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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Tre on May 15, 2006, 12:13:17 PM
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Why would I take something less than what is owed. Number one it takes allot to get a discount at a hotel in Hawaii. We have a thing here called a Kama'aina discount which is given to people who live in Hawaii. It is really good at hotels. Most of the time we can get 50% off the room rate. The Kahala Mandarin is one of the most exclusive hotels in Hawaii. The President stays there as does many many celebrities. My friend was one of the managers there. So Sean asks me to get him a discount there cause it is one of hsi favorites hotels. So I make a call and get it done. End of story....I thought.
I get a phone call from my friend later that night. Apparently my friend got off at 4pm and hung around for another 2 hours waiting for Sean whose plane landed around 3pm or so don't remember. Anyway he has to leave to pick his kids up from some swim meet or something like that around 6pm or so. He tells me that Sean didn't show yet. I said okay well whatever. The next day he tells me he had a note in his box that some guy was making a scene in the lobby last night about having a room reserved but he told the front desk people he didn't have his ID. Which right there is bullshit since you can't fly without ID. I have no idea why he wouldn't show his ID. Anyway what happend was he got put into another room which was slightly higher in price because that was all that was left. He lost his room for being several hours late. Well that upgrade cost money. We told him that and everything was supposed to be okay. My friend who is the nicest guy in the world felt kind of bad still because he gave Sean one room rate but it ended up being a little more than he said. I told him hey he was late, he did not even call you to tell you he was late, he made a fool out of himself in the lobby and he tells them he doesn't have any ID. f**k him charge him for the room upgrade. Even though we told Sean about the upgrade and he said no problem, my friend felt so bad that he decided to cover the extra charges himself. He told me this after Sean left cause if he told me while Sean was still there I would have made Sean pay. He showed me the cost and it was almost $600. I got really pissed at him for this expeciually when Sean didn't have the decency to even call him. He only met him once to even thank him for the room. So I ended up paying him back cause I felt bad that he had to pay for guy who took advantage of him and didn't have the balls to even say bye when he left. So that is the story. It's not's even the money it's the principle of the thing. He uses people all the time and never has the decency to even thank them or whatever. He did the same thing to my partner on Maui. He thinks his shit don't stink and he is above everyone. Sure he can turnon the nice when he wants, but it is all fake. It how a person handles himself when the cameras are off that really tells the story.
God, where to begin...
Obviously, I love peace and despise drama. I love it when people work as a team and when a plan comes together. Unfortunately, the nature of people is that, well, they're people. People can be great or people can suck, period.
That being said, I don't know what either of you gets out of carrying on this way. It's not like you're 25-year-old kids with nothing better to do and as has been stated by many of the board's viewers, you're both bigger than this. You're both bodybuilding promoters and with that being the case, we the fans have a right to expect a certain level of decorum from you. It doesn't mean you're obligated to give us what we want - I'm not saying that - but we do have a right to expect it.
Keith - I don't know whether the disputed amount was $600 or $4000 or something in between, but even if it's the higher amount, I don't see the payoff you get from constantly tearing down the efforts of others. There's NOTHING in Shawn's presentation that would indicate he hasn't grown as a person since this incident between the two of you.
I won't profess to know all the details, but c'mon now, travel can be delayed for any number of reasons. And if he was a 'few hours' late and 'didn't call', did you consider the fact he may have been *in the air* at the time he was supposed to have checked in? The original room should've been guaranteed and should've been ready and waiting when he arrived, regardless of who made the reservation and regardless of the time of arrival. If your friend's hotel gave away Shawn's room and decided to upgrade him, then that's on them. It's my opinion that - since the hotel gave away Shawn's original room - he should NOT be responsible for the difference in price. And if you invited Shawn there, then you should've comped his room, meaning that you would pay the discounted base rate for the room and the hotel would cover the cost of the upgrade.
Does anyone else here agree with that assessment?
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theres really too much for me to read in your post, but a peace treaty. NEVER. its part of the getbig karma.
