he's turning into a freak show, give it about 50 years and we'll know the truth
Wow so he's a secret agent Kenyan who never attended university, was born in Kenya to muslim parents, is a racist radical who hates America and is just wanting to hook up with his other 'NWO' buddies so they can all destroy and dominate the world via a socialist regime. Okay i think i got it. Oh wait i forgot Al Gore and the green NWO are also involved. Silly me. Where does 9/11, rothschild, kennedy assassination, illuminati and reptillian blood suckers all fit into this 333?
Can he release this on his own?
Not sure if he can release the original BC without Obama's consent.
So again - WTF is problem releasing the long form BC?
I think he is hiding something. Why pay lawyers hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep this hidden?
His BC probably lists his and/or his parent's religion as "Muslim."
I've always thought his "concern" is more likely to be something specific on his US birth certificate rather than the lack of one altogether.
They cite privacy issues. I think Obama should release it, but this is really not a good fight IMO.
It looks fishy and it most likly is.
Its not only the BC, its his SAT, LSAT, college records, an everything else. Were it the BC alone, tats one thing, but in combo with everything else he is hiding, it just looks fishy.
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?
His BC probably lists his and/or his parent's religion as "Muslim."
if that is the case, he ought to release it now. he already is the president and it's widely held he's a muslim anyway
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?
Can he release this on his own?
Isn't there a place where birth religion would be listed?
With a muslim dad, his probably says muslim.
And there are people out there who will scream about it. hannity will run coountless pieces on it. Palin will murmur "to ME, there's nothing wrong with his birth religion, but to many people..."
Face it, from a PR standpoint, it would hurt him. So he'll never release it. Incredibly... people who complained about the CHRISTIAN church where he spent 20 years, will somehow claim that doesn't cancel out what his dad put on a birth cert. SIlly.
She is one of the top voices of the republican party, and a frontrunner for 2012.
And her "tweets" on the birth certificate would be something we'd expect, no?
Frontrunner 2012 - hahahahahahaha...not a chance in hell.
Polls have her in the top 3 usually. Often right behind Mitt, and ahead of Huck.
And she can raise a shitload more $ than any of them.
And she has a lock on the tea party/far right religious voters.
I disagree. The only people who have any right to see that are those in personnel who need to make verifications. Otherwise, it's nobody's business.
Palin? You actually managed to work Palin into this thread?
Who cares he could be from Mars for all i care its his politics that matters
The village idiot speaks ::)
who cares if its a long or short form of a BC..just provide it for heavens sake
SO i guess you care more from where he is from than his politics?
SO i guess you care more from where he is from than his politics?
Its a direct requirement in the US Const.
What don't you understand? Is it that hard for you to comprehend that it is a CONSTITUTIONAL requirement that you be a natural born citizen to become the POTUS? It would be ILLEGAL for Obama to hold the office if he is not, therefore any legislation he signed would be ILLEGAL. But why let little things like that get in the way ::)
So you want to remove him from office then?
So you want to remove him from office then?
If it can be proven that he is not a natural born citizen of the US then your damn right I want him removed
If it can be proven that he is not a natural born citizen of the US then your damn right I want him removed
Because the COLB is likely total bullshit as we said and a long form BC may not exist since he possibly was born in Kenya like the grandmother said.
1) I agree with the birthers lol...
2) However, to argue with you, as we do here...
You trust the word of an elderly foreigner (with potentially an ax to grind) over the word of a sane and stable governor of one of the United States?
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No, I am going based upon the totality of the available facts and circumstances.
Congress will probably pass a bill retroactively allowing foreigners to run for president. :'(
that wouldn't surprise me in the least
Look at the brightside...We can have Arnold Schwarzenegger run in 2012.. :-\
What an assclown....perhaps he should have looked into this before saying he would provide it.....hahaha
He is helping he Birthers!
333386,
Are u a birther?.
Right now - Yes. The only reservation I have is the newspaper announcement.
have people come fwd with an actual hard copy of the paper? or is it just some microfiche? Or something really cool made with publisher?
OR did Barry Oreto just steal this barrack guy's name?
What's the deal? I'm trying to talk my parents into voting bachmann, but I need something solid here :)
Micofiche only so far.
LOL!
Even Fox news is in on it, hugo!
all the states, all the dems AND republicans.
Luckily, there was one brave getbigger named 333386 who was able to overcome so many questions, and take the word of an aging kenyan grandmother, over that of our entire US govt.
LOL!this shit just amazes me... I would like 3333 to answer my last question: when was the last time a presidential candidate was required to show more than the fact that he was born here? That's all that's required by the constitution, then by fucking all gods it's good enough for me...
Even Fox news is in on it, hugo!
all the states, all the dems AND republicans.
Luckily, there was one brave getbigger named 333386 who was able to overcome so many questions, and take the word of an aging kenyan grandmother, over that of our entire US govt.
Yes it does matter. Its a requirement directly in the US Const.
DUDE!!!!..Don't u think the FBI and all these other agencies who investigate and vet EVERYONE who runs for president haven' t checked into Obama's background????..or are they in on the conspiracy as well????
YOU ARE CERTIFIABLY NUTS!!!!!
worse than the moon landing hoax believers.... 3333, BWHAHAHAHahahahahahahaha ha
Why? Can you tell me where the Long form BC is like everyone else in that state has?
And why has he spent over $1 million dollars keeping his records silent?
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what difference does it really make to u???...if they found it you would just say it was fake or forged anyway...your mind just cannot accept that a black man is president, but you can't say that outright so you try to delegitimize him another way under the guise of being a patriot standing up for the constitution....
Why? Can you tell me where the Long form BC is like everyone else in that state has?
And why has he spent over $1 million dollars keeping his records silent?
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what difference does it really make to u???...if they found it you would just say it was fake or forged anyway...your mind just cannot accept that a black man is president, but you can't say that outright so you try to delegitimize him another way under the guise of being a patriot standing up for the constitution....
Ha haha - - I would prefer Mike Tomlin, Willie Randolph, George Jefferson, Fred Sanford, or even Beetlejuice as POTUS over Bama any day.
HUGO - CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS?333, I fucking asked you first and didn't get an answer from you... Why the fuck should I answer your questions when you ignore mine? Fucking courtesy dude... Don't go demanding questions be answered when you are unwilling to answer yourself. Back up a few posts and answer mine and I will answer yours.
333, I fucking asked you first and didn't get an answer from you... Why the fuck should I answer your questions when you ignore mine? Fucking courtesy dude... Don't go demanding questions be answered when you are unwilling to answer yourself. Back up a few posts and answer mine and I will answer yours.
bullshit, that doesn't remotely answer my questions. Please answer these questions and I will address yours:
I said I'm a 51% birther - not a 99% birther. The article in the paper is my only hestitation on the CT, otherwise, there are some crazythings surrounding this issue which you really should not just dismiss.
1st... 333, how the fuck do you get past the fact that his birth in Hawaii was announced in a Hawaiian newspaper for that time that anybody can do down and look up at the library?
2nd... His birth certificate is confirmed valid by a Governor of the state...
3rd... WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE HAS BEEN REQUIRED TO SHOW MORE THAN THE FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING GODDAMNED FUCKING FACT THAT HE WAS FUCKING BORN IN AMERICA?
END THIS TOPIC JACKASSES.
bullshit, that doesn't remotely answer my questions. Please answer these questions and I will address yours:
1. I agree that the article in the paper tends to undermine the CT.Ok, I have to stop at number 2 until we get this settled... So you're telling me, when the last governor, a republican, certified that the birth cirt was real, she was full of shit?
2. BULLSHIT. They certified a COLB with is complete nonsense. They did not certify the Long Form BC. posted what real BC looks like from someone born the same day as Barry. Where is his like this?
3. Because we have never had a person elected under such dubious circumstances.
BTW I personally think Obama was hatched anyway.
Ok, I have to stop at number 2 until we get this settled... So you're telling me, when the last governor, a republican, certified that the birth cirt was real, she was full of shit?
All she certified was the COLB and what it says.Here's your problem buddy... In Hawaii, in 1961, this is the way it went down. The hospital took their new birth certs to vital records. At the end of the week vital records provided that info to the newspaper. That is how he ended up in the newspaper. THE HOSPITAL PROVIDED INFO THAT HE WAS BORN THERE TO VITAL RECORDS WHO THEN PASSED IT ON TO THE NEWSPAPER AT THE END OF THE WEEK...
Basically she certified that the State of Hawaii says that the COLB states that Obama was born in Hawaii. But look at that COLB - it says nothing at all. Look at the long form BC I posted from the lady born the same day and compare to the COLB.
I read that tthe grand parents were the ones who put it in the newspaper.cockgobblins... The only thing they could have done is request that it not be put in the paper and that might have been harder to do back then than it is now. If they didn't say anything about it, it would have been put in the paper. The only effect mother or father or anybody related could have had is to prevent it from being in the paper. They were all announced at that time.
cockgobblins... The only thing they could have done is request that it not be put in the paper and that might have been harder to do back then than it is now. If they didn't say anything about it, it would have been put in the paper. The only effect mother or father or anybody related could have had is to prevent it from being in the paper. They were all announced at that time.
What about the relatives, Kenyan officials, etc who all say they witnessed Obama's kenyan birth?I think I'm going to take the facts we have over hopeful relatives that could and probably are embellishing the story. From their perspective, they probably do want to claim him as being born there. For them it's probably huge. It's also probably embellishment. Embellishment that some people in America are fully willing to latch onto for political purposes...
I think I'm going to take the facts we have over hopeful relatives that could and probably are embellishing the story. From their perspective, they probably do want to claim him as being born there. For them it's probably huge. It's also probably embellishment. Embellishment that some people in America are fully willing to latch onto for political purposes...
I was willing to dick around with the fact that McCain was born in Panama but I wouldn't have kept that up after he was elected. In the end, both Obama and McCain were raised from youth in America. I got no personal bitch past that. Obama's mom was American. I'm way way cool with that. Now if we were talking about both parents being from another country, it might be an issue for me... But as I see the facts now, this birther crap is a fucking stupid endeavour.
well, at least you finally admit it... forever you tried to play it like you were not a birther and at the same time post shit about it. I fucking hate deception and hypocrisy. At least we know where you stand now. No more denying you're a birther lol...
Birthers of a nation unite!
well, at least you finally admit it... forever you tried to play it like you were not a birther and at the same time post shit about it. I fucking hate deception and hypocrisy. At least we know where you stand now. No more denying you're a birther lol...
yes, his claim I'm 51% birther" reeks of a lack of balls. he posts dozens of birther articles each week and claims he doesn't subscribe to that belief. Doesn't work like that.
glad to see he admits it.
me, i think it shuld be investigated - just like 9/11 and a few other things that people only want to look at if it matches their party preferense.
Birthers of a nation unite!
4. He is also hiding a lot of other shit.Good gods I fucking hope so.... We probably all have a few fuckups to hide. Last thing I want in office is some clown that led a perfect life with no experience or hardship. Maybe he has some shit to hide. good... I'll take that over the pampered bitch raised for office.
Good gods I fucking hope so.... We probably all have a few fuckups to hide. Last thing I want in office is some clown that led a perfect life with no experience or hardship. Maybe he has some shit to hide. good... I'll take that over the pampered bitch raised for office.
That being said, I still give his ass an F grade at this point.....
you were sounding rational until you gave O an F gradeOk, I give him a "I wanna punch him in the face for being an idiot" grade Is that better? That's a step higher than, "I wanna stomp on Bush's head" lol....
1. I think someone spending a 1 Million to cover up what can be released for $5 smells of shady shit.
2. Hospital has no records of his birth.
3. Kenyn releatives say he was african born. MO even said so.
4. He is also hiding a lot of other shit.
Yet you don't want a 911 investigation - where 3000 folks died."D'OH!!!"--3333
1. Bush gave them less than 14 mil to investigate the biggest crime in history. but he gave them 60 mil to investigate steroids in baseball.
2. OBL isn't even wanted for 911. One of the planes had no freakin' manifest!
3. People in other countries say it was an inside job.
4. Bush hid a lot of other shit.
Wow... applying the frail logic you applied... to 911... I guess you want to investigate that now too, huh? ;)
O-CON DOCS: Hawaii Ballot Chief not Grandma, Called Obama To Hawaii In 2008
The Daily Pen ^ | 1/17/11 | by Pen Johannson
New analysis of Democrat Party's official 2008 Certification of Nominations for Obama reveals that reasons for his sudden trip to Hawaii in October, 2008 were to visit more than just his sick grandmother. Hawaiian election laws, media accounts and post-dated documents reveal he may have attended a private hearing with the Hawaiian Chief Elections Officer regarding his disqualification from the Hawaiian ballot due to lack of certified Constitutional eligibility.
(Excerpt) Read more at thedailypen.blogspot.com ...
Governor Abercrombie really made a fool of himself. I was actually in favor of him putting an end to this stuff. All he did was throw fuel on the fire for some CT.
LOL at you not being a birther.
you're a total birther dude.
Governor Abercrombie really made a fool of himself. I was actually in favor of him putting an end to this stuff. All he did was throw fuel on the fire for some CT.
So instead of admitting that there is some relevance to the birthers claims you get angry at the guy who was going to put an end to it all?
Hahahaha, I never realized someone could be so damn retarded.
BB - if it turns out that there is no BC, and that the COLB was created solely for the purpose of the 2008 election - you don't think that is serious?
Yeah but it makes great discussion. Its like Clue.
No. Unless he was born in Kenya. I think he was born in Hawaii. At this point, I think the only thing he's probably trying to hide is something on his BC like a Muslim religious affiliation.
This birther stuff is nothing but rabbit trails. I doubt we see any legitimate Republican presidential candidate raising this issue, because it would marginalize their candidacy. This is a loser IMO.
Cant be that, as there is no space on the Birth Certificate asking (stating) for the child's religious affiliation, and or the parents religious affiliation.
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?
Obama has 16 different SS Numbers attributed to him. Look it up. He has led a life of crime and deception from Day 1.
In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?
the SS numbers are more disturbing than anything BC related, to be honest.
OK how does he manage have 16 differnet SS#'s, no birth certificate that anyone has seen, and not only get through everyday life in the US but be elected to several different offices without anyone blinking an eye. I don't buy into the whole CT thing, but something isn't right here.
In order to have been registered for school, wouldn't he have needed his birth cert, and SSN?
hahahahahahahaa the birthers are back man give it a break :D :D :D :D
i think he's from mars, i bet if rush or beck said so half these nuts would start repeating it ;D
i don't think i have a long form bc maybe i'm from kenya ;D
How can there be no birth certificate? Seriously, I have needed my birth certificate on more than a few occasions.
for what?
when you reach a certain age ( have a job, have a DI, have a passport, SSN ) I've never had to produce a BC since.
funny but true :D :D :D :D :D :D
so what your saying is that when he was running for pres the repubs with all their money and the smartest people on the right could not prove this wrong but all the nutjobs after the election have proof. do you realise how fu#king dumb that sounds. if he is not a american they would have proofed it before the election period ;D but the guys on getbig have the facts :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
To be clear.........
The most anti-Obama voices on getbig aren't talking about the spending cuts. They're not talking about the stalled wars. They're not talking about fudged UE numbers. They're not talking about the plummeting dollar.
Maybe Karl Rove was right! This DOES benefit obama that everyone is arguing CT stuff while he does the realllly bad stuff right out in the open, and nobody talks about it!
To be clear.........
The most anti-Obama voices on getbig aren't talking about the spending cuts. They're not talking about the stalled wars. They're not talking about fudged UE numbers. They're not talking about the plummeting dollar.
Maybe Karl Rove was right! This DOES benefit obama that everyone is arguing CT stuff while he does the realllly bad stuff right out in the open, and nobody talks about it!
Look down the board, there is maybe one birther thread. And this irony in this is pretty ripe coming from you, the guy who has a stalkerish obsession with Palin. Creepy stalkerish obsession, that is.
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The funny thing is all the political savants like you and blacken would rather spend your time talking about Palin and linking youtube clips from comedy shows. :-X
are you a birther
i don't even know where mine is ;D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
funny but true :D :D :D :D :D :D
all you post is shit by right wing hacks and call it truth,your post are getting to be a joke.lets start using some credible news sources for a change. you would think you would know this your suppose to be a lawyer ???
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Even 240 agrees that the SS story obama is pushing is pure lies.
he also believes 9-11 was an inside job
thats right your a birther :D that explans what's going on
he also believes 9-11 was an inside job
911 isn't fully explained by the 911 commission report, if that's what you mean. The majority of americans agree, polls show. So it's really the marginal, minority CT to believe the official story ;)
The birth cert issue is a valid one, no doubt about it.
This is why I like Trump. No one else can get away with this.
http://nation.foxnews.com/donald-trump/2011/03/17/trump-says-he-has-doubts-about-obamas-birthplace
Who said he got away with it? MSNBC's new description of Trump is "Birther Donald Trump, now on board with orally tate, seen here screaming at the top of her lungs at a tree..."
Have you seen trump's interview? me, me, I I I. I'm super rich, I'm super smart... sorry, people aren't going to respond to that.
240 - come on - even you had to laugh at the birther comment by Trump.
the egomaniac comment is funny coming from someone who has his head so far up barracks ass you can taste his lunch
you've never asked me.i think he is a complete moron...
obama is a total egomaniac. he's so full of himself it's unbelievable. Acts like kanye west.
what's your take on trump, tony? egomaniac?
its all an act if you ask me, trump has created a persona and he is playing to it if you ask me.
He obviously has a shady past or all this would be public. Either he used a false SSN to get out of any military obligation or he doesn't have a valid SSN.
From what i have gathered, its a SS number reserved for CT residents and was used to get him a phoney passport in order to travel to Indonensia. Once there, they listed him as "Barry Soetoro" to sign him up for school as an indonesian resident.
I believe he also used this fake SS number to travel to Pakistan in the 80's for some bizarre reason still not explained.
i think he is a complete moron...
its all an act if you ask me, trump has created a persona and he is playing to it if you ask me.
And when they lose Obama has an edge in 2012?
Only if the Republican nominee tries to make this an issue.
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital of birth?
Where is the LEGAL requirement that he proves he has it?
The State of Hawaii has PROVEN he was born there by producing a COLB. Are you saying Hawaii state officials are lying?
Do you even read? The colb is a fraud and I proved that already.
I can provide quotes if need be. Can you PROVE they are lying? Can you PROVE the state of Hawaii is lying?
Go ahead - at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise. The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else. Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.So basically you are saying he wasnt born in the US and you can prove it with out a shadow of a doubt?
Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real. In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.
Go ahead - at the end of the conversation even you will be a birther - i promise. The best you wll bwe able to come up with is that they say the cold comports with what they have "written down" and that is not even a long form bc or anything else. Gov. ambercromie spficially set out to discredit the birthers and gave up saying he could not find a long form BC for obama.
Additionally, the COLB offers completely bullshit informaton that was not around i 1961 proving it is not real. In 1961 there was no such thing as "african" as being listed as the race of the father or mother.
So basically you are saying he wasnt born in the US and you can prove it with out a shadow of a doubt?
So you are saying that Hawaii, the state, is lying when it says Obama was born in Hawaii? Because by issuing a COLB that is EXACTLY what they are saying. They can not change or put anything on there that is not already in the Hawaii records.
If they did that would be fraud and easily found out but a search by ANY hawaiian state health official. To date how many have come forward and said the COLB is a fraud? How many Hawaiian officials have declared the records on file in Hawaii used to produce a certified COLB are false?
33,
how many people are involved in this cover-up?
his political opponents knew about it in 2008 and never 'went there'.
The CIA and FBI know, and never revealed it.
The media is playing along too - all the TV and print media.
And entire state govt in hawaii is maintaining the lie too.
So how many people do you think are 'in on it'?
33,
how many people are involved in this cover-up?
his political opponents knew about it in 2008 and never 'went there'.
The CIA and FBI know, and never revealed it.
The media is playing along too - all the TV and print media.
And entire state govt in hawaii is maintaining the lie too.
So how many people do you think are 'in on it'?
So the Head of the State of Hawaii's health department is lying? A clerk without any proof other than 'someone told me' is now more believable than the head of the State of Hawaii's heath department?
No, - GARBAGE IN = GARBAGE OUT
They say they have "notes" showing obama was born there that were written down. no records, no long form BC, no hospital records, the SS is a fake, the mother was seen in Seattle days after the alleged birth, the father was not around, ambercromibe said he cant find a long form BC, the ex worker said supervisors told him no long form BC exists, the colb contains bogus info not available in 1961, etc.
Yes! He is not saying there is a long form BC. where is it?
Lies. The Head of the State of Hawaii health said this - I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures"
Dr Chiyome Fukino
Is he lying? Is the State of Hawaii committing fraud by issuing an official document saying Obama was born there? Answer yes or no. is Hawaii lying?
Hahahahahaha i'm quoting this for posterity. ;D
Hawaii is lying hahahaha a clerk told me so! ;D
You are now enshrined in stupidity forever on getbig.
Congrats 333!
If he is referring to the same COLB posted online, then he may not be lying, but do you accept that document as proof? It looks phony from the word go.
WHERE IS THE LONG FORM BC AD WHY HAS NOT OBAMA AUTHORIZED ITS RELEASE?
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If he is referring to the same COLB posted online, then he may not be lying, but do you accept that document as proof? It looks phony from the word go.
Posted online? The pictures were sure, but the certificate of live birth is a real document, produced by the state of Hawaii. 333 claims it's a fake, thereby saying the State of Hawaii and it's records department have committed fraud.
he doesn't have to. He has a LEGAL document proving his birth COLB is a Legal document produced by the state of Hawaii. Suck it b*tch you're a fool! and everyone knows it!
millions of people are in on the cover up. the entire state of hawaii. it's so crazy. fox news is in on it too - they see all this info and it should be the top story every night - an illigitimate president?
LOL.... 33, why do you think all these people are doing it? Why would Bill O Reilly want to help illegal alien Obama stay in power? Why does Glen beck want to see Obama stay in his job?
Posted online? The pictures were sure, but the certificate of live birth is a real document, produced by the state of Hawaii. 333 claims it's a fake, thereby saying the State of Hawaii and it's records department have committed fraud.
For $10 this all goes away. Yet obama spend over a m illion to keep his records quashed and you morons and obama dildos accept anything ad everything from the messiah. Pathetic,
Look at that 240.
http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/attention-bill-oreilly-the-rest-of-the-story.pdf
Because if he is subject to blackmail from gadaffi or King Abdoullah for sht like this we deserve to know. The House of Saud paid for his education to begin to with, so this is bad enough.
the fbi and cia surely have files on him.
they're all "in on this grand conspiracy" too?
you can't just say "the BC is bogus" without telling us why all the agencies that keep records on you for your GB posts and rifle purchases aren't keeping one on him?
240 - yes or no - do you know who Khalid Al Mansour & Percy Sutton are?OBAMAS DAD?
OBAMAS DAD?
Yes! He is not saying there is a long form BC. where is it?
Again - I posted a real long form BC from someone born in 1961 that looks nothing like the nonsense they came up with in 2007. Where in the long form BC signed by a doctor and shows the hospital of birth?
CT thread. Move mods. ;D
Not even a good CT either. It's a horrible CT. Not even remotely believable.
Again - Post the legal requirement Obama has to produce it? The COLB is, according to the State of Hawaii, an official document.
Even if he did produce it, which he doesn't have to, but if he did you'd claim it was a 'fake' and the State of Hawaii was yet again lying.
Poorly done CT.
Why is that? Have you seen the records he has refused to release? Ambercrombie cant find the BC, the guy who worked there says the supervisors told him no BC exists? The COLB bama presented is bogus.
Yeah, because the POTUS needs to take the 5th. nice what we expect from our leaders now. ::) ::)
This is ridiculous... How many times to BCs get lost and reprinted... about a million.
If someone has a BC reprinted today, you get the one like Hawaii provided.
This is the dumbest thing ever.
This is ridiculous... How many times to BCs get lost and reprinted... about a million.
If someone has a BC reprinted today, you get the one like Hawaii provided.
This is the dumbest thing ever.
No! He is certifing the COLB which is not nonsense and not backed by a long form BC. Show me one document signed by any official in HA as to who delivered and obama and where and when like every one baby born? Even one document will do.
And why wont obama release it if it exists? What is he hiding that he wont give ambercromibie permission?
EXACTLY!
Apparently though Hawaiian State officials are lying. According to 333 that is.
Ask him, he'll tell you they are lying because a former Clerk told WND so. HAHAHA!
No! He is certifing the COLB which is not nonsense and not backed by a long form BC. Show me one document signed by any official in HA as to who delivered and obama and where and when like every one baby born? Even one document will do.
And why wont obama release it if it exists? What is he hiding that he wont give ambercromibie permission?
He doesn't need to take the 5th. He has produced a LEGAL document certifying his birth in the United States of America. A document certified LEGAL by the HEALTH AUTHORITIES of Hawaii.
So the COLB is made up? Weird. I guess the illegals should all go to Hawaii 'cause they are handing out official documents to anyone!!!
They certified the colb which was created in 2007. What is that based on?
I don't have to produce anything. The STATE OF HAWAII already did. It's called a Certificate of Live Birth.
UH perhaps he's hiding his right to privacy. Just because you are a public figure doesn't mean everything you've ever done should be public information.
Not exactly true. Obama wouldn't be able to even get a passport with his COLB. It's essentially worthless in terms of legality.
When you are POTUS - you dont get that liberty.
And he has a passport does he not? End of CT ;D
Thanks for ending it buddy!
And he has a passport does he not? End of CT ;D
Thanks for ending it buddy!
Says who? You? Eat sh*t fu*k face. EVERYONE has that right to privacy on certain issues. This is one of them.
I don't know if he does? Either do you.
Meltdown. You clearly have no clue on this issue whatsoever.
So he traveled to Kenya on what? a birth certificate? Hahaha
We don't know - most likely a foreign passport from indonesia.
We don't know - most likely a foreign passport from indonesia.
"Most likely"
Where the hell are you pulling this stuff from? Gotta be your ass man.
"Most likely"lmao
Where the hell are you pulling this stuff from? Gotta be your ass man.
All we know is that he has a COLB birth that looks like this and a penchant for using fake ss numbers. All other records are just speculation.
" 42 percent of New Hampshire GOPers don't believe Obama was born in America. :"
That is frickin awesome!
Other than a bogus certification of a fake document, there is ZERO proof obama was born here.
why won't the repub congress open an investigation? Issa has that power now!
Unless..... wait.....
They're all in on it too! Gasp!!!!!!!!
This conspiracy goes all the way to the top, man!
No, they dont want to go near it for fear of where it might lead. Lets say the truth gets out and it is found that obama was kenyan born, do you realize what that will result in?
you'd think they would be all over it if it is as plain and simple, cut and dry as 33333 makes it out to be................
but oh well, it is what it is........ :)
These are very simple questions you cant answer. Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor showing where he was born?
So then the GOP is in the scam too?
No, they are just pussies too afraid to attack his past and record for fear of what they will unearth. Its not a CT at all. They are just ignoring the issue.
Wow, so they are traders too? They know the truth but will not pursue it? So in essence they are on Obama's side?
On this issue? Yes. Definately. its fucking simple - pay the damn $10 an release your records, all of them.
No, they dont want to go near it for fear of where it might lead. Lets say the truth gets out and it is found that obama was kenyan born, do you realize what that will result in?
Then why do you keep bringing up the $10 thing?
Not an Abercrombie fan, but he's doing the right thing.
BUMP - BB - can you merge this with the Birther Thread?
Can you merge this thread with the Birther Thread?
Going to be one long thread. :)
The thing that I still can not get over is that for $10 this entire thing could be put to rest one way or the other.
$10 and this all goes away.
Racist post reported. He didn't land on Plymouth Rock. Plymouth Rock landed on him.
The thing that I still can not get over is that for $10 this entire thing could be put to rest one way or the other.
Actually Obama does not have traditional slave blood. If anything, his ancestors probably sold slaves to the dutch more than anything.
no it wouldn't...you still wouldn't believe it.. >:(
sighhhhhh..the slander never ends with you huh???
Its the truth. mobacca has slave blood but barry have mostly slave trader blood.
Its the truth. mobacca has slave blood but barry have mostly slave trader blood.
and you are a petty low slimy piece of dogshit...its the truth
The truth hurts - doesnt it - 95% er.
Where is the long form BC signed by a doc naming the hospital?
Until you can produce that - STFU and go with your 95%er Hope & Change nonsense your stupid ass fell for like a dope last time and eat shit.
no i didnt.. i just didnt want to vote for Palin.. glad i didnt... she would have quit..
no i didnt.. i just didnt want to vote for Palin.. glad i didnt... she would have quit..
You think Palin would have quit as VP or are you just saying that sarcastically?
shittin me right?.. well i didnt know at the time she would have quit because she hadnt quit as gov yet. But she quit because she had a lot of pressure on her.. well as leader of the free world.. dont you think thats a bit more pressure? She would have quit as Mayor of a major city..
