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Title: mexican cartel
Post by: dan18 on November 06, 2019, 07:32:26 AM
kills mother and 6 kids shoots and burns them why do people from America want to live their.. at the same time they pose no threat to them why kill them killing kids is just fucked up
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 06, 2019, 08:12:44 AM
kills mother and 6 kids shoots and burns them why do people from America want to live their.. at the same time they pose no threat to them why kill them killing kids is just fucked up

There are rumors that the head of the killed family had connections with a rival cartel. Don't know if that's actually true or not. But I would never set foot in that god forsaken shit hole of a country. I would have a bullsye on my back if I was there.

The cartels are brutal and cannot be eradicated and disposed of. Just ask the Mexican army and government. Absolutely powerless against the cartels. The Mexicans breed like gremlins so genocide is out of the question. A vast majority of poor low class local citizens are forced to work for the cartels or risk having family members killed.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 06, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
That's the family that was on the Vice "documentary". Mormons who died the US so they could have multiple wives and not go to prison.

Idiots.  Could've ended a lot worse.  This could be them....

https://elblogdelnarco.com/2019/09/13/video-sanguinario-sicarios-del-la-familia-michoacana-apunalan-y-desollan-vivo-a-miembros-del-cjng/
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: joswift on November 06, 2019, 09:40:07 AM
kills mother and 6 kids shoots and burns them why do people from America want to live their.. at the same time they pose no threat to them why kill them killing kids is just fucked up

makes perfect sense...
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 06, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
As much as I hate to bring politics into this, Trump offered to bring our Military to eradicate Cartels much as he did with ISIS but Mexicos leftist President thinks it can be done with "Hugs, not bullets".

I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: joswift on November 06, 2019, 09:53:05 AM
As much as I hate to bring politics into this, Trump offered to bring our Military to eradicate Cartels much as he did with ISIS but Mexicos leftist President thinks it can be done with "Hugs, not bullets".

I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people

If he eradicates the Cartels then he will lilley eradicate a large percentage of the cops, for some its a dual role..
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Coach is Back! on November 06, 2019, 09:55:54 AM
If he eradicates the Cartels then he will lilley eradicate a large percentage of the cops, for some its a dual role..


Whatever it takes. Time to start over but to be fair to the cops, I would say the majority are threatened to comply
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 06, 2019, 10:10:15 AM
If he eradicates the Cartels then he will lilley eradicate a large percentage of the cops, for some its a dual role..


Many cartel members are ex mexican military that choose to go AWOL. America has nothing to gain in attempting to eradicate the cartels. It would be a losing battle. Just build that wall and keep the beaners on their side in their own country.

And if you're an american citizen who's stupid enough to travel into Mexico, then that's your ass and totally on you.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Irongrip400 on November 06, 2019, 10:11:22 AM
There are rumors that the head of the killed family had connections with a rival cartel. Don't know if that's actually true or not. But I would never set foot in that god forsaken shit hole of a country. I would have a bullsye on my back if I was there.

The cartels are brutal and cannot be eradicated and disposed of. Just ask the Mexican army and government. Absolutely powerless against the cartels. The Mexicans breed like gremlins so genocide is out of the question. A vast majority of poor low class local citizens are forced to work for the cartels or risk having family members killed.

I didn’t read that, I read that the sect was almost 3,000 people and had fights with the cartels over water and resources. They had 90 federal agents guarding them and recently had a majority of the officers moved elsewhere. A few of these people had already been kidnapped and killed a few years ago. Madness.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 06, 2019, 10:12:58 AM
I didn’t read that, I read that the sect was almost 3,000 people and had fights with the cartels over water and resources. They had 90 federal agents guarding them and recently had a majority of the officers moved elsewhere. A few of these people had already been kidnapped and killed a few years ago. Madness.

Whatever the real story is....fuck Mexico. You'll never see my ass over there for any reason.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: dan18 on November 06, 2019, 10:45:30 AM
As much as I hate to bring politics into this, Trump offered to bring our Military to eradicate Cartels much as he did with ISIS but Mexicos leftist President thinks it can be done with "Hugs, not bullets".

