher.
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I will say I have noticed a few changes so far and I am in week 3 of your training. I have never trained like this so it will be interesting to see over the coming weeks if I can get a little ahead. Next week, the hard shit begins.
Increase your fibre intake, you should be fine.
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Lol @ Adonis using himself as the pinnacle of natural muscle building. ;D
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Increase your fibre intake, you should be fine.
Well, I am about to eat a Nestle Drumstick for a snack. Jezebelle made Scottish Shortbread and Applesauce out of some apples she picked, I`m too lazy at the moment to combine the two, so I will just eat the Drumstick.
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I will say I have noticed a few changes so far and I am in week 3 of your training. I have never trained like this so it will be interesting to see over the coming weeks if I can get a little ahead. Next week, the hard shit begins.
that's why I put in the post 'your lazy and don't train enough'
since a bigger muscle is an adaptation to stress, how can the natty w/o drugs increase the size of his muscle then?
here's cholo4life sitting at home lamenting the fact he's a beanpole w 'shit genetics for building muscle' and he's only working it once a week. lol what the fuck did you think would happen- that once a week arm workout is going to cause you to need to cut the sleeves off your shirts? lol fuck then it's all chalked up to 'bad genetics for muscle building'. then he comes on here and spreads the 'bad genetics for muscle building' gospel. no. he's just lazy.
the only logical way would be to stress the muscle more frequently to force the necessary adaptations.
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You look good man.
I do think you maxed out in 2006 though.
Only thing you can do still is fluctuate in bodyfatt and glycogen storage for a better look.
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Lol @ Adonis using himself as the pinnacle of natural muscle building. ;D
Oh hell no. I`m not delusional. Plus, I am just in competition with myself and nobody else. The other Lifetime Natural for me are just reference points. I am certainly nothing special and I know I look like a stick figure. I am okay with that though.
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Looking good, my fellow natural brother. But how about some shots other than side chest?
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Setting blacks aside, since no one is going to argue that the better specimens of that race have ridiculous muscle building genes, yes, some people do have better genetics for building muscle, which is perhaps what you're referring to as "denser fiber." However, you're so myopically focused on the bodybuilding/drug culture, which is what you're experience is in, that you can't even comprehend this.
Look at any college football program. Some of the kids will be much "denser," stronger, etc., than others (at the same height). Those kids have better genetics to build muscle than other kids in the program. That's why some are linebackers and some are wide receivers. The kid who is 6'2" 235 and fairly lean is going to hold onto a lot more muscle if he dieted down than the kid who is 6'2" 185, even if the 185 kid is already lean.
fuck your dumb.
and what have those kids done a whole fuck of a lot more than you have since starting high school.
they've been training. creating the environment that forces their growth. those highschool kids train their asses off long before the get to college. 2 a days plus weight room work.
you go to the gym and train chest for 45 minutes then cry abt your. 'shit genetics for muscle building'
try to find a correlation between your post, how much work is involved and the adaptations necessary to meet the demands placed on the body.
don't debate me boy. I know I'm under your skin and that's why you follow me around the board snipping at my ankles when ever you can. just take your licks and move on and thank God and me for blessing your ignorant self with my knowledge.
apply it instead if concerning yourself w being butthurt by my means words that hurt your feelings at some point long ago.
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From what ive seen natural BB is all structure, muscle shape, and insertion points.... basically the illusion. The actual amount of mass is about the same across the board
correct sir.
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Setting blacks aside, since no one is going to argue that the better specimens of that race have ridiculous muscle building genes, yes, some people do have better genetics for building muscle, which is perhaps what you're referring to as "denser fiber." However, you're so myopically focused on the bodybuilding/drug culture, which is what you're experience is in, that you can't even comprehend this.
Look at any college football program. Some of the kids will be much "denser," stronger, etc., than others (at the same height). Those kids have better genetics to build muscle than other kids in the program. That's why some are linebackers and some are wide receivers. The kid who is 6'2" 235 and fairly lean is going to hold onto a lot more muscle if he dieted down than the kid who is 6'2" 185, even if the 185 kid is already lean.
Thats not true. Take the Dinka Tribe in Africa for instance. They are pure African, the purest Africans you can get. No mix race at all. They actually have the worst genetics for it.
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You don't look like someone who lifts, in your best shape I'd say you look like someone who does some sort of sport on the weekend, like rowing or tennis.
I'm struggling to contain myself and not say you look like shit. But you probably know this anyway.
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The Dinka Tribe, Pure Africans, are not going to be building any kind of muscle. Manute Bol was a Dinka. I think he maxed out at a 30 lb bench press and could not gain any weight no matter what.
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LEGS?LOOKING GOOD T.A...
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You look great. One of the best I have ever seen drug free, and I have been in the gym 50 years. You also deserve tons of respect for doing it the right way.
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You don't look like someone who lifts, in your best shape I'd say you look like someone who does some sort of sport on the weekend, like rowing or tennis.
I'm struggling to contain myself and not say you look like shit. But you probably know this anyway.
You are nothing but a drug addicted schwartza who would be less than useless as a farm tool.
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the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
no beef with ya bro, but if there is one thing you can't call adam, it's "lazy". known the dude a while, whatever he decides he's gonna do program-wise he'll do full on.
and if you're saying genetics don't matter then, uh... no offense but that's dumb as shit. if you honestly, in your core, believe that if you take 100 people and put them on the same diet and training program that they will all respond the exact same way, then you might want to have a chat with "any geneticist on the planet" because they're gonna have a couple tiny qualms with that particular hypothesis.
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When are the gains going to come?
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you sound like anabolichalo.
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the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
Jesus Christ I feel like shaking you everytime you post such stupid things, if a mesomorph and a ectomorph starting training at the same time the mesomorph will build more muscle and strength faster, I have seen so many workout partners in the gym over the years and the meso gets so strong that he has to be stripping the weights down for his buddy, are you a basement dweller or do you really go to the gym.
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East Africans in general have scrawny, weak builds. Good for long distance events but not blessed for power and size. It's the West Africans like Nigerians and Ivorian's who are blessed with great BB genetics.
I see dozens of both in my gym daily and there is a clear difference between them.
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No One does have a point when it comes to maxed out Lifetime Naturals. They pretty much do have the same amount of muscle relatively speaking.
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Adonis is a bodybuilder I will give him that but he is one of the most unhealthy bodybuilders I know, his diet is only for muscle not for health which is why he is perfect for steroids, that should be his next step.
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Same Body Weight.
This pic was taken July 4th, 2006.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
This one was taken April 1, 2014.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528255.0;attach=559922;image)
Look good......harder in the second pic.
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I'm not following you at all. You just happen to be spouting the most idiotic shit on the board right now. TBH, at first, I thought you were trolling but now I see you actually believe this.
So now that you've invented the ultimate training system, which takes everyone beyond what they thought was their prior genetic limitations, what's next? I guess you'll be rich and famous.
lol what's wrong sparky? I can almost hear the tears falling onto your size small tshirt as they stream down your cheeks.
I'm legitimately curious about something - why is it that 'guys' like you (skinny, 14" arms etc) always have the most to say and are the first to criticise?
is it a defense mechanism from being a pansy your whole life?
instead of sitting there like a good pencil, and thinking hmm this makes sense, you rigidly attack anything that you don't agree with, without having even tried it.
if anything that makes you the idiot.
so feel free continuing to be a sub par pencil who dreams up horrible conditions such as 'bad muscle building genetics' - lol fuck that makes me laugh- as an excuse to look less than impressive.
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This is one of the best Lifetime Naturals in my opinion.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150520;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150520;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150522;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150523;image)
See that short Asian guy in that last pic. That is Pro-Natural bodybuilder Whateva! I came second to him in Mr. Getbig!
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lol what's wrong sparky? I can almost hear the tears falling onto your size small tshirt as they stream down your cheeks.
I'm legitimately curious about something - why is it that 'guys' like you (skinny, 14" arms etc) always have the most to say and are the first to criticise?
is it a defense mechanism from being a pansy your whole life?
instead of sitting there like a good pencil, and thinking hmm this makes sense, you rigidly attack anything that you don't agree with, without having even tried it.
if anything that makes you the idiot.
so feel free continuing to be a sub par pencil who dreams up horrible conditions such as 'bad muscle building genetics' - lol fuck that makes me laugh- as an excuse to look less than impressive.
This probably explains his behaviour
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150520;image)
Jokes aside, I have my doubts he's natural, this isn't a size issue, but more on the appearance of the muscle. There's a certain hardness and tightness gear gives which separates naturals from those loaded with androgenic compounds.
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Here is Brian again.
(http://www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/RL%201%20week%202012%20v%202010v1.jpg)
(http://www.brianwhitacre.net/Pictures/Thumbnails/Me%20&%20Sid%20dieting-2012.jpg)
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You are nothing but a drug addicted schwartza who would be less than useless as a farm tool.
I think the Yiddish phrase you were looking for was "shvoogie" (lit pronunciation)
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Jokes aside, I have my doubts he's natural, this isn't a size issue, but more on the appearance of the muscle. There's a certain hardness and tightness gear gives which separates naturals from those loaded with androgenic compounds.
Nah. Lifetime Naturals usually surpass the enhanced when it comes to leanness if they are willing to take it to that low of body fat. Every Lifetime Natural that competes and is worth anything looks like that with that level of leanness.
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You look great. One of the best I have ever seen drug free, and I have been in the gym 50 years. You also deserve tons of respect for doing it the right way.
After looking at adonis pictures if that is the best natural you have seen in 50 years in the gym, then you are A. full of shit B. you have the vision of ray charles and stevie wonder combined C. you are trying to kiss adonis ass for some weird gay reason, now pick your choice and let us know.
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no beef with ya bro, but if there is one thing you can't call adam, it's "lazy". known the dude a while, whatever he decides he's gonna do program-wise he'll do full on.
and if you're saying genetics don't matter then, uh... no offense but that's dumb as shit. if you honestly, in your core, believe that if you take 100 people and put them on the same diet and training program that they will all respond the exact same way, then you might want to have a chat with "any geneticist on the planet" because they're gonna have a couple tiny qualms with that particular hypothesis.
that post was not aimed at Adam it was aimed at colon4life so the lazy part is 100% accurate.