So mcCain would have died?
shittin me right?.. well i didnt know at the time she would have quit because she hadnt quit as gov yet. But she quit because she had a lot of pressure on her.. well as leader of the free world.. dont you think thats a bit more pressure? She would have quit as Mayor of a major city..
The truth hurts - doesnt it - 95% er.
there's never ANY truth in ANYTHING you say..thats the problem
Obama's lineage is not tradtional african american. its arab and white. You dopes who latched on to the fact that he has a shade of skin darker than than ofmccain are mostly gullible dupes for buying into the tailor made fraud that is obama.
MY GOD..NOW you're saying that Obama is part Arab....Now I am starting to really believe that you are a gimmick created to just stir people up....NO ONE COULD BE THAT DUMB...ITS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE!!!!! :o
Obama's lineage is not tradtional african american. its arab and white.
mccain told the cameras at a rally that obama was NOT an arab.
So Mccain was in on keeping this secret too? ???
This thread is unreal.LOL.... IM LOVIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
33333, you are unraveling yourself.
So now, Obama is a Kenyan born of Arab decent? And the Hawaiian state government is covering for him along with so many others?
I'm sure McCain researched this.
LOL.... IM LOVIN THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue. Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue. Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.
This thread is a great example of why prominent republicans are staying away from this issue. Until definitive evidence is brought to the surface there's nothing here but speculative arguments that can potentially ruin a politician.
You can approach it like Trump has. He's not saying Obama is definitely not a US citizen, just that it seems strange that he won't release his birth certificate. A lot of people agree with him, it is strange.
Trump is not a politician. He's a bored business mogul who likes to dabble in TV and now his new thing is politics.
Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King. Fucking brilliant. ::) ::)
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BTW - how does one get into Harvard law when they did not even get honors in college tobegin with?
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http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/
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More diversion.
Where is the long form BC signed by a doctor naming the hospital?
Yeah, lets applaud a potus who hides his record and which would not allow him to get hired at so much as security at Burger King. Fucking brilliant. ::) ::):
Ozmo - again for the 50th time - where is the long form BC signed by a state official naming the hospital of birth and doctor who delivered him?
If you cant answer that - S T F U on this as you are clueless.
ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS!
Like what?
does every single US citizen have this long form? ::)
What you are asking is a stupid fucking question, because i don't have access to those records.
The Hawaiian government does.
You should be asking them, (them who are obviously part of your CT), not me.
Yeah classic 33333 technique on the boards:
- Don't directly respond to the post, instead deflect towards another issue or argument that has little to do with the post he was responding too.
- Cut and paste some article.
People who were allegedly born the same day as him do.
every person born on the same day and year as Obama has a long form?
Prove it.
every person born on the same day and year as Obama has a long form?
Prove it.
In Hawaii - FOR FUCKS SAKE I POSTED THE LONG FORM BC OF PEOPLE BORN THE SAME FUCKING DAY AS HE CLAIMS TO HAVE!
Of course that is not enough for you. Fucking joke.
More diversion? pot, kettle.
and then you do your typical shit:
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY POST ABOUT TRUMP?
Additionally:
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WHERE THE FUCK DO I APPLAUD OBAMA IN MY POST????????????
Here's the thing. Apparently the State of Hawaii is committing fraud anyway because the COLB is created using the records they have detailing the birth of Obama. Those, according to 333, are fake. So why would a LFBC from the same STATE be legit? If one is fake, the other must be fake too. Right 333? Yes or no?
He won't answer this.
Yeah classic 33333 technique on the boards:
- Don't directly respond to the post, instead deflect towards another issue or argument that has little to do with the post he was responding too.
- Cut and paste some article.
Yeah ok Ozmo - whatever. I only posted the long form BC of the people born on the same day as Obama with the signed doc report naming the hospital etc, that are in almost next to exact sequence as his claimed number - yet he does not have a long form BC. ::) ::)
Hawaii claims they never lost any records, so where the fuck is it and why wont barry release it?
yeah, just doing my 3333 imitation
Where's the long form, why can't he spend $10?
http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory (http://mises.org/daily/5189/Rebecca-Blacks-Friday-A-Libertarian-Allegory)
The astonishing popularity of Rebecca Black's "Friday" video — which became the YouTube meme of all memes in the course of a wild six weeks — has mystified many critics.
Was it shared and watched so wildly because it was so bad? Certainly the overwhelming judgement on the part of viewers is that it is atrocious — and yet it is hard to know what that means, since 85 million people not only watched the video but also downloaded the song, bought the ring tone, and devoured every available bit of news about the singer and the song.
Using the principle of "demonstrated preference," this music video ranks as the most popular in human history.
Perhaps it is the digital-age version of Mel Brooks's smash Broadway play The Producers, a story about an attempt to write a play so bad that it flops on the first night. But, in Brooks's hilarious telling, the results were the opposite: the play was so bad that it was brilliant, and it became a smash success, however inadvertently.
Lovers of liberty are often drawn to such scenarios because they highlight the unknowability of the future, the unpredictability of human choice, and the way in which the intentions of the planners (in this case, the producers and writers) are easily upended by consumer choice, which is the driving force of economic progress.
The Producers-like irony is deepened in the case of Black's "Friday" video because it was not intended as a parody or an attempt to create a flop. That makes it all the more brilliant as a a piece of viral art. It somehow captured an archetype of bubblegum pop but with innocence and the absence of an edge.
Kids say it is awful and they hate it. They do not, despite what they say. Teens often claim to hate what they really love — as only a passing familiarity with teen romance patterns illustrates. The girl who can't stop talking about the guy she hates is surely protesting too much.
Musically, the song wouldn't seem to offer that much, but I would point out that its word play is not entirely conventional. The repeated placement of a three-syllable word "partying" into a duple metric creates some off-accent downbeats that are not entirely intuitive.
Far more significant is the underlying celebration of liberation that the day Friday represents. The kids featured in the video are of junior-high age, a time when adulthood is beginning to dawn and, with it, the realization of the captive state that the public school represents.
From the time that children are first institutionalized in these tax-funded cement structures, they are told the rules. Show up, obey the rules, accept the grades your are given, and never even think of escaping until you hear the bell. If you do escape, even peacefully of your own choice, you will be declared "truant," which is the intentional and unauthorized absence from compulsory school.
This prison-like environment runs from Monday through Friday, from 8 a.m. to late afternoon, for at least ten years of every child's life. It's been called the "twelve-year sentence" for good reason. At some point, every kid in public school gains consciousness of the strange reality. You can acquiesce as the civic order demands, or you can protest and be declared a bum and a loser by society.
"Friday" beautifully illustrates the sheer banality of a life spent in this prison-like system, and the prospect of liberation that the weekend means. Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority.
"Partying, in this case, is just another word for freedom from state authority."
The largest segment of the video then deals with what this window of liberty, the weekend, means in the life of someone otherwise ensnared in a thicket of statism. Keep in mind here that the celebration of Friday in this context means more than it would for a worker in a factory, for example: for the worker is free to come and go, to apply for a job or quit, to negotiate terms of a contract, or whatever. All of this is denied to the kid in public school.
In the video, the rush to comply and conform with the system begins with the main character in the morning, when the drill begins with waking up and preparing to go. She eats cereal for breakfast — a bit of trivia that one would hardly expect in a pop song but a first sign that the topic is reality-based and not idyllic or romanticized.
And where is she headed? To catch the official, tax-funded school bus, which, though it is not shown, we know is painted yellow today just as it has been from time immemorial since there is never realy progress or change in the state-run system. The tax-fueled machine comes to your door to snatch you away from home, where you are loved and valued, in order to transport you to the cement structure that teaches you about the glory of fitting in and believing what you are supposed to believe.
But then the protagonist experiences a foreshadowing of the liberation at hand. Arriving before the school bus is a car with "my friends." They are smiling and inviting her to join them on the ride. And it is in this context that she confronts that glorious institution that is otherwise denied to her and every student in government school: human choice.
It might as first seem like a trivial choice: whether to sit in the front seat or the back seat. But the point is not the choice set; the point is the opportunity to exercise some degree of human volition, to use one's own brain to control one's own body ("gotta make my mind up") and live with the consequences of that choice. It is a similar situation to anyone who has found himself let out of prison. These people will report the sense of elation that they feel in even the smallest opportunity to make a choice on their own.
At this moment of choice, note that the melody departs from its single-note, drill-like recitation to suddenly rise up a fifth, musical interval that has traditionally be used as a trumpet-like announcement. And once surrounded by friends of her own choosing, the imaginings of Friday's end become more real, and thus does the melody become more complex and celebratory, exploring a great range of musical colors and rhythms.
The protagonist returns, again and again, to the profound meaning behind the seemingly trivial choice to sit in one seat or another. Again, it is not the choice set that matters here but the reality of choice itself that is otherwise denied to her and all her friends in the state-run system.
The remainder of the video features scenes of "partying," which turns out not to be about drugs or drinking but merely hanging around in yards and milling about with friends. There is no attempt here to manufacture a predetermined order, no standing in lines or obeying some central plan. Rather, the beauty is seen in the pure fact of voluntary human association, with kids milling around and joining this group or that, wearing clothes of their own choosing and talking with friends of their own choosing.
Even the recitation of the days of week — a portion of the video that has been most subjected to ridicule — underscores the theme of captivity and liberation. What is there to do in prison but count the days? In story and legend, the prisoner watches the light outside and make tick marks on the wall to mark the passage of time. So it is with this protagonist, who uses calendar pages to do the same.
When she finally announces, elatedly, that "I don't want the weekend to end," she is expressing more than just the desire to be permanently relieved of educational tasks; it is a cry for the civic order to recognize the human right of liberty itself. The video ends with that hope that there will be no return to the twelve-year sentence but rather that "partying" could become a permanent state of being, not just for her but for everyone.
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To be sure, I'm not arguing that all of this was overtly intended by the songwriter or the singer. The point, rather, is that the plight, the hopes, and the dreams that are reflected in this video, however inadvertently, tap into a sensibility and a longing of a generation for a certain kind of freedom from a system that has ensnared them against their will. This might be the driving force of its popularity — and precisely why something that people claim not to like is evidently so loved.
A child-like dream of Friday and what it represents for kids trapped in public school, kids who are transported around on tax-funded buses and ordered around by tax-funded propagandists for the state, is a plausible allegory for the plight of all people imprisoned in state-controlled environments.
Yeah ok Ozmo - whatever. I only posted the long form BC of the people born on the same day as Obama with the signed doc report naming the hospital etc, that are in almost next to exact sequence as his claimed number - yet he does not have a long form BC. ::) ::)
Hawaii claims they never lost any records, so where the fuck is it and why wont barry release it?
in his file under 'notes' ;)
he released what the state of hawaii releases as a birth ceritificate. Have you not been keeping up? Any hawaiian gets a COLB and has done since 2001. The reason it has changed from 1961 LFBC's is simple. “The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.
So it's the same for EVERYONE not just Obama. Wow mass conspiracy by the whole state!
So answer the questions...
I want to see every persons long form born in 1961 or they should deported!
I would buy the latest song by maddoff/vandersloot over rebecca blacks she wasn't even born here!
Obama allegedly wrote Dreams in 1995 and in that book he caimed he had a BC. Which was it? Couldnt be the 2007 nonsense they created corect?
Obama allegedly wrote Dreams in 1995 and in that book he caimed he had a BC. Which was it? Couldnt be the 2007 nonsense they created corect?
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it. The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.
Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?
why doesn't he just spend 10 dollars for 3333 satisfaction?
Perhaps 333 should post his to prove he is American. For all we know he's an illegal.
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it. The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.
Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?
Funny because the race of the father on the COLB is listed as "African" when that was not even an option or choice in 1961.
you think is someone born in the south had 'negro' on their original certificate would have it on a newer requested copy? Didn't think so.
He wasnt born in the south.
It's an example. Rules change, regulations change. Already been explained. 8)
It's an example. Rules change, regulations change. Already been explained. 8)
Where's the long form?
Tha's funny because Obama's lawyers in court never offered that explaination for the discrepancy and Fukino never said that the race issue or classification was anexample of what you are saying.
Didn't need to. Times change, so do forms. They modernize and streamline. Welcome to the world of moving forward. We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever.
Hahaha How long does it have to be? 12 inches? I think 333 is looking for something else LFBC - Long Form Black Cock?
Didn't need to. Times change, so do forms. They modernize and streamline. Welcome to the world of moving forward. We can't all be stuck in 1961 for ever.Birth certificates don't change. Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate? Have you seen it? We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers. Something smells rotten here.
Birth certificates don't change. Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate? Have you seen it? We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers. Something smells rotten here.
Birth certificates don't change. Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate? Have you seen it? We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers. Something smells rotten here.
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.
If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.
Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it. What bama presented is pure nonsense.
You know this for a fact?
You're admitting that there is a birth certificate then?
The Certificate of live birth is a valid form in regards to getting a social security card and a job... How is it "nonsense". That form and a SS card will allow you to fill out a W-4 form at a job.
No, I was speaking of your BC.
Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC. However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign. Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it?
Personally I believe a long form does exist but it shoes a different father or none at all.
So no father makes him still a US naturalized citizen, which again, makes the whole point ridiculously stupid.
No, but there is an issue that he rejected hisd citizenship in order to enroll in school in indonesia since they only allow indonesian citizens to enroll in their schools at thew time. Lolo Sotero allegeldy adopted obama in order to get him citizenship in indonesia. So the issue might be that they changed the birtch certificate later.
There is also an issue that there was a law requiring the parents to have been residents for 10 years or some shit before qualifiyng as a citizen. FarRightLooney posted on this.
I know everyone wants this to go away, but its not because there are serious issues not resolved and calling a lot into question.
16 SS numbers? Come on, that is more than bizarre.
It is gonna go away because only the most CT people can be on board with this.
You're still alleging a HUGE conspiracy with zero proof of it... Just doesn't fly man.
Hopefully Trump will be able to blow this issue wide open. Now that he is behind it, the birther base will continue to grow.
He probably does have a LFBC doesn't mean he has to show you it. The state has it on file, they used it to create a COLB for him to prove his place of birth.
Can you prove they don't have the LFBC in the file?
As the controversy over eligibility has resurfaced recently with billionaire developer and potential Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggesting Obama's presidency could be illegal, Adams is not expecting the commander in chief to be removed from office.
"That gets into the extremist fantasies that somehow they're going to frog-march Barack Obama out of the White House – it's never going to happen," said Adams.
"Barack Obama was given permission to run for office. Barack Obama won the election. He is the president of the United States. The more extremist people out there try to, you know, bring up this issue that he's not legitimately president. It doesn't hold water. You can't say, once you give the man permission to run, and he wins the election, that he's not president. It's not going to happen."
The rules are black and white.
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.
If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.
I've already told him this..he doesn't want to get it.....but good post ;)
Yes, but the original is on file with raised seal and signed by a doc or govt officer certying it.
Bama said in Dreams From my Father, allegedly written in 1995 he had a BC. However, he released a COLB that was created in 2007 for the campaign. Where is the one he was referring to in dreams and why wont he release it?
What about this?
I told 3333 that birth certificates have changed and they no longer give out the long form any more....for instance in New York State, they now give you a "Certificate of Birth" which is what they sent me when I requested my birth certificate because I lost it.....
Obama produced his "Certificate of Birth" as well..which is a legal legitimate document....long form BC's aren't given out much any more
That's not the point. They DID give out the long form when Obama was born. Where is it?
Hawaii has said they never lost any records and have everythng. Fact is that either 1) the long form BC lists a different father or some other bizarro world thing about obama; 2) none exists at all, 3) long form BC exists but obama is listed as someone else like Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro, or 4) a long form bc exists dated after his alleged birth date to reflect someone else as the father since Lolo Soetoro allegedly adopted Barry to get him enrolled in school in indonesia.
Birth certificates don't change. Why would you so easily accept that he has a long form birth certificate? Have you seen it? We're shown a phony looking COLB and know for a fact that he used multiple social security numbers. Something smells rotten here.
You may be easing over to the birther side. He probably does, but just for real proof, let's see it.
Hawaii has said they never lost any records and have everythng. Fact is that either 1) the long form BC lists a different father or some other bizarro world thing about obama; 2) none exists at all, 3) long form BC exists but obama is listed as someone else like Barry Dunham or Barry Soetoro, or 4) a long form bc exists dated after his alleged birth date to reflect someone else as the father since Lolo Soetoro allegedly adopted Barry to get him enrolled in school in indonesia.
According to the State of Hawaii information is added and taken away depending. That is change.
Why would you so easily accept that it doesn't exist? Are you of the same thought that Hawaii, the state, are making up that he was born there?
not at all. Hawaii has it. He may not have a copy himself. It does exist however, in the file used to prepare the COLB. Can you prove it's not in there? No. I don't need to prove it's there, what else would Hawaii use to print a COLB? You think they make stuff up or use 'notes' as in cliffs notes of someone being born? Like oh yeah Obama he was born here it says so on this post it in his file. ::)
Same bullshit as when illegals sign up for Drivers' licenses in states like NC. Sometimes the states just accept whatever bullshit the person tells them.
There are no hospital records whatsoever of Barrys' birth anywhere at any time.
That's not true... Birth Certificates do change.
If I go get a birth certificate for myself from the commonwealth of virginia right now... It does not look like the birth certificate from 1950.
If you receive a certified copy of your long form birth certificate, it will contain the same information as the original. Only the short form certificate is abbreviated.
What long form?
I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.
Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.
Here is the copy that the person born allegedly right before obama's looked like. Compare to the garbage obama released.
I don't know how many times I can say this... As far as I am concerned... this LONG FORM shit is just that... Shit.
If Obama were getting a job as a CEO making 10 times what he does as President, the one he produced would be good enough.
Problem is that its not a requirement under the US Const. for the CEO of a private corp. to be a NBC.
So in the US Constitution it says "long form Birth Certificate" somewhere?
No, its says NBC, which has a legal definition that so far Barry has yet to really prove.What is the "legal definition" then?
What long form?
I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.
Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.
The long form is a certified photocopy of the original birth certificate prepared by the hospital or physician. It has parents' address, race, birth place, date of birth, doctor's name, doctor's signature, parents' signature, etc. You're right, you can get use a short form or computer generated version for a lot of things, but it won't contain all the information as the original and you cannot use it to obtain a US passport.
I don't think the trump video answers the question.If you got a passport with your BC, it's a long form BC. What Obama is showing online would not get him a passport.
I also don't think that any definition of Natural Born Citizen mentions some long form birth certificate.
As a matter of fact, the definition actually has no birth certificate mentioned at all.
That's not true... I've got a passport and I've only used the only birth certificate I've got.
The long form that you speak of only exists in certain instances... Yes, there are some criteria... which you stated above, but this long form shit is ridiculous... a 2 page birth certificate does not exist for me.
The long form is a certified photocopy of the original birth certificate prepared by the hospital or physician. It has parents' address, race, birth place, date of birth, doctor's name, doctor's signature, parents' signature, etc. You're right, you can get use a short form or computer generated version for a lot of things, but it won't contain all the information as the original and you cannot use it to obtain a US passport.
Why do you keep lying? "*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
A COLB is a Certificate of Live Birth, Certifying birth by said individual in said state at said time. Hawaii i imagine would be a state that you can use a COLB as ID because that is what they issue when requesting a birth certificate. They have an offical seal on it as proven by factcheck.org who say and photographed the actual version of it.
Beginning April 1, 2011, all birth certificates must also include the full names of the applicant's parent(s). So because he isn't a first time applicant his COLB is enough to get a passport before April 1 2011.
SO please stop lying
What did I lie about?
The long form that you speak of only exists in certain instances... Yes, there are some criteria... which you stated above, but this long form shit is ridiculous... a 2 page birth certificate does not exist for me.
What long form?
I have NEVER seen a long form in the Commonwealth of Virginia... Not mine, nor my kids... No Ex-Wives... Even my dad's.
Never EVER seen one... Nor is it a requirement to fill out a W-4 to have one... So if it's not required for employment paperwork... What's thebig deal.
I don't buy all this birther shit, but I was born in VA and I have a long form BC. Looks similar to the long form 33 keeps using as an example. Now I was born on a military base, but the certificate is still State of VA so I don't think that would make any difference.
You can't read? Prove you can not use a COLB for a new US passport. It says SOME may not be usable. Doesn't say sh*t about hawaii and the fact hawaii issues COLB in place of other longer birth certs would pretty much guarantee you can use it for a passport. Up to April 1 2011 that is.
So yeah quit the bullsh*t lies. You've been caught.
You do? Can you delete the names and stuff and make an image?
I've never seen such a thing.
Every one I've seen looks like this... Including mine.:
(http://www.fdeus.com/us/images/Birth%20certificates/Virginia%20Birth%20Certificate.jpg)
Just took a black marker to a copy, scanned it, but when I expand it, you can see all the data through the marker, lol.
It has a similar fancy border to the one you posted, just in the middle are a bunch of boxes like regist. #, certificate#, whether it was single, twin, triplet (guess you're screwed if your octo mom), mom & dad info along with addresses.
Until this whole birther issue, I just assumed everybody's birth certificate had all this data. But, I hold these clowns to the same standard as the 9/11 people and I've yet to see any evidence put forth. Just unanswered questions - big whoop.
I think this is a current issue that is worthy of being talked about, but i do not see birthers in the same way (33333 slimy antics aside) as i do see 9/11 truthers, although the argument styles are essentially the same.
For Trump this could be potentially a suicide move before he even gets and steam rolling in his campaign.
I agree. It's really nothing like the 9/11 nuts.
What slimey tactics have I used?
No, this isn't like 9/11, but I think we need to hold birthers to the same standard - evidence. Show some freaking evidence.
240's crying that he can't "prove a negative". Hell, he can't prove a positive.
I am really curious to see how much this will be relevant in 2012.
I really don't think it will be.
It appears (and I could be wrong) but it appears that the people who are screaming about this are the people who didn't like Obama anyway... It's that side that the Tea Party sits on and I don't "feel" like it will be relevant in 2012.
Agree. The 9/11 stuff is just plain stupid. The birthers at least have some legitimate questions . . . but no evidence.
LOL~
I love it. You wanna be a birther so bad, beachy!
::)
For real - your little comments like The birthers at least have some legitimate questions
It's what you always do - little cutesy ways of bumping and continuing CTs while not taking a position on it. But everyone reading knows you are on board with the birthers. You can't legitimize them by saying they have legit Qs.
You're one of us, BB. You don't have to admit it. Everyone reading knows ;)
we know you, champ :)
You wait til a CT thread falls to the bottom, then conveniently bump it to say how silly it is.
you want it discussed... you know how it works ;)
we know you, champ :)
You wait til a CT thread falls to the bottom, then conveniently bump it to say how silly it is.
you want it discussed... you know how it works ;)
What do you mean?
Gibberish. :)
The beacheth doth protest a bit much, I think?
hey, it's jut a theory on my part.
however, i think you did legitimize the birther CT when you said, well, 'The birthers at least have some legitimate questions".
that's pretty much the definition of assigning legitimacy to it.
The more you guys look in to this the more you will become birthers. I'm betting at this point the listed father is different than bama claims.
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This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.
THE BOTTOM LINE:
THAT would be the smoking gun, my friend.
33, where is this senate debate video? it's from 2004, right? Obama's own words would completely end his 2012 chances.
Why have you, and none of your fellow CTers, been able to find a simple national senate debate from just 7 years ago, which would prove he wasn't born here (in his own words)?
Oh great, this is NOT in the transcripts.
This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”, and in which Obama, by his quick retort, “So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”, self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.
So it seems that alan keyes, the fiercest obama critic out there - is also "in on it".
I read it was caught on camera right off the seor something. I'm trying to find it. To be honest this was the first I ever heard of this.
From what I understand is that the debate was edited and that part was taken out. It became an issue when 2 witnesses came forward and said it happened.
Just so you know, I see a couple of problems here and it's probably why the Birther movement isn't pounding the drum as hard as they should.
1. No actual video has surfaced yet
2. With no video it's hearsay
3. Obama doesn't directly say it when taken in context.
Yeah but its just like the "My Muslim Faith" moment. Leaves a ton o questions.
" the raw footage was, as far as The Post & Email knows, aired only twice by C-Span in April and May of 2005."
The keyes team no doubt VCR'd it right from the C-Span showing. I'm sure lots of reporters and pundits did too.
There are copies of it floating around. hell, CSPAN keeps copies of everything they air. They have it too.
LOL... contact them, 33... offer to buy it. :)
I bet you'll hear that same response the BBC said about their 911 footage. You know, the most important day in news history? After video emerged of a BBC reporter saying WTC7 had fallen (while it stood in the background), the BBC was contacted by many people for a copy of the footage that day. Their answer - in this era of hard copy backups, computers, and everything else - was that THEY LOST IT. They called it a 'cock up' and said they lost all the video from 9/11.
Reminds me of that. I bet CNN had an 'accidental flooding' or 'electrical fire' which specifically destroyed the Keyes debate. God, people are so fcking stupid :)
If he's holding a trump card then it may be a matter of timing for him to release it. But i don't think he has.
remember, this is Trump we're talking about. He's the master of delivering material, keeping an audience, and biding his time. he's done it marvelously in the past, and I doubt he'll be blowing his load making his case in a week if he can stretch it say, 13 weeks (the length of a tv season again?)
And I posted that! ;D
lol. Uh oh. Watch it Ozmo. :D
(http://fermentation.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/06/27/tinfoil.jpg)
Beach - do you agree that obama's refusal to release his BC and other records at least adds fuel to this fire?
Sort of, but there isn't much of a fire. He ought to just release it or confirm it doesn't exist.
But he could just be playing birthers to make them look silly. Fast forward to summer 2012. If the Republican nominee is talking about this, and it has already been established by the state that he was born in Hawaii, the nominee will look like a fool.
I personally think at this point the SS issue is what he is petrified of. The SS # issue seems like he is DOA on that which opens up a can of worms and he knows that will leads to a disaster for him.
How so? What would be the problem if he has a different SSN? (assuming he doesn't redact the SSN if any documents are released)
He has a SS # for people born in CT!
Who has proved this?
Also, if he does have a different SSN, did he get it before turning 18? If so, wouldn't his parents be the ones handling that?
Read trough this thread. The SS issue is deadly to obama
Read trough this thread. The SS issue is deadly to obama
Who has proved this?
Also, if he does have a different SSN, did he get it before turning 18? If so, wouldn't his parents be the ones handling that?
waste of time, going no where, smart repubs will tell you to stick with the issues,crazy talk
It's a 22 page thread, you cant just post a summary?
That's actually not true.
I never go to the first post after posting and some 22 pages.
Obama's SS is a fake.
Explain to me why its a fake, because so far, you haven't said anything here but made a claim.
I, on the other hand, have shown that the numbering system you assume indicates which state is not true.
and please answer the question i asked.
The SS number he has is for people who live in CT andin fact is sequenced with a guy named "Wood" with a birth in 1890. There is no one living HA with a SS number starting with 042 - plus there are 16 other numbers traced to obama where he has traveled.
thanks 3333, we will get to the "Wood" thing in a little bit. First let's stay on this SSN thing starting with 042.
When did Obama apply for a SSN card that gave him that number? Do you know?
I have no idea on that.
Well you should find out. After all aren't you interested in the truth? If you are really interested in the truth and not you political agenda which has been marinated in hate for Obama, you find that out wouldn't you?
Well today is your lucky day!
I found out for you!
He applied for it in 1977.
Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?
Well you should find out. After all aren't you interested in the truth? If you are really interested in the truth and not you political agenda which has been marinated in hate for Obama, you find that out wouldn't you?
33 seeks any truth which will boot obama out of office.
outside of that, i dunno...........
Why would someone apply for a SS 16 years after their birth if they were born in the USA? That is ridiculous beyond explanation.
Not at all.
I was born in 1965. I got my SSN when i was 15 or 16. From what i understand, it wasn't something parents did until the tax code required dependents to have SSN which i do not know when that happened. It had to happen sometime before 1988 because my daughter was issued one.
With some good research you be able to find that out. I'll will look too.
Now back to my question:
Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?
Lets assume you are correct. In 1977 he would be 16. Why was he in CT at that time?
He wasn't there, I have already shown that the 042 is not indicative of a state as per the US governemnt,
now,
Do you know where he applied for his SSN from?
Yes it is! 042 is from people born in CT. When I give my "127" number everyone knows I am from the Bronx. This is another Obama scam.
So basically 33333, you don't know where he applied from.
Look buddy, just let go of your emotional hate for a few minutes.
and remember this:
Area Number
The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.
::)
Now back to my question:
Do you know where he applied for the SSN from?
Or are you just back to your cut and paste cowardly bull shit?
Or are you just back to your cut and paste cowardly bull shit?
No - by his own statements he never stepped foot into the 48 states until he wa 18 y/o for college at occidental. how could he have possibly applied for a SS from CT at 16 y/o? This should be good.
No - I will update this thread like I do others with articles s they appear.
i never said he applied from Conn.
He apply from: Beretania Street where he lived in Hawaii prior to getting a job at basken robbins
do you know what zip code it was then? 96814
ha ha ha ha ha !!!!! and what SS # di he use in filling out the app for employment?
Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.
Key word here is "prior"
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:
1. SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:
2. Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979. http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)
3. He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
5. People applied via hand written mail back then.
Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:
1. SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:
2. Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979. http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)
3. He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
5. People applied via hand written mail back then.
Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
yeah - and when he went to apply for a SS number at 16 y/o what docs did he present? The unsigned, no doc, no hospital, no date, no time, 2007 Colb? Ha ha ha ha ha Lol!!!!!
Utter bullshit because the overwhelming nuimber of people with 042 are from CT and there are no people from HA eith that number rom 1961.
Before I lower the boom, let's review and add:
1. SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:
2. Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979. http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)
3. He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
5. People applied via hand written mail back then.
Ready for number "6" or is it that it doesn't matter because you right and i am wrong and Obama is a Marxist devil destroying the country blah blah blah?
Not at all.
But that's not all.
Remember in 1977, people inputted info, they weren't scanned like today.
#6
The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814
1. SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:
2. Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979. http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)
3. He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
5. People applied via hand written mail back then.
6. The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814
Remember in 1977, people inputted info, they weren't scanned like today.
#6
The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814
Ok - and why was Obama in Danbury in 1977 to apply for his SS number considering he claims the first time he himself stepped foot in the lower 48 was when he was 18 y/o?
Rub it flip it, throw it down oh noooooooooooooooo!
So it could have just been simply mixing up a 0 and a 9 on the typewriter?
Sounds like a pinky finger slip. And obama has been accused of being a commie pinko bastard. The pieces are starting to fit...
Here's a follow up question:
On the typewriter are the "0" and "9" located near each other and are they pressed with a pinky?
What does that prove at all? Nothing at all.
What does that prove at all? Nothing at all.
33, as a CTer, your best bet is NOT to roll eyes and change subject.
Rather, you should realize it's possible that point is a mistake on some secretary's part - concede that point to Oz - then move on to one other point which may prove obama wasn't born here.
Don't spend hours arguing something once you realize it's a lost point. Remember, you don't have to prove every lie - just ONE. If there's one official lie in the record, then you win. You don't have to find 100 mistakes.
Start with the book mistake - the pic of grandparents with the photosho lines - get Oz to concede it's probably a photoshop. Oz, you game? From there, 33, you as him to surmise the motivation for such a faked pic. Then you give your theory, and how it fits into the bigger lie.
33, as a CTer, your best bet is NOT to roll eyes and change subject.
Rather, you should realize it's possible that point is a mistake on some secretary's part - concede that point to Oz - then move on to one other point which may prove obama wasn't born here.
Don't spend hours arguing something once you realize it's a lost point. Remember, you don't have to prove every lie - just ONE. If there's one official lie in the record, then you win. You don't have to find 100 mistakes.
Start with the book mistake - the pic of grandparents with the photosho lines - get Oz to concede it's probably a photoshop. Oz, you game? From there, 33, you as him to surmise the motivation for such a faked pic. Then you give your theory, and how it fits into the bigger lie.
It destroyed the SSN conpriacy theory. Provided a reasonable explanation highlighted by an incredible valid coincident.
You have no choice now but to either just stubbornly dispute it to save face or just agree you got nothing.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha- yeah - speculation is proof? Funny, especially coming from OZ who champions himself as the board skeptic.
Especially considering the number he used on ih selective service registration.
I like being a skeptic, but i wouldn't call myself that. Others here are far more skeptic about things than me. Hell, i believe in UFO's and little green men. In fact, i even moderate a CT board. :D
I like being a skeptic, but i wouldn't call myself that. Others here are far more skeptic about things than me. Hell, i believe in UFO's and little green men. In fact, i even moderate a CT board. :D
Tell us about that one - let's conceded the baskin robbins 9/0 typo.
What's this one about? Another one-digit miss? That would be a win for you, if he shows a pattern of minor fudging numbers.
You offered an alternative theory which so far have never been offered by even obama himself for the fact that heis using a CT SS# number. So your alleged debunking now admits to speculating that the clerk made a typo mistake? Am I correct in your assertion?
i'm not conceding anything. Are you kidding? So i am supposed to believe that Obama's refusal to release anything and all this nonsense is based on a clerical error by a clerk. Yeah ok 240. ::) ::) ::)
Yeah. I'm probably a bigger skeptic than you.
You're in good company with the little green men. Are you Kucinich supporter? :D
Do you know how many possibilities there are in 5 numbers with 10 variables each? Isn't like 10 to the 5th power or something? Isn't that like a million different numbers? And those 2 are off by only 1 digit? digit that are right next to each other.
On top of that, you have a lefty handwriting the address. combined that with the other stuff i showed and it destroys your youtube and cut/patse blitz of over dramatic vids and over opinionated articles.
i'm not conceding anything. Are you kidding? So i am supposed to believe that Obama's refusal to release anything and all this nonsense is based on a clerical error by a clerk. Yeah ok 240. ::) ::) ::)
No, I like debating with you since it ups my game. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this. Additionally, like you you, we were both probabl given SS# at or near birth. I really never heard of someone who was born in the USA never getting a SS until they were 17. How did he register for HS?
Fucking nonsense. 99.9% of us were all given a SS# number at BIRTH that we all have and know and have used and can be traced to where we were born.
i am too now trying to get to the bottom of this, thanks to you. :)
That's incorrect. Maybe now it is. But not prior to 65. i remember when my parents gave me my SSN card after it came in the mail. They told me not lose it. It was around when i was 15 or 16. i knew i needed it to get a job.
I was born in 1975. What happened between 1961 and 1975 that that situation changed?
Which my have likely been the long form you are talking about.
I remember mine. It disintegrated about the time i turned 30.
Fine - but the state of Hawaii said they never lost any records from 1961 ans its all on microfiche.
Yeah and Obama has spent millions blocking access to it. I know. He's likely hiding something. I think its has to do with being a Muslim.
But when it comes to this Conn. SSN there's nothing there.
When it comes to the BC, the fact that he was able to get a SSN in 1977 indicates he probably provided the a notarized copy of the long form as it was done back then. Now its done differently. This in its self supports among other things that he was born in the USA.
i'm not saying he was defniately born outside of the USA, but I believe his religion, named father, race, and other matters are still up for debate and speculaton as listed on the longform BC.
None of that shit makes it illegal to be President... Which is what this whole thing was supposed to be about.
None of that shit makes it illegal to be President... Which is what this whole thing was supposed to be about.
i'm not saying he was defniately born outside of the USA, but I believe his religion, named father, race, and other matters are still up for debate and speculaton as listed on the longform BC.
There is a poster on this board called Farright looney who posted more details on this.Sorry. For the confusion. Is he saying Obama is a anchor baby? Lol
But there is an issue as far as NBC status goes in relation to the state of Hawaii and the fact that the parent had to be there for like 10 years to confer NBC status.
I agree, but isn't the Birther issue really about Obama not being a NBC and thus can not be president?
240 = true birther to see if obama has legit right to hold office.
33 = partisan birther wanting to see document for anything to undermine or embarass obama. anything rush can use to call him a bastard, a muslim, or make fun of his deceased parents on a daily basis.
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.
You don't remember this guy opening the DNC in 2004? They were talking about him being pres. some day.
well - I guess its also about the whole media created image of obama as being false since he came out of nowhere and was sold to the public based on nothing and people trying to now figure out where everything was wrong and how far badly they were duped.
Obama sold himself to the public due to his effectiive campaign and Hillary's inept campaign...the media had nothing to do with it..Hillary thought she had the nomination locked up after super tuesday and didn't go all out...Obama kept pressing on and won something like 13 primaries and caucauses in a row...thats why he won....give the guy credit for outworking Hillary..Geeeezzzzzz
Absolutely not. I will give him credit for being a great liar and guilting whites into votng for him. ill give him that for sure.
That won't make it fade at all. That will make the story snowball.I am just thinking it will fizzle out in relevance. There will always be people who think he wasn't born here. It's always that way with things like this. I would like them to push it at the debates though, but as others have commented, it could be disastrous.
Where he was born is but one isse. There is also the fake ss numbers, the aliases, the passports he used, the phoney name changes, the missing years in new york no one can piece together, the enigma as to how he got into harvard law, etc.
Where he was born is but one isse. There is also the fake ss numbers, the aliases, the passports he used, the phoney name changes, the missing years in new york no one can piece together, the enigma as to how he got into harvard law, etc.It's the main issue. With out it the movement would be dead.
Don't you think the FBI would have been all over this???..get off it already...Obama was thoroughly screened before he could run for office....you act as if a guy could come here on a raft and register to run for office.....
For elective office you never have to go through the same gut wrenmching bio review. Again - this whole issue would go away tommow if he simply released his records.
Yawn. Even david poof is scared of this issue. I have some good stuff on bamas fake ss numbers ill post later.
Yes I hate obama. No doubt. However there are tons of mysteries he is covering up for unknown reasons.
Hawaii Official and Ex-Official Lie to Cover Their Tracks 100
DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN RAMPS UP IN RESPONSE TO DONALD TRUMP’S ASSERTIONS THAT OBAMA HAS NOT SHOWN A REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE
by Miki Booth
Dr. Chiyome Fukino lied on national TV when she said that the "Certification of Live Birth" is all a person can obtain from the Health Department. And what gave her the right to "inspect" Obama's records if they are closed by state law?
(Apr. 10, 2011) — Donald Trump is really turning the heat up on Obama’s missing birth certificate and far-left zealots have found it necessary to drag ex-Hawai’i official, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, former director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, back to the podium to recite her tale of viewing the elusive document. This time, unlike her first obtuse and lawyered-up comments, Fukino has gotten bolder since Abercrombie slipped his Obama “born in Hawaii” sentence into the 50th anniversary commemorative bill.
But the latest attempt to put out the flames has backfired and exposed some naughty children huddled in a back room playing with matches. Michael Isikoff, MSNBC’s “so-called” national investigative correspondent, was caught with Joshua Wisch, former chairman of Howard Dean’s presidential campaign in Hawaii. Now spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general’s office, Wisch apparently colluded with Fukino to validate Obama’s alleged “Certification of Live Birth.”
“What he got, everybody got,” said Fukino. “He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate.”
Not true, Dr. Fukino. When my son, Alan, requested a copy of his birth certificate he got just that—a “Certificate of Live Birth,” not the same as Obama’s. Different titles and different information. Obama’s is sorely lacking information required for obtaining a passport—Mother’s State/Country of Birth and Father’s State/Country of Birth.
Short-Form Certificate of Live Birth obtained by Alan Booth, who was born in Hawaii. The document contains a raised seal, which Obama's Certification of Live Birth did not.
It appears specific people are lining up to take a bullet for Obama. Conspiracy to defraud the American people is a serious crime and MSNBC has become the epitome of yellow journalism, brashly covering-up for Obama and the entire anti-American agenda of the socialist left. This latest cover-up attempt is laughable and speaks volumes to the desperation of the Democrat Party.
Michael Isikoff writes, “But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.
“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorized such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer-generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”
Not true, Mr. Wisch. A friend of mine filled out the appropriate state form and received back a “certificate of live birth” as shown below:
Long-Form Certificate of Live Birth from the state of Hawaii received in March 2011 by the requester
Enough with the lies already. You will be held accountable.
As long as the debate over Obama’s birth records drag on, we will have that much more time to inform Americans that the birth certificate doesn’t even matter. We don’t care whether he has one or not; Obama is clearly illegally occupying the office of US President since he is not by any stretch of the imagination an Article II, Section I, clause 5 “natural born Citizen” born of two citizen parents on American soil. It becomes more evident every day that his allegiance is not to the United States of America.
Truth will out.
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Editor’s Note: The Post & Email will be calling Mr. Wisch tomorrow to confront him with his false statements about obtaining vital records in Hawaii. We will also be contacting for the third time the Health Department, Governor Neil Abercrombie, and Lt. Gov. Brian Schatz, all of whom have spokespersons who have failed to return our calls or answer our letters regarding the many contradictions evident in Obama’s birth story and documentation, or lack thereof. The Health Department registrar, Dr. Alvin Onaka, whose stamp appears on the long-form document above, is apparently squeamish about picking up the telephone and answering our questions.
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Likely all those other things you just listed are probably reasonably explainable. But I don't know I'd have to research them. Just my assumption based on the 042 thing.
I think maybe quite a lot of people who are in the movement haven't done Much real research. I mean look at you for example:
You didn't know when Obama first applied for a SSN.
You didn't know where he applied from.
You didn't know that SSN numbers were NOT issued at birth
You didn't know that the "area number" on a SSN wasn't 100% indicative of which state he was born.
It's as if, you just got totally sucked in by the overly opinionated articles and over dramatic you tube vids and let your hate cloud your sensibilities.
I would have thought you'd at least have looked into those important facts before you launched your crusade.
Why should I take anything in that article as legitimate?
You are just cutting and pasting again.
Should I just go on a cutting and pasting frenzy too? I am sure I can find hundreds of articles debunking Birthers.
What's that going to solve?
You don't bother to check the bull crap in your articles so why would anyone take them seriously?
Bump for 333333
The woman posted her owns kids' records. Did you even look at that and compare it to the nonsense obama put out? Of course not.I just showed in detail how you yourself don't.
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Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.
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Yawn - obama must be the first person Ihave ever heard of not having a SS until applying himself at 17 y/o on his own from a state he never had any reason to be in the first place and different from the state he was allegedly born in.
Here we go a spamming of YouTube vids
Never expected that response ;D ::)
The one on the bottom is too blurry I cant fully read it.
Look on the right hand side from the middle on down - notice what is listed on that vs. what IS NOT listed on Bama's.
also - look at the top - is there a difference between "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" & "CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH"
Yes! What obama presented is pure nonsense since a valid BC always has the inf on the place of birth of the parents. The second mage I gave you was from a lady wh got one for her son in March 2011.
I cannot read every bit of text on the bottom document. I even downloaded it and zoomed in.
Also, you using the word "always" in you arguments is very suspect now.
Te real BC lists the place of birth of the parents, both on the short form and the long form, bama's does not. why?
I can't fully read the bottom one. I must be able to read ALL the text printed on it to even comment on it.
I cannot read every bit of text on the bottom document. I even downloaded it and zoomed in.
It's because you've abandoned eyeball themed avatars. Try switching back.
Just so you know, 333333.
Debunking the SSN things was pretty dam easy. I am willing to bet the COLB forgery debunking won't be too much harder.
How did you debunk anything? Are you kidding? Why was even even allegedly in CT in 1977 in the first place?
Sigh...........
Are you just being "ignorant" because you are in "Forum battle mode"?
Has your hate consumed you so much you have lost your ability to read and comprehend?
What is it 333333?
Absolutely not. Please do tell. This is the most bizarre nonsense I have ever heard. I'm not kidding, I have never heard of smeone born in the USA not get a SS at birth or near birth and then wait till they are 17 Y/O to get one in a state they have no locaton to in any form whatsoever.
I could tell you to tell you to research it yourself :DBump
but if i wasn't willing to go back and read through 22 pages of this thread i can't expect you to either.
here ya go:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html)
SSA logo: link to Social Security Online home
Social Security Numbers
The SSN Numbering Scheme
Number Has Three Parts
The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:
* The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
* The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
* The final set of four digits is the Serial Number
Area Number
The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.
Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.
Note: One should not make too much of the "geographical code." It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.
1. SSN's, by the admission of the http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html (http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html) does not issue numbers based on "area numbers" the first 3 digits of a SSN:
2. Obama did live in Hawaii and attended school there form 5th grade until graduating in 1979. http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html (http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/03/21/news/story4.html)
3. He applied for an SSN in 1977 PRIOR to getting a job at baskins robbins.
4. The zip form the address he applied form was: 96814
5. People applied via hand written mail back then.
6. The zip code for Danbury, CT. was 06814
Bump - fine- so you say he wated until he was 16 toapply for his SS number - from CT no less. By his own admission the first time hecame to the lower 48 was when he came to college at Occidental where he claims he spent two years (records not released).
So again - explain please.
No, NOT from conn. for the umteeneth time!
Did you eat a bowl of dumb fucks this morning?
I was born in 1975 and my SS number is clear that I a from the Bronx NY, EVERYOE I KNOW HAS THE SAME FUCKING THING!
So while there might be an isolated incident of course - if he applied from Hawaii he would have a number for peopl born there 9/10 times.
So again - the whole thing is beyond strange - and you offer nothing to support yur theory at all other than speculation as to what might have ocurred to explain these anolomies.
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The 042 # he is using in but one of 15 others traced to him.
You didnt debunk anything. You offered a possible explanation for what appears another black hole of mystery surrounding obama.
That's a black hole mystery? I think what's more of a mystery is exactly when you traded your objectivity for hate.
Look at your approach:
- Based on hate
- No real research
- Cut and paste spamming
What I posted overwhelmingly supports his SSN legitimacy as well as lending strong support to him being born here.
Yes, you offer an alternative theory. Great - that is why we debate these things. However - without a doctor/hospital signed BC, something verifiable its all a mystery.
and Ozmo - when bama applied forhis SS in 1977 - what did he present?
That's a black hole mystery? I think what's more of a mystery is exactly when you traded your objectivity for hate.
Look at your approach:
- Based on hate
- No real research
- Cut and paste spamming
What I posted overwhelmingly supports his SSN legitimacy as well as lending strong support to him being born here.
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I'm not spamming anything - they go point by point in the COLB nonsense - notice the difference? YES or NO?
oz,
33 will be calling you a kneepadder shortly. He'll surmise since you aren't accepting his CTs as fact, you are somehow defending obama.
No -we are having a debate. Ozmo is not a hack at all. He presents good counter arguments, and hopefully your messah will clear this u by releasing his BC recods college records, law school records, etc.
yo fag i only come with facts and ask you to do the same and i get called every name in the book.. and then i accused of being in line with EVERYTHING and thats just not true.. and i get that many many times..
so when we engage one another,, its facts from my end and hyperbole from your end
Its all hope and change from your ass bro.
right.. you have no viable comeback.. so you say shit like that..
HAHAHAHAHAHA 333 OWNED so badly. Nice post Beach.
Time to either close the thread or move it to the CT board.
It's pretty obvious at this stage that any assumption of Obama being born outside of the USA is false and that this thread has become another 'cut and paste' birther sources.
So please either move it or lock it, don't care which but really it's been done to death, the birthers have been proven wrong.
So Dr. Fukino is now in on the conspiracy? This is gong to cause some major embarrassment for Trump.
yes... he is
And we been over this already in detail and you were left looking real ignorant on the matter.
youre getting too close to the truth. Time for a personal attack! :);D
Its a she you moron. Again - you = uninformed.
Washington Times Ad: Whose Social Security Number is Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using?
Obama Release Your Records ^ | A | obama Release Your Records
- For Immediate Release -- 11 April 2011 -
Whose Social Security Number is President Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Using? Wash Times National Weekly - 11 Apr 2011 - pg 5 - here, Ad also embedded at end of this post.
Federal lawsuit* accuses putative President Obama is fraudulently using a Social Security Number which is legally not his and which was issued only to residents of the State of Connecticut, a state where Obama never legally resided and certainly not during the time frame of circa 1977 when that SSN was issued!
042-XX-XXXX*
This Social Security Number is reserved for the people of Connecticut NOT Hawaii. Obama never lived in Connecticut, and he certainly wasn't living there when the number was issue in 1977, rather he was a 15 year old attending high school in Hawaii. This Connecticut geographic region SSN was used by Obama to register for the Selective Service System.
Obama was either in HI or in CA attending Occidental College during his late teens when he was required to file and register with the Selective Service System. Use of this SSN by Obama as recently as the year 2008 has been confirmed by two private investigators - Susan Daniels and Neil Sankey.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords. blogspot.com ...
The reason i think it shoiuld stay for now is because it's very relevant to politics.
Trumps statements and Birther based campaign have made it a current political issue that's in the news.
The reason i think it shoiuld stay for now is because it's very relevant to politics.
Trumps statements and Birther based campaign have made it a current political issue that's in the news.
I see. I suppose if we could find some current potential candidate with unusual 911 viewpoints, it could be relevant here?
Ron Paul Says 9/11 Investigation "basically a cover-up"
Jesse Ventura: Former Governor of Minnesota, ex-Navy SEAL and retired pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura has renewed the call for a new investigation into the events of 9/11 in the face of dramatic new evidence that is coming to light every week.
Sarah Palin?
Asked by We Are Change Ohio, “Do you support the family members and first responders who are calling for a new 9/11 investigation?,” Palin responded, “I do.”
Mitt Romney Blames Obama for 9/11 Truthers
Its a she you moron. Again - you = uninformed.lol.. it was off the cuff. i take none of this as serious ass wipe.. and i have given absolute zero energy to this matter.. which is why i dont give a shit about "the gender of obamas birth doctor"...
No -we are having a debate. Ozmo is not a hack at all. He presents good counter arguments, and hopefully your messah will clear this u by releasing his BC recods college records, law school records, etc.
again..you will just say they are faked documents.....you know that will never satisfy you
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Where are his SAT, Occidental, Columbia, LSAT, Harvard Law, records as well as the State Senate records?
again if he gave those things to you personally in your hand tomorrow you would say the documents are fake or that the person who gave them to you is not the real Obama but a duplicate clone he manufactured with the gov't/s help to fool the public.....your conspiracy-laden mind will never accept the truth
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Where are his SAT, Occidental, Columbia, LSAT, Harvard Law, records as well as the State Senate records?
What do those have to do with the BC? You're defeated and reduced to what about arguments.
(http://blogs.westword.com/showandtell/03%20your%20argument%20is%20invalid.jpg)
The BC is but one record among many he refuses to release. Again - if he was as smart, brilliant, and accomplished academically as you clowns say - would he be proud to release his college and law school records?
If he is so brilliant and smart as you cum stained dolts tries to convince everyone of - wouldnt he be proud to relase his SATand LSAT scores?
Just a question, why should Obama show those things? Because other people say he's a brilliant and smart guy?
Well, even Bob Woodward said in his personal dealings and witnessing obama iteract with others believes obama always try to portray himself as the smartest person in the room. Usually if one wants to position themself inthat way it should be based upon something.
Well, even Bob Woodward said in his personal dealings and witnessing obama iteract with others believes obama always try to portray himself as the smartest person in the room. Usually if one wants to position themself inthat way it should be based upon something.
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama is trying to be the smartest person in the room you feel Obama is obligated to release private information to prove it?
Private? GMAFB. I got a bad SAT score - 1070. I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.
I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever. What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?
Private? GMAFB. I got a bad SAT score - 1070. I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.
I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever. What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama thinks he's the smartest man int eh room and because you are willing to show anyone your academic records Obama is obligated to?
So because Bob Woodward thinks Obama thinks he's the smartest man int eh room and because you are willing to show anyone your academic records Obama is obligated to?
Private? GMAFB. I got a bad SAT score - 1070. I got a 161 on my LSAT, graduated in 1997 from Manhattan College with a 3.94 GPA, and graduated Pace Law School in 2000 with a 3.35 GPA, scored in the top 5% of all bar exam takers on the Multi-State, was on te Environmental Law Review as a n editor and wrot my article about recreational activities being subjected to enviro lawsuits and how thy apply to activities protect by the BOR, etc.
I wrote my college thesis on why the EU was likely to fail and have nothing to hide whatsoever. What i so provate about an LSAT score unless you did terrible on it not worthy of admission to Harvard Law?
Whatever Ozmo - keep your head in the sand. Even Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc are clean on teir records academically, but the messiah its all a mystery and everyone is like "but he is a con law scholar". Yeah, ok. I have met people at Nathan's Famous with more of a clue than Obama yet we ar all supposed to take it at face value that he is some brilliant guy when we really know absolutelynothing about him still!
Its unreal - you would do more research on the plumber coming in to fix your toilet than you do this asshole. Think about it.
Well seeing as he is the POTUS and claiming to be the most transparent administration ever, don't you find it a little strange that we know virtually nothing about his past?
There are things i'd like to know, such as what's on his long form, but how a person did on tests or in school doesn't mean much to me. What's important is whether or not he can make the right decisions, have resolve, strong beliefs and get things done through other people. His SAT score has nothing to do with that. BTW, i think he's failing at all those things.
So, i ask again, is Bob Wodwards opinion and 33333 willingness the reason Obama should show these things?
There are things i'd like to know, such as what's on his long form, but how a person did on tests or in school doesn't mean much to me. What's important is whether or not he can make the right decisions, have resolve, strong beliefs and get things done through other people. His SAT score has nothing to do with that. BTW, i think he's failing at all those things.
So, i ask again, is Bob Wodwards opinion and 33333 willingness the reason Obama should show these things?
Its part of the entire narrative of this whole shit show that was put forward to the public in 2008 over Hillary in thepriary as well as McCain in 2008.
My contention is that if we knew te real truth about Obama and his record he would still be lucky to be a state senator in ILL.
Whatever Ozmo - keep your head in the sand. Even Kerry, Bush, Gore, etc are clean on teir records academically, but the messiah its all a mystery and everyone is like "but he is a con law scholar". Yeah, ok. I have met people at Nathan's Famous with more of a clue than Obama yet we ar all supposed to take it at face value that he is some brilliant guy when we really know absolutelynothing about him still!
Its unreal - you would do more research on the plumber coming in to fix your toilet than you do this asshole. Think about it.
Since it is a constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US, and his ability to hold office has been questioned, then I would say yes he is obligated to produce the long form BC. If nothing else than to put an end to this. As far as the rest it is at his discretion to do so.
Its part of the entire narrative of this whole shit show that was put forward to the public in 2008 over Hillary in thepriary as well as McCain in 2008.
My contention is that if we knew te real truth about Obama and his record he would still be lucky to be a state senator in ILL.
Fair enough. But from what i understand he has met the legal requirements. And it seems that any attempt to force him to do more has been turned down repeatedly. Fro example: BB's last post.
So now Obama should show his academic records based on your assumption?
So now Obama should show his academic records based on your assumption?
No - based on fucking reality. People getting a job at Walmart or night security at a local bank face more scrutiny than obama did.
Well I am from Illinois and I can tell you I had never heard of Obama before he managed to become the Jr Senator from Illinois. Then there is the whole Jack Ryan debacle, divorce records being unsealed and other shit that basically gave the election to Obama.
Why should we even have to have this fucking debate about the guy allowed to order people to war?
Think about that. Its ok - he is a cool black guy in shades so its ok we know absolutely nothing about his background since toinsist on that is racist. ::) ::)
Fuck that - you guys wouldnt hire obama to fix a toilet in you house, yet hire him to be POTUS. Nice.
Why should we even have to have this fucking debate about the guy allowed to order people to war?
Think about that. Its ok - he is a cool black guy in shades so its ok we know absolutely nothing about his background since toinsist on that is racist. ::) ::)
Fuck that - you guys wouldnt hire obama to fix a toilet in you house, yet hire him to be POTUS. Nice.
Sounds like that Eddie Murphy movie. lol
I know this guy came out of nowhere and snagged a Senate seat, then got the presidency. He can't be an idiot just based on that.
I'd want to make sure he was a licensed and bonded plummer. I wouldn't care about his academic records. As far meeting the requirements for POTUS, which ones did he fail to meet to the satisfaction of the US Government?
I'm just trying to find the reasoning as to why OBama is obligated to show his academic records. So far here's what i've been told:
1. Because Bob Woodward says Obama thinks he's the smartest guy in the room
2. Because 333333 is willing to show his (Show me yours and I'll show you mine? sounds like there's some curiosity in 33333's hatred for Obama)
3. Because i wouldn't let Obama in my house if he was a plumber.
Yeah, 3333 lets file a law suit based on those 3 reasons!
Being an idiot is debatable, or he simply had the right handlers? Who knows
Yeah - and most people ask for references from other satisified people and customers who dealt with that plumber before giving them the job. Funny how Joe the Plumber went under more scrutiny than bama did now that we are discussing plumbers.
Face it - you would not hire obama even to mow your lawn with his record yet because he was a cool black dude who could string together a sentence and say over and over he was not bush you voted for him. You bought into a line of bullshit no different than a fat slob at 4 am in a bar being pursued by a slick taking player and went home and got date raped.
As for his "record" there is NOTHING at all. Please again tell mewhat you based your decision on to vote for him?
as for the BC issue - its another in long ine of bizarre mysteries than any other normal person would have been forced to fadeinto obscuritiy over.
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Yawn - we sholdnt need lawsuits to learn the most basic info about people capable of starting wars. Jesus - WTF is wrong with you?
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Yawn - we sholdnt need lawsuits to learn the most basic info about people capable of starting wars. Jesus - WTF is wrong with you?
Then start a movement and make it a law.
You should be rolling your eyes are yourself, using that crap for an argument.
Yawn - we know more about George Washington from 1776 and his background than bama but that is all fine with you guys. Face it - you morons who voted for this shit show have nothingut excuses and obfuscations now to justify the mess your stupidity unleashed of the rest of us.