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theres really too much for me to read in your post, but a peace treaty. NEVER. its part of the getbig karma.
You're a true GetBigger to the core, bro. ;D
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perhaps their differences should be settled in the sumo ring :D
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perhaps their differences should be settled in the sumo ring :D
There was cage fighting at Shawn's Expo. The jiu-jitsu mat action was better, though.
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Shawn vs Onlyme its like old married couple.
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God, where to begin...
Obviously, I love peace and despise drama. I love it when people work as a team and when a plan comes together. Unfortunately, the nature of people is that, well, they're people. People can be great or people can suck, period.
That being said, I don't know what either of you gets out of carrying on this way. It's not like you're 25-year-old kids with nothing better to do and as has been stated by many of the board's viewers, you're both bigger than this. You're both bodybuilding promoters and with that being the case, we the fans have a right to expect a certain level of decorum from you. It doesn't mean you're obligated to give us what we want - I'm not saying that - but we do have a right to expect it.
Keith - I don't know whether the disputed amount was $600 or $4000 or something in between, but even if it's the higher amount, I don't see the payoff you get from constantly tearing down the efforts of others. There's NOTHING in Shawn's presentation that would indicate he hasn't grown as a person since this incident between the two of you.
I won't profess to know all the details, but c'mon now, travel can be delayed for any number of reasons. And if he was a 'few hours' late and 'didn't call', did you consider the fact he may have been *in the air* at the time he was supposed to have checked in? The original room should've been guaranteed and should've been ready and waiting when he arrived, regardless of who made the reservation and regardless of the time of arrival. If your friend's hotel gave away Shawn's room and decided to upgrade him, then that's on them. It's my opinion that - since the hotel gave away Shawn's original room - he should NOT be responsible for the difference in price. And if you invited Shawn there, then you should've comped his room, meaning that you would pay the discounted base rate for the room and the hotel would cover the cost of the upgrade.
Does anyone else here agree with that assessment?
Who is this person... so wise in the ways of the world? You offer a rational & lucid rebuttal, to the chaos that permeates the Keith v. Shawn debacle. I sir, commend you and agree with you.
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I think this would show integrity and forgiveness on both sides.
I also think the $300 should be spent on a nice website!
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Shawn is in keith's head 24/7 :o
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God, where to begin...
Keith - I don't know whether the disputed amount was $600 or $4000 or something in between, but even if it's the higher amount, I don't see the payoff you get from constantly tearing down the efforts of others. There's NOTHING in Shawn's presentation that would indicate he hasn't grown as a person since this incident between the two of you.
I won't profess to know all the details, but c'mon now, travel can be delayed for any number of reasons.
Yea he said he was hungry and went to eat. The plane was on time. And he never called
And if he was a 'few hours' late and 'didn't call', did you consider the fact he may have been *in the air* at the time he was supposed to have checked in?
No my friend is a hotel manager, it happens all the time. He called the airline to see. So you are barking up the wrong tree.
The original room should've been guaranteed and should've been ready and waiting when he arrived, regardless of who made the reservation and regardless of the time of arrival.
To tell you truth I can't remember the exact circumstances about the release of the room. But a hotel like this during season it is booked solid. So if there is a no show then that room is gone in a minute. What was left was a higher rate room that Sean got for just a few dollars more.
If your friend's hotel gave away Shawn's room and decided to upgrade him, then that's on them.
No it's not on them. Sean was told about the upgrade and agreed to pay the difference. If not then he could have went somewhere else. Tre you are losing this battle. You are defending something you know nothing about.
It's my opinion that - since the hotel gave away Shawn's original room - he should NOT be responsible for the difference in price. And if you invited Shawn there, then you should've comped his room, meaning that you would pay the discounted base rate for the room and the hotel would cover the cost of the upgrade.
This may be where you are mistaken in a big way. Sean called me to get him a room for him and his new wife before going off to Maui to meet Flex and his wife. HE CALLED ME FOR THE FAVOR. I DID NOT CALL HIM. You need to understand I was doing Sean a FAVOR. He was NOT doing me anything.