I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people
How about stay out of places we should go period..... why once again should we as a nation put our military in harms way for there fucked up country their own government and police cant do the job.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 06, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
As much as I hate to bring politics into this, Trump offered to bring our Military to eradicate Cartels much as he did with ISIS but Mexicos leftist President thinks it can be done with "Hugs, not bullets".

I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people

And that's putting it nicely Joe. "Inept, dangerous retards" is more fitting.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Obvious Gimmick on November 06, 2019, 11:03:35 AM
Shit, USA doesn't want to stop the cartels..billions and billions of dollars invested in their products. They'll make a token effort, a new hashtag #mormonstrong, and call it good
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 06, 2019, 11:25:59 AM
If you're white and you travel into Mexico and decide to stray away from the major resort areas, then you might as well paint a bullseye on your back while out riding on your rented moped scooter. You're likely to be kidnapped only to find yourself naked in a bathtub, minus a kidney or another major organ that is to be sold on the black market. Either that or held for a ransom that won't be paid and then tortured to death for fun. Yeah, my kind of place.  ::)
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Hypertrophy on November 06, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
Whatever the real story is....fuck Mexico. You'll never see my ass over there for any reason.

I've done business in Agua Prieta, Mexico. That's where they caught the suspect yesterday.
It's a shit hole town with a few nice restaurants. There is also an electronic assembly house there that was making wiring harnesses for Apache helicopters, lol. I visited them to see if they could build a commodity electronics part for me but it didn't work out.

The opposite side of the border is Douglas, AZ. It's a nice town but being so close to Agua Prieta it has its share of undesirables. It is quite shocking though seeing the condition of the Mexican town vs a US one.  The typical Mexican village is a ghetto. Just slimy. We later drove south through the Sonoran desert about 4 hours south of Agua Prieta and I thought I was heading into Afghanistan. Shack after shack until we came to another small town that looked kinda like a small Detroit.

Other than the resort areas Mexico is a Third World Country. A wall a mile thick should be built along the US border to keep the infidels out.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Powerlift66 on November 06, 2019, 11:58:10 AM
kills mother and 6 kids shoots and burns them why do people from America want to live their.. at the same time they pose no threat to them why kill them killing kids is just fucked up

Hey, just go tell them to pipe down and stop the killing, I just go on my way in Mexico and keep to myself w/ out issues. (he he).  :o
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 06, 2019, 12:26:51 PM
As Trump said, " They're rapists, murderers, and I suppose some of them are good people."
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: denarii on November 06, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
Whatever it takes. Time to start over but to be fair to the cops, I would say the majority are threatened to comply

try not to go to countries with an IQ below 90 unless you dont mind roughing it.

mexico is 88, so 25% or so below 80, and 70-80 is considered border line retard/ manual labourer. which is why these countries can never develop
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Skeletor on November 06, 2019, 01:23:32 PM
Whatever it takes. Time to start over but to be fair to the cops, I would say the majority are threatened to comply


No, kill the fuckers slowly and make them suffer. If they work with the cartels they betray the people they are supposed to protect.
This is how you treat this cancer:

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(https://i2.wp.com/chronicle.ng/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Entire-police-force-of-Ocampo-have-been-detained-by-federal-agents-following-the-death-of-Fernando-Angeles-Juarez.1.jpg?ssl=1)
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Primemuscle on November 06, 2019, 01:58:03 PM
I've done business in Agua Prieta, Mexico. That's where they caught the suspect yesterday.
It's a shit hole town with a few nice restaurants. There is also an electronic assembly house there that was making wiring harnesses for Apache helicopters, lol. I visited them to see if they could build a commodity electronics part for me but it didn't work out.

The opposite side of the border is Douglas, AZ. It's a nice town but being so close to Agua Prieta it has its share of undesirables. It is quite shocking though seeing the condition of the Mexican town vs a US one.  The typical Mexican village is a ghetto. Just slimy. We later drove south through the Sonoran desert about 4 hours south of Agua Prieta and I thought I was heading into Afghanistan. Shack after shack until we came to another small town that looked kinda like a small Detroit.

Other than the resort areas Mexico is a Third World Country. A wall a mile thick should be built along the US border to keep the infidels out.