Yeah - a national movement is needed to learn even the most basic things about people e entrust with the ability to start a war. ::) ::)
Yawn - we know more about George Washington from 1776 and his background than bama but that is all fine with you guys. Face it - you morons who voted for this shit show have nothingut excuses and obfuscations now to justify the mess your stupidity unleashed of the rest of us.
So 33333, are you saying there should be a academic requirement to be POTUS?
No - but if one claims to have went to occidential, columbia, and harvard law school, the least thing to expect would be that they release their records from said institutios to see if they are what they advertise themselves to be.
so far, your messiah has released nothig and has shown not a damn thing warranting the designation of him being some smart, brilliant, scholar. So again - why did you vote for this and based on what?
Why do you that 33333?
When you are pressed you start accusing me of seeing Obama as a messiah. When have i ever acted like he my messiah? do you think i am a Benny gimmick or something?
Back to your faltering argument:
What has Obama advertised himself to be?
And did he not go to those schools?
he likes doin that.. he says im lockstep with obama... when way before that ive told this assface that there like 5 things policy wise that i didnt like about obama.. i dont get into the obama is a communist shit.. so im a obamabot.. this fuckin guy
Are you freaking kidding? Seriously - Obama and his sycophantic lemmings positioned him as some con law scholar and perhaps the smartest potus since Lincoln. Based on what? Why he went to columbia and harvard and taught con law. Yet - he wont release those records and people who worked with him said he never did a god damnned thing.
At this point I believe obama was never qualified for columbia or harvard and was pushed along due to factors obviously unrelated to his performance.
I believe nothing was required of him and never he accomplished a damn thing. He was the cool black kid amongst guilt ridden white liberal leftists who cheered on his bullshit. This same circus act got him to POTUS and where we are today. I believe that 100%. i deal with attorneys every day who make obama seem like a bathroom attendant at best.
His refusal to release any records, at least to me, is an attempt to cover that up as well as other bizarre shit that he and most others know would resut in him never getting elected to anything. I aso believe he applied to college as a foreign exchange student from indonesia for eitheraid or affirmative action reasons.
Are you freaking kidding? Seriously - Obama and his sycophantic lemmings positioned him as some con law scholar and perhaps the smartest potus since Lincoln. Based on what? Why he went to columbia and harvard and taught con law. Yet - he wont release those records and people who worked with him said he never did a god damnned thing.
At this point I believe obama was never qualified for columbia or harvard and was pushed along due to factors obviously unrelated to his performance.
I believe nothing was required of him and never he accomplished a damn thing.
He was the cool black kid amongst guilt ridden white liberal leftists who cheered on his bullshit. This same circus act got him to POTUS and where we are today. I believe that 100%. i deal with attorneys every day who make obama seem like a bathroom attendant at best.
His refusal to release any records, at least to me, is an attempt to cover that up as well as other bizarre shit that he and most others know would resut in him never getting elected to anything. I aso believe he applied to college as a foreign exchange student from indonesia for eitheraid or affirmative action reasons.
If that's the case then Obama is the only cool kid in the country who gets that without having to play sports... Luckiest black kid on the planet.
I know people like obama and they are a fucking joke. .
You know some Presidents?
President of the local rotary club has more leadership experience than bama.
President of the local rotary club has more leadership experience than bama.
Oz,That's what I don't understand because they are essentially the same arguments.
333 would be the biggest 911 skeptic here - if it happened between 92 and 2000, or 2009 and the present.
Since it is a constitutional requirement to be a natural born citizen of the US, and his ability to hold office has been questioned, then I would say yes he is obligated to produce the long form BC. If nothing else than to put an end to this. As far as the rest it is at his discretion to do so.
I am sorry 333333, when people apply at Walmart they are required to provide all their academic records?
That's what I don't understand because they are essentially the same arguments.
this....
Many Hedge funds ask for SAT scores, GMAT scores, etc..GPA's...
It's not unheard of asking for grades.
If there is a recent change in policy and Hawaiians can no longer get a copy of their long form birth certificate, that sounds very suspect. I don't know of any other state where you can't get your long form BC upon request.
911 had far more gravity than this.I agree, it's too bad its a dying issue. As you know I for one support another investigation.
3000 dead americans, and anything more than an investigation one of the commisison members called 'a whitewash' was considered unpatriotic.
Sarah Obama said Barack Jr. passed through her hands as an orphan
Jefferson's Rebels ^ | Erica
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:14:30 AM by EricaD
Sarah Obama Said Barack Obama Jr. Was An Orphan in Kenya
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Sarah Obama said that Barack Obama passed through her hands as an orphan. How could that possibly happen?
Below you will find a fairly recent but undated article about Sarah Obama's humanitarian work with orphans and other vulnerable children over the course of her life.
In the Catholic Relief Services article, Mama Sarah, as she's affectionately called, opened her simple home to dozens of children "over the last 40 years." In addition, she is said to have received help for hundreds of other children. She clearly has dedicated her life to helping vulnerable children.
So strong has been public interest in Kogelo village since Barack Obama's election, that the Mama Sarah Obama Children Foundation was established to collect donations for these children. In contrast to the CRS article, Sarah's Foundation website says unequivocally that Mama Sarah has been tending children since 1945, which means she has been taking care of children for over 65 years.
"Since then to date her household has never missed an orphan or vulnerable child in pursuit of education."
That time frame is relevant to the issue of Barack Obama's early childhood because it means she was caring for children in 1961, the year of Obama's birth.
Why is this relevant? Because Sarah made this stunningly explicit remark on May 4, 2010 when she was awarded an honorary doctorate from the Tom Mboya Labour College in Kisumu:
"This is a show of blessing from God, since I have always dedicated my time to tend to the orphans. Even the US president passed through my hands," added the grandmother."
If indeed Barack Obama Jr. was born in her presence, and if he was born as a conjoined twin as has been suggested due to severe scars on his head, he might have been rejected by his natural mother. Who better than Sarah Obama to care for such a vulnerable child? Additional photos of Obama's scars available at the Daily Mail.
Sarah Obama's comment raises more questions and, not surprisingly, encourages speculation.
Arizona Senate passes Obama birther bill after boost from Donald Trump
Biz Journals ^ | 04/13/2011 | Mike Sunnucks
The Arizona Senate approved the so-called ‘birther’ bill requiring 2012 presidential candidates to prove they were born in the U.S. and are thus eligible to run for president.
The measure, House Bill 2177, is aimed at President Barack Obama and those on the political right who want him to produce a birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya, where his father if from.
The Arizona Legislature passed the bill 20-8 on a party-line vote in the State Senate with Republicans backing and Democrats opposing.
The measure includes some changes that allow for other documents beside birth certificates to be produced by presidential contenders. It now goes back to the Arizona House of Representatives for another vote. The House previously approved the birther bill without new Senate changes.
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Fact is that bama is hiding his records for a good reason - he knows info about his past would horrify most.
That's a fact? Really? A FACT?!
Come on dude... You know that's not true.
Yes - between ayeres, klahid rashidi, benradine dohrn, klalid mansour, wright, meetings with the socialist democrats, his bizarre missing records from occidental, columbia, and harvard, etc, he is hiding a ton of info.
Sorry TU - most of you who voted for obama bought into a scam and a lie.
Fact is that bama is hiding his records for a good reason - he knows info about his past would horrify most.
Its common sense! Someone comes to me and says:
Chris: "These assholes keep up with this crap - Pay the $15.00, release the records, and put this to bed"
or:
Chris: "We were just served with a summons and complaint in Federal Court challenging your eligibility to be POTUS based on your failure to release your recrods, challenging your NBC status, challenging your birth story as reported thus far, it willcost $450 an hour and run potentially hundreds of thousands to defend and potentially require EBT's, discovery, etc"
Guess which one I choose?
Its common sense! Someone comes to me and says:
Chris: "These assholes keep up with this crap - Pay the $15.00, release the records, and put this to bed"
or:
Chris: "We were just served with a summons and complaint in Federal Court challenging your eligibility to be POTUS based on your failure to release your recrods, challenging your NBC status, challenging your birth story as reported thus far, it willcost $450 an hour and run potentially hundreds of thousands to defend and potentially require EBT's, discovery, etc"
Guess which one I choose?
Yeah 44% at gallup. Its really working. ::)
He is basically saying to all you birtherS SMOKE MY POLE.
No - the moronic taxpayer paying for this farce is who gets the shaft.
Obama is the con man of the milienium.
No - the moronic taxpayer paying for this farce is who gets the shaft.
Obama is the con man of the milienium.
That distinction goes to Bush and his WMD dance.
The Pole position is all Birthers.
Yawn - do you include Powell, the UN, France, Hillary, Kerry, Bill clinton in that too?
Snore......
Without BUSH and his pitch it would have never happened.
If the state of Hawaii now only provides the COLB and not the original BC, then the various state legislatures attempting to force candidates to prove they are a natural born citizen are wasting their time (as is Trump). Obama will never be required to produce the original BC if the state will not give it to him.
Its pure nonsense - if the state claims they have it on record - then it is available for review. Its not subject to privacy like divorce records etc unless of course bama wants it kept secret.Catch the budget speech today, buddy?
So the moron Bush was able to outsmart powell, hllary, kerry, the UN, France, Blair, etc? Funny - Hillary and Kerry are widely regarded as geniuses by the left.Use your head 3333333
Catch the budget speech today, buddy?
Obama was owning you, this way and that.
Its pure nonsense - if the state claims they have it on record - then it is available for review. Its not subject to privacy like divorce records etc unless of course bama wants it kept secret.Is there a law stating he has too?
If the state of Hawaii now only provides the COLB and not the original BC, then the various state legislatures attempting to force candidates to prove they are a natural born citizen are wasting their time (as is Trump). Obama will never be required to produce the original BC if the state will not give it to him.
Is there a law stating he has too?
So then STFU, already. ::)
Its pure nonsense - if the state claims they have it on record - then it is available for review. Its not subject to privacy like divorce records etc unless of course bama wants it kept secret.
It's not available for review if the state says they're not releasing anyone's original BC. I think a BC should be treated like a medical record. Those aren't public.
Yeah ozmo - whatsoever - bama hiding behind hyper-techinica administrative regs to conceal his records is to be applauded when it is obvious he is hiding a shit load of ino. nice.
Likre I said - you do more research on the plumber coming in to your home than who you vote for POTUS on.
Hiding? No, he's ramming his pole in your Birther face. He owns you.
And your plumber argument is pathetic concsidering the scrutiny presidential candidates are subject too.
Really - what scrutiny was bama subjected to?
Yeah that's right, the entire republican party did no research on Obama.
No enterprising journalist took the opportunity to dig deep to find something news worthy
None of our presidential candidates are ever researched during a race. ::)
You got your head jammed so Far up your ass today.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Eat another bowl of dumb fucks this morning?
RECORDS NOT RELEASED:
Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
Bro - generally I like you - but like i said - you would give more scrutiny to a plumber in your house than the same asshole sending your kid off to war.I will always change my opinion so that you will like me.
Think about that.
Bro - generally I like you - but like i said - you would give more scrutiny to a plumber in your house than the same asshole sending your kid off to war.
Think about that.
Yeah - but when was this admn reg adopted? hhhhmmmm? A woman just got her real BC sent to her from HA last month that contains far more than the bogus crap bama put out.
I'm not arguing legality - I'm arguing common sense and reality
You Hawaiians are up to something, I know it! :D
Even though I am a lawyer I don't vased my opinios on what is legal or not.
Yes. I think you are giving him a pass on this when its mnot warranted.
RECORDS NOT RELEASED:
Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
Sorry I don't give too much credibility to amateur vids. Can you give me some cliff notes of important parts that I can cross check. I am not going to listen 30 minutes to some stupid tea party bitch.
Or os this what the 30 min vid is about. How his father left CT in 1965? And 12 years later Obama applies for a social security card? ::)
Also just so you understand.....
- the governor of Hawaii says his BC is legit.
- the social security administration says he's legit
- leaders of the republican party says he's legit
- no one has come forward with anything substantial except weak ass conjecture
- the 042 explanation is fine for the SSA and it's fine for me
- what ever our government does to vet a president says he's legit.
So some fucking fat whore bitch from the tea party who hired a PI means jack shit and her findings don't amount to a steaming pile of dog crap.
Listen to it - its the Privite Investigator who investigated this whole issue on the SS and puts to bed all the excuses you made for him having a CT number. Its not an anomoly whatsoever. She goes over all of that and said its impossible for Bama to have a CT number based on his Hawaiian birth unless he et up residence in CT at the time he applied for the SS number.Got a trans script? I am not going to listen for 30 min. Maybe time codes?
So again - you didnt debunk a damn thing on this.
Wow.... you have to accept the fact that the leaders of the GOP, all our intel agencies, the entire federal govt, they're all "in on it".
33, do you accept this?
Got a trans script? I am not going to listen for 30 min. Maybe time codes?
Like I said, my info was right from the SSA site.
Yawn - she goes over that in very explicit detail. Funny - bama's sister has a HA SS number.
There nothing funny about his sister having a HI SSN when you understand how Obama got his. So what's your point?
Is this some of the weak ass pink nail polish wearing arguments in the vid? If so, I won't waste my time.
I predict if you do ever serve up some of the points in the vid I will be able to shred that whore mount like a wicked awesome pulled pork roast.
Serve it up them, at least give me some time marks so that i don't have to listen to this whore mount the whole time.
I predict she is nothing but weak ass arguments an conjecture.
PS i will gone for a while today, so don't take my silence as anything but. And it will give you time to go back and listen to her nonsense and get the time marks.
- what ever our government does to vet a president says he's legit.
So some fucking fat whore bitch from the tea party who hired a PI means jack shit and her findings don't amount to a steaming pile of dog crap.
“Concerning the production or release of an original birth certificate, it should be noted that there is no federal law, regulation, rule, guideline, or requirement that a candidate for federal office produce his or her original birth certificate, or a certified copy of the record of live birth, to any official of the United States government; nor is there a requirement for federal candidates to publicly release such personal record or documentation. Furthermore, there is no specific federal agency or office that ‘vets’ candidates for federal office as to qualifications or eligibility prior to return.”
Leave it up to the government to screw it up. No federal official checked his eligibility???
When you get a chance listen for yourself.
Are her arguments so complex you can't use them?
Leave it up to the government to screw it up. No federal official checked his eligibility???
Actually - there is too much detail for me to remmber and accurately post. I'm not kidding or being funny about that. She goes into a ot of stuff on SS numbers.
Not surprised about this. Still, all the other points i listed are good enough for me.
You don't think during the campaign or after, the GOP with all their money, had people researching this?
If so, no wonder we are in the mess our country is in.
Also just so you understand.....
- the governor of Hawaii says his BC is legit.
- the social security administration says he's legit
- leaders of the republican party says he's legit
- no one has come forward with anything substantial except weak ass conjecture
- the 042 explanation is fine for the SSA and it's fine for me
- what ever our government does to vet a president says he's legit.
So some fucking fat whore bitch from the tea party who hired a PI means jack shit and her findings don't amount to a steaming pile of dog crap.
How can you research records that are sealed? Congress dropped the ball on this when they had their chance to vet Obama.
Which records would those be? Birth records? My understanding is they are sealed to the public. However, for the state of Hawaii to issue a COLB they would have to verify those records.
I am not all to concerned about what Obama did in kindergarden.
MB I wasn't talking about the democratic party from Hawaii.
Look at these points:
1. The governor fo Hawaii says it's legit
2. The Hawaiin government says it's legit ( hence the COLB)
3. The social security administration says it's legit in 1977 when they likely received a copy of th long form
This is all good enough.
Pointing out that the DPH didnt do whatever is meaningless here.
So notes werE sent to the SSA in 1977? Doubt it.
No one knows what was sent! It definately was not a COLB created in 2007 correct?
So you are saying the SSA verification process is part of the conpiracy too?
No one freaking knows what the hll went on. He went to college at 18 at Occidental in CA as "Barry Soetoro" but some how got a CT SS# at 17 under Barack Obama?
WTF is that? At this pioint I am thinking he is running two separate identities at the same time.
The SSN thing has been soundly debunked. And he got it at 15 not 17. the area number aren't 100%. The zip codes are off by only 1 number which is a 1 in a million chance and expressly explains why his number is 042.
I don't know about the Occidental stuff but i am willing to bet there's a bunch of misconceptions, speculation, conjecture etc with that too.
Did you ever read how I explained how he got a SSN from with a area from CT?
I am starting to think you didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing up his sister as an argument. Which by the way is completely invalid either way you look at it.
It's kind of a dumb argument actually ( the sister thing)
Did you ever read how I explained how he got a SSN from with a area from CT?
I am starting to think you didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't keep bringing up his sister as an argument. Which by the way is completely invalid either way you look at it.
It's kind of a dumb argument actually ( the sister thing)
YeI did and its addressed in the clip I posted and thoroughly discredited on about 4 different counts.
YeI did and its addressed in the clip I posted and thoroughly discredited on about 4 different counts.
MB I wasn't talking about the democratic party from Hawaii.
Look at these points:
1. The governor fo Hawaii says it's legit
2. The Hawaiin government says it's legit ( hence the COLB)
3. The social security administration says it's legit in 1977 when they likely received a copy of th long form
This is all good enough.
Pointing out that the DPH didnt do whatever is meaningless here.
And 33333 I am nit relying on a needle in a hay stack type of chance. The needle was already found and the fact he has a area number consistent with CT proves it.
Uh no it's not. You don't even understand that the numbers 042 don't mean sh*t. The government says it means basically nothing, the fact remains you've lost on the BC and now have moved onto other bullsh*t. Can't wait for this thread to be moved cause it's nothing more than 333 repeating lies.
Yeah - listen to the clip yourself. his story is impossible also because of a falsified SS registration she proves it utter horseshit as well.
::) Why waste time listening to obvious bullsh*t that has been debunked.
Gosh what a waste of life when you look back and think - i spent 4+ years of my life researching rubbish.
That is pure nonsense. Pure fucking bullshit. You are trying to assume that the 1 in a 1,000,000 ishis ciorcumstances which it is not.No, you don't get it, you Don't understand it. I don't know if you are just acting dumb or what.
Again listen to the clip. She goes point by point on this.
No, you don't get it, you Don't understand it. I don't know if you are just acting dumb or what.
Now understand this 3333...
this can be done with like 90% of the shit you argue and post... but the majority dont want to put the effort OzmO just put in to argue with your dumb ass..
he comes on this site,he has to be playing fu#king dumb, their is no way a lawyer is that fu#king stupid
Yawn. If you voted for obama you are not in a position to point fingers.and i can't wait to vote for him again, just to keep you busy for another four years of fun here !
Arizona Senate passes Obama birther bill after boost from Donald Trump
Biz Journals ^ | 04/13/2011 | Mike Sunnucks
The Arizona Senate approved the so-called ‘birther’ bill requiring 2012 presidential candidates to prove they were born in the U.S. and are thus eligible to run for president.
The measure, House Bill 2177, is aimed at President Barack Obama and those on the political right who want him to produce a birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya, where his father if from.
The Arizona Legislature passed the bill 20-8 on a party-line vote in the State Senate with Republicans backing and Democrats opposing.
The measure includes some changes that allow for other documents beside birth certificates to be produced by presidential contenders. It now goes back to the Arizona House of Representatives for another vote. The House previously approved the birther bill without new Senate changes.
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Sounds like all Obama has to provide to comply with this is the COLB.
My question is, how does a single state require the federal government to comply?
They're only requiring an individual to comply to be placed on that state's ballot.. Oh ok thanks
. Oh ok thanks
Yawn. If you voted for obama you are not in a position to point fingers.
No response to Ozmo's assertion of the youtube "proof"...usually you would be all over that.. you just gave a meaningless 1 sentence response.. seems like someone is tucking tailWhat amazes me more than anying is that 33333 made this vid sound like is was something. He said it like addressed the SSN thing point by point and was too complicated for him to list these points.
What amazes me more than anying is that 33333 made this vid sound like is was something. He said it like addressed the SSN thing point by point and was too complicated for him to list these points.
That stupid bitch on the vid did nothing of the sort and frankly she came across (as shown in the shredding i gave her) as some racist senile old white women.
And 3333 fell for it hook line and sinker.
I appreciate 333333's position on Obama but do we need to fall for and stand behind stupid shit?
It also cracks me up that any time he seems backed into a corner he just doses the ole "you are a kneepadder, you voted for Obama BS". Which shows desperation.
I'm still waiting for the explanbation how you claim you debunked the ss number thing other than offering a one in a million scenario.
Its the first three numbers that matter.
Again you are making yourself look like an idiot. maybe you need to re-read what i wrote.
ZIP CODE
Again - my first three numbers to my SS are 127, same with all my buddies, same with my sister, same with her friends, who were all born in the bronx.
Your scenario is assuming an anomoly took place with bama, which it utterly amusing considering his sister has HA SS number as well. .
Again - my first three numbers to my SS are 127, same with all my buddies, same with my sister, same with her friends, who were all born in the bronx.
Your scenario is assuming an anomoly took place with bama, which it utterly amusing considering his sister has HA SS number as well. .
Well, my brother and sister were all born in the same zipcode as I was and our are all different, so this theory of zip code is ridiculously flawed.
I am not sure what you are saying here.
Its not a theory. Its a high probability it was either a clerical error or was hand writing error. (apps were hand written back in 1977)
The zip code for Obama address in Hawaii in 1977 was 96814
the zip code for Danbury, CT in 1977 was 06814
Did his sister and him apply on the same form at the same time?
You are just being an idiot.
Well, I'm saying that even if they were in the same zipcode, doesn't mean anything... Like I said, my sister, brother and I all have different first 3 digits of our socials, although all being born in the exact same zipcode.
That's also because it isn't 100% as per the SSA.
33333, premise is that the area number (the first 3 numbers on your SSA) are always from where you were born.
Which supports my argument that the CT number Obama has isn't indicative of were he was born.
Again - no one freaking knows. The whole thing is beyond bizarre. Did he wait to apply to take a job or something? did he wait to apply for college? What name did he apply under?
Here is another WTF - he entered Occidental as "Barry Soetoro" yes the Selective Service Registration he put out says Barack Obama? what passport did he travel on? He reigsted in Indnesia as Barry Soetoro. Did he do a formal name change? how did he travel back and forth between the countries without a SS or passport before 15 y/o? hhhmmmm?
The whole thing is beyond explanation.
Again - no one freaking knows.
IF it were just one thing with Obama (SS#), one could just chalk it off to innocent human error - it happens. But Obama's history is filled with far too many quirks to just brush them aside. Obama has a history that has been scrubbed and being rewritten. I've watched it happen over the last 3 years. Yes, there are flat out fabricated stories out there - most likely by operatives trying to hide the cover-up.
Still waiting to hear the Australia story and the scholarship story which Obama slipped out recently that is no where in the "official" history, nor his 2 autobiographies.
Still, the issue is not the birth certificate, or the lack of one. The issue is his alleged father being a British subject and Obama's dual citizenship AT BIRTH which disqualifies him from being a "natural born Citizen" as required to be POTUS.
if it's released and it shows Obama was born in Hawaii, I wonder if the birthers will voice any type of "oops, sorry, we were way off base and wrong" or will they just magically vanish without a word?'Course not. They'll segue into some other conspiracy angle, and not again mention the BC issue - like it never even occurred.
Exactly! WTF i this so called "scholarship" Obama said he got? The one from the House of Saud? To Harvard, Columbia, or Occidental?
hhhh? ? ? ?
IF it were just one thing with Obama (SS#), one could just chalk it off to innocent human error - it happens. But Obama's history is filled with far too many quirks to just brush them aside. Obama has a history that has been scrubbed and being rewritten. I've watched it happen over the last 3 years. Yes, there are flat out fabricated stories out there - most likely by operatives trying to hide the cover-up.
Still waiting to hear the Australia story and the scholarship story which Obama slipped out recently that is no where in the "official" history, nor his 2 autobiographies.
Still, the issue is not the birth certificate, or the lack of one. The issue is his alleged father being a British subject and Obama's dual citizenship AT BIRTH which disqualifies him from being a "natural born Citizen" as required to be POTUS.
Still, the issue is not the birth certificate, or the lack of one. The issue is his alleged father being a British subject and Obama's dual citizenship AT BIRTH which disqualifies him from being a "natural born Citizen" as required to be POTUS.
If he released his records like his bc, passports, school records, etc, this would all go away.
the hawaii BC topic could be moved forward if someone, born in Hawaii, released their actual birth certificate. that way we can confirm they are available by the person in question.
are there no 'birthers' in HA? they should post theirs and prove that the BC is actually available. the story has it that the Health dept. has the actual one on file,but only the person mentioned can see it; they cant have a copy of it. If this argument is wrong, it would be easy for a birther to publish theirs and debunk this argument.
{this is the 1% post; the rest will be the 99% other kind!}
I already posted one in this thread earlier chad. Check it out.
Debunking the birther claim
By: CNN's Ed Hornick
Washington (CNN) – Developer and reality show host Donald Trump has been pushing the claim that President Obama was not born in the U.S. - a myth that has dogged the president since he took office.
CNN has investigated these claims and here are the key points:
Certificate of live birth
The Obama team and the state of Hawaii released a certification of live birth, which documents the president’s birth on August 4, 1961, in Honolulu. This is not the original birth certificate. In Hawaii and other states, original birth certificates are not released when requested later.
CNN has seen a copy of the document and verified that it is official.
The certificate, officials say, allows a person born in Hawaii to get a driver's license, purchase land and obtain a U.S. passport.
What about the signature?
The so-called “birthers” say there's no signature or raised seal on the live birth certificate. But the group FactCheck.org, which viewed the original document, took a picture of the back of it and found there is a stamped signature and a raised seal.
Where’s the original birth certificate?
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, says she has personally viewed the president's original vital records and verified that he was born in Hawaii.
Former Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, a Republican, has been quoted as saying, "I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records at the Department of Health. We issued a news release at the time saying the president was, in fact, born at Kapi'olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that is just a fact."
Newspaper birth announcement
The announcement of Obama's birth appeared in the Honolulu Advertiser on August 13, 1961, and a day later in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin: “Mr. And Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”
Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Star-Advertiser in July 2009 that vital statistics such as birth announcements were sent to the newspapers by the Health Department, which received the information from the hospital. These announcements were not sent in by the general public, Okubu said.
Current governor weighs in
Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie, a Democrat, was a close friend of the Obamas and has repeatedly said he was around during the future president’s birth and childhood.
What about his grandma’s claims?
Trump makes the claim that Obama's stepgrandmother in Kenya, Sarah Obama, said in an interview that he was born in Kenya. But the interview was done by a man characterized as a “street preacher” through a translator and there appears to be confusion over her answer.
The translator then came back and said Sarah Obama was saying that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Was bama's mama even married to bho sr? She was 18 when she got prego? Was it a shotgun wedding?
trump believes the word of a poor, senile kenyan foreigner with an obvious ax to grind (why won't my millionaire grandson get me out of this shithole) over the word of Repub govt Lingle and a slew of others.
To agree with trump, you have to say that out loud. "I take the word of a pissed off, senile kenyan over that of numerous American govt officials.
"But now, the Hawaii state government, led by Republican Governor Linda Lingle, has made a public statement of the facts of Obama’s birth information, and she has said she personally saw his live birth certificate in the archives, and that no more will the state government react to the nearly 50 requests a month for proof about Obama’s birth."
SORRY - But she is a tool for selling obama's big kenyan lie.
Vote for a "real" conservative, brother.
trump believes the word of a poor, senile kenyan foreigner with an obvious ax to grind (why won't my millionaire grandson get me out of this shithole) over the word of Repub govt Lingle and a slew of others.
To agree with trump, you have to say that out loud. "I take the word of a pissed off, senile kenyan over that of numerous American govt officials.
04.15.2011. Orly Taitz interview with CNN John King.
Apr 15, 2011
Note how Mrs. Taitz holds up the papers in each hand. It's almost as if we are looking at the painting, 'Orly Taitz and her Exhibits'. I think that that was done deliberately. This was a great interview. Mrs. Taitz came across effectively and John King gave her time to speak. All around not a bad interview at all.
ha ha ha - when in doubt - throw the race card out there.
they pulled that shit on 911 skeptics all the time.
nah, it's when opponents of the 911 quesitons would shout "you probably doubt the holocaust too" or something like that.
completely unrelated, but one of the techniques used to discredit a belief without addressing its points.
You've heard birtherism compared to 911 skepticism all the time, haven't you? They try to attach the same stigma to it - without even looking at the Qs that the birthers have.
Look i favor a full investigation into 911 myself. But my thought is that it will unearth sheer incompetence at all levels going back a few years more than a inside job CT.
let's keep this going until 3 days before the election.
then BO will release his long form; all will be in order.
there goes any chance for the Rep. all that time was wasted on a non issue.
well played, Mr. Obama ! :D
If he released his records like his bc, passports, school records, etc, this would all go away.
not in your mind....you would simply switch to this being a vast left-wing conspiracy to falsify documents in order to legitimize Obama
hey, that's your take. there are things like molten steel under WTC7 and huge insider training betting on the airline stock to fall (put options) which were specifically not investivgated because - according to the 911 commission - they had nothing to do with Al-quida.