Adonis isn't someone I'd call lazy by any means. truthfully I think a lot of pro nattys work much harder and diet much harder than the top ifbb pros.
that being said let me reiterate
take any number of white/ true naturals who are the same height and same bf levels who have been training the same length of time when they have all maxed out they are going to hold the same lean tissue relatively. scale weight may differ due to bone density etc but actually lean tissue will be the same across the board.
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I think it reaches a point where it just becomes about maintenance and conditioning.
For me, this situation is fine as it requires less training and even lighter weights if needed which is useful if I'm travelling or really busy and have to cut down on training for awhile.
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no beef with ya bro, but if there is one thing you can't call adam, it's "lazy". known the dude a while, whatever he decides he's gonna do program-wise he'll do full on.
and if you're saying genetics don't matter then, uh... no offense but that's dumb as shit. if you honestly, in your core, believe that if you take 100 people and put them on the same diet and training program that they will all respond the exact same way, then you might want to have a chat with "any geneticist on the planet" because they're gonna have a couple tiny qualms with that particular hypothesis.
Trying to get my strength on your level one day my friend.
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One thing I have never done is truly Auschwitz it out. I think its something I need to do.
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Jokes aside, I have my doubts he's natural, this isn't a size issue, but more on the appearance of the muscle. There's a certain hardness and tightness gear gives which separates naturals from those loaded with androgenic compounds.
I can believe he is natural.
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Here is another of Brian Whitacre who is a Natural Pro
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150532;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150533;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150534;image)
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You don't look like someone who lifts, in your best shape I'd say you look like someone who does some sort of sport on the weekend, like rowing or tennis.
I'm struggling to contain myself and not say you look like shit. But you probably know this anyway.
Come on, skorpio, it looks like he clearly lifts weights. If I saw TA with a tanktop, it would be obvious he lifted. I assume you're just busting his chops :)
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TA, how old are you?
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I think it reaches a point where it just becomes about maintenance and conditioning.
For me, this situation is fine as it requires less training and even lighter weights if needed which is useful if I'm travelling or really busy and have to cut down on training for awhile.
The harsh reality is that once you hit 35 it's all downhill and it becomes a matter of lessening the angle of the decline.
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Adonis looks great. Solid natural athlete and a true Getbigger.
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This is what a lifetime natural looks like Auschwitzed out
(http://fof.fitoverfat.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/alberto4.jpg)
(http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/resources/alberto_shredded400.jpg?timestamp=1257301777446)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/47449d1315001065-alberto-nunez-262240_10150270086919002_513634001_8703679_7611796_n.jpg)
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I remember this guy had the dexa scan and you could see the look of disappointment when they told him he had 6 percent bodyfat.
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Here is another of Brian Whitacre who is a Natural Pro
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150532;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150533;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150534;image)
RONNIE COLEMAN HAS REALLY DOWNSIZED..
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This is what a lifetime natural looks like Auschwitzed out
(http://fof.fitoverfat.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/alberto4.jpg)
(http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/resources/alberto_shredded400.jpg?timestamp=1257301777446)
(http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/attachments/professional-muscle-forum/47449d1315001065-alberto-nunez-262240_10150270086919002_513634001_8703679_7611796_n.jpg)
How do you know this guy is natural, is it because he says so, you must be one of those people who believes anything somebody tells you.
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Here is a Lifetime Natural in his 40s.
At 3:30 he has some great conditioning and he is not done yet.
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This is what a lifetime natural looks like Auschwitzed out
(http://fof.fitoverfat.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/alberto4.jpg)
(http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/resources/alberto_shredded400.jpg?timestamp=1257301777446)
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Guy is one of those fortunate few with a crazy fast metabolism.
Sadly, even with all that effort if you put clothes on him and compare him to the average untrained man... you could hardly tell the difference. He'd actually look smaller than the untrained man.
Guy has no size.
Don't see the point.
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Here is a Lifetime Natural in his 40s.
At 3:30 he has some great conditioning and he is not done yet.
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This is 28 years of Lifetime Natural training by the way.
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The harsh reality is that once you hit 35 it's all downhill and it becomes a matter of lessening the angle of the decline.
I disagree , I look better now at 49 than I did it 40, and next year I will look better than i do now,
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that post was not aimed at Adam it was aimed at colon4life so the lazy part is 100% accurate.
Adonis isn't someone I'd call lazy by any means. truthfully I think a lot of pro nattys work much harder and diet much harder than the top ifbb pros.
that being said let me reiterate
take any number of white/ true naturals who are the same height and same bf levels who have been training the same length of time when they have all maxed out they are going to hold the same lean tissue relatively. scale weight may differ due to bone density etc but actually lean tissue will be the same across the board.
sorry dude, my mistake. totally misread.
i'm not really buying it though. you're setting up a "no true scotsman" defense by basically stating that a maxed out natural looks like X ergo any natural who doesn't have X amount of muscle tissue isn't truly maxed out. you take a guy with naturally low testosterone and a slow thyroid up against a guy who burns fat 24/7 with high test and no matter what you do the 2nd guy is going to be bigger than the first. you might be able to say there is an apex of natural development, but it is 100% incorrect to think that all humans are capable of attaining it.
when i worked as a counselor at a group home there was this 14 year old kid named dylan. he was about 5'6 and 300lb or so. did not lift weights much, played a little football in middle school but that was it. the charter school we took them to had a little gym in it and they were allowed to use the machines. one machine was one of those old-ass smiths that was just a bare olympic bar on some runners and god damn i witnessed this kid, his first time attempting squatting, hit 475lb, with no belt and wearing a ratty ass pair of nikes, on that bar sitting on a bench that was roughly parallel for him. shit, i can't do that NOW. we had this one kid who was in our program for about two years and, despite eating the shitty food we fed him and having almost no access to gym equipment, left that place with shoulders and arms that looked better than a bunch of guys i knew when i wrestled in high school.
genetics aren't just a factor in one's body development, they are THE factor. some people are going to be skinny mother fuckers all their lives. some people are going to fight to keep their body fat under 15%. some guys can (to steal a phrase from Tom Prince) grow their arms just from mowing the lawn. you can max out what you HAVE, but to suggest that we all have the same potential is lunacy.
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What's the obsession on getbig about looking like you train while wearing clothes? ??? ???
You remember the video of Robert Burneika in the pool? No one really gave a shit. Do you think people are going to really care if you look like you train while wearing clothes? ??? ???
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Guy is one of those fortunate few with a crazy fast metabolism.
Sadly, even with all that effort if you put clothes on him and compare him to the average untrained man... you could hardly tell the difference.
Guy has no size.
I can relate to him because he did what I did. Perma Bulk. His metabolism is decent but nothing out of the ordinary. I mean he does diet on 3500 calories I think, but thats doable once you Auschwitz it out.
Here are pics of him when he did not know any better. He ALWAYS stays lean now.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/transm89a.jpg)
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Guy is one of those fortunate few with a crazy fast metabolism.
Sadly, even with all that effort if you put clothes on him and compare him to the average untrained man... you could hardly tell the difference. He'd actually look smaller than the untrained man.
Guy has no size.
Don't see the point.
The point is he isn't competing against guys in clothes so it doesn't matter what he looks like in them.
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How do you know this guy is natural, is it because he says so, you must be one of those people who believes anything somebody tells you.
Yeah, who would be willing to believe anything that anybody tells you without proof. That would be idiotic.
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Guy is one of those fortunate few with a crazy fast metabolism.
Sadly, even with all that effort if you put clothes on him and compare him to the average untrained man... you could hardly tell the difference. He'd actually look smaller than the untrained man.
Guy has no size.
Don't see the point.
put that dude at 12% bodyfat or so without his fluids depleted and he'd look like a goliath.
then again, frank zane didn't look like shit in clothes either and doesn't everyone here fall all over themselves calling him one of the best?
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I would say no progress
there is such a thing as genetic limit. your hormone levels will only allow you to go so far...
No offence but I agree.
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Here is Alberto at about the body fat I am in this picture, maybe he is a little higher here actually. I know he doesn`t get near this fat anymore though, but thats what he looks like at a higher Fat percentage. I think its comparable.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528255.0;attach=559922;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/transm89f.jpg)
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Here is Alberto at about the body fat I am in this picture, maybe he is a little higher here actually. I know he doesn`t get near this fat anymore though, but thats what he looks like at a higher Fat percentage.
Damn you guys look a lot alike. ;D
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Here is Alberto at about the body fat I am in this picture, maybe he is a little higher here actually. I know he doesn`t get near this fat anymore though, but thats what he looks like at a higher Fat percentage. I think its comparable.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528255.0;attach=559922;image)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/transm89f.jpg)
Why is he blowing you a kiss?
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Why is he blowing you a kiss?
Because The Ivory Latino wants me to share a cell with him in Auschwitz.
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One thing I know about people who are very competitive they will do anything to win, if somebody gets fame or money from claiming to be natural they will take a light cycle behind closed doors to look as good as possible.
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One thing I know about people who are very competitive they will do anything to win, if somebody gets fame or money from claiming to be natural they will take a light cycle behind closed doors to look as good as possible.
You don't know anything that you haven't just Googled.
Dismissed.
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Ok everyone. I think I am going to go to Auschwitz and use No One Machine training method.
I have three methods to Auschwitz. The Slow way, the Fast way or maybe one of your ways. It all boils down to deficit in the end no matter what way.
1. 2400 calories no changes, ride it out as long as it takes. Somewhere in the ball park of 16 weeks to 21 weeks. (could be less, but that is a safe estimate)
2. 2400 calories, decrease by 200 every 3 weeks, stopping at 1600 at lowest and may not even need to go near that low. Should take 10-12 weeks or so.
3. Disgusted, No One, Simple Simon, Layne Norton, 3dmj, or whoever`s scheme. (Of course Adonis Principles can be applied to all of these, including outside suggestions)
Either way, all roads lead to Auschwitz. I think its long overdue. Live like my kinfolk circa 1944.
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Ok everyone. I think I am going to go to Auschwitz and use No One Machine training method.
I have three methods to Auschwitz. The Slow way, the Fast way or maybe one of your ways. It all boils down to deficit in the end no matter what way.
1. 2400 calories no changes, ride it out as long as it takes. Somewhere in the ball park of 16 weeks to 21 weeks. (could be less, but that is a safe estimate)
2. 2400 calories, decrease by 200 every 3 weeks, stopping at 1600 at lowest and may not even need to go near that low. Should take 10-12 weeks or so.