Does anyone else here agree with that assessment?
NO I DON'T!
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This may be where you are mistaken in a big way. Sean called me to get him a room for him and his new wife before going off to Maui to meet Flex and his wife. HE CALLED ME FOR THE FAVOR. I DID NOT CALL HIM. You need to understand I was doing Sean a FAVOR. He was NOT doing me anything.
Ohhh...ok, I was confused.
This whole time, I was under the impression that you were talking about Shawn being an invited guest to your show a few years ago (I think it was May 2002) and then pulling a diva act on you that weekend.
The fact that this hotel incident was NOT related to your show certainly does put things in an entirely different light and I do apologize. In the case you have presented, Shawn was clearly responsible for the original room charge. Even though the discounted room reservation was granted as a personal favor, I still don't think it's his ethical responsibility to pay for the upgrade, however, taking you at your word, he is responsible for the room charge.
I commend you for stepping up and not sticking your friend with the bill. Since Shawn isn't disputing the facts as you've presented them, we do not have a he said/he said situation - the story has to be accepted as you have stated it and Shawn owes you the $600.
Shawn, unless you have a different version of events, you need to make this right, man. If you don't want to write a check, why not comp Keith a booth at next year's Expo to promote his next event?
I take the bad on misinterpreting your story, Keith, and appreciate you setting the record straight.
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Shawn is in keith's head 24/7 :o
Ohhh...ok, I was confused.
This whole time, I was under the impression that you were talking about Shawn being an invited guest to your show a few years ago (I think it was May 2002) and then pulling a diva act on you that weekend.
The fact that this hotel incident was NOT related to your show certainly does put things in an entirely different light and I do apologize. In the case you have presented, Shawn was clearly responsible for the original room charge. Even though the discounted room reservation was granted as a personal favor, I still don't think it's his ethical responsibility to pay for the upgrade, however, taking you at your word, he is responsible for the room charge.
I commend you for stepping up and not sticking your friend with the bill. Since Shawn isn't disputing the facts as you've presented them, we do not have a he said/he said situation - the story has to be accepted as you have stated it and Shawn owes you the $600.
Shawn, unless you have a different version of events, you need to make this right, man. If you don't want to write a check, why not comp Keith a booth at next year's Expo to promote his next event?
I take the bad on misinterpreting your story, Keith, and appreciate you setting the record straight.
No no no. I don't care if Sean pays or not. That wasn't the point of why I mentioned this all the time. It was more for his character and how he treats people. And how so many on here idolize him like he can do no wrong ever. I gave him some suggestions and insight on his show to help him and he put me down as a loser and failure at my promotion. When in fact my show ended up with more people. And I probably lost more than he did too. I mean there aren't many NPC shows that spend $190,000 to put on a show, if any. I went balls out and I learned not too on the first time. Even though to this day the only mistake made was the date. I learned never to put on a show on a holiday and especially memorial day. I could care less about the whole ordeal. God it is 4 or 5 years ago. I forgot about it until he started firing up my memory. He disrepected me and I defended myself. Now all he does is post chubby photoshopped pics and says meltd0wn. And there is no defense when you are wrong. But who cares at this point.
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And I probably lost more than he did too.
That's not something to brag about, bro. Arguing over who's the biggest loser in producing these bodybuilding shows? Really... ::) The guy from Bulk Nutrition probably lost more than both of you together, judging by his post on the fiasco of the Charlotte Pro Show.
You need to let bygones be bygones, man.
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I think this would show integrity and forgiveness on both sides.
I also think the $300 should be spent on a nice website!
LOL, Whore !!
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That's not something to brag about, bro. Arguing over who's the biggest loser in producing these bodybuilding shows? Really... ::) The guy from Bulk Nutrition probably lost more than both of you together, judging by his post on the fiasco of the Charlotte Pro Show.
You need to let bygones be bygones, man.
He's just being honest.
