Mentzer on Nutrition

[Gym Rat]

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[JimmyJam1974]

a calorie is a calorie?

[oldtimer1]

He isn't wrong. It's calories in and calories out. Guys lose weight on low carb diets because they are eating less calories. Also, the lower carbs make you lose water. Ask yourself if you went on a low carb diet but increased your calories by 500 a day would you lose weight?

[beakdoctor]

He isn't wrong. It's calories in and calories out. Guys lose weight on low carb diets because they are eating less calories. Also, the lower carbs make you lose water. Ask yourself if you went on a low carb diet but increased your calories by 500 a day would you lose weight?

I believe you could still change your bodies composition,  even with a surplus. The problem with the calorie is a calorie theory is it doesn't take into account hormonal changes due to diet and insulin sensitivity. A diet full of breads, sugars, starches etc will leave you looking like a mashed potato. You're not going to recupe and grow on a diet without some protein. A 'calorie is a calorie' is not accurate at all. Then there's issues like inflammation and gut health which are affected by what kinds of calories you're consuming.

[IroNat]

If it smells like fish...

[JackTheRipper]

a calorie is a calorie?

I don´t agree because obviously some food sources are not going to make you unhealthy & some are known to do the opposite.
Eat shit you´ll look like it.. skin tone complection, etc
Eat a bad diet & juice... eventually a heart attack

[Rmj11]

His own theories didn't do meth head any good. He ended up fat and sloppy looking.

[JackTheRipper]

His own theories didn't do meth head any good. He ended up fat and sloppy looking.

It doesn´t matter who you like or dislike, all of them took drugs & other things.
By all accounts he had bad problems but he did open peoples eyes to another way of training & he built a great physique 

[Rmj11]

It doesn´t matter who you like or dislike, all of them took drugs & other things.
By all accounts he had bad problems but he did open peoples eyes to another way of training & he built a great physique 

He built his physique using conventional methods, not hit. And yes, his dietary recommendations are ludicrous. It left him fat and sloppy looking.

[Gym Rat]

Mike tried to make simple things like "dieting" sound very technical, just to seem smarter than anyone else...

[TheGrinch]

fuck protein.... am I right?

just eat 3000 calories of carbs and fats baby $$$

[joswift]

You would look great on a diet of only margarine and sugar...

[Pet shop boys]

 

[JackTheRipper]

Mike tried to make simple things like "dieting" sound very technical, just to seem smarter than anyone else...

Fucked myself up last MON (back) over-stretching/over extending on Reverse Hypers.  hmmm...

[Pet shop boys]

Mike Mentzer would have put all these Youtubers bodybuilding influencers in to shame (including Greg Douchete) if he was around today



WooooSHHHHHHHHHH  HEAVYDUTY

[Spike]

why does this shit keep popping back up ??

all these young kids thinking this shit is revelavent to today - its piece mil - you cherry pick though the old school shit and try to make sense out of it


bodybuilding is basic - most dudes nowadays dont want to do the work and damn sure CANNOT and WILL NOT diet with the commercials , Taco Bell around the corner, Wendy's and moms credit card , chick fill a by our work - getbiggrs boyfriends like to eat the ice cream so you have to indulge as well

just get a meal plan and stick to it JUST LIKE YOU DO TRAINING - most guys can't do that for more than 2 weeks so they dig up old bullshit and post irrevalant shit with all the science and nutritional knowledge of today - you'd just rather cop out and figure if you 'FAST' all day you can just goto Taco Bell and blow your asshole out - cause 1500 calories is 1500 right ?? Jesus christ

[funk51]

two guys one guy eats chicken, tuna, eggs, fish, the other guy eats the same amount of calories but all the calories are coming from cakes and cookies who will look better and feel better, drugs excluded ?

[falco]

He isn't wrong. It's calories in and calories out. Guys lose weight on low carb diets because they are eating less calories. Also, the lower carbs make you lose water. Ask yourself if you went on a low carb diet but increased your calories by 500 a day would you lose weight?

And the lower carbs lowers one's insulin levels, hence less fat is acumulated.

