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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Religious Debates & Threads => Topic started by: monster triceps on April 09, 2006, 08:07:46 AM
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Allah the Merciful, Compassionate.
Bismillah arahman araheem.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,18756466-23109,00.html
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these seem to be 2 common themes now a days
1)muslim jihad
2) oil
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Muhammad, a rapist, pedophile, warlord, slave trader, assassinator, dictator, nutjob.
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Atleast jesus personally was not as bad as Mohammed ethically speaking.
Mohammed was a "rapist, pedophile, warlord, slave trader, assassinator, dictator, nutjob".
Jesus was a long haired jewish pot smoking hippie who preached compassion and and tolerance.
Too bad the modern Christians don't emulate Jesus and the modern muslims DO emulate mohammed.
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Atleast jesus personally was not as bad as Mohammed ethically speaking.
Mohammed was a "rapist, pedophile, warlord, slave trader, assassinator, dictator, nutjob".
Jesus was a long haired jewish pot smoking hippie who preached compassion and and tolerance.
Too bad the modern Christians don't emulate Jesus and the modern muslims DO emulate mohammed.
Amen to that!
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Atleast jesus personally was not as bad as Mohammed ethically speaking.
Mohammed was a "rapist, pedophile, warlord, slave trader, assassinator, dictator, nutjob".
Jesus was a long haired jewish pot smoking hippie who preached compassion and and tolerance.
Too bad the modern Christians don't emulate Jesus and the modern muslims DO emulate mohammed.
I didn't know Jesus smoked pot! Where did you find that info?
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I didn't know Jesus smoked pot! Where did you find that info?
It's all in the Da Vinci Code . Don't bother reading it mate . It is crap .
Too many errors or does Dan Brown's book THE DA VINCI CODE have it's own hidden code .
Anyways the Tom Hanks movie will be out soon .
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Don't get me wrong. Religion is a disese of the mind. I'm not defending religion by pointing out jesus was a progressive liberal jew. I'm just defending jesus the person. At the time of Jesus the jews would often stone sinners to death going with the law of the O.T. Jesus said that the one who is sinnless among them should be the first to throw the stone. And of course they had all sinned so none could throw the stone. This had of course absolutely nothing to do with the made up "natural sin" nonsense from adam and eve.
As far as marijuana goes. The ancient jews would often use it as a "healing agent" to cure various ailments. As well as a deoderizer and things like that. They would often burn marijuana on a fire while inside of a closed tent and breath all of the smoke from it. Or they would mix marijuana with various foods and consume it that way.
It's extremly likely jesus being an ancient jew would of done these things.
Here's an article concerning marijuana in ancient jewish culture and mentions in the bible.
http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/hemp/potbible.htm
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It's still used as an healing agent in modern medicine.
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It's still used as an healing agent in modern medicine.
That's because IT WORKS!
Marijuana is safe and effective. It has never killed anyone...EVER! Yet our govt outlaws it!
Tobacco kills over 300,000 a YEAR in AMERICA alone yet our govt keeps it legal.
Can you say "Special interests"?
Corrupt politicans,Ignorant politicans...
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Marijuana is actually 20 times more carcinogenic than tobacco. If it were legal you would soon see the deaths it causes. People have died from pot smoking - look at Bob Marley as a case in point.
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Marijuana is safe and effective. It has never killed anyone...EVER! Yet our govt outlaws it!
Now I'm P O S I T I V E you are smokin' crack! :o
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It's all in the Da Vinci Code . Don't bother reading it mate . It is crap .
Too many errors or does Dan Brown's book THE DA VINCI CODE have it's own hidden code .
Anyways the Tom Hanks movie will be out soon .
Thanks CYFTF. And I have no intentions of reading THE DA VINCI LOAD. :)
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They just signed in to law in Rhode Island you can possess up to 2 & 1/2 oz. The list includes cancer, aids, hep c, CRONIC PAIN (the kind we all have from lifting) arthritis and a few others. You can have it, grow it and smoke it, but you can't buy it. Federal Law takes precedence, they say, but how many feds do you think will be scouring the streets of Providence looking for someone limping along smoking a doob? Crazy law, but it's a start I guess. What would Jesus do?