Here are some statistics to ponder.

El Paso's average over the last 10 years is 18 murders per year. Juarez murders reach nearly 200 a month as Mexico’s next president prepares to face the violence
Juarez, once lauded for making significant progress in improving longstanding safety problems, has seen a dramatic sea-change back toward violence in 2018, especially during the summer months.

El Paso is the largest metropolitan area on the Texas border, and the El Paso-Juarez-Las Cruces region calls itself one of the largest binational regions in the world, with 2.5 million people. Thousands of people cross both ways over the border every day—Mexican elementary kids heading to U.S. public schools, U.S. residents working in Ciudad Juarez, students attending U.S. colleges and universities.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/01/crossing-the-mexican-american-border-every-day/426678/

(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/assets/media/img/posts/2016/01/AP_100216141075/0be9bbff7.jpg)

Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Henda on November 06, 2019, 02:01:37 PM
Fucking horrible inhuman filth to be able to do that to anyone, should be wiped out
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: illuminati on November 06, 2019, 02:49:20 PM
As much as I hate to bring politics into this, Trump offered to bring our Military to eradicate Cartels much as he did with ISIS but Mexicos leftist President thinks it can be done with "Hugs, not bullets".

I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people



I swear, the more leftists speak, anywhere, the more it’s proved how mentally inept and screwed up they are. Completely useless people.

X2 Totally Accurate
Very well summed up.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: robcguns on November 06, 2019, 04:03:59 PM
The USA needs to wage war against the cartels and fight them like isis.They need to be wiped out,to viscous for life.absolutely vile filth killing 8 month old babies.

The cartel should be the only war we are worried about,it’s to close to home and spreading like wild fire.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: robcguns on November 06, 2019, 04:05:25 PM
Fucking horrible inhuman filth to be able to do that to anyone, should be wiped out

I didn’t even read your ports but we use a lot of the same terms hahha
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Mr.1derful on November 06, 2019, 05:53:28 PM
Bad Homres.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 06, 2019, 06:13:00 PM
If you're white and you travel into Mexico and decide to stray away from the major resort areas, then you might as well paint a bullseye on your back while out riding on your rented moped scooter. You're likely to be kidnapped only to find yourself naked in a bathtub, minus a kidney or another major organ that is to be sold on the black market. Either that or held for a ransom that won't be paid and then tortured to death for fun. Yeah, my kind of place.  ::)

You obviously have all your Mexico info from TV. Nearly everything you say is wrong.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Tapeworm on November 06, 2019, 06:31:17 PM
You can't kill a hydra. As long as there are billions of dollars to be made in drug sales someone is going to do whatever it takes to make it. Ban booze, you get Al Capone. Add more police, you just get more corruption.

Legalization of drugs would put these fuckers out of business in one week without a shot fired. How many soldiers are they going to afford by shaking down hookers and bean farmers? They'd evaporate.

I understand legalizing drugs isn't an idea everyone supports since there's an argument to be made that you shouldn't have the right to decide things for yourself and these decisions should be made for you by your government in order to protect you from yourself.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 06, 2019, 06:40:14 PM
You can't kill a hydra. As long as there are billions of dollars to be made in drug sales someone is going to do whatever it takes to make it. Ban booze, you get Al Capone. Add more police, you just get more corruption.

Legalization of drugs would put these fuckers out of business in one week without a shot fired. How many soldiers are they going to afford by shaking down hookers and bean farmers? They'd evaporate.

I understand legalizing drugs isn't an idea everyone supports since there's an argument to be made that you shouldn't have the right to decide things for yourself and these decisions should be made for you by your government in order to protect you from yourself.

Eh, then we'd have to start producing heroin and coke here. The coke is coming from South America and heroin (tar, at least) is actually coming from Mexico.

