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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2007, 07:58:28 AM »
Blood on Clintons hands vs. Blood on Bush's.... OH brother, you fools really want to stand these two side by side ::)

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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2007, 08:02:01 AM »

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lets not forgit about the recession clinton put us in.. which bush got us out of.. but clinton was so great for our economy ::)
Clinton did not put the US in a recession.  The business cycle pretty much governs the expansion and contraction of our economy.  The man most responsible for that is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Bush did not get us out of the recession.  The real players were the ongoing benefits paid from the computer revolution, an overextended housing boom, and artificially suppressed interest rates by the Fed.

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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2007, 08:06:38 AM »
No, what i'm saying is we don't always have to know the truth.  Not all americans have enough balls to deal with the total truth.
Still, years go by, presidency's go by and shucks, we are still a free democratic nation, the greatest nation in history.  so I never complain much, I truly feel like i live in disneyland, felt that way when clinton was president, when reagan was prez, heck, i loved my country and wouldn't leave it even when jimmy carter was president.

LOL.... I couldn't have asked for a better response from you!!!! PERFECT!!!!

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A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in groupthink and what is viewed as popular or elete group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavoir and opinion.
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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2007, 08:15:02 AM »
LOL.... I couldn't have asked for a better response from you!!!! PERFECT!!!!

Dictionary entry on Sheeple :D

2. sheeple 
 
A individual that forfits their right to choose in favor of inclusion in groupthink and what is viewed as popular or elete group. Allowing the influences of different forms of media and group members to hold great sway in the formation of attitudes, behavoir and opinion.
To accept the group mentaility and opinion as fact without examination.
Not only to be told what to do, but accepting the paradigm of thought as absolute thereby removing the weight of personal responsibility in the making of decisions.
 


 

That sheep nonsense is idiotic.  Democrats are the sheep, they simply disagree with everything Bush says, if he said the sky was blue, democrats would in unison proclaim it to be green.  baaa baaa, its greeeeeen, baaa baaaa.
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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2007, 08:28:01 AM »
That sheep nonsense is idiotic.  Democrats are the sheep, they simply disagree with everything Bush says, if he said the sky was blue, democrats would in unison proclaim it to be green.  baaa baaa, its greeeeeen, baaa baaaa.
Come on, share your true reaction when it dawned on you that you just defined and stamped yourself a true dedicated sheeple :D Tell me it was a classic Homer Simpson style, "D'oh!"

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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2007, 08:34:35 AM »
Come on, share your true reaction when it dawned on you that you just defined and stamped yourself a true dedicated sheeple :D Tell me it was a classic Homer Simpson style, "D'oh!"

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and to me you are a sheep.  whoopie.
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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2007, 12:43:19 AM »
I dont like comparing Presidents' handling of economies b/c there are so many variables that need to be taken into account, including variables that presidents really have no control over. But here it goes:

A common mistake in comparing the economies of the two presidencies is starting at the first year of each of thier terms. Clinton and Bush took over during different points in the corresponding business cycles. Clinton took over when the economy was already 2 years in expansion, Bush took over two months BEFORE the recession officially began. Therefore, to be fair, you have to start measuring Bush's performance at 2003 if you are going to start measuring Clinton's performance at 1993. After doing that, you will find that in most areas Bush actually has better statistics.

So Bush already has the disadvantage of inheriting a recession, while Clinton inherited an expansion. Bush is fighting two wars, had to deal with the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he had to deal with higher oil prices, he had to deal with the fallout of two major corporate scandals. Which reminds me: Sarbanes-Oxley probably hasnt helped a whole lot either. (Unfortunately Bush had to sign that into law or it would probably have been political suicide for him.) And he had to deal with Katrina. He also had to deal with a Republican Congress that had become drunk on power and lost its fiscal virtues.  When you consider all of these obstacles, I think it is safe to say that Bush wins. Although Clinton wasnt too shabby either. Actually, the economy is Bush's crowning achievement. In the 90s, things didnt start to get really good until 1997. Thats when the expansion entered its latter strage, which is when wages always start to go up. Another main cause of this prosperity was a major tax cut on capital gains that Clinton signed into law.

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Clinton did not put the US in a recession.  The business cycle pretty much governs the expansion and contraction of our economy.  The man most responsible for that is the Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

I agree. There really isnt anything Clinton could have done to prevent the bursting of the tech bubble. If anything it was the fault of the Federal Reserve. During the summer of 2000, I beleive they continued raising interest rates even while many prices in the economy were declining. In the future, the Federal Reserve needs to find a way to prevent asset bubbles from developing.

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Bush did not get us out of the recession.  The real players were the ongoing benefits paid from the computer revolution, an overextended housing boom, and artificially suppressed interest rates by the Fed.

Actually I beleive Bush's tax cuts played as big of a role, particularly his tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. His tax cuts on income were probably not huge enough to have a big effect. He decreased the top income bracket to 35% only from 39%. That's still higher than when his dad was president. It should have been decreased to 27%, which is where it was when Reagan was president.
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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2007, 12:51:12 AM »
I dont like comparing Presidents' handling of economies b/c there are so many variables that need to be taken into account, including variables that presidents really have no control over. But here it goes:

A common mistake in comparing the economies of the two presidencies is starting at the first year of each of thier terms. Clinton and Bush took over during different points in the corresponding business cycles. Clinton took over when the economy was already 2 years in expansion, Bush took over two months BEFORE the recession officially began. Therefore, to be fair, you have to start measuring Bush's performance at 2003 if you are going to start measuring Clinton's performance at 1993. After doing that, you will find that in most areas Bush actually has better statistics.

So Bush already has the disadvantage of inheriting a recession, while Clinton inherited an expansion. Bush is fighting two wars, had to deal with the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he had to deal with higher oil prices, he had to deal with the fallout of two major corporate scandals. Which reminds me: Sarbanes-Oxley probably hasnt helped a whole lot either. (Unfortunately Bush had to sign that into law or it would probably have been political suicide for him.) And he had to deal with Katrina. He also had to deal with a Republican Congress that had become drunk on power and lost its fiscal virtues.  When you consider all of these obstacles, I think it is safe to say that Bush wins. Although Clinton wasnt too shabby either. Actually, the economy is Bush's crowning achievement. In the 90s, things didnt start to get really good until 1997. Thats when the expansion entered its latter strage, which is when wages always start to go up. Another main cause of this prosperity was a major tax cut on capital gains that Clinton signed into law.

I agree. There really isnt anything Clinton could have done to prevent the bursting of the tech bubble. If anything it was the fault of the Federal Reserve. During the summer of 2000, I beleive they continued raising interest rates even while many prices in the economy were declining. In the future, the Federal Reserve needs to find a way to prevent asset bubbles from developing.

Actually I beleive Bush's tax cuts played as big of a role, particularly his tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. His tax cuts on income were probably not huge enough to have a big effect. He only decreased the top income bracket to 35% from 39%. That's still higher than when his dad was president. It should have been decreased to 27%, which is where it was when Reagan was president.

Yeah....but Clinton got more ass than Bush. :)

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Re: When Clinton was president
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2007, 04:46:44 AM »
well i love jag but may not respect her, i just wanna sex her.

That's pretty pathetic.  :-\ What's wrong, not enough action over at the senior center?  ;D