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Marijuana is actually 20 times more carcinogenic than tobacco. If it were legal you would soon see the deaths it causes. People have died from pot smoking - look at Bob Marley as a case in point.
Ok..This is absolutely false.
Marijuana Smoking Does Not Cause Lung Cancer
↑ Fred Gardner, "Marijuana Smoking Does Not Cause Lung Cancer", 2006-07-06. UNIQ12d1f98534272b3a-HTMLCommentStrip5f5f82486f93cee500000004
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v05/n1106/a09.html?275821
A recent study [27] on a much larger population sample (about 1200), however, not only failed to establish a cancer risk, but showed a slight negative correlation between long-term cannabis use and lung cancers, suggesting a possible theraputic effect. This followed an even larger 1997 study [28] examing the records of 64,855 Kaiser patients, and concluding no correlation between cannabis use and cancer. It has been noted, separately, that THC, a dilative agent, may help cleanse the lungs by dilating the bronchia, and could actively reduce the instance of tumors. [29] Yet another study failed to establish a link between cannabis use and oral cancer. [30]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis
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They just signed in to law in Rhode Island you can possess up to 2 & 1/2 oz. The list includes cancer, aids, hep c, CRONIC PAIN (the kind we all have from lifting) arthritis and a few others. You can have it, grow it and smoke it, but you can't buy it. Federal Law takes precedence, they say, but how many feds do you think will be scouring the streets of Providence looking for someone limping along smoking a doob? Crazy law, but it's a start I guess. What would Jesus do?
ZERO studies have shown a link between marijuana and cancer. Many studies show marijuana BENEFITS cancer patients and shows a theraputic effect while smoked.
Aids? Are you saying Aids patients can use marijuana or it causes aids? lol!
What would Jesus do? Assuming he ever existed...He'd smoke it!
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Now I'm P O S I T I V E you are smokin' crack! :o
Why? Because I'm literate in Science and don't buy into Government propaganda?
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Why? Because I'm literate in Science and don't buy into Government propaganda?
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If you were truly literate in science then you would know that numerous studies prove how detrimental marijuana to the brain, lungs, not to mention the negative impact it has on social behavior and learning compacity.
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If you were truly literate in science then you would know that numerous studies prove how detrimental marijuana to the brain, lungs, not to mention the negative impact it has on social behavior and learning compacity.
Because they would be scientists and studies that Johhny does not agree with they would not be credible. ;)
However, Johhny is right about one thing. The government does not have the right to say which drugs people can take vs. those they can not. Why is tobacco and alcohol a legal drug while marijuana is not?
Additionally, hemp is a extremely industrial plant with sooooo many uses. Fuel is, IMO, one of the greatest uses for this plant especially with OPEC having the west by the short and curlies over oil.
http://www.hemp4fuel.com/nontesters/hemp4fuel/
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It would be great if we could find some alternatives to the fuel we use now. Absolutely wonderful.
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It would be great if we could find some alternatives to the fuel we use now. Absolutely wonderful.
The sad thing is that we have alternatives but our government does not have the will (nor is it in their best intere$t$) to make it happen.
Nothing would make me happier than to see America's dependency on oil gone forever. Can you imagine how our foreign policy with the Middle East would change?
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Marijuana is actually 20 times more carcinogenic than tobacco. If it were legal you would soon see the deaths it causes. People have died from pot smoking - look at Bob Marley as a case in point.
So refer killed Bob Marley.
http://www.cannabinoid.com/boards/msg0x265666.shtml
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ZERO studies have shown a link between marijuana and cancer. Many studies show marijuana BENEFITS cancer patients and shows a theraputic effect while smoked.
Aids? Are you saying Aids patients can use marijuana or it causes aids? lol!
What would Jesus do? Assuming he ever existed...He'd smoke it!
These are the people who can legally get a card to smoke it. Not the cause.
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If you were truly literate in science then you would know that numerous studies prove how detrimental marijuana to the brain, lungs, not to mention the negative impact it has on social behavior and learning compacity.
Let's see those studies.
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Those monkeys who claim Marijuana causes cancer...Marijuana is USED ON CANCER PATIENTS to relieve nausia from chemo therapy.