[The Scott]

A calorie is a calorie:
A unit of energy, often used to express the nutritional value of foods, equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1 °C, and equal to one thousand small calories; a kilocalorie.

However, the nutritional value of the food eaten is where the real differences between  different foods is the value I think most of us are speaking about.  If you ate 10,000 calories a day of "clean" food and did nothing but lounge about in your toga, you would still get FAT as if you ate 10,000 calories a day of junque food.

So yes.  A calorie is pretty much a calorie but what you do with it along with its nutrional value is what makes the difference.  Like all things there is a balance in eating to be individually determined.  For a healthier life one should eat a balanced diet and avoid junqe foods as much as possible. 

[JackTheRipper]

A calorie is a calorie:
A unit of energy, often used to express the nutritional value of foods, equivalent to the heat energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1 °C, and equal to one thousand small calories; a kilocalorie.

However, the nutritional value of the food eaten is where the real differences between  different foods is the value I think most of us are speaking about.  If you ate 10,000 calories a day of "clean" food and did nothing but lounge about in your toga, you would still get FAT as if you ate 10,000 calories a day of junque food.

So yes.  A calorie is pretty much a calorie but what you do with it along with its nutrional value is what makes the difference.  Like all things there is a balance in eating to be individually determined.  For a healthier life one should eat a balanced diet and avoid junqe foods as much as possible.

I would say it´s more a case of what it does to your body inside not just outside

[nzgs]

He isn't wrong. It's calories in and calories out. Guys lose weight on low carb diets because they are eating less calories. Also, the lower carbs make you lose water. Ask yourself if you went on a low carb diet but increased your calories by 500 a day would you lose weight?

CICO is valid only when hormones are controlled. Since the "CO" part of the equation is tightly linked to an extremely complex system of hormones individuals can never accurately assess this energy balance unless hormones are controlled. Hormones are directly affected by food quality and quantity. There are people gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, due to injecting hormones. This should indicate that hormones have a far more powerful impact on body composition than caloric balance. But endocrinology is extremely poorly understood and one of the youngest anatomical sciences so this is to be expected.

Dr Ben Bikman did a very good lecture on CICO on youtube but I can't seem to find it. But essentially the Layne Norton type of fixation on a reductionist idea of counting calories being all that matters is stupid.

[JackTheRipper]

why does this shit keep popping back up ??

all these young kids thinking this shit is revelavent to today - its piece mil - you cherry pick though the old school shit and try to make sense out of it


bodybuilding is basic - most dudes nowadays dont want to do the work and damn sure CANNOT and WILL NOT diet with the commercials , Taco Bell around the corner, Wendy's and moms credit card , chick fill a by our work - getbiggrs boyfriends like to eat the ice cream so you have to indulge as well

just get a meal plan and stick to it JUST LIKE YOU DO TRAINING - most guys can't do that for more than 2 weeks so they dig up old bullshit and post irrevalant shit with all the science and nutritional knowledge of today - you'd just rather cop out and figure if you 'FAST' all day you can just goto Taco Bell and blow your asshole out - cause 1500 calories is 1500 right ?? Jesus christ

Diet , weight training is basic & people over complicate it all

[wes]

I believe you could still change your bodies composition,  even with a surplus. The problem with the calorie is a calorie theory is it doesn't take into account hormonal changes due to diet and insulin sensitivity. A diet full of breads, sugars, starches etc will leave you looking like a mashed potato. You're not going to recupe and grow on a diet without some protein. A 'calorie is a calorie' is not accurate at all. Then there's issues like inflammation and gut health which are affected by what kinds of calories you're consuming.

^^^^ THIS

two guys one guy eats chicken, tuna, eggs, fish, the other guy eats the same amount of calories but all the calories are coming from cakes and cookies who will look better and feel better, drugs excluded ?

BINGO

[beakdoctor]

Mentzer on meth. Consume all the amphetamines you want. You'll be ripped to shreds. You can eat whatever you want, you'll just never want to eat.

[pamith]

Mike said he would burn fat even though he was eating carrot cake