The "wars" are fought over smuggling routes and which group handles the shipments (Sinaloa vs. CJNG vs. CDG is like DHL vs. FedEx vs. USPS) from Colombia/Peru/Bolivia up through Mexico and into the US. Unless we start producing coke here, there will always be a "war". At the very best, legalization may drop the price and that may trickle down so instead of bringing in 8billion/yr, they bring in 4billion, or even 2... Still plenty cash/biz to fight a war over.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: tres_taco_combo on November 06, 2019, 06:48:11 PM
interesting thread and opinions

Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Tapeworm on November 06, 2019, 07:12:58 PM
Eh, then we'd have to start producing heroin and coke here. The coke is coming from South America and heroin (tar, at least) is actually coming from Mexico.

The "wars" are fought over smuggling routes and which group handles the shipments (Sinaloa vs. CJNG vs. CDG is like DHL vs. FedEx vs. USPS) from Colombia/Peru/Bolivia up through Mexico and into the US. Unless we start producing coke here, there will always be a "war". At the very best, legalization may drop the price and that may trickle down so instead of bringing in 8billion/yr, they bring in 4billion, or even 2... Still plenty cash/biz to fight a war over.

Nonsense. It would be a commodity like anything else. You might as well argue that we have to make tequila domestically so the Mexican tequila cartels don't have wars in the streets while the salsa and copper sink gangs battle it out in the mountains.

Prohibition yields a black market controlled by violent gangsters. It's pure geometry and historically proven.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Fortress on November 06, 2019, 09:58:02 PM
You can't kill a hydra. As long as there are billions of dollars to be made in drug sales someone is going to do whatever it takes to make it. Ban booze, you get Al Capone. Add more police, you just get more corruption.

Legalization of drugs would put these fuckers out of business in one week without a shot fired. How many soldiers are they going to afford by shaking down hookers and bean farmers? They'd evaporate.

I understand legalizing drugs isn't an idea everyone supports since there's an argument to be made that you shouldn't have the right to decide things for yourself and these decisions should be made for you by your government in order to protect you from yourself.

Legalize all you want, as far as I’m concerned ... as long as our nations stop being welfare states. Otherwise, no dice: I’m not in favour of my money being used to deal with the “fallout” from others’ poor decisions/choices.

Oh, and give the legal system teeth.

None of this revolving-door feelgood cuckery.


Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: pellius on November 06, 2019, 10:47:38 PM
Nonsense. It would be a commodity like anything else. You might as well argue that we have to make tequila domestically so the Mexican tequila cartels don't have wars in the streets while the salsa and copper sink gangs battle it out in the mountains.

Prohibition yields a black market controlled by violent gangsters. It's pure geometry and historically proven.

Finally, someone that knows economics and how the free market works.

In a legal business, you have competition through price, quality, and service. If you break the trade laws and business regulations we go to court. If it's an illegal business someone gets killed. Products get cheaper, better and safer.

FFS, we already went through this with Prohibition. We keep dumping money, resources, and lives and it's done nothing. 
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 06, 2019, 11:17:18 PM
Finally, someone that knows economics and how the free market works.

In a legal business, you have competition through price, quality, and service. If you break the trade laws and business regulations we go to court. If it's an illegal business someone gets killed. Products get cheaper, better and safer.

FFS, we already went through this with Prohibition. We keep dumping money, resources, and lives and it's done nothing. 

Except we produce alcohol here. Legalization of heroin and coke will change very little until we produce it here.

we already grew weed here, and have very little use for shitty old, dry, dirty mexican weed.

legalizing meth would thin the herd and crime rates would sky rocket. 

coke and heroin are still gknna have to xome from somewhere else, and as long as pharma companies sell pain killers making opiate painkillers more easily available is a more likely scenario, along with Adderall. The sudden lack of pain pill availability is what drives most people to use heroin.

Only way that works is if tax $$ from rec drug sales goes towards rehab for those who want it, and making it easier to obtain certian drugs to come off "worse" drugs, such as benzos (for alcohol withdrawal, and withdrawal in general... Else you'll have opiate addicts going to alcohol to come off opiates), Suboxone/Subutex/sublocade/methadone/etc, along with things like ibogaine/iboga as well as other hallucinogenics.