The responsibility for the events of 911 were placed 100% on Al-Q. This fits politically and allowed for the war. But Atta sure as shit wasn't betting on the stock markets ;) And the $ from pakistan was ignored too.
it is what it is. We don't want to derail this into a 911 thread. The main point is that critics of the birther movement will cry racism, etc - to try to associate birthers with something much worse than "we just wanna see if Obama is legally able to hold that job". The minute the media (that includes FOX, yall...) translates birtherism to racism, it's an off-limits topic. Just like 911 is now.
333 why do you keep posting articles from wnd? It's a right wing birther site. Is that the ONLY source you have? I mean seriously. It's as repetitive as your nonsense that Hawaii is lying.
::) ::)no, because it doesn't interest me.
Question - Obama eluded to a supposed Scholarship he got for school that helped him pay his way. Ca you give me some details on that?
exactly the point I have made..all of his postings come from fringe right-wing/ conservative/crazy blog sites..they have no legitimacy..its just another guys opinion
duh.. its his "PROOF"
::) ::)
Where is a duly signed BC from your messiah or hospital generated BC or record?
I dont give a fuck.. go on fact finders or some shit.. do your clients know that Obama consumes your thoughts.. What he eats for dinner, where he is born, what his wife looks like,..the bick he rides, who he prays too..
man is he paying rent in your brain because he is living there
Dr. Orly Taitz: Donald Trump Will Get the Republican Nominationah, yes, the one and the only orly !
(Apr. 19, 2011) — On April 18, 2011, The Post & Email spoke with Dr. Orly Taitz just prior to the announced veto by Arizona Governor Janice Brewer of the legislation which would have required candidates for the office of president to provide proof of “natural born Citizenship” status.
Since that time, Taitz has launched a recall campaign against Brewer which can be signed by any Arizona registered voter.
On April 15, Taitz was interviewed by John King of CNN, who labeled her “the leading figure in the birther movement.” Before the interview commenced, King expressed skepticism over the contention that the Arizona bill was not “aimed” at Barack Hussein Obama.
During the telecast, King admitted that what he called the “Certificate of Live Birth,” which he held up to the cameras, is not a complete birth record. He asked his other guest, a pollster, if “the president has to do something more proactively” to convince the public that he was born in Hawaii.
When Taitz held up documents which she claimed proved that Obama is using a stolen social security number, the pollster interrupted Taitz and claimed that her statements arose from racism. When he asked Taitz if the eligibility question would have arisen if Obama had been white, Taitz answered, “Yes.”
“You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism and what made us exceptional. You have a real opportunity to talk about taxes and spending. Instead, you’re gonna waste time on the birth certificate? I understand. I personally think he’s a citizen. I think he was born here. I don’t think he was a Manchurian Candidate from birth. But, if you want to, great. You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election.”
guess who said that
Well this should be interesting. What happens should Corsi be able to prove Obama is not eligible to be POTUS?
it won't make a difference....people will believe what they want to believe.....the vast majority of people believe that Obama is a citizen...if he wasn't. the FBI and the rest of the government would NEVER have allowed him to run for president....people like you are set in their ways and will NEVER admit they were wrong..thats whats wrong with this country now..I still have not seen a post from you where you admit you are wrong about something, or of you being contrite when you are caught in a contradiction..you just keep going straight ahead with your arguments no matter how illogical they are
You know you are anywhere near as smart as you think you are, just so we get that out in the open.
don't claim to be...but I do know when I am wrong I admit it..or I am contrite when caught in a contradiction...or I admit when someone other than myself has a point and is right about something....waiting from the same from you
First what did I post that was incorrect?
"Well this should be interesting. What happens should Corsi be able to prove Obama is not eligible to be POTUS?"
That the book isn't going to be interesting? The rest is framed in the form a question, so.....
Definalty not bama. He hates this country and thinks its no more exceptional than greece or the uk.
Can't wait till corsi comes out w his book and we can deport muBarack to kenya or indonesia.
“You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism and what made us exceptional. You have a real opportunity to talk about taxes and spending. Instead, you’re gonna waste time on the birth certificate? I understand. I personally think he’s a citizen. I think he was born here. I don’t think he was a Manchurian Candidate from birth. But, if you want to, great. You’re out of your mind if you think that is a winning argument for the next election.”
can someone tell me who that is
Beck does not speak for me and was already threatened once by soros.LMAO..
LMAO..
Beck is in it to.. LMAO
This happened about a year and a half ago at a resturant in NYC. Beck talked about it for weeks.so the gov of hawaii is lying in the post that BeachBum quoted?
so the gov of hawaii is lying in the post that BeachBum quoted?
great post blacken. most common sense repubs seem to agree with that. obama's getting away with everything else cause repubs are just yelling about the birth cert.
Beck does not speak for me and was already threatened once by soros.
Yet you have quoted Beck for many years when you have tried to prove a point...WOWWWWW....the hypocrisy
Gov of Hawaii cant keep his own bullshit straight. He has told about 5 different stories so far and said he cant find a BC for obama
He set out to ut an end to this and said he gave up when all he could find were some notes scribbled somewhereabout bama's birth.
Barack Obamabirth certificatebirthersJerom e CorsiUS Obama Birth Certificate
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Special to the Examiner
.Jerome Corsi, PhD has another book coming out. Of course, it’s about President Barack Obama’s birth certificate. Because, what else is there to talk about? Right? Certainly not Libya. We’re still at 'kinetic military action' with them, right?
Corsi thrives on these types of things: conspiracy-theory-esque issues concerning liberal politicians (see: Obama Nation and Swift Boat.) So it should come as no surprise that Corsi has grabbed the “birther” cause by the horns and run with it, with the forthcoming title, Where's the Birth Certificate? (sigh). But will it do any good? Almost certainly not. Here’s the description of the book (via Amazon.com):
Over the course of more than three years of research, Jerome Corsi assembles the evidence that Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible for the office of the presidency. As a New York Times bestselling author, Harvard graduate, and investigative journalist, Corsi exposes in detail key issues with Obama's eligibility, including the fact the President has spent millions of dollars in legal fees to avoid providing the American people with something as simple as a long-form birth certificate. The eligibility issue has major ramifications for every American, and through Corsi's in-depth research, a clear, concise, and compelling case is made for a return to Founding Father principles and transparent, constitutional government, starting from the top down.
Prognosticate as to the book’s contents as you will, but there’s a larger issue here. Why is the Right at large so deeply concerned and invested in this?
I get that the president of the United States must be a natural born American citizen. And I get that Obama’s been withholding when it comes to his long-form birth certificate. But, the man spent several years running for president, and this has always been an issue. I’m sure he has his ducks in a row.
Whether you think there’s a birth certificate or not—indeed, whether there actually is a birth certificate or not—should be moot at this point. And yet a large percentage of America and the Right in particular have become obsessed with it.
And it’s one of the best things that could have happened to President Obama and his allies. Millions are consumed with the birth certificate issue. Legislation has been proposed concerning it, books are being written about it, keyboards have been worn thin with the amount of articles dashed off about it, and it’s a small wonder that anybody at FOX News has a functioning voice after all the shouting that’s been done about it. And meanwhile, real issues float by, with little notice.
Instead of thumping the birther drum, the Right would do well to regroup and focus all that energy on actual legislation and policy that will affect us and affect us greatly, instead of spending all our time tilting at windmills.
Because at the end of the day, whether or not you believe Obama is eligible to be president (I happen to think he is), he is still going to be president. And his policies are going to affect the country.
Corsi’s book isn’t going to tell you where Obama’s birth certificate is…or where it isn’t. It will not definitively answer the question of Obama’s citizenship. That’s almost a guarantee. What it will do is stir the pot some more. It will incite anger. But it will be fruitless, directionless anger.
And all the while, the pressing concerns of the day get passed over. If I were President Obama, I’d never produce my birth certificate. It’s a ready-made deflector shield for his controversial policies. Or a shiny object used to distract children.
this sums it up exactly. right on the money ;D
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Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion-zone/2011/04/oh-look-shiny-birth-certificate#ixzz1K5HmLJN5
Gov of Hawaii cant keep his own bullshit straight. He has told about 5 different stories so far and said he cant find a BC for obamacan you list the 5
He set out to ut an end to this and said he gave up when all he could find were some notes scribbled somewhereabout bama's birth.
can you list the 5
Gov of Hawaii cant keep his own bullshit straight. He has told about 5 different stories so far and said he cant find a BC for obama
He set out to ut an end to this and said he gave up when all he could find were some notes scribbled somewhereabout bama's birth.
Lies. You're a lying little bitch.
The governor couldn't release anything nor authorize the opening of Obama's health file without CONSENT. He is still bound by the laws of privacy and just wanting to know is not good enough.
Eat sh*t lying bitch.
He said all he could find were scribbled notes on this. Additionally - donest he confirm, by our own post - that bama is withholding something on this?
The book is now Number 1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=sv_b_3
The CTer in me has to wonder if the author assigns a portion of book sales as a 'promotional fee' to drudge! LOL
their headline didn't deliver any news. it was nothing but an advertisement for birther stuff. I pity and laugh at anyone who took the bait and ordered the book. Fcking sheep.
Video: Donald Trump On CNN; Americans Will Be Very Surprised By What I've Found...
Obama Release Your Records ^ | April 21, 2011 | Obama Release Your Records
Video: Donald Trump Takes On CNN Over Obama's Birth Certificate: Americans Will Be Very Surprised By What I've Found. The Segment Aired 4/21/2011
Snippet via CNN: TRENDING: Trump says he'll reveal 'interesting things' on Obama
Donald Trump is giving few details about the investigation he claims to have launched in Hawaii to get to the bottom of where President Obama was born, but the business mogul told CNN Thursday Americans will be "very surprised" by what he has found.
"We're looking into it very, very strongly. At a certain point in time I'll be revealing some interesting things," Trump said on CNN's American Morning. -Source.
(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords. blogspot.com ...
Cue 333's nonsense about liberal jews and seinfeld being one of them. ::)
Seinfeld doesn't want to be associated with a nut job which is what Trump is.
I know and deal with more liberal, guilt ridden, annoying, weak, disgusting, communist piece of shit liberal jews before 10 am each day than you will in a life time.
and exactly why are Hews guilt-ridden???..explain
And they are apparently very weak and communist as well.
333 would you describe their political leanings as liberal?
Communist
So they both liberal and communist.
Gotcha.
Yes. Think the following:
Carl levin
Jerrold Nadler
Barney Frank
Barbara Boxer
Wasserman Schultz
Gary Ackerman
Anthony Wiener
Charles Schumer
Diane Fianstein
etc etc etc etc.
Seinfeld cancels on Trump after Obama comments
CNN Entertainment ^ | April 21, 2011
Donald Trump's "birther" comments are no joke for Jerry Seinfeld.
The 56-year-old comedian has canceled his appearance at a benefit for Donald Trump’s Eric Trump Foundation because the real estate mogul has been questioning whether President Obama was born in America.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
Seinfeld was expected to attend the September 13 event benefiting St. Jude’s Children’s Research Hospital, but his rep tells CNN that Seinfeld has indeed pulled out of the engagement because of the remarks Trump has been making about the President.
Trump responded to Seinfeld’s move with a letter, writing, "I just learned you canceled a show for my son's charity, The Eric Trump Foundation, which benefits the St. Jude's Children's Research Hospital (children with cancer) because of the fact that you think I am being very aggressive with respect to President Obama, who is doing an absolutely terrible job as our leader - just look at Libya, our economy, gas, food, and clothing prices and maybe you will understand what is going on!"
It’s not so much that Seinfeld pulled out of the benefit, Trump goes on, although “the children of St. Jude are very disappointed" and "Bret Michaels, disgusted by what happened, is taking over."
"What I do feel badly about is that I agreed to do, and did, your failed show, 'The Marriage Ref,' even though I thought it was absolutely terrible,” Trump wrote. “Despite its poor ratings, I didn't cancel on you like you canceled on my son and St. Jude. I only wish I did."
Seinfeld had agreed to do the benefit back in January, but according to his manager, he became “increasingly uncomfortable” with Trump’s questioning of Obama’s citizenship.....
(Excerpt) Read more at marquee.blogs.cnn.com ...
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Typical.
This does not make Trump look good. If he was just Trump the private citizen, I'm o.k. with this. But Trump the leader of the free world, commander in chief, etc.? Not if he is acting like this.
So to be clear -well written, sir.
Trump, now facing tough Qs in interviews (softball time is over), looking very unsure with Qs about actual issues...
Trump, now facing criticism from RINOs and tea partiers alike...
Trump, now being ostracized by those in his industry because of his outlier beliefs...
Trump suddenly realizes his 15 minutes are almost up - he jumped the shark a little soon - has decided he'll change the subject from birtherism to a feud with Seinfeld.
Sorry, I hope Jerry doesn't "swing down" to the level of this attention whore leech trump.
Fox Business: Alan Keyes Discusses Natural Born Citizen Issue - 4/21/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xTBTaaCYU&feature=player_embedded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3xTBTaaCYU&feature=player_embedded)
Uploaded by BirtherReportDotCom on Apr 21, 2011
LINKS: Fox Business Network: Dr. Alan Keyes discusses The Citizen Vs. Natural Born Citizen Issue And The Courts Evasion Of The Obama Eligibility Issue. Reminder: Dr. Keyes', et. al., lawsuit against Obama will have oral arguments on May 2, 2011 at 9am, in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, Pasadena division, courtroom 1. More details at link - 4/21/2011
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/fox-business-goes-birther-alan-keyes-on.html (http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/04/fox-business-goes-birther-alan-keyes-on.html)
the power of advertising.
repeat the same thing over and over till people believe it.
fox news has made billions from it. ;)
R u a birther ?
Of course he isn't. Births take place in vaginas.well played, sir ! ;)
Even rev graham came out today and said bama should release his records.yet another reason to ignore this non issue.
Trump being further ostracized from his peers - both politically and in the entertainment industry.
Is what an actor says really important? They spend their whole lives pretending to be someone else. More over estimated view of self importance
lol.. i agree.. but when Clint Eastwood said someting Anti Obama. The Right on this board went nuts.. as if Got himself spoke
Is what an actor says really important? They spend their whole lives pretending to be someone else. More over estimated view of self importance
well done, sir.
Get off my lawn!
You just described Trump perfectly ;)
Trump does indeed have a overestimated amount of self importance, but that does not negate the fact that he is a successful business man and brings more to the table than an idiot tube personality
Trump has become an idiot tube personality...
Compared to Obama he looks like George Washington.
lol.. i agree.. but when Clint Eastwood said someting Anti Obama. The Right on this board went nuts.. as if Got himself spoke
exactly!!!...but the idiots on here are so into their own way of thinking they can't see the hypocrisy they spew every day..which is why they are hysterical to laugh at
Andre - are you a birther?
I'm a birther in that I wish you were never born ;D
How does it feel knowing I cancel out your vote?
Trump: Obama wasn't qualified for Ivy League
(AP) – 46 minutes ago
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLwU-RlIyzUA_sZCs1KLt6WiKmCA?docId=292f4280ef89473ca40a7329ce4cc829
NEW YORK (AP) — Real estate mogul Donald Trump suggested in an interview Monday that President Barack Obama had been a poor student who did not deserve to be admitted to the Ivy League universities he attended. Trump, who is mulling a bid for the Republican presidential nomination, offered no proof for his claim but said he would continue to press the matter as he has the legitimacy of the president's birth certificate.
"I heard he was a terrible student, terrible. How does a bad student go to Columbia and then to Harvard?" Trump said in an interview with The Associated Press. "I'm thinking about it, I'm certainly looking into it. Let him show his records."
Obama graduated from Columbia University in New York in 1983 with a degree in political science after transferring from Occidental College in California. He went on to Harvard Law School, where he graduated magna cum laude 1991 and was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review.
Obama's 2008 campaign did not release his college transcripts, and in his best-selling memoir, "Dreams From My Father," Obama indicated he hadn't always been an academic star. Trump told the AP that Obama's refusal to release his college grades were part of a pattern of concealing information about himself.
"I have friends who have smart sons with great marks, great boards, great everything and they can't get into Harvard," Trump said. "We don't know a thing about this guy. There are a lot of questions that are unanswered about our president."
Katie Hogan, a spokeswoman for Obama's re-election campaign, declined to comment.
Trump, a wealthy businessman and reality TV host, has risen to the top of many polls in part by his outspoken call for Obama to release his long form birth certificate. The state of Hawaii has released a certificate of live birth indicating Obama was born there on August 4, 1961, but that has not quelled critics who believe Obama was born outside the United States and is therefore not qualified to be president.
The so-called "birther" controversy has dominated the early stage of the 2012 GOP nominating contest, with Trump leading the charge.
"I have more people that are excited about the fact that I reinvigorated this whole issue," Trump said, adding "the last guy (Obama) wants to run against is Donald Trump."
Trump is scheduled to travel to the early primary states of New Hampshire and Nevada this week and said he will make a final decision about a presidential bid by June.
Also in the AP interview, Trump:
— Said Republicans had made a mistake by embracing a budget proposal crafted by Wisconsin GOP Rep. Paul Ryan that included deep cuts in Medicare. "The seniors are afraid. The plan Paul Ryan put forth has made the Democrats so happy," Trump said.
— Declined to disclose his net worth, saying he'll do so if he decides to run. "You'll see what it is, possibly, very likely, in the next 4 weeks. I don't want to say because I don't want to ruin the press conference," he said.
— Expressed surprise that the 2008 GOP nominee, John McCain, had suggested Trump's effort was a publicity stunt. "I congratulate him for getting the attention he's getting," McCain told NBC's "Meet the Press" Sunday.
Trump said he had been a big supporter of McCain. "I would find it hard to believe he would say anything bad because I raised a fantastic amount of money for him," Trump said.
Copyright © 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
Hawaii senator questions Obama's true birth father
WND ^ | April 23, 2011 | WND
The lone Republican in the Hawaii State Senate told a radio interviewer today he believes "the real issue" stopping Barack Obama from releasing his long-form birth certificate is something the president has to hide, perhaps even the name of his actual birth father.
Hawaii State Sen. Sam Slom further told the host of "Aaron Klein Investigative Radio" on WABC 770 AM in New York City that so long as Obama refuses to be transparent about his past, questions about the president's birth remain "a legitimate issue."
"My particular point of view – and why I haven't identified myself as a 'birther,' per se – is that [Obama] probably was born [in Hawaii] and that the real issue is not the birth certificate, but what's on the birth certificate," Slom told Klein.
Asked what that could be, Slom said, "It could have to do with what his name is on the birth certificate, who is actually listed as his father, the citizenship of the father."
He continued, "My belief is that there is a birth certificate, he was born here, but that there is information that for reasons known only to him he doesn't want released. If it were just the birth certificate, that would be one thing, but it's his school records, it's employment records. … Why would anybody, let alone the president of the United States, spend millions of dollars in legal fees to keep that hidden?"
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
How does it feel knowing I cancel out your vote?
With all the traction this story is getting, I'm starting to think it could hurt Obama. If he never releases his BC and never discusses issues surrounding his father's citizenship, there may be a number of voters who start to question whether he is hiding something.
I still think the Kenyan birth, etc. stuff is nonsense, but the fact he could score some political points by releasing his BC, and refuses to do so, could become problematic. Unlike most conspiracy theories, it's all over the MSM.
On the other hand, because I think he was born in Hawaii, he could just be giving people rope to hang themselves with the whole Kenyan birth thing. Or he could be waiting until later in the campaign to provide documents to blow this whole thing up.
That said, whatever it is, or whatever happens, I don't think the Republican nominee should even touch this issue.
believe me, the Republican nominee WILL touch on this issue..Republicans are stupid like that
get some VIDEO of him saying he was born there, and BOOOM lights out, it's over, he loses.
How about "I Am So Proud To Come Back Home" while in Kenya?
Bump for 240
...?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf)
Fake forgery commy plot? :D
Hahaha pwned badly. Long form released nothing like the CT nonsense 333 said.
BOOOM BITCH!
Something does not add up on this. The paper used on this was not the same from 1961 and something 50 years old does not have near perfect condition.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahah
Something does not add up on this. The paper used on this was not the same from 1961 and something 50 years old does not have near perfect condition.
Missing the proverbial forest for the trees. What this has done is shown people what happens when you ignore the left-winged media types, who've been shielding Obama and calling those who question anything about the President "racists", "bigots", "birthers", etc.
Trump ignored all that crap and kept hitting Obama in the face with this issue, until he cracked. Now, if he (or whoever ends up the GOP challenger) keeps this up about the major issues that face up, Obama will melt like butter on a blowtorch. And, we may see a new president in 2012.
Trump raised enough public awareness that's all, mianly because of who he is not because of what he believed. He was as was all the Birthers dead wrong and are even more of a laugh now.
SUDDENLY all trump wants to talk about is obama's college records.
oh boy. not the economy, not the real issue. nope, he wants college records now. Crazy.
Trump said from the beginning that he believed Obama was born in the United States. More information casts some doubt in his mind. But, unless there's an interview I missed, Trump has never declared that Obama wasn't born in the United States.
Of course he didn't. He had to maintain an exit strategy in case he was wrong. The fact he raised the questions, the independent investegation, the media manipulationi etc, as a start to his campaign said enough.
Will Trump follow thru?
DONALD TRUMP: I Will Release My Tax Returns When Obama Releases His Birth Certificate
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tax-returns-obama-birth-certificate-2011-4#ixzz1KjcXUwXX
What an idiot Trump. The only thing that made Trump relevent was the Birther issue, now he's been Trumped.
This is your candidate 3333333?
Really? He got obama to acknowledge and admit that he has been holding this back from day 1, just like all of us have said.
What an idiot Trump. The only thing that made Trump relevent was the Birther issue, now he's been Trumped.
This is your candidate 3333333?
I'm supporting whoever runs that can beat obama, whoever that is.
I'm supporting whoever runs that can beat obama, whoever that is.
hahahahahaha this is a trend...
*beatboxing*
Another one bites the dust
Trump has done something that no one else has been able to do. He put enough attention on the BC issue to get Obama to release it. Good work by Trump, he gets things done.
Yep. He got himself to go all over national television and look like a damn fool.
Obama really owned birther nut jobs on this one.
In true getbig style...
BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM MMMMMM!!!!!!!!
Yep. He got himself to go all over national television and look like a damn fool.
Obama really owned birther nut jobs on this one.
In true getbig style...
BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMM MMMMMM!!!!!!!!
... don't become distracted by where he was born. It doesn't matter. The only reason to need the birth certificate is to verify Obama Sr. is the babydaddy and not Davis or Malcolm. If Sr. is babydaddy, Jr. is a British subject and not a natural born citizen. Then, dependent upon where he was born, he may or may not be a U.S. citizen of any type.
Will Release Of Obama's Purported Birth Certificate Give Rise To New "Certer" Movement?Have you ever thought about getting some help for your problem?
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/barack-obama/birth-obama-certer-movement-098513
This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.
So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:
• If the original document was in a bound volume (as reflected by the curvature of the left hand side of the certificate), how can the green patterned background of the document's safety paper be so seamless?
• Why, if Obama was born on August 4, 1961, was the “Date Accepted by Local Reg.” four days later on August 8, 1961?
• What is the significance of the smudges in the box containing the name of the reported attendant?
• David A. Sinclair, the M.D. who purportedly signed the document, died nearly eight years ago at age 81. So he is conveniently unavailable to answer questions about Obama’s reported birth.
• In the “This Birth” box there are two mysterious Xs above “Twin” and “Triplet.” Is there a sibling or two unaccounted for?
• What is the significance of the mysterious numbers, seen vertically, on the document’s right side?
• Finally, the “Signature of Local Registrar” in box 21 may be a desperate attempt at establishing the document’s Hawaiian authenticity. Note to forgers: It is spelled “Ukulele.”
Missing the proverbial forest for the trees. What this has done is shown people what happens when you ignore the left-winged media types, who've been shielding Obama and calling those who question anything about the President "racists", "bigots", "birthers", etc.
Trump ignored all that crap and kept hitting Obama in the face with this issue, until he cracked. Now, if he (or whoever ends up the GOP challenger) keeps this up about the major issues that face up, Obama will melt like butter on a blowtorch. And, we may see a new president in 2012.
Okay so mods can we now move this to the CT board?
It has been proven BEYOND reasonable doubt. There is no more issue here, no more legitimate questions that can be asked about the birth certificate. It has been released and PROVES BEYOND ANY DOUBT who Obama's father is, who is mother is, where he was born and when he was born.
This has got to be moved. It's not longer relevant as the point is moot.
Uh no. Fail. Your stupid CT's have been proven wrong and you're trying to save face about it now.
::) ::)
Its only all over every single tv channel.
Yeah because now it's been PROVED BEYOND DOUBT and is now a redundant point.
Why did he wait 2 years to produce this and doesnt this add credence to those of us who said he was playing games?
THIS is where you're at?
youre mad that a politician is 'playing games' by not releasing a personal document?
We never saw Bush or clinton's longform birth cert, did we? Did we ever see them?
Why did he wait 2 years to produce this and doesnt this add credence to those of us who said he was playing games?
Hahaha you are reduced to tears now! this post proves it. Why did he wait? Why did he make me look like such a fool? hahahaha
Talk about cry baby lib, you're the poster child for it on the right wing!
::) ::)
All this shows is that he has been playing games from day 1.
Hahaha you are reduced to tears now! this post proves it. Why did he wait? Why did he make me look like such a fool? hahahaha
Talk about cry baby lib, you're the poster child for it on the right wing!
Orly Taitz: Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate Should Say 'Negro' Not 'African'
TPMMuckraker ^ | 4/27/2011 | Ryan J. Reilly
"In those years ... when they wrote race, they were writing 'Negro' not 'African'," Taitz says. "In those days nobody wrote African as a race, it just wasn't one of the options. It sounds like it would be written today, in the age of political correctness, and not in 1961 when they wrote white or Asian or 'Negro'."
(Excerpt) Read more at tpmmuckraker.talkingpoin tsmemo.com ...
Mods move this. It's jumped the shark big time.
Dang. He embarrassed a lot of folks today.
Yeah - himself. Why didnt he release this 2 years ago?
Yeah - himself. Why didnt he release this 2 years ago?
It says a lot about Obama's stubbornness. He let if get to the point that less than 40% off the population believed without a doubt that he was born in HI. He feels a natural disdain for many Americans, and didn't want to give them the satisfaction. In the end, it wasn't just far right looney's questioning him, but the majority of the country. Poorly played by a President who needs help developing trust with the American people.
Yeah - himself. Why didnt he release this 2 years ago?
what poll did you get that from,don't tell me fox ;D
Because it was a silly conspiracy theory and he wanted birthers to run around and make fools of themselves for two years?
Again - playing games and creating chaos.
Again - playing games and creating chaos.
Not really. Turns out he actually played this very well. He only released when it really started to look like he was hiding something. Turns out he wasn't hiding anything. The COLB was not a forgery. Nobody was lying when they said they saw his original BC. The guy who signed an affidavit claiming there was no BC was not telling the truth.
As much as I dislike him as president, he really did a good job with this whole thing (in hindsight).
Yes - in terms of playing a game. However, in the meanwhile - he wasted everyones' time and created chaos.
Mods move this. It's jumped the shark big time.
Well I looked at the Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital website and it does indeed say that it became that in 1978.
HA..give it up
HA..give it up
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by Miki Booth
Image released by the White House on April 27, 2011 purported to be a copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate
(Apr. 27, 2011, Tulsa, OK) —The putative president and his enablers have really gone over the line today, Wednesday April, 27, 2011. It just goes to show there is a culture of fear and desperation in the house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. First off today, World Net Daily published a scathing expose of Hawai’i Dept. of Health and their “helter-skelter” handling of requests for long form birth certificates. They have been doing incredible documentary acrobatics changing policy and procedure to fit Obama’s claims. And if that wasn’t bad enough, Oklahoma votes today on SB 91 the presidential certification bill which is expected to pass by a large margin and signed into law by Gov. Mary Fallin. The bill will then automatically become law within 5 days.
The Obama Public Relations machine decided today was the crucial day to release the recently cooked up Certificate of Live Birth betting its unveiling will influence enough members of the Oklahoma House to have second thoughts about the necessity of such a bill.
The scramble was on when minions tasked to look for negative reporting on the internet discovered the WND story by Bob Unruh. More scrambling. Call the players to the war room, things are unraveling. But Trump has moved on. He’s not even talking about the birth certificate anymore, he’s bringing up the school records. What does he know about Occidental? Does he know about Columbia too? Has he talked to tea party leaders about all the violations of the Constitution? With the release today of the newly “cooked” copy of his birth record Obama has brought the wrath of every red-blooded American down on his head. His father was a British subject therefore Obama is not an Article II, Section I constitutionally eligible “natural born citizen.” He has illegally taken our government and surrounded himself with enemies of the Constitution and those cronies decided today was the day to release this particular red herring.