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So you're going to "refute" the fact that chronic marijuana use does not erode the gray matter (hippocamus, not sure if this is the correct spelling or terminology)? Give me a minute, I'm sure I can google up a study real quick. You lose all credibility with me if you even remotely disagree with this.
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Here's an article that sums up my argument of erosion of the gray matter portion of the brain:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2576305&dopt=Abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2576305&dopt=Abstract)
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Here's another article (note where this came from - you should already know this being the genious that you are):
Chronic Cannabis Abuse Raises Nerve Growth Factor Serum Concentrations in Drug-Naive Schizophrenic Patients
Maria C. Jockers-ScherüBl
maria.jockers@medizin.fu-berlin.de
Uta Matthies
Heidi Danker-Hopfe
Undine E. Lang
Richard Mahlberg
Rainer Hellweg
Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Charite-University Medicine Berlin, Campus Benjamin Franklin, Berlin, Germany
Long-term cannabis abuse may increase the risk of schizophrenia. Nerve growth factor (NGF) is a pleiotropic neurotrophic protein that is implicated in development, protection and regeneration of NFG-sensitive neurones. We tested the hypothesis that damage to neuronal cells in schizophrenia is precipitated by the consumption of cannabis and other neurotoxic substances, resulting in raised NGF serum concentrations and a younger age for disease onset. The NGF serum levels of 109 consecutive drug-naive schizophrenic patients were measured and compared with those of healthy controls. The results were correlated with the long-term intake of cannabis and other illegal drugs. Mean (± SD) NGF serum levels of 61 control persons (33.1 ± 31.0 pg/ml) and 76 schizophrenics who did not consume illegal drugs (26.3 ± 19.5 pg/ml) did not differ significantly. Schizophrenic patients with regular cannabis intake (> 0.5 g on average per day for at least 2 years) had significantly raised NGF serum levels of 412.9 ± 288.4 pg/ml (n = 21) compared to controls and schizophrenic patients not consuming cannabis (p < 0.001). In schizophrenic patients who abused not only cannabis, but also additional substances, NGF concentrations were as high as 2336.2 ± 1711.4 pg/ml (n = 12). On average, heavy cannabis consumers suffered their first episode of schizophrenia 3.5 years (n = 21) earlier than schizophrenic patients who abstained from cannabis. These results indicate that cannabis is a possible risk factor for the development of schizophrenia. This might be reflected in the raised NGF-serum concentrations when both schizophrenia and long-term cannabis abuse prevail.
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Here's an article that sums up my argument of erosion of the gray matter portion of the brain:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2576305&dopt=Abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2576305&dopt=Abstract)
Try READING the study before posting it...
Test results did not suggest that chronic THC exposure produced behavioral deficits resembling those seen following hippocampal damage. Habituation rates in an activity monitor were identical for all exposure groups, and there was no passive avoidance retention deficit. Further, while TMT caused pronounced abnormalities in the complex maze, chronic THC exposure at the two highest dose levels significantly improved maze performance, similar to BZ effects on this task.
Exposure to THC(Chemical in marijuana) IMPROVED maze performance!