3. Disgusted, No One, Simple Simon, Layne Norton, 3dmj, or whoever`s scheme. (Of course Adonis Principles can be applied to all of these, including outside suggestions)
Either way, all roads lead to Auschwitz. I think its long overdue. Live like my kinfolk circa 1944.
Will you be shaving your head?
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I disagree , I look better now at 49 than I did it 40, and next year I will look better than i do now,
You are not natural though. 90 year olds can look good with enough test.
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Will you cardio during your cutting? And are you still swimming?
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Will you cardio during your cutting? And are you still swimming?
No and No.
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Will you be shaving your head?
I don`t think it would make me look any less like a drowned rat to be honest. I like my signature John Randolph of Roanoke.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/StuartGilbertJohnRandolph.jpg)
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Literally the dumbest thing that I've ever read on this forum. This guy must be trolling.
really.
see I have proven my stance. look at all the top natty bbers. or any natty beers. same height/ same bf level / same amount of tissue.
it's not rocket science numpty. it's simple fact.
then again you could always post up a pic of your massive physique, show me how your the exception to what seems to be the rule.
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You don't know anything that you haven't just Googled.
Dismissed.
I dont need google to tell me that you are a anally retentive public louse.
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I dont need google to tell me that you are a anally retentive public louse.
LOLOL That was amusing.
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Around here we call "public louses" by a different name that getbig refuses to recognize. :D
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sorry dude, my mistake. totally misread.
i'm not really buying it though. you're setting up a "no true scotsman" defense by basically stating that a maxed out natural looks like X ergo any natural who doesn't have X amount of muscle tissue isn't truly maxed out. you take a guy with naturally low testosterone and a slow thyroid up against a guy who burns fat 24/7 with high test and no matter what you do the 2nd guy is going to be bigger than the first. you might be able to say there is an apex of natural development, but it is 100% incorrect to think that all humans are capable of attaining it.
when i worked as a counselor at a group home there was this 14 year old kid named dylan. he was about 5'6 and 300lb or so. did not lift weights much, played a little football in middle school but that was it. the charter school we took them to had a little gym in it and they were allowed to use the machines. one machine was one of those old-ass smiths that was just a bare olympic bar on some runners and god damn i witnessed this kid, his first time attempting squatting, hit 475lb, with no belt and wearing a ratty ass pair of nikes, on that bar sitting on a bench that was roughly parallel for him. shit, i can't do that NOW. we had this one kid who was in our program for about two years and, despite eating the shitty food we fed him and having almost no access to gym equipment, left that place with shoulders and arms that looked better than a bunch of guys i knew when i wrestled in high school.
genetics aren't just a factor in one's body development, they are THE factor. some people are going to be skinny mother fuckers all their lives. some people are going to fight to keep their body fat under 15%. some guys can (to steal a phrase from Tom Prince) grow their arms just from mowing the lawn. you can max out what you HAVE, but to suggest that we all have the same potential is lunacy.
ah we disagree then. this debate is not really 'provable' but it makes one wonder.
how much of that 300lbs was fat. a lot of it. I can go and grab a random obese guy off the street and he'll easily be stronger than a lot of trained lifters. there's one at my gym. just joined. never trained in his life. he reps out 285 for good reps on the flat.
does he have more lean tissue than a guy of his height who's 5-6% bf? no. he's fatter. there's a huge correlation between strength and sheer size.
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Lol! You think posting pics of a few of the top so-called "natural" bodybuilders, the ones who actually get their photos in magazines and websites proves anything? It doesn't. Have you ever heard the term "sample size"? What about the 1000s of others who look like well done concentration camp victims w/ baggy size S posing trunks?
You mean the ones that are not maxed out yet?
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Ok everyone. I think I am going to go to Auschwitz and use No One Machine training method.
I have three methods to Auschwitz. The Slow way, the Fast way or maybe one of your ways. It all boils down to deficit in the end no matter what way.
1. 2400 calories no changes, ride it out as long as it takes. Somewhere in the ball park of 16 weeks to 21 weeks. (could be less, but that is a safe estimate)
2. 2400 calories, decrease by 200 every 3 weeks, stopping at 1600 at lowest and may not even need to go near that low. Should take 10-12 weeks or so.
3. Disgusted, No One, Simple Simon, Layne Norton, 3dmj, or whoever`s scheme. (Of course Adonis Principles can be applied to all of these, including outside suggestions)
Either way, all roads lead to Auschwitz. I think its long overdue. Live like my kinfolk circa 1944.
My advice is to do what you are most comfortable with. I'm sure you can get down to low levels on your own. If you encounter any problems near the end of your journey then you can come for advice. Shredded is not easy, ripped is easier but requires some diligence.
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My advice is to do what you are most comfortable with. I'm sure you can get down to low levels on your own. If you encounter any problems near the end of your journey then you can come for advice. Shredded is not easy, ripped is easier but requires some diligence.
Yah, thats what I am thinking. Take it as far as I can and then if I get stuck, address the problem, poll the audience and experts and then make the correction needed. I was walking my dog the other day and was thinking to myself about that Ground Beef diet you once posted about and thought it would be a good thing to do if someone was stuck or if someone wanted to get ultra low bodyfat without any guess work or troubleshooting or nitpicking. No idea why I thought of it while walking the dog, but I did.
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You mean the ones that are not maxed out yet?
Precisely.
lol nothing like throwing yourself under a bus.
fuck your dumb, eh bozo4life?
if your read my posts more closely you could save yourself looking like an utter retard in the future.
which doesn't matter cause you've pretty much been full retard on here for a while now.
carry on.
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I disagree , I look better now at 49 than I did it 40, and next year I will look better than i do now,
This is the average age of NFL players. Is there no one in their 30s & 40s who wants to make millions playing pro football, or is it that their bodies will no longer allow them to play at an elite level?
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The OP looks great...
I didn't read through all the posts so I don't know if you posted your age. Unfortunately it may take a little test for you to gain any good weight at this point...
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Come on, skorpio, it looks like he clearly lifts weights. If I saw TA with a tanktop, it would be obvious he lifted. I assume you're just busting his chops :)
TA looks good....I'm just pulling his wiener for a laugh, I like his well put together yet condescending come backs.
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So, if only TA had met you in 2006 and followed your dieting and training program to the tee this thread would never exist b/c he would have made gains no natural has ever made before? His genetic limitations notwithstanding. Good thing you figured this all out for everyone.
Genetics don't matter, you just need to pound "the tissue" every day, sometimes 2x a day and the sky is the limit. I got it.
actually I helped you 'learn' that there's no such thing as 'bad genetics for building muscle', dildo.
so keep thinking your one of the imaginary few who god frowned upon for whatever reason when the reality is your just a pansy from birth.
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lol nothing like throwing yourself under a bus.
fuck your dumb, eh bozo4life?
if your read my posts more closely you could save yourself looking like an utter retard in the future.
which doesn't matter cause you've pretty much been full retard on here for a while now.
carry on.
dumbo4life.
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dumbo4life.
X2
He posts on a few of the other sub-forums here spewing the same nonsense.
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CHOLO 4 LIFE is standing his ground,he's not as bad as he's being made out to be here.
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CHOLO 4 LIFE is standing his ground,he's not as bad as he's being made out to be here.
He made a bit of a twat of himself earlier, he argued a point and then agreed with it like he was making the point.
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He made a bit of a twat of himself earlier, he argued a point and then agreed with it like he was making the point.
not arguing about that or debating it,,but without knowing anything about him physically or his training input knowledge ,its sensless to sit there and insult after insult and name calling..
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Great build on Adonis (No H-mo)...
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ah we disagree then. this debate is not really 'provable' but it makes one wonder.
how much of that 300lbs was fat. a lot of it. I can go and grab a random obese guy off the street and he'll easily be stronger than a lot of trained lifters. there's one at my gym. just joined. never trained in his life. he reps out 285 for good reps on the flat.
does he have more lean tissue than a guy of his height who's 5-6% bf? no. he's fatter. there's a huge correlation between strength and sheer size.
he was a 14 year old with 300lb on him no shit he was fat. and no, there is no correlation between strength and fat tissue. zero. if you take a 450 pound man and liposuction 200 pounds of fat out of him he's not going to get weaker. that is 100%, categorically false what you said.
additionally, you're missing the goddamn point that just because there is a natural limit that doesn't mean it's even remotely within the grasp of 99% of people. my point was that, believe it or not, genetics DO play a role. that's why when you get two untrained individuals and put them in a gym they are not equally strong and do not have equal muscle tissue prior to lifting. it's why you get some guys who go from barely doing a pushup to benching 4 plates within a couple years and some guys never hit that mark.
your anecdote about the guy who just joined the gym proves my point. some guys spend ten years trying to get to the point of benching 3 plates and that guy just did it off the street. why? GENETICS. dude is just DNA encoded for muscle.
the whole "random obese guy" thing is just hogwash as well. it's not even slightly accurate. i can't count the number of obese people i've seen join gyms that struggle and wheeze with small weights. there's a huge lump of a man at an old gym i went to that trained his ass off for a few years and was only barely able to get 135 over his head for a few reps.
i don't know where you got your idea that all human beings are the exact same, but there isn't a lick of scientific evidence to support it.
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Yah, thats what I am thinking. Take it as far as I can and then if I get stuck, address the problem, poll the audience and experts and then make the correction needed. I was walking my dog the other day and was thinking to myself about that Ground Beef diet you once posted about and thought it would be a good thing to do if someone was stuck or if someone wanted to get ultra low bodyfat without any guess work or troubleshooting or nitpicking. No idea why I thought of it while walking the dog, but I did.
You mention jezeble cooking and I remember this song.
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Here is Layne Norton without all the fancy lighting and photoshop.
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(http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k72/str8flexed/Contest%20prep%202010/DSC_0007.jpg)
That is a very old picture of Layne....almost 10 years old
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That is a very old picture of Layne....almost 10 years old
No its not. Its from 2010. He hasn`t progressed really at all since then.
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why do you find it necessary to capitalize lifetime natural?
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Yah, thats what I am thinking. Take it as far as I can and then if I get stuck, address the problem, poll the audience and experts and then make the correction needed. I was walking my dog the other day and was thinking to myself about that Ground Beef diet you once posted about and thought it would be a good thing to do if someone was stuck or if someone wanted to get ultra low bodyfat without any guess work or troubleshooting or nitpicking. No idea why I thought of it while walking the dog, but I did.
