THE TERM 'REFINED' COMES UP A LOT AND IT TAKES YRS AND YRS TO ACTUALLY SEE OR WITNESS IT,MOST LIFTERS OR MOST COMPETITIVE BBERS NEVER SEE IT DUE TO QUITTING COMP BBING OR NOT TRAINING MUCH OR IF THAT ALL,VINNY ACTUALLY HAS ACHIEVED THAT GOAL HE HAS SEEN IT,HIS BUILD HAS A SHARP QUALITY AND STILL YOUNG LOOK TO IT,THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED TO BE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE IT THAT WAY.BY COMPETING AT THE SAME WGHT NOT OVERALL LOOK CAUSE THAT HAS CHANGED WITH THE REFINED ASPECT OF IT,VINNY HAS AVOIDED THAT TIRED ,LUMPY,LOOK THAT MANY OVER BULKED BBERS DID AND STILL PRACTICE.