Bygone be bygones?? ??? When you pour your time into something, put your name on the line to ref someone a favor, and LOSE MONEY, you never forget and usually dont forgive.
Anyways I think the IFBB/NPC should have reps that promoters can get in touch with 24/7,these promoters are the people that are the seed in making "this" sport grow. They need help help in order to grow, and make the show they decide to put on a great show and one that benefits the sport, they charge thousands of dollars for sanctioned fees,correct? they should offer some sort of consult since 1. "their name is on the line 2. The promoter is pouring his time and effort into the show.
Looks like a idea the PDI can work with???
Am I seeing this wrong.
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No no no. I don't care if Sean pays or not. That wasn't the point of why I mentioned this all the time. It was more for his character and how he treats people. And how so many on here idolize him like he can do no wrong ever. I gave him some suggestions and insight on his show to help him and he put me down as a loser and failure at my promotion. When in fact my show ended up with more people. And I probably lost more than he did too. I mean there aren't many NPC shows that spend $190,000 to put on a show, if any. I went balls out and I learned not too on the first time. Even though to this day the only mistake made was the date. I learned never to put on a show on a holiday and especially memorial day. I could care less about the whole ordeal. God it is 4 or 5 years ago. I forgot about it until he started firing up my memory. He disrepected me and I defended myself. Now all he does is post chubby photoshopped pics and says meltd0wn. And there is no defense when you are wrong. But who cares at this point.
It's an important issue to you, bro. Let's not gloss over that. It's out of respect for both of you and your efforts that I have an interest in the two of you putting this issue behind.
You're a father, so you know firsthand that fatherhood changes us. It was a long time ago and since then, Shawn has become a father, too. I have to believe that he's grown up since that time and that he looks at the world - and people - a lot differently now than he did back then.
As a fellow promoter, he shouldn't really be badmouthing your promotional efforts, but at the same time, you shouldn't be badmouthing his, regardless of the history between the two of you. It's one thing to offer constructive criticism - and I have you seen you post praise for how certain things went - but quite another to constantly ride the guy down.
You and I have never met, but I sense that you have a very kind spirit and I know you're better than this little internet feud. You've got a lot to offer and I hope that you'll realize that and start contributing more with your wealth of experience.
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I think this would show integrity and forgiveness on both sides.
I also think the $300 should be spent on a nice website!
Nope. Price is $425 now. Still the lowest around for the site, training, and support you get.
Did you have problems getting your product sold for $425?
YIP
Zack
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It's an important issue to you, bro. Let's not gloss over that. It's out of respect for both of you and your efforts that I have an interest in the two of you putting this issue behind.
You're a father, so you know firsthand that fatherhood changes us. It was a long time ago and since then, Shawn has become a father, too. I have to believe that he's grown up since that time and that he looks at the world - and people - a lot differently now than he did back then.
As a fellow promoter, he shouldn't really be badmouthing your promotional efforts, but at the same time, you shouldn't be badmouthing his, regardless of the history between the two of you. It's one thing to offer constructive criticism - and I have you seen you post praise for how certain things went - but quite another to constantly ride the guy down.
You and I have never met, but I sense that you have a very kind spirit and I know you're better than this little internet feud. You've got a lot to offer and I hope that you'll realize that and start contributing more with your wealth of experience.
Tre, like I said it was never about the money. $600 is nothing not even close to what others owe me either from loaning it to them or stealing from me. I'll lose this in2 minutes in Vegas during the Olympia. It s not a big deal. In fact now that Seans show is over I feel kind of worn out. We don't have nothing to argue about until I announce the date of my show. Then he can start ragging on me. But until then, it will just be him posting fat pics of his baby picture and my head.
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Hey 240, $300.00 is too cheap. Become More Expensive.
When we look at our competition, the first thing many think about is their price. Are they undercutting us? Yet Price is the fifth reason that people use to make a buying decision, behind the following factors:
1. Confidence that you can deliver
2. Quality of the product and service
3. The level of service that is provided
4. Selection or range of offers
5. Price
If your competitors focus on price when you are focussing on the other factors, you aren't actually competing with them. Your products and services are different. Your customers are different.