Why now? Why not last year when he could have kept an 18-year decorated Army flight surgeon from going to federal prison for asking to see the document that Obama now flaunts with seeming impunity. Terry Lakin is nearing completion of a 6-month prison term, leaving Leavenworth stripped of his 18-year career, dismissed from the Army and loss of all benefits. The most disgusting aspect of this travesty is the heartless punishment of putting him in prison three days before Christmas, away from his wife and three children. A clear message to anyone that would challenge Obama’s legitimacy.
The unraveling has begun. Today there are big changes in the Intelligence community. New players and musical chairs in the CIA. Create clutter, create confusion, backlog inquiries, and shake everything up to avoid evidence getting shook out.
Bernanke and Geithner are suspect financial manipulators who have done nothing but damage to the U.S. financial system and jealously guard what is actually in the Federal Reserve. Like Obama and his cronies they are unaccountable to the American people. Something big is coming down.
The birth certificate Obama is flaunting is an obvious fake to any of the millions of people who are on to the treacherous actions of Obama’s push to socialism.
It is indeed convenient that Dr. David A. Sinclair, who coincidentally was my OB/GYN who delivered my son, Alan, has passed therefore he cannot attest to the fact of obama’s birth. The forgery looks good on the surface but is fraught with problems. It appears to be manufactured using the Nordyke twin’s samples and they cannot get away with the higher chronological number belying an alleged earlier birth.
Coincidentally, my husband, Fred, was delivered in Kapiolani by the same doctor that delivered the Nordyke twins. It might have been too much fudging to claim the Nordyke’s doctor on the certificate revealed today but it doesn’t really matter since neither doctor delivered Obama according to supporter Barbara Nelson, Obama’s English teacher at Punahou High School and perhaps “the only person left who specifically remembers his birth.”
Nelson stated for The Buffalo News on Tuesday, February 17, 2009, “I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”
The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
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by Miki Booth
Image released by the White House on April 27, 2011 purported to be a copy of Obama's long-form birth certificate
(Apr. 27, 2011, Tulsa, OK) —The putative president and his enablers have really gone over the line today, Wednesday April, 27, 2011. It just goes to show there is a culture of fear and desperation in the house at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. First off today, World Net Daily published a scathing expose of Hawai’i Dept. of Health and their “helter-skelter” handling of requests for long form birth certificates. They have been doing incredible documentary acrobatics changing policy and procedure to fit Obama’s claims. And if that wasn’t bad enough, Oklahoma votes today on SB 91 the presidential certification bill which is expected to pass by a large margin and signed into law by Gov. Mary Fallin. The bill will then automatically become law within 5 days.
The Obama Public Relations machine decided today was the crucial day to release the recently cooked up Certificate of Live Birth betting its unveiling will influence enough members of the Oklahoma House to have second thoughts about the necessity of such a bill.
The scramble was on when minions tasked to look for negative reporting on the internet discovered the WND story by Bob Unruh. More scrambling. Call the players to the war room, things are unraveling. But Trump has moved on. He’s not even talking about the birth certificate anymore, he’s bringing up the school records. What does he know about Occidental? Does he know about Columbia too? Has he talked to tea party leaders about all the violations of the Constitution? With the release today of the newly “cooked” copy of his birth record Obama has brought the wrath of every red-blooded American down on his head. His father was a British subject therefore Obama is not an Article II, Section I constitutionally eligible “natural born citizen.” He has illegally taken our government and surrounded himself with enemies of the Constitution and those cronies decided today was the day to release this particular red herring.
Why now? Why not last year when he could have kept an 18-year decorated Army flight surgeon from going to federal prison for asking to see the document that Obama now flaunts with seeming impunity. Terry Lakin is nearing completion of a 6-month prison term, leaving Leavenworth stripped of his 18-year career, dismissed from the Army and loss of all benefits. The most disgusting aspect of this travesty is the heartless punishment of putting him in prison three days before Christmas, away from his wife and three children. A clear message to anyone that would challenge Obama’s legitimacy.
The unraveling has begun. Today there are big changes in the Intelligence community. New players and musical chairs in the CIA. Create clutter, create confusion, backlog inquiries, and shake everything up to avoid evidence getting shook out.
Bernanke and Geithner are suspect financial manipulators who have done nothing but damage to the U.S. financial system and jealously guard what is actually in the Federal Reserve. Like Obama and his cronies they are unaccountable to the American people. Something big is coming down.
The birth certificate Obama is flaunting is an obvious fake to any of the millions of people who are on to the treacherous actions of Obama’s push to socialism.
It is indeed convenient that Dr. David A. Sinclair, who coincidentally was my OB/GYN who delivered my son, Alan, has passed therefore he cannot attest to the fact of obama’s birth. The forgery looks good on the surface but is fraught with problems. It appears to be manufactured using the Nordyke twin’s samples and they cannot get away with the higher chronological number belying an alleged earlier birth.
Coincidentally, my husband, Fred, was delivered in Kapiolani by the same doctor that delivered the Nordyke twins. It might have been too much fudging to claim the Nordyke’s doctor on the certificate revealed today but it doesn’t really matter since neither doctor delivered Obama according to supporter Barbara Nelson, Obama’s English teacher at Punahou High School and perhaps “the only person left who specifically remembers his birth.”
Nelson stated for The Buffalo News on Tuesday, February 17, 2009, “I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone,” said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here’s the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: “‘So, tell me something interesting that happened this week,’” she recalls.
His response: “Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that’s something to write home about.”
The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.
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What is the conclusion now? The entire birther movement is a laughinstock and this is put to rest or that damn red state of Hawaii is still issuing fake ass birth certificates?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/gavon/top-20-conspiracy-theories-that-have-already-sprun
I guess it depends
If you are left Obama is the man and kicked everybodys ass because he is so cool
If you are a birther then its a fake/forgery and Obama still sucks
If you are in the middle, don't care one way or the other, the country is still fucked up and we are not making any progress
you don't belong in any of the three groups..you're in the twilight zone
Here's an idea if you don't like what I post don't read it, you provide nothing other than dumbass jabs at people.
Here's an idea if you don't like what I post don't read it, you provide nothing other than dumbass jabs at people.
you do exactly the same...if you want a cease-fire and you want to make personal attacks off-limits and just discuss the issues, I'll abide by that
I give andre a little slack because he seems like a decent guy and not malicious.
I probably would like to catch a yankee game with him this year if possible.
That being said - his posts refelct a desire, to a fault, to see only what he wants in bama, and not the truth.
Valerie Jarrett to Trump: You Can Forget About the Obama’s School RecordsAre you bipolar?
gateway pundit ^ | April 28, 2011
White House senior advisor Valerie Jarrett said President Obama will not release his academic records, commenting a day after Obama put out his “long form” birth certificate and Donald Trump decided to press his luck by demanding Obama’s college transcripts.
“We know this is nonsense,” Jarrett said in an interview on The Joe Madison Show on SiriusXM on Thursday morning.”He is almost 50 years old. And he is president of the United States and I don’t think anybody will debate his intelligence and so now we do need to get serious…let’s just get serious…get back to focusing on what’s important.
(Excerpt) Read more at gatewaypundit.rightnetwo rk.com ...
Here's an idea if you don't like what I post don't read it, you provide nothing other than dumbass jabs at people.Are you sure you weren't thinking of me here?
Are you sure you weren't thinking of me here?
You said if he released his long form BC that you would acquiesce.
You haven't though.
At this point in time you're just trying to save face. If you would just admit you were wrong we could get past this.
All the obama dildos and cultists have a vendetta against me.
What did you expect if the Repub state Hawaii would release one fake COLB? You think they wouldn't fake a LFBC too?
It true!! It's a fake!! FFFFFAAAAKKKKKKEEEEEEE!!!!
Let's keep the fan flamed and see how well it goes over in the primary. ;D
PROOF!!! Obama Birth Certificate Fraud
Uploaded by TheAlexJonesChannel on Apr 27, 2011
The Obama administration finally laid to rest all the rumors of the place of his birth with the release of his long form birth certificate. But closer inspection has prompted more questions than answers. For starters there are numerous layers. Some of the numerical characters look as if they were added after the fact by a printer rather than a typewriter. Alex Jones and Rob Dew demonstrate that the Obama team is keeping with the trend of being transparent as a brick wall.
Not a Republican state. It's probably the most liberal state in the country.
haha i saw it...
this is getting exciting
I think California, New York, and Vermont may take issue with that. :)
And Oregon. But we got em beat. Here is just one statistic they probably can't touch: 25 state senators, 1 Republican, 24 Democrats.
I give andre a little slack because he seems like a decent guy and not malicious.
I probably would like to catch a yankee game with him this year if possible.
That being said - his posts refelct a desire, to a fault, to see only what he wants in bama, and not the truth.
I really don't care what you do
That's definitely an interesting statistic.
How has Hawaii gone in the Presidential elections over the past 30 years?
All the obama dildos and cultists have a vendetta against me.it's not my vendetta I'd like to have against you....
it's not my vendetta I'd like to have against you....
No way season tix. I usually get em from clients or go on stub hub.
Gross. Unless you are a chick wqith a fat ass and big tits don't bother.close your eyes and I'll be anything you like. perhaps it would help relieve some of your tension ?! ;)
April 29, 2011
The Obama Lie That Drove the Birther Movement
By Jack Cashill
www.americanthinker.com
Newly released documents from Barack Obama Sr.'s immigration file, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, justify "birther" doubts about the nativity story on which Barack Obama based his presidential campaign.
The documents were posted Thursday in an article by Heather Smathers on the Arizona Independent web site. When I checked with Brian Wedemeyer, the Independent's managing editor, he confirmed, "They are legitimate documents."
A memo dated Aug. 31, 1961, from William Wood of the Immigration and Naturalization Services, does verify that Barack Obama, Sr. fathered a son, Barack Obama II, who was born in Honolulu on Aug, 4, 1961. For the record, most birthers of my acquaintance believe that Obama was born in the United States. That is not their issue.
Wood adds, however, that the child is "living with mother (she lives with her parents & subject resides at 1482 Alencastre St.)." He adds that Obama's citizen spouse plans "to go to Washington State University next semester."
This document thoroughly undermines the Obama nativity story, a story that has been told almost as often as Jesus's but with nowhere near the accuracy. Obama led with it in his 2004 convention speech and repeated it in the first sentence of his 2008 speech.
Friendly biographer David Remnick describes this story as Obama's "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal," and he underscores its essential role in Obama's ascendancy.
As Obama told the story in 2004, his father had grown up in Kenya "herding goats." His mother he traced to Kansas, as he always did. "My parents shared not only an improbable love," Obama continued, "they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation."
Obama refined his story for a critical speech in Selma, Alabama in March 2007, a speech that would define his presidential campaign.
"Something happened back here in Selma, Alabama," said Obama. This something "sent a shout across the ocean," which inspired the Barack Sr., still "herding goats" back in Kenya, to "set his sights a little higher."
This same something also "worried folks in the White House" to the point that the "the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift."
Something about Selma apparently inspired Obama to manufacture facts more flagrantly than usual. Obama Sr. grew up speaking English and attending Christian schools. He was working as a clerk in Nairobi, not a goatherd, when he came to Hawaii in 1959. He came not on any formal airlift but as an independent student. The Republican Eisenhower, not the Democrat Kennedy, was the president when he came to the United States.
Although born in Kansas, Stanley Ann Dunham (Ann), Obama's mother, was not exactly Dorothy. She spent her formative years in the Seattle area where she earned the nickname "Anarchist Annie" under the tutelage of her hipster teachers. Selma had nothing to do with Obama's birth in any case. He was conceived four years before anyone outside of Alabama ever heard of the town.
The problems, of course, go deeper. According to divorce papers filed in 1964, Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham married in Wailuku, Maui, on February 2, 1961. One has to wonder, however, whether it was a marriage in anything but name or whether there was a marriage at all.
The immigration authorities certainly wondered. An April 1961 memo notes, "If his USC [United States Citizen] wife tries to petition for [Obama Sr.] make sure an investigation is conducted as to the bona-fide of the marriage."
In his memoir Dreams from My Father, Obama says, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore."
No family or friend attended a wedding. In fact, no one in Obama Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding. Clique member Pake Zane could not recall Ann at all.
When current Hawaii governor Neil Abercrombie and Zane visited their friend in Nairobi in 1968, Barack Sr. shocked them by never once inquiring about his presumed wife and 6-year-old son.
The facts get more problematic still. After the birth of baby Barry in August 1961, Ann left for Seattle as soon as the doctors cleared her to travel. Once there, she enrolled at the University of Washington, not Washington Sate. Barack Sr. stayed behind in Hawaii.
The apolitical Washington state historical blog, HistoryLink, now confirms Ann's presence in the fall of 1961, identifies her Capitol Hill apartment in Seattle, names the courses she took, and documents an extended stay by Ann and little Barry into the summer of 1962.
If that is not proof enough, the 1961-1962 Polk Directory confirms an "Obama Anna Mrs studt" at the Capitol Hill address.
Somehow, this information escaped Obama's official campaign biography, Dreams, and four book-length biographies I consulted when researching my book Deconstructing Obama. Remnick's 2010 biography, The Bridge, concedes Ann's escape to Seattle but fudges the dates.
Even Janny Scott, the New York Times reporter who wrote the new biography, A Singular Woman: The Untold Story of Barack Obama's Mother, plays with the timeline. Ann Dunham promptly became pregnant, Scott writes in a New York Times excerpt, "dropped out of school, married him and gave birth shortly before their union ended." No, based on these documents, the union, if there was one, ended before Obama was born.
By the time mom and son returned to Hawaii in the summer of 1962, Barack Sr. had long since left for Harvard. There was no Obama family, never was, no "abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation" save on the teleprompters at the 2004 convention.
Obama knew all of this when he gave his televised Big-Brotherly talk to America's coerced schoolchildren in September 2009. It did not stop him from dissembling.
"I get it," he told the kiddies. "I know what that's like. My father left my family when I was two years old, and I was raised by a single mother." Does it get lower?
For the last two years or more, many in the birther community knew that Obama's "multicultural ideal" was based on a lie. Knowing that Obama was capable of lying about the first two years of his life, they had no reason to believe he was telling the truth about his birth, especially given the lengths he had gone to in order to protect his birth certificate.
For their part, the major media -- almost to a person -- were doing everything in their power to protect the lie. This was unprecedented on the sunny side of the Iron Curtain. The birthers had absolutely no reason to believe the media.
The media proved especially ignorant in their discussion of Obama's birth certificate. Last week, ABC's George Stephanopoulos set a new media low in his ambush of Rep. Michele Bachmann. In full partisan fury, he waved a copy of Obama's certification of live birth in her face as excitedly as if he had just discovered Al Capone's vault.
"Well I have the president's [birth] certificate right here," crowed the clueless Stephanopoulos, utterly unaware he had no such thing. Worse, what he did have had been floating around the Internet since 2008. "It's certified, it's got a certification number." Neither he nor his media colleagues seemed to know how foolish this spectacle appeared to the millions of Americans who knew better.
Given the historic performance of the president, and of the media, I think our birther friends are allowed a little grace time before they accept this new immaculately conceived certificate of live birth as Gospel. We would hate to have this too prove "fake but accurate."
Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/the_obama_lie_that_drove_the_b.html at April 29, 2011 - 08:03:02 AM CDT
so he wasnt born in America?
Are you really expecting a simple yes or no answer here?
Rosemary's Baby aka Obama was not born, he was spawned.
there you go.. turn it into mush when you dont want to give a definitive yes or no
I now believe he was born in Hawaii, yes. But I do believe he is still hiding a ton of shit.
wow...getting you to say this one little sentence took three years...this should be a HOLIDAY!
I now believe he was born in Hawaii, yes.
Do you think the long form was a forgery, or is legit?
I now believe he was born in Hawaii, yes.
so you think he WAS born in hawaii.
But you also believe he forged a document?
Seems Obama born yesterday
By Michael Graham
Thursday, April 28, 2011 - Added 1 day ago
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/2011_0428seems_obama_born_yesterday/srvc=home&position=recent
Mr. President — you just got “pwned.”’
That’s Internet geek-speak for “owned” and yesterday you — the president of the United States — got your hat handed to you by a reality TV star. Without any political power, without the benefit of public office — in fact, he hasn’t even voted in a primary in 20 years — Donald Trump forced you to finally fork over your birth certificate.
It’s like being sent to jail by a judge, except in this case, it was Judge Judy.
Forget the certificate itself. The most astonishing thing I saw yesterday was a sitting president waiting for the host of “Celebrity Apprentice” to finish a New Hampshire press availability so he could start his own.
When your presidency is so lackluster you’re getting upstaged by a guy whose job is to coax coherent sentences out of Gary Busey . . . well this was not a good moment for the republic.
It was out of concern for our republic that I had called on the president to release the long form birth certificate just the day before. I was horrified by a new USA Today/Gallup poll that found just 38 percent of Americans are confident Obama was born in the United States. In other words, two-thirds of Americans seriously wonder if our president is serving in violation of the Constitution.
Yes, this doubt was generated in part by anti-Obama kookery from the fringe right. But for the doubt to become a conspiracy, Team Obama had to play along. They had to leave the birth certificate hidden in the Hawaii Department of Health instead of just releasing it when the questions first arose.
Barack Obama and his media allies played the issue perfectly. The media continuously asked Republicans their position on the birther issue, sending a message that everyone who opposed Obamacare or criticized his fiscal failures was somehow linked to a lunatic conspiracy.
This may have been winning politics in the short term, but its long-term effect was to undermine the public’s fundamental level of trust in the president. That’s bad.
When the news broke yesterday morning that Obama was finally relenting, I hoped it was because our “uniter in chief” had seen the new poll and wanted to undo some of the damage. Alas, no.
Instead, we now know the White House contacted Hawaii officials on April 22 — five days earlier. Which raises the question again, “Why now?”
It wasn’t because of Obama’s bogus claim that the press was too birther obsessed to cover anything else. Hours after he played the “bad media” card, the independent Poynter Institute reported that the economy accounted for 39 percent of news coverage the week Obama gave his debt/deficit speech. The birther issue? Four percent.
So again — why? I believe it’s because Obama could never answer the question, “Why not?”
As shamelessly self-interested and oddly-coiffed as Trump may be, he smartly focused on the question typical Americans could grasp — why doesn’t the president just release the damn thing? Typical Americans get that. They also get the arrogance of a “public servant” who, without good reason, simply refuses to answer a simple question.
Even on the issue of his own birth certificate, Obama was once again “leading from the rear.”
The guy out front? He’s plugging the upcoming finale of his TV show.
This is actually true. Trump is the reason Obama released his BC.
No... it wasn't Trump... It was the media and their infatuation with Trump.
Trump came out and spoke nonsense and people like 333 and the media to some extent ate it up... It was complete bullshit.
Same difference. Without Trump appearing all over the media calling Obama out on this, Obama wouldn't have released it.
That makes Trump some kind of special person?
Only in the mind of people who can't admit that he was simply a rich guy with a TV show who gets press because he says "you're fired" every week.
I never said he was a special person. He's just the person responsible for Obama producing his BC.
It only took three years because the Grifter-Looter-Madoff-in -Chief Obama hid his records and made this an issue by playing games.and you, sir, got played ! well done, Mr. President. You just earned my vote for four more years.
No... people like 333 are responsible.
Trump wouldn't have even brought it up if he didn't get the idea from the kooks out there.
Trump brought it up because it kept his name in the headlines.
Just like his feud with whoopi or rosie.
Just like his tiff with Ivana on divorcing just in time.
Just like the many stunts to promote his hotel.
Just like his involvement with football and boxing.
Just like his Kadaffi business.
Just like him suing people who under-estimate his net worth.
Just like his fake 2000 and 1988 presidential runs.
Hell, the man got involved with wrestlemani. he did the comedy central roast. he's trying like hell to get deniro or seinfeld into a feud now.
he's a media whore who does anything for attention. Watch and see. In 18 months, he'll be all over the news for a feud with some new celebrity or cause, and everyone will be so surprised again.
No... people like 333 are responsible.
Trump wouldn't have even brought it up if he didn't get the idea from the kooks out there.
He's a businessman. He hosted WrestleManias 4 and 5 and was part of WrestleMania 23 (shaving Vince McMahon's head). He was in the front row at WrestleMania 7.
And, for all you bodybuilding fans, it was his Taj Mahal that hosted the first WBF Championship.
wow ! To quote DT - if that is true, that me, 33 from getbig - is responsible for Bama releasing the long form BC -
I AM VERY PROUD OF MYSELF FOR WHAT I ACCOMPLISHED
;D ;D
BUT YOU WERE LIKE WRONG ???
Wrong about what? Bama kept this hidden for 3 years. He could have put this to bed years ago and fomented a cottage industry by his actions.
Personally, I have been laughing my ass off at this. Its like the OJ case all over again.
dude you like said he wasnt born in the US......and he was.. and he proved it.. again.. dude he just cock slapped your dumb ass.. told you to take your thread and shove it up your ass
wow ! To quote DT - if that is true, that me, 33 from getbig - is responsible for Bama releasing the long form BC -
I AM VERY PROUD OF MYSELF FOR WHAT I ACCOMPLISHED
;D ;D
Yawn - he fueld these CT's by acting like an arrogant baby all on to himself.
Yawn - he fueld these CT's by acting like an arrogant baby all on to himself.
Why dont you apply the same standard to 911 truthers?Girl, what you been up to?
Trump brought it up because it kept his name in the headlines.
Just like his feud with whoopi or rosie.
Just like his tiff with Ivana on divorcing just in time.
Just like the many stunts to promote his hotel.
Just like his involvement with football and boxing.
Just like his Kadaffi business.
Just like him suing people who under-estimate his net worth.
Just like his fake 2000 and 1988 presidential runs.
Hell, the man got involved with wrestlemani. he did the comedy central roast. he's trying like hell to get deniro or seinfeld into a feud now.
he's a media whore who does anything for attention. Watch and see. In 18 months, he'll be all over the news for a feud with some new celebrity or cause, and everyone will be so surprised again.
wow ! To quote DT - if that is true, that me, 33 from getbig - is responsible for Bama releasing the long form BC -You're lame. For an attorney, anyway.
I AM VERY PROUD OF MYSELF FOR WHAT I ACCOMPLISHED
;D ;D
Why dont you apply the same standard to 911 truthers?
because we all KNOW the 911 truthers are nuts...
another thought. drump was a lifetime lib until 2009.
If the popular political climate was liberalism, and it was all about proving mccain was an illegal, I'm sure Trump would have hopped on that train too.
He probably would have enjoyed it too, to be honest. the guy's capitalizing on the ignorance and hate and fear that people have. He's NOT SURE if he wants the job of saving america from evil obama? F him. Seriously. You DONT EVEN KNOW if you want to save your country, even if you know you have the power?
Repubs should look at it that way. This lifetime lib doesn't like obama, but he's not even sure if he wants to spend his time fixing it. Unreal.
exactly....Trump is an opportunist plain and simple
So, what it does it say about the president of the united states, when he lets a reality tv show freak with bad hair looking to cash in on an opportunity, elevate himself to presidential status.
If you cant see how that makes obama look like a joke, your not paying attention.
how was Obama responsible for elevating Trump to presidential status????????????????????????...trump has played this game before with flirting with running for president and each time he has gotten extensive media coverage only to pull out....he did this in 88' and in 2000 I think......was Obama around then>>???????????
you dumbass conservatives on here always betray your lack of objectivity and hang yourselves
Obama's father forced out at Harvard
The university was concerned about his personal life and finances, records reveal. | AP Photo
By ASSOCIATED PRESS | 4/29/11 8:58 PM EDT
BOSTON — President Barack Obama’s father was forced to leave Harvard University before completing his Ph.D. in economics because the school was concerned about his personal life and finances, according to newly public immigration records.
Harvard had asked the Immigration and Naturalization Service to delay a request by Barack Hussein Obama Sr. to extend his stay in the U.S., “until they decided what action they could take in order to get rid of him,” immigration official M.F. McKeon wrote in a June 1964 memo.
Harvard administrators, the memo stated, “were having difficulty with his financial arrangements and couldn’t seem to figure out how many wives he had.”
An earlier INS memo from McKeon said that while the elder Obama had passed his exams and was entitled on academic grounds to stay and complete his thesis, the school was going to try and “cook something up to ease him out.”
“They are planning on telling him that they will not give him any money, and that he had better return to Kenya and prepare his thesis at home,” the memo stated.
In May 1964, David D. Henry, director of Harvard’s international office, wrote to Obama to say that, while he had completed his formal course work, the economics department and the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences didn’t have the money to support him.
“We have, therefore, come to the conclusion that you should terminate your stay in the United States and return to Kenya to carry on your research and the writing of your thesis,” Henry’s letter stated.
Obama’s request for an extended stay was denied by the INS. He left Harvard and - divorced from president’s mother - returned to his native Kenya in July 1964. He did not complete his Ph.D.
The immigration memos, contained in the elder Obama’s Immigration and Naturalization file, were given to a Boston Globe reporter in 2009 through a Freedom of Information request. The papers were first made public Wednesday by The Arizona Independent, a weekly newspaper. The Associated Press obtained copies of them on Friday.
Harvard issued a statement Friday saying that it could not find in its own records anything to support the accounts given in the INS memos.
“While we cannot verify accounts of conversations that occurred nearly 50 years ago, a review of our existing files did not find any support for either the language or the implied intent described by the U.S. government official in the government documents,” the statement read.
When Obama was attending Harvard, the school faced serious constraints in financing research by international graduate students, the university also said.
Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matt Chandler declined to comment Friday, saying the department does not comment on specific immigration cases.
Concerns about Obama’s personal life while he had been studying in the U.S. had been raised previously, according to the INS documents.
In 1961, while he was an undergraduate student at the University of Hawaii, the school’s foreign student adviser called an immigration official and said Obama had recently married StanleyAnn Dunham - the president’s mother - despite already having a wife in Kenya.
According to a memo written by an INS official in Honolulu, the adviser said Obama had been “running around with several girls since he first arrived here and last summer she cautioned him about his playboy ways.”
Obama told the adviser that he had divorced his wife in Kenya.
He told the president’s mother the same thing, though she would later learn it was a lie.
Obama worked for an oil company and as a government economist after returning to Africa, but his personal and professional life would later deteriorate. He died in a car crash in 1982, when the future president was 21 and a student at Columbia University.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53968.html#ixzz1L1PRE2K9
Washington Times report: Newly released Obama birth certificate forensic forgery
April 29th, 2011 6:45 pm PT .
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In an exclusive April 29, 2011 interview on ExopoliticsTV with Alfred Lambremont Webre, Robert Stanley, weekly correspondent for the Washington Times investigative radio, states that the purported birth certificate released by U.S. President Barack H. Obama on April 27, 2011 is a forensic forgery. In the interview, Mr. Stanley's statement is accompanied by an on-camera demonstration of various forgeries within the nine overlaid digital layers of the birth certificate document as released on the White House website.
Earlier on April 29, 2011, Mr. Stanley reported the breaking news regarding the forensic fraud in Mr. Obama's newly released birth certificate on Washington Times investigative radio's America's Morning News while being interviewed by reporters John McCaslin and Amy Holmes, also a commentator for CNN.
LISTEN TO BREAKING NEWS
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/MP3/breaking%20news.mp3
During his ExopoliticsTV interview Mr. Stanley indicated that the White House has in fact taken down Mr. Obama’s alleged recently released birth certificate from the White House website overnight (see here), although the White House has left a copy of the alleged birth certificate of Mr. Obama here.
As of this writing, Mr. Stanley stated there had been no overt comment from the White House other than the taking of the birth certificate offline. Neither officials of the Hawaii state birth registrar nor of the Honolulu hospital where Mr. Obama allegedly was born have, as yet, commented.
Mr. Stanley stated that the headquarters of Donald Trump had put him in touch directly with Mr. Trump, and that he had forwarded the evidence of forensic forgery in Mr. Obama’s birth certificate directly to Mr. Trump.
Donald Trump, a possible contender for the 2012 Republican nomination for U.S. President, stated on April 27, 2011 that he considers himself instrumental in forcing Mr. Obama to release the alleged birth certificate, and now apparent forensic fraud.
View Interview with Robert Stanley on forensic fraud on Obama birth certificate
Readers can view the interview of Robert Stanley by Alfred Lambremont Webre on forensic fraud and the Obama birth certificate in the video embedded in the article above or at the following URL:
VIEW INTERVIEW
During his 25 minute ExopoliticsTV interview, Mr. Stanley graphically demonstrates using copies of various of the nine overlaid digital layers within the forensically fraudulent birth certificate of Mr. Obama that the birth certificate was assembled as a forged document, using components of many other documents.
Robert Stanley’s conclusions congruent with other independent research on forensic fraud in Obama birth certificate
Robert M. Stanley’s conclusions are also congruent with other independent analyses of Mr. Obama’s alleged birth certificate released April 27, 2011, including the following:
Barack Obama's Birth Certificate is a Digitally Layered Photoshop Fake
Proof Obama's 4/27/11 "Long Form Certificate of Birth" is Forged!
Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama
Other anomalies in the forensically forged Obama birth certificate
Researchers have identified a number of anomalies on the alleged birth certificate of Mr. Obama, apart from the evidence of forensic forgery provided by analysis of its nine layers.
One researcher states, "Look at the hospital name on this document [Mr. Obama's alleged birth certificate]. The hospital had a different name in 1961, it was not named Kapiolani Maternity and Gynocological Hospital, it was called Kaokiolani Children's Hospital. It did not get the Kapiolani name until the mid-1970s when they merged. Kenya was not called "Kenya" in 1961 it was called "The British East Africa Protectorate" at the time Obama was born and this document was supposedly printed. Then in 1963 it became "The Dominion of Kenya." Then later on became the "Republic of Kenya."
Another researcher states, "I’m not going to say that the information on the document is bogus, but I can definitely, without hesitation, say that the document was originally a two-layer piece. The top layer is the ‘black’ part that came from a scanner as a grayscale scan. It was converted to black and white and the white part was made transparent.
"That was dropped onto a generic green watermark background, which is what makes it look official. But that was NOT on the original document as scanned. This is very evident by the white haloing around everything black. It is also extremely evident that a layer was dropped onto the green background because the green marks are very crisp in the areas around the edges of the image, but are very blurred where the black image block covers it.
"Now keep in mind that before the green background was added, the original scan could have easily been altered, dates or names changed. I’m not saying it was. I’m just saying it’s a 100% fact that it could have been. So, this document as we see it is still not proof of anything. I could easily recreate this document with someone else’s original Hawaii birth certificate and a generic watermark background."
Another researcher writes, "Jerome Corsi writes that the issue represents the 'Rosetta Stone' of deciphering both Obama’s previously released short-form Certification of Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth certificate.”
"It centers around the fact that two twins born in the same Kapi’olani hospital listed on the Obama document the day after Obama was purportedly born actually have birth certificate numbers lower than Obama. The number should be lower on the Obama certificate if he was born before the twins.
As Corsi explains, “Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.
“Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.”
“Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign – and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today – Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.”
“Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.”
Why was a forged Obama Hawaii birth certificate necessary?
The forgery of Barack Obama’s Hawaii birth certificate appears to have been made necessary by U.S. immigration and naturalization law in the period between 1953 and 1986.
Between Dec. 24, 1953 and Nov. 13, 1986, an individual born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent married to an alien could be a “natural born citizen” only if the U.S. citizen parent had lived in the U.S. continuously for 10 years, five of which were after their 14th birthday.
Barack Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born on November 29, 1942. Obama was allegedly born on August 4, 1961. Thus, by prevailing U.S. law, Barack Obama could not have been a “natural born U.S. citizen.” If he was born in Kenya, Mr. Obama's mother was only 18 and could not have lived in the U.S. five years after her 14th birthday at the time of his birth.
Thus, it became a political necessity for Barack Obama to have a U.S. birth certificate. A forged birth certificate may have been produced in this case on April 27, 2011 because a genuine one does not exist despite the fact that the President was born in Hawaii or does not exist because he was born overseas.
For Barack Obama to have become a U.S. citizen under prevailing U.S. law at the time of his birth in 1961, his mother would have had to petition a U.S. immigration court for a naturalized U.S. citizenship status, which would have been readily granted to him because he was born of an American mother.
However, by the tragic timing of his birth taking place a few months short of his mother’s having lived in the U.S. for five years continuously after her 14th birthday, Barack Obama never achieved “natural born citizen” status and was as a matter of law constitutionally ineligible for the U.S. Presidency.
It is an established fact that Mr. Obama acquired Indonesian citizenship when his mother married Indonesian national Lolo Soetoro, who adopted Mr. Obama and moved his family to Indonesia in 1967. Indonesia requires that its citizens renounce all other citizenships.
There is no record, however, that after she sent Mr. Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971 or divorced Mr. Soetero Mr. Obama’s mother ever petitioned for U.S. nationalization of Mr. Obama. Thus, it is most plausible that Mr. Obama was an Indonesian citizen when he returned to live with his grandparents in Hawaii in 1971; when he matriculated to Occidental College in Hawaii in 1979; when he ran for the U.S. Senate in January 2003; and when he declared for U.S. President on February 10, 2007.
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Thus, as a matter of law, even a valid birth certificate showing that Mr. Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Hawaii would not suffice to grant Barack Obama the “natural born” status he requires to be U.S. President, absent a special statue of the U.S. Congress as was granted his 2008 Presidential rival John McCain.
Ironically, in 1986, this U.S. immigration and naturalization law was changed to grant John McCain “natural born” status despite his having been born in the U.S. Panama Canal Zone. The law change permits an individual born overseas to a U.S. parent married to an alien to acquire “natural born” status when born overseas in specific U.S. related facilities and territories.
Why such a clumsy forensic forgery in a Presidential birth certificate?
During his interview, Mr. Stanley was asked to speculate on the reason for such a clumsy forensic forgery in a Presidential birth certificate, as many independent researchers are speculating on this question. A recent poll indicates that more than 60% of U.S. adults believe that Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., thus potentially disqualifying him to be U.S. President.
Mr. Stanley responded that there are many possible scenarios for a clumsy forensic forgery. One scenario was that Mr. Obama was “set up” intentionally by other parties to release a fraudulent birth certificate to embarrass him politically. Another scenario was that the parties that colluded in producing the fraudulent birth certificate were careless and produced a second-rate forgery that could be broken by anyone with a working knowledge of Adobe Illustrator.
Is Barack Obama the next Richard Nixon?
In his ExopoliticsTV interview, Robert Stanley calls for a Congressional investigation of the apparent forensically fraudulent birth certificate of Mr. Obama. The White House, and federal agencies such as the FBI and Justice Department, have proved incapable of independently investigating this possible impeachable offence. The production of a fraudulent birth certificate for the purpose of qualifying for U.S. Presidential office would be a “high crime or misdemeanor” under the impeachment clause of the U.S. constitution.
The historical analogy that occurred to Mr. Stanley and to other reporters such as Amy Holmes while interviewing Mr. Stanley today for the Washington Times was that of former U.S. President Richard M. Nixon.
Mr. Nixon resigned the U.S. Presidency on August 9, 1974 in the face of likely impeachment resulting from the Watergate break-in on June 17, 1972, as a result on an alert security guard who discovered a taped door left unlocked by the Watergate burglars that Nixon himself had sent to steal political intelligence from the Democratic party headquarters at the Watergate Hotel.
By analogy, the carelessness of the forged birth certificate of Mr. Obama could be compared to the carelessness of the Watergate burglars who, by leaving the office door to the Democratic headquarters taped, tipped off a security guard that a Presidential-directed illegal search was afoot, which eventually brought the Nixon presidency down.
Is Barack Obama's birth certificate a distraction from his quantum access time travel pre-identification secret?
Robert Stanley and mainstream media journalists such as CNN commentator Amy Holmes agree that the potential significance of the forensic fraud of Mr. Obama’s, if validated, could go beyond the political repercussions of even Watergate.
There appears to be another hidden factor beyond the location of Mr. Obama’s birth that is at play here – quantum access time travel pre-identification of recent U.S. Presidents, including Barack Obama. The CIA has been pre-identifying future U.S. Presidents such as Barack Obama for 40 years and has, by the evidence, co-opted each of them into CIA.
This secret quantum access program controls the U.S. presidency and makes the United States a functional CIA dictatorship.
As this reporter has written, the eyewitness evidence of whistleblower Andrew D. Basiago, the attorney in Washington State who was a participant in the secret DARPA-administered Project Pegasus that developed Tesla technology-based "quantum access" to to past and future events, indicates that it is likely that by 1982 Mr. Obama had been personally informed by CIA that he was destined to be the U.S. President inaugurated on January 20, 2009.
Barack Obama was pre-identified in time as U.S. president by secret DARPA time travel program
The notion that President Obama has had a lifelong affiliation with the CIA is supported by the revelations of crusading lawyer Andrew D. Basiago about a heretofore unknown “quantum access” capability within the US intelligence community provided by time travel technology.
Mr. Basiago has been identified as a “planetary-level whistleblower” by the Web Bot for his account of a secret time-space program, Project Pegasus, launched by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s.
According to Mr. Basiago, by 1970, Project Pegasus was teleporting individuals between locations in time-space via “teleporters” based on the later works of Nikola Tesla and also propagating images of past and future events via “chronovisors” first developed by the Vatican scientists Pellegrino Ernetti and Pier Maria Gemelli.
These have been used to provide the U.S. president, intelligence community and military with better information about past and future events by which to engage in better contingency planning for future events.
In numerous TV and radio interviews, Mr. Basiago has described how, among other intelligence findings, Project Pegasus was identifying future American presidents and then approaching them and apprising them of their destinies as President.
He has described how as a child serving in Project Pegasus in the early 1970’s, he was present at lunches held at La Hacienda restaurant in Old Town Albuquerque, NM that were attended by project principals and future American presidents, including George Bush, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush, shortly after they were informed that Project Pegasus had found via quantum access that they would one day serve as President.
In appearances on talk radio’s Coast to Coast AM with George Noory in 2009 and 2010, Mr. Basiago described at length a 1982 meeting with Barack Obama in Los Angeles in which Mr. Obama also revealed his awareness that he had been briefed on the fact that the US government had detected that he was destined to reach the White House.
We can infer from this meeting between Mr. Obama and Mr. Basiago in 1982 that at age 20 Mr. Obama had already entered into at least a consultative relationship with the CIA, because at the time, the US government was the only country with a time travel capability and the CIA was known to be collecting the intelligence data about past and future events that Project Pegasus was gathering via its time travel technologies.
Continue reading on Examiner.com: Hidden story behind Jesse Ventura & Piers Morgan’s CNN clash over Obama CIA ties - Seattle exopolitics | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/hidden-story-behind-jesse-ventura-piers-morgan-s-cnn-clash-over-obama-cia-ties#ixzz1Kxml6rXV
Cui Bono? Who will be U.S. President on January 20, 2013?
The operant question as of this writing is whether Mr. Obama’s quantum access time travel controllers have determined that Mr. Obama will be the individual sworn in as U.S. President on January 20, 2013.
If CIA time travel has pre-identified Mr. Obama as U.S. President on January 20, 2013, then the “secret team” behind Mr. Obama may be taking a calculated risk with the newly released Obama birth certificate that there are enough Obama supporters in the main stream media through Operation Mockingbird and otherwise, and in the population, that the issue “will go away” or can be argued away on the basis of the technicalities of U.S. immigration and naturalization law.
If, on the other hand, Mr. Obama’s CIA quantum access controllers are aware through time travel pre-identification that some other individual is to be sworn in as U.S. President on January 20, 2013, then a crude and obvious forgery may be a perfect way to commence an internal “coup d’état” with outcome as yet unknown.
Vice President Joe Biden, Vice President of the United States, is most certainly a “natural born” citizen and a party loyalist.
Throughout this entire process, whatever the outcome (whether Mr. Obama stays or leaves as U.S. President), the principal objectives of the CIA time travel controllers and their loyal sycophants in the mainstream media will be to maintain the secrecy of the CIA's quantum access capability, and their secret control over the U.S. Presidency.
Further References
Covert Encounters in Washington, DC by Robert M. Stanley
http://www.unicusmagazine.com/p2_2.htm
Hidden story behind Jesse Ventura & Piers Morgan’s CNN clash over Obama CIA ties
http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/hidden-story-behind-jesse-ventura-piers-morgan-s-cnn-clash-over-obama-cia-ties
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There appears to be another hidden factor beyond the location of Mr. Obama’s birth that is at play here – quantum access time travel pre-identification of recent U.S. Presidents, including Barack Obama. The CIA has been pre-identifying future U.S. Presidents such as Barack Obama for 40 years and has, by the evidence, co-opted each of them into CIA.
This secret quantum access program controls the U.S. presidency and makes the United States a functional CIA dictatorship.
As this reporter has written, the eyewitness evidence of whistleblower Andrew D. Basiago, the attorney in Washington State who was a participant in the secret DARPA-administered Project Pegasus that developed Tesla technology-based "quantum access" to to past and future events, indicates that it is likely that by 1982 Mr. Obama had been personally informed by CIA that he was destined to be the U.S. President inaugurated on January 20, 2009.
Barack Obama was pre-identified in time as U.S. president by secret DARPA time travel program
Who are you kidding? You love the birther issue as much as anyone else.
33,NO ONE could read all the crap that he posts, him included.
Do you even read the articles you post?
Time travel is now involved in this giant conspiracy. Oh my.
NO ONE could read all the crap that he posts, him included.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371279.0
All you do is troll. You should be banned.
Busted: White House Now Claims They Ordered Short-Form COLB From Hawaii Department Of Health In 2008 Yet COLB Is Date Stamped 2007Did you see The Donald getting owned by Obama and then Seth Meyers?
OBAMARELEASE YOURRECORDS ON 2:12 PM
[revised] The Obama lies keep mounting. I just received a phone call from Pixel Patriot to head over to the White House website and check out the post on Obama's purported long-form birth certificate. After reading the post I was astounded to see what I saw. If you recall, one of the first Obama short-form COLB's posted online was the crease-less, seal-less, redacted COLB that is posted at Obama's FightTheSmears website.
Instead of the White House posting that COLB, or even the short-form with creases and a seal like at Factcheck, Pixel Patriot pointed out to me that they posted a new version of the original COLB in a monochromatic format. That is significant because you can no longer see the patterned background or the date stamp. That new version is a PDF document created from a JPEG image with a date stamp of April 25, 2011 originating from a Snopes message board.
The White House website is attempting to validate a presidential record originally introduced in 2008 to the public by referencing what appears to be a printout from a message board from two days prior. Robert Gibbs is on record admitting that he posted Obama's COLB on the Internet. Why would the White House now choose to source an image of an image which no Hawaii official could legally endorse as being issued from them?
It must be noted that there is no certificate number under the blacked out section of the COLB, now posted at the White House website or the one posted at FightTheSmears website.
Now here is where the big lie begins. If you read the first sentence of the post at the White House you will see that someone is flat out lying as to when the purported short-form COLB was ordered/issued from/by the Hawaii Department of Health.
The first part of the paragraph from the White House website reads:
"In 2008, in response to media inquiries, the President’s campaign requested his birth certificate from the state of Hawaii. The state sent the campaign the President’s birth certificate, the same legal documentation provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state, and the campaign immediately posted it on the internet." -Source.
This date stamp issue was raised before in the past but Factcheck claimed this:
"We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008,..." -Source.
Now that the White House admits they ordered the short-form in 2008 how could the short-form COLB be issued by the state of Hawaii in 2008 when the actual date stamp on the short-form COLB is date stamped June 6th, 2007?
Below are the pertinent screenshots, just in case they scrub-a-dub-dub, that show the White House and Factcheck are full of malarkey, as if we didn't know... Fact check that CrapCheck.org.
Hat tip Pixel Patriot. Please view Pixel Patriot's latest essay and video to see the real issue that Obama is up against, here.
Notre Dame Professor Charles Rice: Obama's eligibility could be biggest political fraud in the history of the world; time for a new approach -Details here.
Attorney Mario Apuzzo: All presidents born after 1787, except for Chester Arthur and Barack Obama, met the “natural born Citizen” criteria. -Details here.
Commander Charles Kerchner: List of U.S. Presidents - Eligibility under Article II Grandfather Clause (GFC) or Natural Born Citizen (NBC) Clause or Seated due to Election Fraud -Details here.
Jack Cashill Discusses Obama's Fraudulent Social Security Number Reserved for Connecticut Applicants -Video here.
Detailed reports on Obama's SS# can be found here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Visit the Birther Vault for the long list of evidence against Hawaii officials and all of the people questioning Obama's eligibility; [http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/video-ltc-terry-lakins-attorney-on-cnn.html].
Hawaii Sr Election Clerk-Obama Was NOT Born in Hawaii-Wash Times Natl Wkly-20100705 Pg 5
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=371279.0Pipe down, sonny.
All you do is troll. You should be banned.
Yeah trump was owned alright. Obama was forced to discuss his bc the whole time. Lol.You have no qualms about willfully denying reality, do you?
Yeah trump was owned alright. Obama was forced to discuss his bc the whole time. Lol.
hahahahahaha discussing the bc was to shit on trump more,really are you that num,whan people tell you a joke do they have to explain the punch line :D :D :D
The joke is on bama since he looks like a baby who played games on this for 3 years
You commies love the birthed issue.
beck talk, ;D this is getting good ;D
You are a commie.
that's what i like, anybody that doen't have your worped twisted thinking is a commie,that's why your post are so credible :D :D :D
Let's go by the credo of the communist manifesto. You agree w all of the goals and tenets of it, thus you are a red.McCarthy fan?
McCarthy fan?
Let's go by the credo of the communist manifesto. You agree w all of the goals and tenets of it, thus you are a red.
Yeah trump was owned alright. Obama was forced to discuss his bc the whole time. Lol.
Is it really that crazy of a CT? A lifetime liberal, using a platform provided by his liberal media employer, delivers a 3-month mission which benefits the liberal president by proving his legitimacy while at the same time keeping most other issues out of the limelight.
Yes. Turns out Joe was right.Great, you and Ann Coulter agree. I'm sold.
Kennedy was flirting w the kgb.You are a vile creature, rotten to the core.
You are a vile creature, rotten to the core.
Anyone ever told you that?
::)Funny.
Has someone been spending their unemployed days sitting at home and watching endless re-runs of how the Grinch Stole Christmas?
No wonder he is so fucked in the head.
Obama is obsessed with Donald trump.Crybaby.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4671338/night-of-comedy/
Obama is obsessed with Donald trump.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4671338/night-of-comedy/
Yes. Turns out Joe was right.
You are a vile creature, rotten to the core.
Anyone ever told you that?
No. Instead of trolling and stalking, why not contribute something?
Is it really that crazy of a CT? A lifetime liberal, using a platform provided by his liberal media employer, delivers a 3-month mission which benefits the liberal president by proving his legitimacy while at the same time keeping most other issues out of the limelight.
Trumo has been attacking bama on many issues its just that you crazies on the left only focus on this.
Joe mccarthy was right.You're into bondage, aren't you?
333 is stillhidingimagining a ton of shit.
Hahaha... Silly Birthers.HAHAHA! AWESOME PIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now we know why bama released the bc last week.
Take a poll.yours !?! ;)
What's Obama going to do next, rip off his T-shirt to expose his bony chest?
;D
Where is the long form death certificate for obl? We need to start a "Deathers" thread now.
Where is the long form death certificate for obl? We need to start a "Deathers" thread now.damn, dude ! you posted this before I could....'like minds.....'
A lot can happen in a year and a half. Remember bush senior?
a lot more of these bullshit surprises can happen too.
in the course of a week - he pwned half of the repubs in america by wiping his ass with the long-form BC and putting it on their breakfast muffin..
Then he stood there and cracked jokes on Trump to his fcking face - to which trump responded by WHINING? Is that true?
Then, he showed he personally ordered bringing down the #1 terrorist in the world, and he'll probably leak the evidence photos about 5 minutes before his next piece of bad luck politically, to bury that story too.
He beat mccain and hilary WITHOUT the power of the presidency. Honestly, I think he's going to be way tougher to beat now - and until some quality GOPers come out, I'm gonna tend to agree they believe it too. Why is t-paw the only guy to commit to the debate? Cause the rest know it's going to be a little awkward standing there trying not to commit on the birther issue while giving props to obama? It's a lose-lose.
1 1/2 years is a long time off. If gas is still $5 a gallon, UE, 10%, inflation raging, etc - this will be a distant memory.
Sarah Palin is awfully quiet ::) ::) ::)
1 1/2 years is a long time off. If gas is still $5 a gallon, UE, 10%, inflation raging, etc - this will be a distant memory.Seeing how we refuse to even look at the biggest nuclear nightmare ever and absolutely nobody gives a flying fuck when the shit hits the fan a few days after it happened, I'm guessing most of the population will not remember any of this in 3 weeks max.
Look - its a great day for everyone. i was in Grand Central this morning, on the subway, downtown - you and I are both NY'ers, I am not going to be political about this.
This is an awesome victory and day.
a lot more of these bullshit surprises can happen too.
in the course of a week - he pwned half of the repubs in america by wiping his ass with the long-form BC and putting it on their breakfast muffin..
Then he stood there and cracked jokes on Trump to his fcking face - to which trump responded by WHINING? Is that true?
Then, he showed he personally ordered bringing down the #1 terrorist in the world, and he'll probably leak the evidence photos about 5 minutes before his next piece of bad luck politically, to bury that story too.
He beat mccain and hilary WITHOUT the power of the presidency. Honestly, I think he's going to be way tougher to beat now - and until some quality GOPers come out, I'm gonna tend to agree they believe it too. Why is t-paw the only guy to commit to the debate? Cause the rest know it's going to be a little awkward standing there trying not to commit on the birther issue while giving props to obama? It's a lose-lose.
Didn't Bush senior have an 86% approval rating with a year left?
He would have won a second term if not for Perot though... Let's remember that.
great point. he would have won easily.
It's settled! Obama's ineligibleLink doesn't work, bro.
Now that Barack Obama has finally released his long-form birth certificate, the controversy is over. Right?
That's the news media's unanimous opinion.
Click here to learn more about the book that helped to reveal Obama's birth certificate.
Within minutes, perhaps seconds, of receiving the handout from the White House, our vigilant press watchdogs were busy attacking people like me and Donald Trump for even raising the issue of constitutional eligibility and proclaiming Obama meets all the requirements of the presidency.
Let me be the first to suggest the document Obama released demonstrates just the opposite – and raises far more questions than it answers.
For me, the release was not unexpected. For about two or three weeks, Jerome Corsi, author of the upcoming and already best-selling book, "Where's the Birth Certificate?," and I have been discussing our mutual expectation that Obama was going to be forced to act. Between the unprecedented success of the book in pre-sales, polls showing most Americans not believing Obama's birth narrative and Donald Trump's megaphone, he had no choice.
Obama recognized he was losing the battle for public opinion.
There's not a doubt in my mind that his central focus was to pull the rug out from under Corsi's book – which promises (and delivers, by the way) to prove Obama is ineligible for the presidency.
He was counting on the media to jump the shark as it did in the last 48 hours.
Now let me be the first to put everything in perspective and quickly dispatch the conventional wisdom about this new "proof" that Obama has released.
First, let's look at the document itself. I would like you to compare and contrast it with what I call the "control" long-form birth certificate from Hawaii circa August 1961 – the one belonging to the Nordyke twins, born just one day later than Obama's reputed Aug. 4 birthdate.
What do you see?
Do you see two documents that provide the same information? No. Do you see two identical documents? No.
Why not?
It's a simple question. Why would two long-form birth certificates from Hawaii, filled out at the same hospital within 24 hours of each other be so different?
No explanation was provided by Team Obama, and, of course, none was requested by the media watchdogs who were in a hurry to show they didn't miss the biggest political fraud of the 21st century.
Sadly, if what is represented on this new "birth certificate" is an accurate representation of Obama's actual birth, it does not prove he is eligible to be president, but just the opposite.
One of the reasons I was so eager to see the long-form document is because I was relatively certain it would provide different information than we saw in the short form certification of live birth released in 2008. I was relatively certain Obama was hiding something, for instance, the real birth father. Because if Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was, in fact, his dad, then there is no way he is eligible to be president. He was a visiting student from Kenya, a subject of the United Kingdom. He conferred U.K. and Kenyan citizenship on his son at birth.
The men who wrote the Constitution and used the phrase "natural born citizen" as a requirement of office intended that future U.S. presidents would not have "divided loyalties" or even the appearance of "divided loyalties." In other words, the type of president they were trying to avoid with this language was the very type represented by Barack Obama.
But it gets worse for Obama.
His sister, Maya, recently confirmed that her brother was adopted at the age of 5 by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, who moved Obama there where he lived and attended school for several years. Though we do not have any citizenship records for Obama during this period, it is hard to understand how he could have been adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and moved to that country for years without a change in citizenship. But let's put that issue aside for a moment, because there's something about this adoption that is a game-changer with regard to the validity and accuracy of the "birth certificate" Obama just released.
Anyone who has ever been involved in an adoption knows a few things most others don't know.
When an adoption takes place in the U.S., the original birth certificate is either amended or replaced entirely with a new document that shows the adoptive parent or parents as the birth parents.
Question: Why is the adoption of Barack Obama not noted in the original long-form birth certificate released by the White House this week?
We can hypothesize, of course, since no member of the media has bothered to ask the question. Let's guess that the adoption took place in Indonesia and Hawaii authorities were never notified. Does that change the reality of the adoption itself? Of course not. But it does invalidate the document we all saw this week for the first time. It is not an accurate reflection of the most basic facts needed to determine Obama's eligibility for the presidency. That document should list Indonesian citizen Lolo Soetoro as his father – not Kenyan Obama.
So here we have a man sitting in the White House who has two fathers – neither of which is able to confer U.S. citizenship on their son.
And yet the Big Media look at this document and see no problems.
Meanwhile, I look at them and, for the first time, can report with confidence that there is no way on earth Obama is eligible to be sitting in the White House. He's not qualified. He doesn't meet the test. And he has provided all the proof we need to draw that conclusion.
But, I must tell you, there is much more to this story than I can briefly share here.
It's coming very soon in the book by Jerome Corsi that prompted Obama to release a document he hoped would quell this controversy.
With your help, we can ensure Obama's political calculation does not succeed.
Joseph Farah
Editor and Chief Executive Officer
WND.com
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I think bama's long form is a fake. He times obl with his bullshit release for a reason.
FUBO.
there you have it.. you ask for long form.. he brings it.. and you deny it too.. hahahaha there is now reasoning with this kind of insanity
Brings it when it will get the least amount of scrutiny. IMHO, he is still hiding a ton of shit.Im sure.. youre pathetic
Im sure.. youre pathetic
Brings it when it will get the least amount of scrutiny. IMHO, he is still hiding a ton of shit.
Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal releases birth certificate
there you have it.. you ask for long form.. he brings it.. and you deny it too.. hahahaha there is now reasoning with this kind of insanity
Very credible source.
Thanks for posting.
FR and WND are pretty good no?If you're into the Birther issue, YES.
FR and WND are pretty good no?i'm all for keeping this alive for the election season.
i'm all for keeping this alive for the election season.
it will be an easy re election for BO.
;D
Why? He is probably gone from what I can tell. He won by 6 points last time, not 15 - 25 - 40. He won with a perfect storm to where anyone would have won running as a dem. And since then, he has only alienated people.
Thos obl thing is a flash in the pan. It will be long forgotten by next year.
i'm all for keeping this alive for the election season.
it will be an easy re election for BO.
History doesn't show that.
30 year recent history does show that without a HUGE outlier like a 3rd party run.... the incumbent has a HUGE advantage.
Not really. Clinton had dole at 5% UE, GWB barely won Ohio, etc.
GHWB was a mess between his NWO crap, perot, etc.
Reagan was of course in his own league.
Carter was a mess.
Bama is not going to have an easy time by any model. Again - he won by 6 points in a perfect storm tailor made for any dem. Since then, economically things have gotten worse, he has alienated tons of indes and others, and he is again pushing his crazy agenda.
History doesn't show that.
which is why we have to keep this birther certificate thing going!
Why? He is probably gone from what I can tell. He won by 6 points last time, not 15 - 25 - 40. He won with a perfect storm to where anyone would have won running as a dem. And since then, he has only alienated people.
Thos obl thing is a flash in the pan. It will be long forgotten by next year.
I am not going to post in this thread any longer...you guys are wasting your time on a dead issue..move on
This thread will never die until bama releases all his records and comes clean on everything.
This bullshit is still going on? I guess it is true... birthers are retards.
Not really. Clinton had dole at 5% UE, GWB barely won Ohio, etc.Do you mean in regard to raising taxes?
GHWB was a mess between his NWO crap, perot, etc.
Reagan was of course in his own league.
Carter was a mess.
Bama is not going to have an easy time by any model. Again - he won by 6 points in a perfect storm tailor made for any dem. Since then, economically things have gotten worse, he has alienated tons of indes and others, and he is again pushing his crazy agenda.
This bullshit is still going on? I guess it is true... birthers are retards.
Schooled!
High Tech High Students Expose Flaws in Obama’s Long Form Birth Certificate, Rescind Invitation for President to Speak at Commencement
By Walter Mencken | Published Wednesday, May 11, 2011
Text size: A | A | A
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2011/may/11/sdqt-schooled
I hate to say this but the birth cert released IS fake. I just confirmed this by checking it out myself after being shown these videos: Importing the pdf straight from the whitehouse into photoshop also exposes the added layers and items changed. It's not only fake, it's a really horrible fake. I guess there is something to this birther stuff. Isn't forgery a federal offense?
Of course anyone can make a fake anything... That doesn't mean that Obama's is a fake.it's taken from the whitehouse webpage. This isn't about someone duplicating that it can be faked. It's about showing why the official release IS FAKE. It looks pretty freaking fishy to me. Just importing it into photoshop will have you wondering wtf.
Yea, I'm about 99% sure it's fake. I'm not an expert on pdf docs so I'll leave that 1% unsure.
