I think this might get at the heart of our disagreement
let me ask you a question OZMO if your in a fight and getting your ass kicked and theres a bat nearby do you pick up the bat?
If it looks like I'm going to get seriously hurt or robbed, yes. But I'm not going to ram the bat up the guy's ass.
IRAQ is not the United States and therefore the constitution should have no bearing. I never said the president was the american ppls voice but he was voted in by the american ppl. LOL im not even going to go into the religion thing
I don't care what Iraq is. I'm talking about common decency as a human being, not acting like the very thing I'm fighting. I guess you are. I guess you and the Terrorist are one in the same.
So what? I know that sounds cruel and it is. These guys had reason to think that certain ppl might have information some probably dont and some probably do, more than likely the ones who dont are the minority. You dont know how many lives have been saved b/c of info gained from this do you? so how can you say they never caught a fish.
Because they never changed them. They released them. And you don't even know the circumstances that made them candidates for sexual abuse and torture. If there was justifiable cause they would have been charged. And instead they weren't charged and sexually abused and tortured. And you are so blind to the blatant immorality and barbarism of those acts by your lack of sensibility and your flawed, paradigm of right and wrong.
AGAIN you are thinking about this from the pov of a US civilian...THIS IS WAR, dirty shit happens, whoever told you war is dignified state of affiars lied to you. The germans and japanese didnt resort to terrorist tatics either, this is an unconventional war and must be fought in an unconventional way.
If this is war then they are POW's and should granted rights of POW's under the geneva convention. It is not WAR if those you are fighting are neither members of another country or recognized as enemy soldiers.
Aside from all of that. It's not about being a civilian like you'd like to think i'm trying to say. It's about right and wrong, common decency and doing the right thing, being civilized, being noble, taking the high road, not being barbaric, not being medieval etc...
But it's seems more like trying to explain humane treatment to Hitler.
AGAIN I never said that Bush is the voice of america but again he was voted in so say what you want. If you go back to my previous post youll see.
Im ok with that I never said I was better than them, you know what OZMO if your trying to kill me and at the end of the day if its me or you, im sorry bud but its not gonna be me and ill do whatevers necessary to make sure of that as im sure you would as well.
Sexually abusing, imprisoning with out charge and torturing is not necessary. Especially someone you don't charge. It's overkill and the expense of our integrity.
There is a difference however between me and the terrorist we are fighting, I will live and let live always been my motto...they however feel the need to attack US establishments and its constituents...they brought on this fight.
No, you are one in the same because both of you justify the means to an end even if it means doing something barbaric and immoral.
That's the difference between us and them.
It may suprise you to know that i believe that they should have a course of action to appeal a release as well as the methods of torture being wrong, but its necessary IMO...
What's needed? Having a course of action to appeal or legally performing torture or immoral acts?
Which is more terrorist like?
I think this is more difference of view points than ideals...I do feel torture is wrong and that being held without charge is wrong but I also think anything and everything should be done to protect our soldiers more so than the first.
You should do a study on torture then. You may find that's it's widely ineffective.