Yep I remember the guy who's picture I posted who ate a very high fat low protein animal flesh diet. Not sure if that is the one you are referring too. I actually went back the the forum that he posted on and saw that he hasn't posted in months so maybe he died. :(
Anywho I think you should follow your principles and like you said if you get stuck you can always do something to get the progress going again. This most likely won't happen until you hit around 6% or so. I have used the zero carb diet on guys who get stuck on high carb and it does work well to get things rolling again even if they go back to a higher carb diet. I look forward to seeing you shredded. It would be nice for people to see a weekly or so progress evaluation with diet posted. I may be inspired to get below 25% myself. :)
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why do you find it necessary to capitalize lifetime natural?
Lol I thought I was the only one who thought that this was literally one of the gayest things I've seen on here
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No one, there is nothing to argue with.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Gaussian_curve.svg/709px-Gaussian_curve.svg.png)
Say hello to Gaussian curve. It describes fairly well every variable known by me that characterizes population. Height. Weight. Intelligence. BMI. It is actually pretty amazing.
Why would anyone think that there is a variable that is constant among ENTIRE race is beyond me.
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Lol I thought I was the only one who thought that this was literally one of the gayest things I've seen on here
He always does.
It is gay.
Real gay.
Dick in the butt gay.
Dressing for the season gay.
Catching up on Housewives gay.
Making sure to compliment your dinner with the appropriate wine gay.
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Your shoes cost more than my car.
I'm more impressed by the attentive look on the stuffed ring neck pheasant. Quite the astute gentleman is TA.
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why do you find it necessary to capitalize lifetime natural?
You have two choices on the left is lifetime natural and on the right is cleanest natural pick your poison.
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Any longtime member of Getbig should not give a shit whether someone is natural or not.
Steroids are a major part of bodybuilding.
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You look exactly the same. Maybe a little leaner. What a complete and utter fucking waste of 8 years in the gym, eh???
You're not so smart after all, numb nuts. Thread should be renamed "The Epic Complete And Utter Waste of the Last 8 Years Dieting and Bulking Only To Achieve Sweet Fuck All"
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Did you stuff the pheasant yourself?
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I just take No ones stance as all true naturals eventually Max out at roughly the same amount of lbm. Time to get there may vary and of course appearance but same amount of tissue given similar heights. Strength,athleticism, etc are indeed genetic because of different factors like nervous system recruitment, joint strength, structure,etc. But in the end when dieted down naturals Will carry the same amount of Lbm dieted down and maxed out.
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We can all agree that blacks are superior, exceptions being credit scores, societal achievements, etc
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This thread is very disappointing to me, makes me want to juice. I know I'm already at a stand still with my own progress as far as size goes...
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not arguing about that or debating it,,but without knowing anything about him physically or his training input knowledge ,its sensless to sit there and insult after insult and name calling..
thats whats makes this place fun. fuck if i couldnt do that i prolly wouldnt post here :D
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No one, there is nothing to argue with.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Gaussian_curve.svg/709px-Gaussian_curve.svg.png)
Say hello to Gaussian curve. It describes fairly well every variable known by me that characterizes population. Height. Weight. Intelligence. BMI. It is actually pretty amazing.
Why would anyone think that there is a variable that is constant among ENTIRE race is beyond me.
break this down for me please im curious.
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We can all agree that blacks are superior, exceptions being credit scores, societal achievements, etc
hahahah awesome you need to post more
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thats whats makes this place fun. fuck if i couldnt do that i prolly wouldnt post here :D
i mean i do like your choice of words'pencil'and such....
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i mean i do like your choice of words'pencil'and such....
lol ty sir
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Lance Armstrong claimed natty too a couple of times..... Just sayn ;D
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hahahah awesome you need to post more
Thanks bro
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You look exactly the same. Maybe a little leaner. What a complete and utter fucking waste of 8 years in the gym, eh???
You're not so smart after all, numb nuts. Thread should be renamed "The Epic Complete And Utter Waste of the Last 8 Years Dieting and Bulking Only To Achieve Sweet Fuck All"
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Spoken like a true druggie who would stop working out completely if he weren`t on drugs. Besides, you take a giant cocktail of drugs, have eroded health and look the same too, year to year on drugs because you are too dumb to give them a break.
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So you are never going to try drugs? ::)
You look good, but maybe try (a second) cycle or two before you die for funsies.
Life is short man, get it out of your system and go back to natty.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=32469.0;id=31313)
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So you are never going to try drugs? ::)
You look good, but maybe try (a second) cycle or two before you die for funsies.
Life is short man, get it out of your system and go back to natty.
No and there never was a first. I am not interested.
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I think I am going to have to start siding with Simple Simon more when it comes to judging Lifetime Naturals. Its pretty funny after looking back at old photos of mine and now and then seeing some of these so called "Natural" competitors.
haha mind-blowing, next-level posting right here
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The bad thing about being a lifetime natural is reaching the end of your life realizing that you will never ever experience what it is like to be an enhanced lifter. You had only one chance at life and now it is over for all eternity, an opportunity wasted. I guess what you don't know won't hurt you.
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The bad thing about being a lifetime natural is reaching the end of your life realizing that you will never ever experience what it is like to be an enhanced lifter. You had only one chance at life and now it is over for all eternity, an opportunity wasted. I guess what you don't know won't hurt you.
flip side is theres a pride in doing it clean. the dedication it takes etc. i get that too. casue those guys are utlra dedicated. gotta give them their props.
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The bad thing about being a lifetime natural is reaching the end of your life realizing that you will never ever experience what it is like to be an enhanced lifter. You had only one chance at life and now it is over for all eternity, an opportunity wasted. I guess what you don't know won't hurt you.
Its the things that you dont do in life that you come to regret most.
I knew a guy who smashed his ankle up really bad doing motocross, he had been riding for years without injury, the accident left him with a permenant limp.
He was a bit down in the dumps and depressed so I asked him "Would you have still done the motocross if you knew you were going to end up at this point now with the smashed ankle"?
He replied "Yes of course , I loved every minute of it"
I said "well then you really have nothing to be depressed about"
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The bad thing about being a lifetime natural is reaching the end of your life realizing that you will never ever experience what it is like to be an enhanced lifter. You had only one chance at life and now it is over for all eternity, an opportunity wasted. I guess what you don't know won't hurt you.
1. I prefer the look of Lifetime Naturals. I like the the straighter, razor thin look rather than the bulbous enhanced look.
2. I value my health above all things and do not think steroids are a good idea to use health-wise. At least I will never have any health related problems attributed to steroids.
3. I enjoy lifting weights, manipulating calories and love the benefits of exercise. I am not wasting any time doing something I enjoy and that is good for me.
4. I am content with my progress and how I look and what it has taken to get here and maintain. If I never gained another ounce of muscle I would be just as happy. I am not insecure nor envious of anyone or desire to be any different than what I am now.
5. I would hate to waste the time researching all the drugs and what not and its way too overwhelming and the risks are not worth the results in my opinion, especially when I have no interest in looking any different size wise.
Perhaps that helps.
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1. I prefer the look of Lifetime Naturals. I like the the straighter, razor thin look rather than the bulbous enhanced look.
2. I value my health above all things and do not think steroids are a good idea to use health-wise. At least I will never have any health related problems attributed to steroids.3. I enjoy lifting weights, manipulating calories and love the benefits of exercise. I am not wasting any time doing something I enjoy and that is good for me.
4. I am content with my progress and how I look and what it has taken to get here and maintain. If I never gained another ounce of muscle I would be just as happy. I am not insecure nor envious of anyone or desire to be any different than what I am now.
5. I would hate to waste the time researching all the drugs and what not and its way too overwhelming and the risks are not worth the results in my opinion, especially when I have no interest in looking any different size wise.
Perhaps that helps.
Ironically in later life you may get an illness that requires you to use anabolic steroids.
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I think TA has a great physique. It doesn't look like it has changed too much but that has got to be good as far as buying clothes and such. I don't think there is too much wrong with a little GH at 65, no?!
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Ironically in later life you may get an illness that requires you to use anabolic steroids.
I could see it beneficial in that way. But using them at the expense of health just for muscle just does not seem to be worth it to me.
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I could see it beneficial in that way. But using them at the expense of health just for muscle just does not seem to be worth it to me.
Used wisely there is no health risk.
You could say the same about Asprin use.
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We can all agree that blacks are superior, exceptions being credit scores, societal achievements, etc
lol
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Used wisely there is no health risk.
You could say the same about Asprin use.
If I am content with how I look and don`t care if I ever gain another ounce, why would I even bother with them?
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looked better in 2006, must have been indulging in some natural prohormones at the time
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No one, there is nothing to argue with.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/Gaussian_curve.svg/709px-Gaussian_curve.svg.png)
Say hello to Gaussian curve. It describes fairly well every variable known by me that characterizes population. Height. Weight. Intelligence. BMI. It is actually pretty amazing.
Why would anyone think that there is a variable that is constant among ENTIRE race is beyond me.
You seem to know a lot about the Gaussian curve. Then you know that the real question is how big the standard deviation is.
Imo not so big. Haven't seen a lot of "natural freaks" and variation. That isn't to say it doesn't exist, but it is highly uncommon and the differences must be small.
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looked better in 2006, must have been indulging in some natural prohormones at the time
???
I am leaner at the same bodyweight now in the second picture.
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1. I prefer the look of Lifetime Naturals. I like the the straighter, razor thin look rather than the bulbous enhanced look.
2. I value my health above all things and do not think steroids are a good idea to use health-wise. At least I will never have any health related problems attributed to steroids.
3. I enjoy lifting weights, manipulating calories and love the benefits of exercise. I am not wasting any time doing something I enjoy and that is good for me.
4. I am content with my progress and how I look and what it has taken to get here and maintain. If I never gained another ounce of muscle I would be just as happy. I am not insecure nor envious of anyone or desire to be any different than what I am now.
5. I would hate to waste the time researching all the drugs and what not and its way too overwhelming and the risks are not worth the results in my opinion, especially when I have no interest in looking any different size wise.
Perhaps that helps.
Good statement TA..Respect.
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Used wisely there is no health risk.
You could say the same about Asprin use.
An enlarged heart from multiple years of use doesn't seem worth it to me.