You will lose some customers when you do this, but they will be your low value customers. Of course your marketing strategy must change, but you will have more time to pursue the higher value customers rather than chasing your competitors to the bottom on price.
The only way you can make money being the lowest in price is through volume. A lot of large businesses are successful with this strategy (eg supermarkets), but have very sophisticated cost strategies. But if this is not your strategy, become more expensive.
Just my two cents.
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I think this would show integrity and forgiveness on both sides.
I also think the $300 should be spent on a nice website!
Nope. Price is $425 now. Still the lowest around for the site, training, and support you get.
Did you have problems getting your product sold for $425?
YIP
Zack
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I got faster and better at building sites. People would rather buy sites for $300 than $425. The decision was easy! Econs of scale and all that good stuff.
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If the price had been $425, I would not have bought one.
With the price at $300, I bought two! :D
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I got faster and better at building sites. People would rather buy sites for $300 than $425. The decision was easy! Econs of scale and all that good stuff.
It's all about the templates buddy ;)
plus once you have a nice library of reusable code, site building becomes effortless.
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$425 is still a good deal. I design websites too and wouldn't even think of going below $500.
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Did they both agree to a truce?
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Yeah, I spend about 90 minutes a day reading books and websites so I can grow what I can do. Ya gotta stay fresh and always growing. On every site, I try to deliver at least 2 new tricks, in addition to the little library of stuff that I have now. And tho it is sometimes mind-numbing, after doing the same thing for 8 hours a day for 5 months, you really do get fast.
I still build every site from scratch, but some things, like FAQ or media players, you only have to build once. Now my eyes hurt.
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$425 is still a good deal. I design websites too and wouldn't even think of going below $500.
A friend of mine who is quite new at designing websites, but on the other hand is able to handle all kinds of application, not just the ones seen on a site like Arvilla's (no offence Arvilla), is asking and getting $2000 for each site he makes.
And that is a price which he considers to be a bit low, considering his quality.
YIP
Zack
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A friend of mine who is quite new at designing websites, but on the other hand is able to handle all kinds of application, not just the ones seen on a site like Arvilla's (no offence Arvilla), is asking and getting $2000 for each site he makes.
And that is a price which he considers to be a bit low, considering his quality.
YIP
Zack
Name one site he made ::)
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applications guys (like garraeth) can make a killing. Garraeth is so rich he drives a Mercedez Benz helicopter to work. And he works from home.
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A friend of mine who is quite new at designing websites, but on the other hand is able to handle all kinds of application, not just the ones seen on a site like Arvilla's (no offence Arvilla), is asking and getting $2000 for each site he makes.
And that is a price which he considers to be a bit low, considering his quality.
YIP
Zack
That seems about standard for high end sites, I've charged more than that for a really big site I created but it included once a week updates for a year. 240 has outstanding sites for the money he charges, I could sub-contract him and still make some money :D
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Name one site he made ::)
http://www.300website.com/ (http://www.300website.com/)
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applications guys (like garraeth) can make a killing. Garraeth is so rich he drives a Mercedez Benz helicopter to work. And he works from home.
So the money isn't coming off his Site Injection Oil Recipes? 8)
His websites are impressive though.
YIP
Zack
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http://www.300website.com/ (http://www.300website.com/)
Hahahahahaha.....someone overpaid him ;D
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Hahahahahaha.....someone overpaid him ;D
I don't get this, since we've been told that 240 has his diploma.
Shouldn't he be able to update his own website?
YIP
Zack
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I don't get this, since we've been told that 240 has his diploma.
Shouldn't he be able to update his own website?
YIP
Zack
Maybe he meant his Bachelors degree? Or did he say he was done with his Masters?
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I don't get this, since we've been told that 240 has his diploma.
Shouldn't he be able to update his own website?
YIP
Zack
Brutal accuracy :-\