I hate to say this but the birth cert released IS fake. I just confirmed this by checking it out myself after being shown these videos: Importing the pdf straight from the whitehouse into photoshop also exposes the added layers and items changed. It's not only fake, it's a really horrible fake. I guess there is something to this birther stuff. Isn't forgery a federal offense?
i love it.. 3333 has a deep seeded hatred for the president.. not sure why.. but its to the point where he gets delusional and starts making shit up.. its hilarious to sit back and watch.. this guy is fully guano crazy
agreed.....I will leave it up to you guys to battle it out with him..I am leaving this thread permanently..good luck!..bye
i love it.. 3333 has a deep seeded hatred for the president.. not sure why.. but its to the point where he gets delusional and starts making shit up.. its hilarious to sit back and watch.. this guy is fully guano crazy
Is this like the affidavit from the former state employee who claimed the BC didn't exist?
If this one is fake and a forgery - maybe he was right? ;)
lol. Hey remember when you said if he released his BC this all goes away, and I said no, people would just claim it's a forgery? :)
quoted for prophesy
I got that crap today too and just started laughing my ass off.
They must be worried about something in his book coming out.
Why address the book if they have nothing to hide?
Do you get the emails from the obama team just for laughs?
Considering obama is selling BC T Shirts and Mugs now for campaign cash - this is not a ct at all and a political issue.
Considering obama is selling BC T Shirts and Mugs now for campaign cash - this is not a ct at all and a political issue.
Other than a letter supposedly from HI posted by the oh-so-honest administration on the WH website, when have you heard ANYTHING from a Hawaiian official that they issued any document concerning The One's birth? Onaka's office will NOT communicate with any news outlet to confirm he directed his signature stamp to be placed, or placed it himself, on any Obama document. No one from HI is talking.
The former (Republican) director of the State Department of Health said she personally reviewed the birth records and said they are legitimate.
Yes, she reviewed the birth records - before the long form was released. We do not know, nor has she made any statement since the release of the long form stating that it correctly reflects the information she viewed in the records on file.
Just a question. If she does, would the issue be dead then in your mind?
After posting that piece of sh!t on the WH website? As long as it took it should have been perfect. He obviously had assistance in preparing/obtaining that piece of sh!t and since we don't know where that assistance came from... EVERYONE in HI is suspect.
When independent forensic investigators from both sides of the aisle are simultaneously allowed access to both state and hospital original files... we'll see if I'm willing to accept anything. IF it can be documented that he was in deed born in HI to an American mother and a British father...
Then we can proceed to removing the usurper from office since he would be ineligible as a dual citizen at birth.
So it doesn't really matter what she says then and you are of the opinion many state officials in Hawaii are part of this conspiracy to hide the birth place of Obama?
And as predicted, you and Birthers still found problems with it.
And as predicted - they handled everything in shady as shit manor. Sorry - this is total bullshit, if the long form BC exists in an actual book - why not take a picture of the book itself or show the book itself as opposed to a already discredited computer generated image already shown to have multiple issues.
And as predicted - they handled everything in shady as shit manor. Sorry - this is total bullshit, if the long form BC exists in an actual book - why not take a picture of the book itself or show the book itself as opposed to a already discredited computer generated image already shown to have multiple issues.
Obama actually handled this pretty well. He gave birthers the middle finger until the MSM jumped on it, then released it and made a lot of people look silly.
He was never hiding anything. As it turns out, he had no reason to try and prove false allegations wrong.
Wow never thought we'd agree so adamantly on something.
lol. Hey remember when you said if he released his BC this all goes away, and I said no, people would just claim it's a forgery? :)Your prediction isn't exactly special in this case. He released a document that raises more questions than before it was released. The thing is so questionable it has people doubting like me who always believed the birther shit to be a joke. When the document you release turns skeptics into birthers... yea.... Sorry, no prize for this prediction.
Your prediction isn't exactly special in this case. He released a document that raises more questions than before it was released. The thing is so questionable it has people doubting like me who always believed the birther shit to be a joke. When the document you release turns skeptics into birthers... yea.... Sorry, no prize for this prediction.
I don't need a prize, but my prediction was dead on. I am going to give El Profeta a run for his money.All I meant to say is it's not exactly a special prediction. Dead on doesn't mean much. Most people figured the issue wouldn't be dropped by everyone. Now if you had predicted that Obama's released BC would be so sketchy everyone would still have doubts and even more people would wonder WTF then you'd have your special, "I told you so moment"
The release of his BC got the MSM off his back. It's a total non story at this point.
Shown by who? Photoshop geeks and people with an agenda? I'm sure anyone document could be claimed as 'fake' because of x, y and z.no, not any document can be claimed as fake. There are many ways to authenticate documents that are pretty solid. Fakes are actually pretty hard to get past good document authenticators.
Truth smacked you right in the mouth now take your medicine and deal with it.
All I meant to say is it's not exactly a special prediction. Dead on doesn't mean much. Most people figured the issue wouldn't be dropped by everyone. Now if you had predicted that Obama's released BC would be so sketchy everyone would still have doubts and even more people would wonder WTF then you'd have your special, "I told you so moment"
I don't think it was a special prediction either.whatever makes you happy. I suppose you have an explaination for the quirks around the pdf other than it doesn't matter, it is because you say so?...
But here's another one: it doesn't matter what Obama does or says from till November 2012 regarding his BC. People who have so much invested in this will never concede that he was born here. The main difference is it's now tabloid material.
whatever makes you happy. I suppose you have an explaination for the quirks around the pdf other than it doesn't matter, it is because you say so?...
I was right there laughing at birthers when he released his BC... When I saw the legitimate questions raised by this pdf, I had questions for the first time. That's a total joke to you right? Why don't you come up with some valid explainations... Start with the paper, why is it on the wrong paper? If you can't, maybe you should stop making predictions and pay attention to legit questions...
you can't even see the seal on this thing. lol, it's almost like they wanted to inflate the issue by releasing a document that raises more questions than before.
Corsi says he will name the person who forged the latest release.
World Net Daily approved. :) http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=301329::)
Most of the articles from WND that have been posted here have been from rightwingers. Put that in your pipe and smoke it BB... I never even brought up that site over this. I just see the questionable shit around this PDF BC release. So I'll take that as, "I got nothing" from you.
People who have so much invested in this will never concede that he was born here.
What you got from me is my statement that I believe the person who reviewed Obama's original birth records and confirmed they are legitimate.
I am MORE than willing to accept he was born in HI. I just want non-shady proof. AND, I want to know who the babydaddy is 100%. BOTH parents U.S. citizens and born on U.S. soil, he's a legitimate president. Parentage as he self reports, haul the usurper out of the WH NOW.
I don't believe we will ever see Mr. Transparency allow the records to be opened to legitimate authentication.
You need to go back and review what Fukiwhateverhernameis actually said. She claimed that the records are on file in accordance with HI laws, but NEVER actually said what they contained. And no one has vouched for this latest piece of sh!t.
Here is what she said:
"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."
And:
State Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino — a Republican — tried to put the issue of Obama's Honolulu birth to rest back in 2008 by declaring that she and Hawai'i's registrar of vital statistics had personally seen Obama's birth certificate.
"This has gotten ridiculous," Fukino told The Advertiser at the time. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy. ... We need to get some work done."
This was a second statement, which immediately after she was no longer working for HI health dept. Curiouser and curiouser.
Her second statement also contradicted her original statement about doing in on her own as opposed to doing it at the direction of Lingle.
Also:
Ex-Hawaii official
I want a NOW - second thought, I don't trust any of them now. I want Onaka UNDER OATH and the custodian of records UNDER OATH and forensic document examiners UNDER OATH. The bar gets higher and higher due to the shady manner it has all been handled.
Had the man just submitted a long form to the first court case instead of fighting it, this could have been gone by now (and him, but of course that's the problem for him).
Most of the articles from WND have probably been posted by yours truly. They have been all over the birther stuff from day one. I didn't realize you had some much in common with them. :)some much in common with them? yea.....
What you got from me is my statement that I believe the person who reviewed Obama's original birth records and confirmed they are legitimate.
some much in common with them? yea.....
No, what we got from you is nothing but faith, and that's about all you got....
Yes, I believe the person who said she reviewed the birth records, twice, over some kid on the internet with his computer claiming the documents are a fraud.
As do I.
I know agreeing with Beach is unreal to me too... but that's how it goes.
so many switching alliances............... ugh. this is like the show "Heroes". :D
so many switching alliances............... ugh. this is like the show "Heroes". :DPosted questions nobody is willing to answer... Don't blame me, blame the people that have no answer to good questions.,..
Ozmo, you're the king debunker,.... debunk this bitch so I can get back to laughing at birthers....
Right. I'm sure Donald Trump will be all over this. ::)
aren't we still waiting for the Donald's men, who went to Hawaii and "Found out some amazing things...." to tell just what they are?
(or is he planning another book ?)
And in other news... Thomas Jefferson may have owned slaves.....
Is there anyone with any power to make put this in the national spotlight?huh? :-\
Or is the evidence so weak it will be dismissed and therefore no one wants to touch it?
huh? :-\
Sorry lol.
Is there any one with the power to put this on the national spot light?
Why isn't Trump doing it?
Isn't it already in the national spotlight? The MSM is covering it. The whole movement lost whatever credibility it had (if it ever had any), but the media is still talking about it.
Are they talking about what people on this thread are recently saying since the LFBC was released? Are they talking how its being accused of being a fake? Just wondering.
we have proof that FOX NEWS is in on the lie.
Does anyone deny it? We see above that they scrubbed a line from the transcript/website which sure made obama look bad on it.
So now FOX - along with all the other media - is covering up the lie.
Can we PLEASE lump in fox with the puppet shady ass mainstream media now? Please?
Yes, most people deny it. Ozmo debunked the Connecticut SSN conspiracy theory.
my point, BB, is that whenever people accuse the "mainstream media" or the "lamestream media" of covering up obama birthplace Qs, they should really include FOX with that now.
Scrubbing a historical record (online archive) to conceal actual documents which cast doubt upon Obama's eligibility - they're taking sides in a major way here - taking the side of Obama over actual evidence.
I see. So Fox News was trying to hide the fact that they aired a show, viewable by the entire world, which included a segment that couldn't have longer than a minute or two, talking about some absurd story regarding a Conn. SSN.
Reasonable people don't believe that kind of nonsense.
Not so - he offered what is a far fetched, but plausible explanation.
the point is that FOX made the judgement call to REMOVE what they considered "unreasonable" from their transcripts.
Quite a judgment call there ;)
He pretty much blew it up.
I completely understand why the media isn't covering the "fake" SSN claim. It's in the same category as the grandmother allegedly saying Obama was born in Kenya.
There is a lot of info on Obama's bogus SS number that equally shows its horseshit.
Not so at all. That simply is utter nonsense. He took what is a statistical possibility and offered that as the explanation for anomoly that is obama's SS number. There is a lot of info on Obama's bogus SS number that equally shows its horseshit.
Beach Bum surely cannot list any of this info about the SS number, but he won't hesiate to speak authoritatively that it's all bogus :)
LOL. Nobody has any "authoritative" information showing Obama has a fake Connecticut SSN.
LOL @ this thread. BB ignoring facts about obama SS BS (we call that blindfolded kneepadding)... and 33 and 240 on the same side of this issue :P
I was referring to the dozen or so OTHER pieces of info about obama's SSNs popping up all over the grid in places which made no sense.
33 can list them. You can't. But I'm guessing you'll speak authoritavely that they're all nonsense.
Nobody can list "authoritative" info showing Obama has "SSNs popping up all over the grid." That is conspiracy theory garbage, which explains why the media isn't talking about it.
LOL @ this thread. BB ignoring facts about obama SS BS (we call that blindfolded kneepadding)... and 33 and 240 on the same side of this issue :P
Not so - he offered what is a far fetched, but plausible explanation.
You have been a liberal lapdog on this site for years. lol
Only since 2005 when I smelled the 911 BS.
I was anti-Kerry, very pro-Bush in 2004 elections. Longtime getbiggers remember.
Only since 2005 when I smelled the 911 BS.
I was anti-Kerry, very pro-Bush in 2004 elections. Longtime getbiggers remember.
So you think 911 was a repulibcan inside job designed to keep bush in office so therefore you are now liberal?
::) You claimed when Bush took office that the entire 911 conspiracy would be exposed by a new administration. It'll probably take me 60 seconds to find a quote.
That's right, my friends.
As you will soon see (or are), my predictions on election day oil pushing to affect gas prices and DOW will come true.
Early next year, you will see 240's dollar recession prediction, sadly, as other nations are all saying it now.
And 9/11 truth will come out in early 2009, as Bush agreed to let all the 911 evidence come out the day he leaves office.
My latest thought is that neoconservatism is dying. Wolfy, Rummy, and their gang are leaving DC. The desperation on the puppet generals to get on CNN and trumpet the "we need more war spending" is becoing clear. McCain has tried to fill the void left on the pro-war boat, but it's getting empty. Bush's new staff are bush1 transplants who hated the neocons.
The men who got us into these wars did 2 things. They put a US footprint into the area- much like vietnam or korea, we didn't win shit and we didn't lose shit. But we set up bases. Which means we'll never leave. The US presence in that region is now permanent. They also got RICH. Military spending was in the billions, and the neos are all going to wall street or pvt sector mil. contractors now. Cheney is going to be welcomed back to haliburton with open arms, and he'll be more involved with iraq AFTER he leaves office, with less accountability. And bush and his fam are building a compound in paraguay where they will retire to. bush will never be the brilliant consultant the others are, but he's rich from the favorable saudi oil deals he giftwrapped for poppy.
They didn't do two things- they didn't get their Iran=Iraq-Afghan hat trick. The people got wise to it and voted them out. War in Iran is not going to happen, barring a fake terror attack. but i don't think these men would be relinquishing power if they planned to hit iran next. They'll have to wait another 30 years and let their children take a shot at WW5. not on our dimes.
once I learned that Bush fought 441 days for a shoddy 911 investigation, and learned of all the inconsistencies of that day which he didn't want to look at -
Well, I questioned his judgement. 3000 deaths, and he didn't even wanna investigation? WTF, man?
mods, some people here are attempting to protect obama by turning this into a 240 thread :)
and I was wrong. I am wrong about a lot of things. Are we going to have a big circle jerk on it? Is this your means of derailing a thread about Obama? ;)
let's focus on the topic of the thread - obama's eligibility to be in office.
Lol
You said "Bush agreed to let all the 911 evidence come out the day he leaves office." What happened?
mods, please move this post to the CT board where this 911 garbage belongs.
Bwhahahahaha! Hey has Bush moved to Paraguay yet? lol . . . .
He'll, 240 if I did that I would have to send half of 33333's threads there too. Because he thinks there is a marxists conspiracy to destroy America through Obama (among other things) playing golf instead of fixing the economy. ;D
He'll, 240 if I did that I would have to send half of 33333's threads there too. Because he thinks there is a marxists conspiracy to destroy America through Obama (among other things) playing golf instead of fixing the economy. ;D
Your willingness to interject bush and 911 into threads in order to protect your messiah obama is starting to become obvious.
Your little act of "I'm republican" starts to wear thin when we see how hard you're working to defend his citizenship here.
If there was no doubt, if his case was airtight, everyone who is anyone with something to gain would be right behind it. Not the case.
Its not a CT - its right out in the open. If you had done an ounce of objective research into who you voted for you would understand just who you voted for instead of hoping for change.
The hack you voted for uses classic marxist language, implements reckless policiesthat are weaking and collapsing the economy, surrounded himself with radical leftists his entire life, promotes welfarism, class warfarism, policies that collapse the middle class, and you think this is all by accident that he is suh a complete disaster?
Ha ha ha .
Sixth,
Stop with the stereotyping, lumping, and broad brushing as a retort every time you are boxed in and called on your BS. It's stupid and tiresome.
Sixth,
Stop with the stereotyping, lumping, and broad brushing as a retort every time you are boxed in and called on your BS. It's stupid and tiresome.
Call it whatever the heck you want, when I know someone is actively on a course to undermine the nations' economy and "fundamentally transform" the USA, damn right I am going to obsess on what that asshole is doing.
Can 240 or Ozmo explain what he meant by this?
I know - but I want to see if you voted for this crap with open eyes.
Well he has about 1 year to change the constitution and redefine our nation as communists.
U guys are all really big fucking losers
This shit is borderline insane at this point..Like seriously.. from one human to another, your obsession isnt normal
Can you explain how obama got a CT SS number as proven above?I can explain that he showed his MF birth certificate, and the issue is dead..
I can explain that he showed his MF birth certificate, and the issue is dead..
He didnt show anything but a forged instrument. Have you not been following this thread?
Well if it was officially determined a forgery, why the fuck is Donald Trump not all over that?...
Can you explain how obama got a CT SS number as proven above?
Call him up and ask him.Wow.. amazing, this is your comeback?... Call him and ask him.. stunning
Im saying.. If the birth certificate was OFFICIALLY
Wnd.com should change their name to Birthers-r-us.com.
You see the article on the typefaces?
Yes. I believe the bc Obama put out is a forgery.
Do you have any idea what a huge conspiracy theory that is?It may be a CT, but it's not bigger than 911 or Pearl. Those CTs have much bigger ramifications if true.
I mean, that's bigger than any 911 or pearl harbor.
You're talking about the leader of teh free world faking his birth and the whole nation playing along with it - except for a few rogue authors and youtube CTers.
I mean, if you wrote a novel like that, it'd get laughed out of the room. Too unrealistic.
It may be a CT, but it's not bigger than 911 or Pearl. Those CTs have much bigger ramifications if true.
We have proof that the US Govt ok'd a 911-like plan in the 1960s - operation northwoods. Yes, it was a penstroke away from downing US planes in an actual false flag attack. Only JFK himself stopped the generals from doing it!
I am willing to bet this is pure conjecture turned into spin.
if you don't know what northwoods in, you are a horrible debunker LOL!
I've read about it. All i am saying is that your are spinning it based on conjecture.
in what respect, charlie?
"911 like plan"
Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.
The spin comes from implying 911 was a "northwoods" style plan.
To you, it's spin. To many others, it's the totality of all the things that don't make sense, a reluctance for investigation, and the similarities to Northwoods.
Once you look at who benefitted from 911, read PNAC plan for exactly the military action bush enacted, and remove the "but the govt wouldn't do that" excuse - which northwoods has clearly done... the top generals signed off on false flag terrorism, period.
'The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'
-- J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI
'The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.'
-- J. Edgar Hoover, former head of the FBI
Video: Fox News Contributor Major General Paul Vallely: I've had retired CIA Agents and Investigators look at Obama's birth certificate and 10 out of 10 say it is fraudulent. The interview aired on the Terry Lakin Action Fund radio show 6/13/2011.
does WND talk about 911, or they only address Dem CTs?
240 Derail #1
I'm keeping count now. ;D
With all this evidence I look for Obama to be stripped of the presidency within days....
Hours
White House operative heading 'birther' smear campaign?
WND ^ | 7/19/11 | Jerome R. Corsi
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=24513 (http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=24513)
FEDERAL JUDGE ORDERS DIRECTOR OF HEALTH TO APPEAR IN COURT AND SHOW CAUSE, WHY SHE REFUSES TO COMPLY WITH THE SUBPOENA AND ALLOW INSPECTION OF OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE ON FILE, WHICH HE, HIMSELF ALREADY MADE PUBLIC
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Taitz v Astrue motion to show cause
Today, as expected, Loretta Fuddy, director of health, continued stonewalling
claiming privacy. See attached, scanned filed motion for order to show cause
Motion was accepted by the US District Court in HI and was assigned to the chief judge Susan Oke Moulvanney and magistrate Richard Puggliose.
Hearing is set for September 14th, 10 am courtroom 6. This will be motion to compel and show cause for the director of Health to show cause to the judge, why she is refusing to comply with the subpoena and allow inspection of the original birth certificate, claiming privacy, while Obama has already waived privacy, posting the alleged birth certificate on line.
Fox news sent a crew. FOX HI reporter Andrew Pereira interviewed me and my experts at the Health Department and in the Federal Court.
they will be reporting shortly.
Nationally Syndicated talk show host Rusty Humphries came to the Health department and recorded the interview. He will be reporting on 280 stations.
I got a call from HI Reporter, their main news paper, I will give them an interview shortly.
I gave an interview to Jerome Corsi, it will be in Net World Daily
Obama in Kenya: "I am so proud to come back home"I now totally agree there are some legit questions around this birth thing. but posts like this cloud it with bullshit. Hell there are easily many Irish, German and Italians that would announce being proud to come back home while visiting the land of their heritage, or roots even though they are 2nd or 3rd gen in America lol. That really doesn't mean jack shit.
Bro, come on... GLOBE?!
It's a supermarket tabloid at a lower level than the National Enquirer... Come on man... Please stop this.
They broke the Edwards story no?
You do realize that noone reads the copy and paste articles you post up right? You're wasting your time moron
I read ALL of them if I have not read it from the source first.
Congrats you are officially a loser
As opposed to who you? Bro - you voted for Obama, and like the other pieces of rancid trash, you are in no position to call names.
Globe Magazine: Obama Panicked over Secret Police FileYou have got to be kidding me.
Globe Magazine ^ | September 21, 2011
President Obama is panicking over a secret police file loaded with evidence proving that his birth certificate - is a PHONY! Read all about what's in the file, now in the hands of two police departments, and why it's driving the fearful President to drink - only in the new GLOBE.
(Excerpt) Read more at globemagazine.com ...
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President Obama is still bugging birthers by rubbing copies of his birth certificate into their faces. Now the campaign is selling "Made in the USA" coffee mugs for Obama supporters. The mugs cost $20.
"There's really no way to make the birth certificate conspiracy completely go away, so we might as well laugh at it -- and make sure as many people as possible are in on the joke." reads the description on the Obama 2012 website. "Get your Made In The USA mug today."
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Haley Barbour To GOP Field: Drop The Birther Talk
translation?
Gov Perry, STFU... you're embarassing us all. Obama's on Leno last night mocking the GOP field for being a joke. You're not going to win, but you're going to stain Romney so bad he loses.
Pathetically, I am again getting hopeful on this issue gaining traction. Oh well, won't be the first time the roller-coaster ride has crashed.
Is this stupid thread still going? Stupid virgin 333386
Pictured below is the number of ppl who care
;D
[...] Orly Taitz [...]
LOL. Orly Taitz. What a joke.
If Obama attempts to suspend the US Constitution and/or declare martial law and/or suspend the 2012 election… chances of the natural-born citizen issue finding its way to the Supreme Court on the merits increase exponentially.
You (and Leo, who you quote) seriously believe that there exists a possibility that Obama will attempt to "suspend the US Constitution and/or declare martial law and/or suspend the 2012 election"? Seriously?!?
Your name is an understatement. You are completely and utterly fucking insane.
I'm still a birther.
This scares me... I truly don't think you are... I think you say it to either:
A: Get a rise out of people
or
B: Just say it because you hate Obama so much that you are willing to suspend your own rationality.
When you stop for about 30 seconds, you sound like a normal rational kind of person... Sure, you don't like Obama, and you won't vote for him (even if the alternative might be more insane... Have you heard the shit that Newt has said in the past?) but let's be honest here.
You can't POSSIBLY believe he's not a US citizen.
The US has every intelligence resource known to man to vet our Presidential candidates and you believe they would not have found out if they are US citizens? Come on man... I implore you to think about how irrational that sounds.
Obama acted no different than Cain in the whole BC issue. We all know cain was lying. Same for Obama.
Obama has already greatly underminded the USC via Fast n Furious, the DEA laundering money to the cartels, etc.
You can't POSSIBLY believe he's not a US citizen.
This is the typical misdirection spewed forth by Obama defenders. Obama MAY be a citizen. That issue has yet to be addressed by Obama with supporting documents.
However, us Birthers know Obama was born a dual citizen, and as such, is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by our Constitution to be eligible for the Office of President.
Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution of the United States
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
SCOTUS precedent
The Chief Justice Morrison Waite delivered the opinion of the Court.
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 (1874)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
This is the typical misdirection spewed forth by Obama defenders. Obama MAY be a citizen. That issue has yet to be addressed by Obama with supporting documents.
However, us Birthers know Obama was born a dual citizen, and as such, is not a "natural born Citizen" as required by our Constitution to be eligible for the Office of President.
SCOTUS precedent
The Chief Justice Morrison Waite delivered the opinion of the Court.
MINOR V. HAPPERSETT, 88 U. S. 162 (1874)
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
STOP LYING ALREADY! He released his birth certificate (not that he had to) which is all the proof the Department of State needs to establish his citizenship unequivocally.
Even if he were a dual citizen, dual citizenship by birth does not make some not a "natural born citizen" and if you think it does, then I challenge you to back it up with published precedential decisions, not the rantings of some guy on a blog or on talk-radio.
This quote says nothing about whether only those born in the country from two citizen parents are natural born citizens. It only says that they, unequivocally, are natural born citizens.
I understand that you probably aren't the sharpest tool in the shed (or in the scrap yard, for that matter), but if you are trying to convince grown-ups you really can't rely on your 3rd grade reading comprehension.
You seriously think that the resources in the government would not have vetted that?
STOP LYING ALREADY! He released his birth certificate (not that he had to) which is all the proof the Department of State needs to establish his citizenship unequivocally.
Even if he were a dual citizen, dual citizenship by birth does not make some not a "natural born citizen" and if you think it does, then I challenge you to back it up with published precedential decisions, not the rantings of some guy on a blog or on talk-radio.
This quote says nothing about whether only those born in the country from two citizen parents are natural born citizens. It only says that they, unequivocally, are natural born citizens.
I am going to be so sorry for engaging, but...
If he had stayed put living in the USA his entire life, I would have to agree, the BC is all it takes to establish citizenship. However, there are issues with him possibly becoming an Indonesian citizen and/or being adopted by an Indonesian national. That is why I say he MAY be a citizen. He was born one, but I do not know if he has remained one.
A dual citizen, born with allegiances to more than one country, can never be a "natural born Citizen."
It is the only definition (that I am aware of) which has been given to us by the Supreme Court. Can you identify any other definition of a "natural born citizen" given by the Supreme Court?
>:(
Known Photoshop.
(http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/5/w/1/1/P1010025_Welcome_to_Madha_Closeup.jpg)
Description: Photo hoax
Circulating since: Jan. 2010
Status: Fake
Text example:
Email contributed by an AOL user Feb. 19, 2010:
Subject: OOPS !
Have ya seen this one yet???
Sign Posted on the Road just outside Nairobi, Kenya
(see photo above)
Analysis: This is a hoax. First, Kenya's two main languages are Swahili and English. The road sign above contains what appears to be Arabic script. Second, the image was Photoshopped. The original, discovered by a user posting on the conspiracy-theory website AboveTopSecret.com, is of a road sign in Madha, a territory of Oman located in the United Arab Emirates. In English and Arabic, it says: "Wilayat Madha Welcomes You."
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/ss/welcome_to_kenya_sign.htm
Didn't think it was real. However, Obama aunt said she rememembered the young thug in Kenya as a baby.
Didn't think it was real. However, Obama aunt said she rememembered the young thug in Kenya as a baby.
(article about the arrest of Fitzpatrick snipped)
All this crap yet you haven't changed one persons mind...Get a life
::)
MONSTER EYE ROLL.
I'm still a birther.which is one of the reasons i love ya, bro !
blah blah blah Orly Taitz
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Obama Family: "Barack Obama Sr Married Anna Toot in Hawaii" "Their union produced B. Obama Jr."
All Africa ^ | 15 August 2004 | John Oywa
Posted on April 27, 2010, 7:35:01 PM EDT by bushpilot1
"According to the family, Obama's father travelled to America to study at the University of Hawaii in 1959.
While there, he worked for an oil company and married his second wife, a white woman, named Anna Toot, and their union produced Barack Obama Jr.
Obama's book says Obama Snr left his family in Hawaii after winning a scholarship to study in Harvard when his son was two years old.
The marriage later broke up after Anna's father opposed it, according to Mama Sarah.
"Anna's father was furious about the marriage and threatened to have Obama Snr expelled from the university. Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage," remembers Sarah."
(Excerpt) Read more at allafrica.com ...
Even Glenn Beck sez to get off these conspiracy stories. Instead, focus on the real issues that are upon us.
When Glenn thinks there is a crazy right fringe, then the fringe must REALLY be crazy!
....... and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."
Zullo says; "We are so convinced... let me go out on limb... I am going to put my reputation out there that we have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt--the higher standard--beyond a reasonable doubt that this document is an utter forgery."
Zullo also says; "the evidence we have acquired, new found evidence that we have never made public at any point in time, and we are not going to make public until we have the right opportunity, will convince even the greatest skeptic that this document is 100% a forgery."
His what?
So let me get this straight. They claim to have incontrovertbible evidence that will convince even the greatest skeptic that the President is constitutionally ineligible and they are not releasing it immediately? Some patriots...
Im still a birther
Im still a birtherYou are the white version of wiggs ::)