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An enlarged heart from multiple years of use doesn't seem worth it to me.
Use and abuse are two totally different animals my friend.
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Here is another of Brian Whitacre who is a Natural Pro
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150532;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150533;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=134793.0;attach=150534;image)
Honestly. I think this guy is on drugs. He has the slightly 'pooching' nipples (gyno) which to me is a give away. Plus, he has the head and face of a smaller guy, doesn't match his body.
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1. I prefer the look of Lifetime Naturals. I like the the straighter, razor thin look rather than the bulbous enhanced look.
2. I value my health above all things and do not think steroids are a good idea to use health-wise. At least I will never have any health related problems attributed to steroids.
3. I enjoy lifting weights, manipulating calories and love the benefits of exercise. I am not wasting any time doing something I enjoy and that is good for me.
4. I am content with my progress and how I look and what it has taken to get here and maintain. If I never gained another ounce of muscle I would be just as happy. I am not insecure nor envious of anyone or desire to be any different than what I am now.
5. I would hate to waste the time researching all the drugs and what not and its way too overwhelming and the risks are not worth the results in my opinion, especially when I have no interest in looking any different size wise.
Perhaps that helps.
Mate-
You value your health? I get it-but whats to say you don't contract cancer or die of heart failure or whatever else runs in your family?
Fuck, you can have prostate cancer right now and not even know it-
What you should really be thinking about is all the time you have wasted in the gym, preparing food, reading countless articles etc...
Think if you would have taken that same dedication and poured it into your education, or better yet, a business...
That is the true waste of time here...
No knock on you, but you could have spent 3 hours a week running, doing push ups and pull ups and would have looked the same, but had a much bigger bank account, which is by far a much greater measure of a mans legacy and his ability to pull some grade A ass...
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Mate-
You value your health? I get it-but whats to say you don't contract cancer or die of heart failure or whatever else runs in your family?
Fuck, you can have prostate cancer right now and not even know it-
What you should really be thinking about is all the time you have wasted in the gym, preparing food, reading countless articles etc...
Think if you would have taken that same dedication and poured it into your education, or better yet, a business...
That is the true waste of time here...
No knock on you, but you could have spent 3 hours a week running, doing push ups and pull ups and would have looked the same, but had a much bigger bank account, which is by far a much greater measure of a mans legacy and his ability to pull some grade A ass...
I'M TAKEN YOU DON'T KNOW THIS FELLA'S BACKROUND...HE CAN AFFORD TO BE THIS ANAL...
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I'M TAKEN YOU DON'T KNOW THIS FELLA'S BACKROUND...HE CAN AFFORD TO BE THIS ANAL...
Exactly. ;D
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The bad thing about being a lifetime natural is reaching the end of your life realizing that you will never ever experience what it is like to be an enhanced lifter. You had only one chance at life and now it is over for all eternity, an opportunity wasted. I guess what you don't know won't hurt you.
lol. Yes, because on my deathbed, that is the first thing I am going to be thinking about, "Why didn't I take steroids." I wont be thinking about my family, my friends, my career, all the people I have known in my life. Nope, none of that. The only thing I will regret on my deathbed is not taking steroids.
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1. I prefer the look of Lifetime Naturals. I like the the straighter, razor thin look rather than the bulbous enhanced look.
2. I value my health above all things and do not think steroids are a good idea to use health-wise. At least I will never have any health related problems attributed to steroids.
3. I enjoy lifting weights, manipulating calories and love the benefits of exercise. I am not wasting any time doing something I enjoy and that is good for me.
4. I am content with my progress and how I look and what it has taken to get here and maintain. If I never gained another ounce of muscle I would be just as happy. I am not insecure nor envious of anyone or desire to be any different than what I am now.
5. I would hate to waste the time researching all the drugs and what not and its way too overwhelming and the risks are not worth the results in my opinion, especially when I have no interest in looking any different size wise.
Perhaps that helps.
You look great, brother.
You have built a physique that many of the enhanced here have yet to achieve.
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lol. Yes, because on my deathbed, that is the first thing I am going to be thinking about, "Why didn't I take steroids." I wont be thinking about my family, my friends, my career, all the people I have known in my life. Nope, none of that. The only thing I will regret on my deathbed is not taking steroids.
ROFLMAO!!!!
That fact that not taking steroids is somehow elevated to one of life`s biggest regrets is beyond comprehension. I bet Mike Mattarazzo regrets taking steroids. He said so himself before he died that is.
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lol. Yes, because on my deathbed, that is the first thing I am going to be thinking about, "Why didn't I take steroids." I wont be thinking about my family, my friends, my career, all the people I have known in my life. Nope, none of that. The only thing I will regret on my deathbed is not taking steroids.
i often wonder about the sanity of anyone who considers their arms to be amongst their primary concerns in life. i knew a kid in college, he was 19 at the time, steroids practically oozing out his ears. he told me he didn't care if he dropped dead at 30 he just wanted an IFBB pro card. pretty sure he changed his tune a few years later.
if your self worth is determined by how you look without a shirt on, that tells me you don't have much else of value about you as a person. adam's had it figured out for a while now: the gym and diet are there to enhance your life, not be the focus of it.
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ROFLMAO!!!!
That fact that not taking steroids is somehow elevated to one of life`s biggest regrets is beyond comprehension. I bet Mike Mattarazzo regrets taking steroids. He said so himself before he died that is.
Like you, I have no desire to take steroids. I love to train. Of course Im always trying to improve my physique, but I just do not want to take anything.
It seems like steroid users get very mad or defensive when a natural says he does not want to take anything. I am not too sure why this is. :-\
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i often wonder about the sanity of anyone who considers their arms to be amongst their primary concerns in life. i knew a kid in college, he was 19 at the time, steroids practically oozing out his ears. he told me he didn't care if he dropped dead at 30 he just wanted an IFBB pro card. pretty sure he changed his tune a few years later.
if your self worth is determined by how you look without a shirt on, that tells me you don't have much else of value about you as a person. adam's had it figured out for a while now: the gym and diet are there to enhance your life, not be the focus of it.
Exactly. It's their to enhance your life. My primary goal is to be healthy and productive at an old age. Of course there is no guarantees that even with a healthy lifestyle this will happen. However, it does increase the likelihood that it will occur. That's good enough for me to go on.
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the fuck are you talking about 'good genetics for muscle building'?
everyone has the ability to build muscle. it's an adaptative response to stress.
you think some people have better 'muscle building genetics'? is that the excuse you tell yourself for looking like a dork?
whites will pretty much all look the same at the same bf level and heights and weights if they have workout out an equal amount of time. where the 'genetics' comes in is the actual density a natty can carry. some carry denser fiber than others. and the way it sits on his skeleton. his structure. those are genetic you fucking dork. the 'building big musclezzzz part' is pretty much equal across the board for nattys.
I'm tired of hearing every twirp like you cry abt your genetics. your lazy and you don't train enough. secondly your 'genetics for building muscle' are on par w every other white guy of your height out there. guess what speedbag. every white natty who's 5'6 is prolly going to have the same amount of lean tissue. same as 5'7 5'8 5'9 and so on.
the only time genetics plays a part in how much muscle you'll accumulate is when anabolics is involved and the response to those compounds.
Explain how people I know who never touched a weight had muscle mass in their shoulders, biceps, calves, and a six pack and looked better than those who were hitting the gym? I can't explain it other than genetics.
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You seem to know a lot about the Gaussian curve. Then you know that the real question is how big the standard deviation is.
Imo not so big. Haven't seen a lot of "natural freaks" and variation. That isn't to say it doesn't exist, but it is highly uncommon and the differences must be small.
Honestly, I don't know that much, but this is elementary stuff. I don't like term "small". What is small? In order to tell something about SD you would need to take at least 100 naturals that satisfy no one's condition. I don't have enough experience to cast any predictions. In fact, vast majority of people I know that are worth shit when it comes to physique are far from natural.
break this down for me please im curious.
It is really simple. When you take basically any variable the amount of people that are worse than average by some value is more or less equal than the amount of people that are better by the same value than average. This is so called normal distribution. For example, the amount of people that are 165cm tall is equal to the number of people that are 205cm tall, if the average if 185cm.
(http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/height-distribution.jpg)
Normal distribution depends on two variables: average and standard deviation (SD). Average is pretty obvious. Lower standard deviation tells you that many objects (in this case: bodybuilders) are close to the average.
If you just calculate lean bodymass of population then it is obvious that SD will be high. Constraints you have made on popopulation:
- only those who train seriously
- >5 years lifting
- white
- male
- same height
Will most likely lower the SD, as you intuitevely know, BUT, there will be still guys that are outside of that.
In short, for every shitzo there must be a groink. That's the beauty of math, it fucking works.
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Like you, I have no desire to take steroids. I love to train. Of course Im always trying to improve my physique, but I just do not want to take anything.
It seems like steroid users get very mad or defensive when a natural says he does not want to take anything. I am not too sure why this is. :-\
I think a great deal of those aspersions result from those who are heavily reliant on steroids to even make it to the gym. Chances they never gave Natural training a try long enough, perhaps gave it a try and gave up and wanted a quicker path to their objective, never really trained hard enough to get any results and turned to steroids, or a myriad of other reason. They lack what I call bodybuilding empathy in that they only see it from one side, their own side, and think that their goals and objectives are the only ones that everyone should apply or aspire to and cannot imagine any deviation or difference. In reality, their ire is just a bright projection of their own insecurity and flaws which apex in a state of permanent contempt. They would never understand loving the pursuit for the sake of the pursuit. For them, the pursuit is an annoyance.
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To be honest, I do think no one has a point.
Take 100 guys of the same race, age and height and put them on the same training program and diet. After 2 years, I think all will have a relatively similar level of appearance and muscle mass. Some will obviously carry more lean muscle then others but I don't think it would be all that drastic across the board. It will just be swings of a few lbs either way.
Their strength differences will vary far more then their size will.
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I think a great deal of those aspersions result from those who are heavily reliant on steroids to even make it to the gym. Chances they never gave Natural training a try long enough, perhaps gave it a try and gave up and wanted a quicker path to their objective, never really trained hard enough to get any results and turned to steroids, or a myriad of other reason. They lack what I call bodybuilding empathy in that they only see it from one side, their own side, and think that their goals and objectives are the only ones that everyone should apply or aspire to and cannot imagine any deviation or difference. In reality, their ire is just a bright projection of their own insecurity and flaws which apex in a state of permanent contempt. They would never understand loving the pursuit for the sake of the pursuit. For them, the pursuit is an annoyance.
