So This Doug Miller Kid Claims He's Natural????

[Zillotch]

you're a non factor here.

And yet you expend the time to reply......

[Army of One]

And yet you expend the time to reply......

Say that to his face ****er and not online and see what happens. I train mma 6 times a week with specialty in Bolivian Swastika Stance, I would beat your ass like a chef beats an egg. Get caught in my rear Hungarian neckhold and you'll be more dazed and confused than a nun in a cucumber field. So unless you want to lose half of your teeth before your virginity then keep talking you hopped up guido greaseball.

[Disgusted]

here the thickness disgusted mentioned about certain shots's,where muscle thickness is maintained with condition that natty's can't keep for the most part..now again i don't know if this zane pic has been tamperd with either..

Don't think this is altered at all. Zane actually got fairly large and still ripped later in his career.

[Disgusted]

Why did u pick such a bad pic of his back? That was when he was 17

I don't think he was 17 there here is another pic from the same show in 2009.

[Disgusted]

He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.

Gotta disagree on the bolded part. I don't think he is grainy or overly hard in pics other than the photo shopped ones. As far as striations go that's diet. One of the best set of striated shoulders I have seen was the guy who put my roof on a few years ago. Never lifted a weight in his life other than rolls of tile and ate mainly beer. 

[Disgusted]

Not natty! There is a huge difference between Jeff and Doug.

[Disgusted]

 

[no one]

Thanks bro he knows nothing of what he speaks. Here's a pic from 2004 when she won the nabba figure America this was 11 years after she retired. Trained 11 weeks for this after not training for over ten years.

great physique and a good looking lady. congrats sir.

[no one]

oh look it's BoZo and Ziltch two of the boards biggest pansies. you clowns should team up w colon4life, septicpuss and eulogy and start your own 'I've been victimized by the mighty no one' support group.

you can have little meetings and talk about how to diet down from 20 to 15%, what size bras to wear for your pickle tits and take pics of each other's 14" arms to put in your avatars.

pansies.

[njflex]

all thats sayng here is he's suspect due to the factors in the pics presented,nothing proven cause we don't if does or not,or have proof.but he looks as good or if not better than a lot of guys on the jrusa/jrnational level who are using or using a lot...

[njflex]

Don't think this is altered at all. Zane actually got fairly large and still ripped later in his career.

zane was close to 205 at his heaviest so yeah,,but theres a pic he was 40 or 41 and he looked big but his stomach was wide'for him'and age thickening of course,but he had a 'more chemicaled look'than his usual sleeker build,of course he used through out but it seemed like he was keeping up with the newer guys ..heres the pic...

[GetItOnNY]

I knew Jeff Looked familiar

[Disgusted]

zane was close to 205 at his heaviest so yeah,,but theres a pic he was 40 or 41 and he looked big but his stomach was wide'for him'and age thickening of course,but he had a 'more chemicaled look'than his usual sleeker build,of course he used through out but it seemed like he was keeping up with the newer guys ..heres the pic...

Excellent observation. Yes I think he was trying to keep up but it wasn't going to happen. I do think he was in very good shape for getting as big as he did.

[Everhard]

He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.

Spot on with this. BTW, what is the difference between him and Layne Norton, and Matt Ogus who most on here believe are using the good stuff, yet most are saying Miller is natural.

[Tarantula157]

He is probably a very smart guy trains hard obviously.Natural, no way.I have compete naturally for 16 years, then competed as a open competitor for 10 years.
I been training 31 years.I have judged atleast 100 natural and open shows.
This guy is not natural.No way !!!!
He isnt massive, but he is to full , to hard ,and to grainy, to be natural.
Naturally you can get your glutes in ,its very very rare.Its genetics.
This guy is full, hard, and is to stridated to be natural.
Yes, he worked his ass off, and dieted hard, and suffered to obtain that condition.
I will give him that.
When you see a guy with fullness and conditioning of guys who are better then that at the National, and even PRO LEVEL.Yet claims to be drug free.
You got to be a foll to beleive in this nonsense.

100% correct.You can get extremely lean and shredded naturally but not in a combination with the size,thickness,fullness and roundness he has.

[Tarantula157]

Clearly better than Zane there.

Zane has prettier shape,better symmetry and proportions,but Doug is bigger,thicker and more shredded.

[Super Natural]

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[The True Adonis]

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Possible, but a tough pill to swallow.

[milone79]

The face says it all.

EYES OF A PSYCHOPATH!!!  WOULD NOT TRUST A WORD THIS FUCKER SAYS..

[old-school-lifter]

As natural as my mom's tits. Are you serious...you think this guy is natural?

NEVER lifetime natural

[old-school-lifter]

brutal receding hairline due to xs test

[njflex]

brutal receding hairline due to xs test

props for being well conditioned,,stage shots will look different more washed out,,but these pics as all others are impressive,,

[The True Adonis]

They should hold Bodybuilding contests on an overcast day in natural light.  I get the feeling that they have no clue what they are doing with lights.  It just ruins all physiques.  Overcast and natural light outside, you get a full representation of someones physique and they can`t hide anything either.  Stage lights are stupid.

[njflex]

They should hold Bodybuilding contests on an overcast day in natural light.  I get the feeling that they have no clue what they are doing with lights.  It just ruins all physiques.  Overcast and natural light outside, you get a full representation of someones physique and they can`t hide anything either.  Stage lights are stupid.

true man...often you see a hotel shot and ur  ,,then stage pics are shot and your like  ?wtf..

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Very impressive physique. Natural though ? I don't think so. And if he TRULY is, he's the biggest natty I've ever seen.