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Officials see rise in militia groups across U.S.
« on: August 12, 2009, 07:51:48 AM »
WASHINGTON – Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 07:59:13 AM »
WASHINGTON – Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_us/us_militia_movement


Good,hopefully they will attack the Southern Poverty Law Center,one of the most anti-freedom,anti-liberty groups in this country.

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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 10:11:28 AM »

Good,hopefully they will attack the Southern Poverty Law Center,one of the most anti-freedom,anti-liberty groups in this country.

Billy check out the Center for Race, Poverty and Environment too. Just about as bad.

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 10:22:30 AM »
Billy check out the Center for Race, Poverty and Environment too. Just about as bad.

Why cant these groups just leave people alone?It reminds me of Ruby Ridge.The guy just wanted to move away and be seperate but the government CANT have that ,so they trup up gun charges and shoot his family.YOU MUST OBEY!!!If you dont ,these snitch groups trupm up charges and tell the government to shut you down.Sad!!

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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 10:28:59 AM »
There are a bunch of special interest organizations that push the radical left agenda and operate under the banner of the government. If not directly, then under a cloak of implied immunity.

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 10:35:56 AM »
There are a bunch of special interest organizations that push the radical left agenda and operate under the banner of the government. If not directly, then under a cloak of implied immunity.

ACORN.
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 12:21:34 PM »
it'll be real easy for the media to wrap up burthers, deathers, militias, and gun owners up in the same anti-american blanket.

it worked in the 90s, as clinton had americans anti-gun and anti-militia at the same time. 

You repubs should smack the shit out of any repubs acting the fool.  Don't let them carry guns to rallies and scare joe public.

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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 12:28:12 PM »
it'll be real easy for the media to wrap up burthers, deathers, militias, and gun owners up in the same anti-american blanket.

it worked in the 90s, as clinton had americans anti-gun and anti-militia at the same time. 

You repubs should smack the shit out of any repubs acting the fool.  Don't let them carry guns to rallies and scare joe public.

And look what happened???   1994 GOP Tsunami.

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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 12:32:21 PM »
And look what happened???   1994 GOP Tsunami.

and a TEN YEAR ban on high-caps and useful rifles, via the brady bill.  And it didn't cost bill any votes in 96, did it?


Point is, if you're willing to accept another brady bill in exchange for some senate seats, you're a dummy.  :)

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 12:34:52 PM »
and a TEN YEAR ban on high-caps and useful rifles, via the brady bill.  And it didn't cost bill any votes in 96, did it?


Point is, if you're willing to accept another brady bill in exchange for some senate seats, you're a dummy.  :)

Perot and Bob Dole is why Clinton won.  Clinton never broke 50%.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 12:44:34 PM »
Perot and Bob Dole is why Clinton won.  Clinton never broke 50%.

Clinton was going to cream anyone in 96.  Dole was a war hero and one of the most respected statesmen in our nation.  highly intelligent.  never had a chance.

Clinton was on a roll by then, unstoppable.  I believe obama will have his legs by then too.  Clinton got all the anti-gun stuff done very early in his administration then went more moderate, and cleaned up with mods in 96.  Obama will likely be the same.



Point is, if you see some prick bragging about his guns or trying to intimate (which is what homeboy was doing with a revolution sign and open carry gun), you should smack the shit out of him and let him know he's giving the dems everything they need for a nice gun ban law.

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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 12:52:33 PM »
Clinton was going to cream anyone in 96.  Dole was a war hero and one of the most respected statesmen in our nation.  highly intelligent.  never had a chance.

Clinton was on a roll by then, unstoppable.  I believe obama will have his legs by then too.  Clinton got all the anti-gun stuff done very early in his administration then went more moderate, and cleaned up with mods in 96.  Obama will likely be the same.



Point is, if you see some prick bragging about his guns or trying to intimate (which is what homeboy was doing with a revolution sign and open carry gun), you should smack the shit out of him and let him know he's giving the dems everything they need for a nice gun ban law.

You dont get it bro.  240 - Clinton was not a true believer like Obama is.  Obame is a hardcore leftist and will not all of a sudden become a conservative after what he has already done. 

Clinton knew how to appeal to Southern whites, etc.   Obama is a completely different type than Clinton.  Finally, Clinton adopted the triangulation of dick Morris and was able to position himself as above it all.  While Obama has the dems running the show, he cant do that.       

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 12:57:23 PM »
You dont get it bro.  240 - Clinton was not a true believer like Obama is.  Obame is a hardcore leftist and will not all of a sudden become a conservative after what he has already done. 