To use the analogy of taking steroids early rather than waiting years training naturally you could argue why do you drive a car anywhere, just walk, after all its the journey not the destination.
I have no problems with people being natty or using,. in fact after this last few threads on here I couldnt give a fuck if someone lies about it.
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you look more ripped ta
good work
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you look more ripped ta
good work
Yep, lost a pound a year.
Gal would be proud of him.
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To use the analogy of taking steroids early rather than waiting years training naturally you could argue why do you drive a car anywhere, just walk, after all its the journey not the destination.
I have no problems with people being natty or using,. in fact after this last few threads on here I couldnt give a fuck if someone lies about it.
As I said earlier, "They would never understand loving the pursuit for the sake of the pursuit. For them, the pursuit is an annoyance." For me, its the opposite and therefore your analogy dissipates. I actually love all aspects, including the training. You see it differently. You have made many remarks that you hate training and wouldn`t bother with it if you weren`t on steroids or something to that effect. I actually like the training part the most.
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Explain how people I know who never touched a weight had muscle mass in their shoulders, biceps, calves, and a six pack and looked better than those who were hitting the gym? I can't explain it other than genetics.
what 'people'?
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Any pics of what you looked like prior tp lifting?
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To be honest, I do think no one has a point.
Take 100 guys of the same race, age and height and put them on the same training program and diet. After 2 years, I think all will have a relatively similar level of appearance and muscle mass. Some will obviously carry more lean muscle then others but I don't think it would be all that drastic across the board. It will just be swings of a few lbs either way.
Their strength differences will vary far more then their size will.
race might be a wild card here but ya man where are all these anomalies that are walking about that disprove my theory everyone is saying exists.
everyone is talking like theres exceptions to the rule every where - SHOW ME.
you guys think i talk to hear my own voice? prove to me your stance. i proved mine- look at a natty show line up. they are all carbon copies for the most part. same height, weight and lean tissue.
all im getting are graphs and 'your wrong' w lol 'i know this guy...' blah blah blah well fucking prove it. show me.
why hasnt one gym rat who looks 'that good natural' competed and wiped the floor w other 'normal' nattys.
its simple. they are all the same. the anomalies are juiced. that the bare facts.
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what 'people'?
Yah, I have yet to see this large population of non-gym going members with large ripped arms, six packs and cobra backs. I am actually sick and tired of this myth being repeated over and over and over again with zero evidence. Anecdotal evidence is bullshit. I once had a Medical Doctor try and convince me that his brother could bench press 500 lbs the first time he touched a weight and could carry two 450 pound logs under each arm because he saw him do all of those things. He then proceeded to tell me all of his "muscle" and strength came about because he was a lumberjack who liked to build his own furniture. ::)
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Any pics of what you looked like prior tp lifting?
Skinny as a rail. 130 lbs at 5`11/6 ft.
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race might be a wild card here but ya man where are all these anomalies that are walking about that disprove my theory everyone is saying exists.
everyone is talking like theres exceptions to the rule every where - SHOW ME.
you guys think i talk to hear my own voice? prove to me your stance. i proved mine- look at a natty show line up. they are all carbon copies for the most part. same height, weight and lean tissue.
all im getting are graphs and 'your wrong' w lol 'i know this guy...' blah blah blah well fucking prove it. show me.
why hasnt one gym rat who looks 'that good natural' competed and wiped the floor w other 'normal' nattys.
its simple. they are all the same. the anomalies are juiced. that the bare facts.
Race isn`t a wild card. These people commenting, don`t even live in the South and probably have seen 4 black people in person their whole life. I can assure you, I NEVER, EVER, EVER see specimens of this ripped, large arms, six pack, population among blacks or any race and living in the South, you are in the thick of it.
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what is your job ? do you have any ? or are you just remain inside your house searching for fake naturals pics in thongs ?
you look like a deformed rotten tree btw ;D
Uncle Junior. ::)
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Race isn`t a wild card. These people commenting, don`t even live in the South and probably have seen 4 black people in person their whole life. I can assure you, I NEVER, EVER, EVER see specimens of this ripped, large arms, six pack, population among blacks or any race and living in the South, you are in the thick of it.
ya i dont see many up where i am to know. lol
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ya i dont see many up where i am to know. lol
Yeah, most people are not qualified at all on all matters Hebrew unless they have lived amongst them. They get this warped view that has no basis in reality whatsoever.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6el2ygcKlng/TQF8HTSO1uI/AAAAAAAAAME/FB66QUdqkfA/s1600/Black.jpg)
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race might be a wild card here but ya man where are all these anomalies that are walking about that disprove my theory everyone is saying exists.
everyone is talking like theres exceptions to the rule every where - SHOW ME.
you guys think i talk to hear my own voice? prove to me your stance. i proved mine- look at a natty show line up. they are all carbon copies for the most part. same height, weight and lean tissue.
all im getting are graphs and 'your wrong' w lol 'i know this guy...' blah blah blah well fucking prove it. show me.
why hasnt one gym rat who looks 'that good natural' competed and wiped the floor w other 'normal' nattys.
its simple. they are all the same. the anomalies are juiced. that the bare facts.
I agree (apart from race being a wild card :D).
The graphs and stats being provided are generally throwing all people in the one category (regardless of age, height..etc) but this wasn’t the point you had made.
Of course a 6’5ft, 20 year Nigerian is going to build more muscle naturally then a 50 year old, 5’5ft Ethiopian for instance.
However, put that same Nigerian against another 6’5ft, 20 year old Nigerian and the amount of muscle mass the two can build naturally is probably going to be very similar.
Sure, their strength might vary considerably and one might look far better then the other because of superior aesthetics/muscle bellies/insertions, but the amount of lean muscle they carry will not all that different imo.
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I agree (apart from race being a wild card :D).
The graphs and stats being provided are generally throwing all people in the one category (regardless of age, height..etc) but this wasn’t the point you had made.
Of course a 6’5ft, 20 year Nigerian is going to build more muscle naturally then a 50 year old, 5’5ft Ethiopian for instance.
However, put that same Nigerian against another 6’5ft, 20 year old Nigerian and the amount of muscle mass the two can build naturally is probably going to be very similar.
Sure, their strength might vary considerably and one might look far better then the other because of superior aesthetics/muscle bellies/insertions, but the amount of lean muscle they carry will not all that different imo.
exactly.
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How do you explain the preponderance of blacks at the top of sports like track and field, football, basketball, etc., particularly given their percentage of the population? You claimed earlier to have competed in track and field when you were younger. If blacks didn't dominate you either competed in an all white conference or stopped competing after the 6th grade.
Culture. You don`t understand their mentality. Certain Sports and "Music" are the highest aspirations for them and the per capita amount involved in those activities are overwhelming when compared per capita to other races. Take Swimming for example, a sport that is not culturally accepted for them and therefore not participated in really. They are horrible in it. They certainly could produce at least one good swimmer, but they haven`t because they are culturally afraid of water. Hockey as well. This one is cultural and geographical. Hockey is a northern sport and look where the population of blacks are. Not in the north. Hell, you would be hard pressed to find any white Southerners for that matter picking up a hockey stick and ending up in the NHL.
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you've admitted many times to taking juice. Now you're claiming natty?
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How do you explain the preponderance of blacks at the top of sports like track and field, football, basketball, etc., particularly given their percentage of the population? You claimed earlier to have competed in track and field when you were younger. If blacks didn't dominate you either competed in an all white conference or stopped competing after the 6th grade.
because certain sports attract blacks?
are you really this fucking stupid?
holy fuck.
dude seriously. go to bbing.com where you'll fit in.
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How do you explain the preponderance of blacks at the top of sports like track and field, football, basketball, etc., particularly given their percentage of the population? You claimed earlier to have competed in track and field when you were younger. If blacks didn't dominate you either competed in an all white conference or stopped competing after the 6th grade.
Also, these sports don`t measure anything other than the ability to play them. Larry Bird looked like like absolute shit and used to chain smoke and drink with John Cougar Mellencamp after games. However he was good at playing basketball. A genetic specimen, I think not.
(http://terceirotempo.bol.uol.com.br/imagens/56/52/43205.jpg)
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How do you explain the preponderance of blacks at the top of sports like track and field, football, basketball, etc., particularly given their percentage of the population? You claimed earlier to have competed in track and field when you were younger. If blacks didn't dominate you either competed in an all white conference or stopped competing after the 6th grade.
Then how do you explain Goodrum? ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71565.0;attach=79320;image)
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(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/12-larry-bird-greatest-best-sports-mustaches.jpg)
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How about varying training? CHanging diet a bit. Tweaking supps?
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For those who are saying its purely genetic and for those who are saying its purely environment. Both are wrong.
Its an intricate blend of genetics and environment. Most scientists in the 21st century would agree that humans are a product of their environment and genetics. You cant reduce someone purely to their biology without taking into consideration environmental factors, in the same way you can't say its all environment and no biology. Scientists have demonstrated that environment and biology act upon each other.
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There are many, many, more white kids who play HS basketball and football in the US than black ones. Yet blacks dominate these sports at the higher levels. It's genetics.
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Care to regale us why all of the black swimmers are complete failures, even at a competitive level. What about their genetics suck so bad that they are absolutely horrible at what is considered one of the if not the most physical sport for one's body?
This oughta be good.
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Care to regale us why all of the black swimmers are complete failures, even at a competitive level. What about their genetics suck so bad that they are absolutely horrible at what is considered one of the if not the most physical sport for one's body?
This oughta be good.
Pretty shit at Ice hockey as well.
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For those who are saying its purely genetic and for those who are saying its purely environment. Both are wrong.
Its an intricate blend of genetics and environment. Most scientists in the 21st century would agree that humans are a product of their environment and genetics. You cant reduce someone purely to their biology without taking into consideration environmental factors, in the same way you can't say its all environment and no biology. Scientists have demonstrated that environment and biology act upon each other.
Yes, but we are talking about stupid sports here that require no genetic specialization really when we should be reducing it to skeletal muscle tissue, bone density and purely biological factors.
Pointing to some dumbass fumbling a football around or dribbling a rubber ball around and proclaiming him some sort of Milo of Croton because he is good at those sports is nonsensical.