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Here's another article (note where this came from - you should already know this being the genious that you are):
Chronic Cannabis Abuse Raises Nerve Growth Factor Serum Concentrations in Drug-Naive Schizophrenic Patients
Maria C. Jockers-ScherüBl
maria.jockers@medizin.fu-berlin.de
Uta Matthies
Heidi Danker-Hopfe
Undine E. Lang
Richard Mahlberg
Rainer Hellweg
Department of Psychiatry and Psychotherapy, Charite-University Medicine Berlin, Campus Benjamin Franklin, Berlin, Germany
Long-term cannabis abuse may increase the risk of schizophrenia. Nerve growth factor (NGF) is a pleiotropic neurotrophic protein that is implicated in development, protection and regeneration of NFG-sensitive neurones. We tested the hypothesis that damage to neuronal cells in schizophrenia is precipitated by the consumption of cannabis and other neurotoxic substances, resulting in raised NGF serum concentrations and a younger age for disease onset. The NGF serum levels of 109 consecutive drug-naive schizophrenic patients were measured and compared with those of healthy controls. The results were correlated with the long-term intake of cannabis and other illegal drugs. Mean (± SD) NGF serum levels of 61 control persons (33.1 ± 31.0 pg/ml) and 76 schizophrenics who did not consume illegal drugs (26.3 ± 19.5 pg/ml) did not differ significantly. Schizophrenic patients with regular cannabis intake (> 0.5 g on average per day for at least 2 years) had significantly raised NGF serum levels of 412.9 ± 288.4 pg/ml (n = 21) compared to controls and schizophrenic patients not consuming cannabis (p < 0.001). In schizophrenic patients who abused not only cannabis, but also additional substances, NGF concentrations were as high as 2336.2 ± 1711.4 pg/ml (n = 12). On average, heavy cannabis consumers suffered their first episode of schizophrenia 3.5 years (n = 21) earlier than schizophrenic patients who abstained from cannabis. These results indicate that cannabis is a possible risk factor for the development of schizophrenia. This might be reflected in the raised NGF-serum concentrations when both schizophrenia and long-term cannabis abuse prevail.
This study doesn't set out to prove cannabis causes schizophrenia just that users who will already get schizophrenia suffer a relaps earlier than those who don't use.
The study is flawed in many ways.
For instance Correlation does not indicate causation. Just because they happened to use marijuana prior to having schizophrenia does not indicate marijuana CAUSED it. Another likely explanation is the fact that people with schizophrenia are more likely to use it than those without it.
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Try READING the study before posting it...
Exposure to THC(Chemical in marijuana) IMPROVED maze performance!
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Point taken. I didn't read this whole article. <--- See? That wasn't so hard to admit when you're wrong about a particular article, is it? You should try it sometime. :P lol Seriously though, Johnny, you KNOW that there are tons of studies out there to prove you wrong. I saw you just tried to negate the other article I sent as well. Again, it's just outright prideful/stubborn what you are doing. Carry on, my son.
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This study doesn't set out to prove cannabis causes schizophrenia just that users who will already get schizophrenia suffer a relaps earlier than those who don't use.
The study is flawed in many ways.
For instance Correlation does not indicate causation. Just because they happened to use marijuana prior to having schizophrenia does not indicate marijuana CAUSED it. Another likely explanation is the fact that people with schizophrenia are more likely to use it than those without it.
What about depression, slowed reflexes, lung damage, etc? You're telling me that chronic use of marijuana does not have any negative impact whatsoever on the the brain, nervous system, or lungs? None whatsoever?
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What about depression, slowed reflexes, lung damage, etc? You're telling me that chronic use of marijuana does not have any negative impact whatsoever on the the brain, nervous system, or lungs? None whatsoever?
I bet it reduces the size of the sacs in your lungs, hence reducing your oxygen intake so doing the STEPMILL is much harder! ;D
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What about depression, slowed reflexes, lung damage, etc? You're telling me that chronic use of marijuana does not have any negative impact whatsoever on the the brain, nervous system, or lungs? None whatsoever?
Impacts? Yes!
Negative impacts? No!
Chemicals in marijuana INCREASE braincell growth
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051015/fob7.asp
Marijuana Unlikely to Cause Head, Neck, or Lung Cancer
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/23/1728_57309
Marijuana has also been used to TREAT depression due to the chemicals in it that relieve depression.
The studies are conflicting due to the Bias in society because Marijuana is illegal and has a cultural sigma attatched to it. Many studies that aren't double-blind come to conclusions based on the expectations of the researchers due to current stigma around marijuana. Studies that ARE double blind where neither the patients or researchers know which is placebo and which are real are more reliable and show marijuana is extremly safe.
Marijuana like any drug can be dangerous if extremly abused. Although no one has ever died from marijuana...Side effects such as slow mental response can occur after YEARS of extreme ABUSE. It's alot like many medications where moderate doses can BENEFIT the user where extreme doses can harm the user.
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i'm sensitive to weed...1 hit wonder...1 hit and i'm sleeping for a good 12 to 14 hours...
i once missed my own fucking party because of it..i fell asleep in the car till friends found me in the morning >:(