Clinton knew how to appeal to Southern whites, etc.   Obama is a completely different type than Clinton.  Finally, Clinton adopted the triangulation of dick Morris and was able to position himself as above it all.  While Obama has the dems running the show, he cant do that.       

I also think Clinton REALLY wanted to help people.He LOVED the rich because they had the means to help the poor.Obama wants to steal the wealthys riches to "even the playing field" and punnish them for past unfairness.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 12:59:07 PM »
unbelievable they didn't have a problem with crap that happened under Bush.  But get a black man in there doing things they don't like and shit gets important for them ::)

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« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 01:02:06 PM »
You dont get it bro.  240 - Clinton was not a true believer like Obama is.  Obame is a hardcore leftist and will not all of a sudden become a conservative after what he has already done. 

Clinton knew how to appeal to Southern whites, etc.   Obama is a completely different type than Clinton.  Finally, Clinton adopted the triangulation of dick Morris and was able to position himself as above it all.  While Obama has the dems running the show, he cant do that.      

"I would support a full handgun ban" - Bill Clinton.

until you find obama saying something remotely this anti-gun, I have to believe theyre in the same ballpark.

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:00 PM »
unbelievable they didn't have a problem with crap that happened under Bush.  But get a black man in there doing things they don't like and shit gets important for them ::)

Bush never waged an personal assault on average americans daily lives like Obama is trying. 

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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:11 PM »
unbelievable they didn't have a problem with crap that happened under Bush.  But get a black man in there doing things they don't like and shit gets important for them ::)

Incredible that you libs LOVE playing the race card.Oh well,what would I expect from a guy who believes Obama never heard any of Wrights rants.I guess when your head is up a guys ass you cant see the truth.

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:52 PM »
I have a hard time believing that some of you are real people.

You can cut the paranoia and loathing in here with a butter knife.

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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 01:10:08 PM »
Incredible that you libs LOVE playing the race card.Oh well,what would I expect from a guy who believes Obama never heard any of Wrights rants.I guess when your head is up a guys ass you cant see the truth.
I don't go around doing that all the time.  ::)  Just looks like a factor here.  I see no reason I shouldn't mention it when it looks like it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 01:10:30 PM »
I have a hard time believing that some of you are real people.

You can cut the paranoia and loathing in here with a butter knife.

Nothing paranoid about the truth.Fact 20 years in Wrights church.Fact-denies EVER hearing aby racial rants.Fact-EVERYTIME Wright has spoken since he has backed up his racist rants ,including his most recent "DEM JEWS WONT LET ME IN TO SEE OBAMA".Paranoid?

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« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 01:11:40 PM »
I don't go around doing that all the time.  ::)  Just looks like a factor here.  I see no reason I shouldn't mention it when it looks like it.

did the rise of militias during Clintons' term have something to do with race?

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« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2009, 01:12:25 PM »
Bush never waged an personal assault on average americans daily lives like Obama is trying. 
::) Are you fucking serious? lol...  Yea I know all the standard neocon reasoning for everything they did.  I'm just shocked that you would side with it ::)  wait, no I'm not shocked.  It's who I figured you to be.  What was I thinking lol...

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« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2009, 01:15:37 PM »
::) Are you fucking serious? lol...  Yea I know all the standard neocon reasoning for everything they did.  I'm just shocked that you would side with it ::)  wait, no I'm not shocked.  It's who I figured you to be.  What was I thinking lol...

I aklready showed you yesterday that I got booted from FR for bashing Bush in 2005.  I guess you forgot that? 

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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2009, 01:18:40 PM »
kids, making it about race and bush is just silly.


just tell the A-holes that show up at rallies with guns to stay home.  Tell people asking Qs of their senators to be polite.  Tell those in your party to select a competent candidate with a clean personal life in 2012, not some flake drama queen.

It shouldn't be this hard to recover a party.  it's like you're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, with the giftwrapped unpopular shit obama has been delivering.  Why not give obama some approval points back by carrying guns to public events then going on NBC to show off.  Dumb shits.

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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2009, 01:37:24 PM »
Nothing paranoid about the truth.Fact 20 years in Wrights church.Fact-denies EVER hearing aby racial rants.Fact-EVERYTIME Wright has spoken since he has backed up his racist rants ,including his most recent "DEM JEWS WONT LET ME IN TO SEE OBAMA".Paranoid?
I have no idea what you are trying to convey.