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I know you, like many commenting here, are childless so you're not familiar with youth sports and how you move your kid along the line. Swimming is one of the most expensive, time consuming sports out there. You have to get up at 4:00 am to take your kid to the pool. You have to hire coaches. You have to travel around to swim meets, etc. Swimming is a huge commitment for the entire family. Poor blacks don't do this shit.
I swam for 13 years competitively. I never once woke up at 4:00 am, Never had to hire a coach, travel was provided for by the school via bus. The only thing you need is a Speedo and goggles which the teams provide or are way, way, way less than a pair of Nike Air Jordans. You don`t even have to buy anything else for Swimming at all. Its about the cheapest sport there is. Its just you and your body.
Try again.
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Same concept as swimming. Getting ice time in most of the US for your kid is an expensive, major pain in the ass. They're not doing this in the ghetto.
Its all free for Public Schools. What the hell are you talking about? ??? ??? ???
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many/most start lifting to look better for pulling chicks ... and quality women clearly prefer the physically fit natural health look ... and so juiced muscle is basically just to impress other guys or lower tier broads.
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hockey is the most expensive sport to get your kids into. end of transaction.
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hockey is the most expensive sport to get your kids into. end of transaction.
Not Swimming though.
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Yah, I have yet to see this large population of non-gym going members with large ripped arms, six packs and cobra backs. I am actually sick and tired of this myth being repeated over and over and over again with zero evidence. Anecdotal evidence is bullshit. I once had a Medical Doctor try and convince me that his brother could bench press 500 lbs the first time he touched a weight and could carry two 450 pound logs under each arm because he saw him do all of those things. He then proceeded to tell me all of his "muscle" and strength came about because he was a lumberjack who liked to build his own furniture. ::)
It seems like you judge the world based on your own physical limitations if you cant do it nobody else cant, good for you if it makes you feel better.
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Why is everyone assuming that blacks who want to play sports are automatically poor? ??? ??? ???
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It seems like you judge the world based on your own physical limitations if you cant do it nobody else cant, good for you if it makes you feel better.
Can you bench 500 lbs and carry two 450 lb logs without any weight training?
Did you have a six pack, ripped arms and a cobra back without picking up a weight?
I don`t even need an answer. ;)
This mystery group of untrained individuals with ripped arms and six packs and cobra backs is nothing but the stuff of myths.
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I know you, like many commenting here, are childless so you're not familiar with youth sports and how you move your kid along the line.
I swam for 13 years competitively. I never once woke up at 4:00 am, Never had to hire a coach, travel was provided for by the school via bus. The only thing you need is a Speedo and goggles which the teams provide or are way, way, way less than a pair of Nike Air Jordans. You don`t even have to buy anything else for Swimming at all. Its about the cheapest sport there is. Its just you and your body.
Try again.
hahaha when is this guy going to stop.
its almost embarrassing.
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hockey is the most expensive sport to get your kids into. end of transaction.
finally something we agree on sir. lol
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hahaha when is this guy going to stop.
its almost embarrassing.
Who knows? I am still waiting on pics of these untrained beasts that could win a Natural Pro Show if they just put on posing trunks they can`t afford.
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finally something we agree on sir. lol
haha, i know i was being argumentative before but that was just on a really small topic.
TBH one of my favorite, and i do mean favorite, sagas in getbig history was when everyone was trying to figure out who you were and pulled up those pictures of a chubby guy, and there you were just sitting back, letting everyone keep posting that shit for months until you dropped the hammer down. one of the few honest belly laughs GB ever gave me.
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I think its time to remind everybody that hugh jackman deadlifts 400 pounds.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2013/mutant-strength-hugh-jackmans-wolverine-workout-plan_c.jpg)
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haha, i know i was being argumentative before but that was just on a really small topic.
TBH one of my favorite, and i do mean favorite, sagas in getbig history was when everyone was trying to figure out who you were and pulled up those pictures of a chubby guy, and there you were just sitting back, letting everyone keep posting that shit for months until you dropped the hammer down. one of the few honest belly laughs GB ever gave me.
i was under attack in that thread. all gb's heavy hitters came out. chaos, pandaemonium, squadfather, TA i think? it was 70 pages i think of carnage.
what was that kids name- erin b? hes was on bbing.com. i think the thread slowed down after he came here and started threatening to sue everyone.
i remember being in mexico w Xfactor shooting the shit at the height of the whole 'who is no one' saga. im like dude, im going to post my pic. hes like no way dont do it. let them all wonder. :D
trainer thinks his pic is in demand? pfft. he had nothing on me. i trolled the fuck out of this place for 7 years before i decided to post my pic. good times.
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I think its time to remind everybody that hugh jackman deadlifts 400 pounds.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2013/mutant-strength-hugh-jackmans-wolverine-workout-plan_c.jpg)
He lives in an echo chamber where that is some impressive weight. Pretty funny that he hasn`t learned that this puts him on a level of a novice teenager. :-\
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Can you bench 500 lbs and carry two 450 lb logs without any weight training?
Did you have a six pack, ripped arms and a cobra back without picking up a weight?
I don`t even need an answer. ;)
This mystery group of untrained individuals with ripped arms and six packs and cobra backs is nothing but the stuff of myths.
This is a picture of an african tribe from 1949 so I am sure there are no dumbbells and barbells lying around and no proper nutrition, take a look at the guys body.
(http://agnautacouture.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pgp20280-1.jpg)
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i was under attack in that thread. all gb's heavy hitters came out. chaos, pandaemonium, squadfather, TA i think? it was 70 pages i think of carnage.
what was that kids name- erin b? hes was on bbing.com. i think the thread slowed down after he came here and started threatening to sue everyone.
i remember being in mexico w Xfactor shooting the shit at the height of the whole 'who is no one' saga. im like dude, im going to post my pic. hes like no way dont do it. let them all wonder. :D
trainer thinks his pic is in demand? pfft. he had nothing on me. i trolled the fuck out of this place for 7 years before i decided to post my pic. good times.
It ended with me debating the tyranny which the Union displayed in the War of Northern Aggression. Classic thread for sure.
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hockey is the most expensive sport to get your kids into. end of transaction.
More expensive than aircraft carrier racing? I would not have thought that ice hockey is more expensive than aircraft carrier racing.
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i was under attack in that thread. all gb's heavy hitters came out. chaos, pandaemonium, squadfather, TA i think? it was 70 pages i think of carnage.
what was that kids name- erin b? hes was on bbing.com. i think the thread slowed down after he came here and started threatening to sue everyone.
i remember being in mexico w Xfactor shooting the shit at the height of the whole 'who is no one' saga. im like dude, im going to post my pic. hes like no way dont do it. let them all wonder. :D
trainer thinks his pic is in demand? pfft. he had nothing on me. i trolled the fuck out of this place for 7 years before i decided to post my pic. good times.
trainer thinks anyone actually cares about his pics, everyone's just fucking around with the constant "NO REALLY I'LL POST AT XMAS" thing. you had dudes hunting you down on other sites. then again, this was back in the "exposing" days when everyone was falling all over themselves trying to dig up pictures and addresses of people. ::)
i actually felt bad for the guy they were plastering all over (i THINK it was ryan b). he didn't even look bad, he'd gotten himself in pretty decent shape from when he started. i don't even know HOW everyone got it in their heads that was you.
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This is a picture of an african tribe from 1949 so I am sure there are no dumbbells and barbells lying around and no proper nutrition, take a look at the guys body.
(http://agnautacouture.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/pgp20280-1.jpg)
The guy who took that picture had a grandson who shot people because he couldn`t get girls.
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you have become bipolar regarding bodybuild . you are like in your 40s and posting in forum instead of having family. abusing steroids eating like a bird taliking gaytalk with other posters . saying this guy is not juiced wen he is obviously juiced just to suck disgusteds cock. you are a loser and you know it .
and yes , i own your ass in bodybuilding department . 8)
should i clap my hands?
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These guys aren`t anything special at all and would not win any physique contest against someone trained.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/25tkxhi.jpg)
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trainer thinks anyone actually cares about his pics, everyone's just fucking around with the constant "NO REALLY I'LL POST AT XMAS" thing. you had dudes hunting you down on other sites. then again, this was back in the "exposing" days when everyone was falling all over themselves trying to dig up pictures and addresses of people. ::)
i actually felt bad for the guy they were plastering all over (i THINK it was ryan b). he didn't even look bad, he'd gotten himself in pretty decent shape from when he started. i don't even know HOW everyone got it in their heads that was you.
it was those fuckers chaos and pandae! lol fuck.
the classic 'claim the dork/ fat guy in the photo is (insert name here)' and then have the whole board jump on it. :D
that one never gets old.
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I am still not seeing that these Nubas are anything special.
They are VERY Short and small people by the way.
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(http://s28.postimg.org/4dgr3dldl/dc368b13f18ce6a1002940c73de3ce47.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4dgr3dldl/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/l2i6zahyx/ef5d52abed47ca2aad446539361e7666.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l2i6zahyx/)
(http://s28.postimg.org/ltax52kcd/04b4744adff8d3fbbfca2c5011fd340a.jpg)
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first clean it off from my semen :D
go drill some cement hhahahah god
you = bipolar
cement?
your mom told me her name was Gladys. wtf.
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Mr. Olympias right here. See Trainer, you selected the Nuba Tribe which proves my point well. The Nuba tribe is what you could pure genetic specimens in that they have had no disruption of their gene pool from outside sources from other Africans. So this is what they are going to look like on average. (What the guy on the left using to get that Gyno :o, must be a huge stack)
(http://thestorybehindthefaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nuba_3bodypaintings_agostinoarts.jpg)
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Finally an entire race of people not wider than Heath! :o :o
(http://thestorybehindthefaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nuba_3bodypaintings_agostinoarts.jpg)
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come with something better you bipolar loser.
huh..you are dumb as fck...i own your ass in every department of life .
josh. you dont need to make yourself sound stupid.
and you dont own anything from what i understand lol
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who is this motherfcking josh..fuckk josh and her girlfrnd alex
so... you DO know who josh is.
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who is this motherfcking josh..fuckk josh and her girlfrnd alex
i own your butthole nancey. your grandmaa will eye fuck me i am so handsome and FREAKY muscular 8)
hi grandma.
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George Washington Vanderbilt has got the entire Nuba tribe conditioning wise.
(http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/78028176-thb0009152-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=lIvZi39jSfMsF%2BKOrXLlNJWWAkPoaer3nzL0PvwL6CA%3D)
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Same Body Weight.
8 Years, epic slow progress. :-\
That is called the "Adonis principles", which is stillborn child of the "calorie is a calorie" theory. Hope this helps..But don't feel bad: you still fit in your Nazi costume after these years ;D
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(http://s9.postimg.org/aem95nn6n/d14cc16a7a4f8d7a9a865cf15cf062c2.jpg)
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(http://s11.postimg.org/69b7l48ib/494cb73bc5be320fc82fe742d781b250.jpg)
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(http://s11.postimg.org/fv9df5p1v/aug_hot_33_bodybuilder.jpg)
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it was those fuckers chaos and pandae! lol fuck.
the classic 'claim the dork/ fat guy in the photo is (insert name here)' and then have the whole board jump on it. :D
that one never gets old.
I remember I bumped that thread ;D
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(http://s1.postimg.org/af7501n8v/j_bb_7.jpg)
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(http://s14.postimg.org/5j8e6jjup/ap_body_4.jpg)
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(http://s27.postimg.org/6xvq6qs9f/feb_hot_vint_39_bulge.jpg)
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(http://s28.postimg.org/z2n1n7ptp/hot_vint_35.jpg)
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Sorry Adonis, you're not going to get any better than you are right now. You'll get slowly worse as you age... it's perfectly normal.
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(http://s9.postimg.org/bufuo7di7/hot_vint7.jpg)
(http://s15.postimg.org/ub4c2vozv/hotvint54_2.jpg)
(http://s17.postimg.org/c2xy229y7/hot_vint55_rest.jpg)
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(http://s9.postimg.org/bufuo7di7/hot_vint7.jpg)
(http://s15.postimg.org/ub4c2vozv/hotvint54_2.jpg)
(http://s17.postimg.org/c2xy229y7/hot_vint55_rest.jpg)
no ones argument being validated in this thread.
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(http://s18.postimg.org/d4sdbb9eh/beefcake_20.jpg)
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(http://s14.postimg.org/kp595zv41/beefcake_2.jpg)
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(http://s18.postimg.org/d4sdbb9eh/beefcake_20.jpg)
Which ones Wes?
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(http://s14.postimg.org/kp595zv41/beefcake_2.jpg)
mark overstepped. ;D
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(http://s11.postimg.org/69b7l48ib/494cb73bc5be320fc82fe742d781b250.jpg)
this dude has somehow testosterone levels far beyond the modern human
he either was on sterons or had higher levels because of environmental factors
that arm is easily 18-19"
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(http://s18.postimg.org/d4sdbb9eh/beefcake_20.jpg)
This pic needs Tbombz in the background. :D
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(http://s24.postimg.org/85kbhtu2d/a_pool_boy_robert_conrad.jpg)
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(http://s11.postimg.org/49znqtkib/gay_beefcake_cowboy.jpg)
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(http://s23.postimg.org/tg2ro94wr/a_nude1.jpg)
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(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/SideChest.jpg)
(http://zacheven-esh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/graniteside.jpg)
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(http://s24.postimg.org/4v559fiwl/Goerner2.jpg)
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(http://s29.postimg.org/3osa9o4rb/images_q_tbn_ANd9_Gc_Tyw_Xbq7_O3_DZNAs_Rh_PCw_KQln_Bdzran.jpg)
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(http://s22.postimg.org/nqmxttbox/clip_image021.jpg)
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(http://s23.postimg.org/w1r6e44rf/13836d1342950197_cuando_el_culturismo_era_en_bla.jpg)
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(http://s28.postimg.org/tuc8dswot/11kuicj.jpg)
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(http://s30.postimg.org/kyy5s6wqp/2dfa6_ernestcadine1.jpg)
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FFS stop with the pictures
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(http://s30.postimg.org/r82bo44sh/index_php_action_dlattach_topic_460347_0_attach.jpg)
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homoeroticsm is in full blast in this thread now' no homo'
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homoeroticsm is in full blast in this thread now' no homo'
Lol
I leave the thread for a day and it turns into Fire Island :P
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Mr. Olympias right here. See Trainer, you selected the Nuba Tribe which proves my point well. The Nuba tribe is what you could pure genetic specimens in that they have had no disruption of their gene pool from outside sources from other Africans. So this is what they are going to look like on average. (What the guy on the left using to get that Gyno :o, must be a huge stack)
(http://thestorybehindthefaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nuba_3bodypaintings_agostinoarts.jpg)
TA you are talking about people who dont workout and have poor eating habits so to look as good as they do is pretty impressive, now imagine if they had access to a proper gym and good nutrition they would better than you after a year of hard training.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=552319.0;attach=582464;image)
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Did you have a six pack, ripped arms and a cobra back without picking up a weight?
Yes , I'm a freak , I hope this helps .
16 years old 125-130 lbs.
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Why is adonis fulling up the thread with erotic photos of men is he trying to tell us that he is gay.
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Mr. Olympias right here. See Trainer, you selected the Nuba Tribe which proves my point well. The Nuba tribe is what you could pure genetic specimens in that they have had no disruption of their gene pool from outside sources from other Africans. So this is what they are going to look like on average. (What the guy on the left using to get that Gyno :o, must be a huge stack)
(http://thestorybehindthefaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/nuba_3bodypaintings_agostinoarts.jpg)
The experts on this forum would however accuse them of using drugs to their 'gyno'.
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Can't open this thread at work cuz all these pics look like a Simple Simon photo shoot ;D
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Yes , I'm a freak , I hope this helps .
16 years old 125-130 lbs.
jacked as fuck brah
were you on 6g a week there
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I think its time to remind everybody that hugh jackman deadlifts 400 pounds.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2013/mutant-strength-hugh-jackmans-wolverine-workout-plan_c.jpg)
Not overly impressive lol. He looks pretty good though. Legs not so much.
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Not overly impressive lol. He looks pretty good though. Legs not so much.
-it's a light weight
-he's a lightpole with long arms which makes it easier
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Which ones Wes?
;D ;D ;D
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(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10426132_336362693212681_2851846814350539384_n.jpg?oh=1dea7e7ed9adb94cc6051c7789f98214&oe=54ED581F)
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(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10426132_336362693212681_2851846814350539384_n.jpg?oh=1dea7e7ed9adb94cc6051c7789f98214&oe=54ED581F)
That's the cue for TA to come in and loudly squeak that he's a natural, "because he said so!"
Team Myostatin Deficient!
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I don't think even Adonis believes/stands up for this guy.
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He doesn't quite look natty, but he doesn't look fully gassed either. Looks like he's playing with some peps, AIs, and some low dose low grade anabolic like Proviron or something.
Gh15 approved.
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He doesn't quite look natty, but he doesn't look fully gassed either.
Only 2 pills of winny a week and a good nutritional plan. ::)
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(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10426132_336362693212681_2851846814350539384_n.jpg?oh=1dea7e7ed9adb94cc6051c7789f98214&oe=54ED581F)
great build.
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Whoa, somebody upped the dose! :D
2:08
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(http://s24.postimg.org/4v559fiwl/Goerner2.jpg)
All gas chamber cadaver HGH
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Same Body Weight.
This pic was taken July 4th, 2006.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82189.0;attach=88011;image)
This one was taken April 1, 2014.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=528255.0;attach=559922;image)
Good athletic build for every day activity. U don't want to get bigger and get out of gas quickly. And too low fat is not practical too, if u get sick or want avoid sickness.
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Culture. You don`t understand their mentality. Certain Sports and "Music" are the highest aspirations for them and the per capita amount involved in those activities are overwhelming when compared per capita to other races. Take Swimming for example, a sport that is not culturally accepted for them and therefore not participated in really. They are horrible in it. They certainly could produce at least one good swimmer, but they haven`t because they are culturally afraid of water. Hockey as well. This one is cultural and geographical. Hockey is a northern sport and look where the population of blacks are. Not in the north. Hell, you would be hard pressed to find any white Southerners for that matter picking up a hockey stick and ending up in the NHL.
I know u don't like hebrews, but let's be fair. U should know very well that basketball, track&field, football wasn't always culturally accepted by them or tolerated among white folks. Too much trouble to bother and America was much more racist before 70s.
As to why they do good at this sports, weren't they selectively breed among strong one's?
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I know u don't like hebrews, but let's be fair. U should know very well that basketball, track&field, football wasn't always culturally accepted by them or tolerated among white folks. Too much trouble to bother and America was much more racist before 70s.
As to why they do good at this sports, weren't they selectively breed among strong one's?
No! No! No! No!
There never was or could have been a "breeding program" for many, many reasons, too numerous to list really. For one, economically, it would not make sense for starters.
Most slave owners did not own Tons of slaves. The majority just 1-5 (hardly a big gene pool to select from, which they didn`t bother to do anyway). On the bigger plantations you had hundreds (still not a big enough gene pool to select from and they didn`t select anyways), and then the Plantation Owners did not force breed at all. Instead, slaves were permitted to carry on as a normal family would and Plantation Owners always tried to keep families together. Slaves were permitted to marry whoever they wanted and owners recognized these marriages. There is a lot more to this aspect that would take forever to delve into.
Not only that, but the Phenotype does NOT determine a Genotype. Just because James was good with a pitch fork and plow does not automatically mean his son James Jr. would be equally adept. Also, there simply would be no way to identify positive alleles in such a short amount of time. There would be nothing to look for nor any scientific way of doing so.
Hope this helps and like I said, do a search. I have went into great detail on this elsewhere. The smaller and more skilled would be better. Less calories to feed them and they could actually do something.
The main thing any plantation owner looked for was work ethic and skill sets and work history (things you couldn`t breed for anyways). As amusing as that sounds, its true. If Junius was known to be a good cook and his wife Mary a domestic capable of keeping the plantation`s owners children in line, then they were incredibly important and more valuable to keep together which always happened. Same thing with field workers. You can`t get much work out of someone separated from their family and unhappy. Much better to keep families together. Plus, most owners cared what happened to their slaves and their own children grew up side by side with them.
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You look like you could be Mike Kat'z son....
Pump it up Ahhhhhhnold!!!!
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miller looks awesome i'll say that..
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What horrible robotic posing.
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What horrible robotic posing.
it's a representation of his personality