There's too much money to be made by keeping the stuff illegal and it's not off-put nearly enough by people calling for legalization and taxation.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: pellius on November 06, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
Except we produce alcohol here. Legalization of heroin and coke will change very little until we produce it here.

we already grew weed here, and have very little use for shitty old, dry, dirty mexican weed.

legalizing meth would thin the herd and crime rates would sky rocket. 

coke and heroin are still gknna have to xome from somewhere else, and as long as pharma companies sell pain killers making opiate painkillers more easily available is a more likely scenario, along with Adderall. The sudden lack of pain pill availability is what drives most people to use heroin.

Only way that works is if tax $$ from rec drug sales goes towards rehab for those who want it, and making it easier to obtain certian drugs to come off "worse" drugs, such as benzos (for alcohol withdrawal, and withdrawal in general... Else you'll have opiate addicts going to alcohol to come off opiates), Suboxone/Subutex/sublocade/methadone/etc, along with things like ibogaine/iboga as well as other hallucinogenics.

There's too much money to be made by keeping the stuff illegal and it's not off-put nearly enough by people calling for legalization and taxation.

If it's legal and money is to be made it will be produced in the US. But it doesn't matter. Legalization will change everything. There will be no smuggling routes but more business for trucking, shipping and air freight companies. More and more consumer goods are not produced in the US and we still get them and we get them cheaper -- and no one is getting murdered for it.

The consequences for people who do things irresponsibly to themselves is a separate issue entirely. The biggest killer in our society is heart disease and it's mostly because of irresponsible abuse of food. Should the government control what people eat and the lifestyle choices they make? We'd certainly be a much healthier society and medical cost will go down. But the question is not always what is best or healthiest for you but rather who should decide.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Fortress on November 06, 2019, 11:36:32 PM
Fucking shitty humans.

Addicts, murderers, freaks, and fuckups at every turn.

Weakness and a lack of discipline. Void of character. Inability to consider decency a value in and of itself.

Fuck the world.

Hail and kill.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 07, 2019, 08:07:09 AM
You obviously have all your Mexico info from TV. Nearly everything you say is wrong.

You can say I'm wrong all you want but as far as my safety and well being goes, my gringo ass will never set foot in that shit hole of a country. Enjoy your visits there all you want. Enjoy and go see all the country side and meet with all the friendly low class citizens it has to offer.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 07, 2019, 10:46:41 AM
Fucking shitty humans.

Addicts, murderers, freaks, and fuckups at every turn.

Weakness and a lack of discipline. Void of character. Inability to consider decency a value in and of itself.

Fuck the world.

Hail and kill.
It is very depressing looking to the future with the way things are going.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 07, 2019, 11:20:52 AM
Looks like there is no more 'juicing' trips to Tijuana for South Cali bodybuilders !.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: oldgolds on November 08, 2019, 08:25:30 AM
Legalization would create 10 times more addicts with all of the resulting social ills like crime, broken families, welfare, rehabilitaion centers, medical costs etc......All of which WE will have to pay for....
The only course left is what we are doing now, even though it's not very effective.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Humble Narcissist on November 08, 2019, 09:58:02 AM
Legalization would create 10 times more addicts with all of the resulting social ills like crime, broken families, welfare, rehabilitaion centers, medical costs etc......All of which WE will have to pay for....
The only course left is what we are doing now, even though it's not very effective.

Maybe not.  Holland legalized all drugs and crime didn't go up at all.  The people who are going to use will use regardless of the consequences but I totally agree that the tax payer shouldn't have to pay for rehab and medical.  If people want to use legally then they should be responsible for the aftermath.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Primemuscle on November 08, 2019, 12:14:58 PM
Maybe not.  Holland legalized all drugs and crime didn't go up at all.  The people who are going to use will use regardless of the consequences but I totally agree that the tax payer shouldn't have to pay for rehab and medical.  If people want to use legally then they should be responsible for the aftermath.

I don't disagree with you. People should take responsibility and suffer the consequences of their actions. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Gregzs on November 08, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
Shocking moment Mexican police officer who arrested drug lord El Chapo's son is shot 150 TIMES in brutal broad daylight revenge execution

The Mexican police officer involved in the arrest of the son of reputed drug lord Joaquin 'El Chapo' Guzman has been assassinated in a parking lot.

Closed circuit television cameras captured the horrifying moment on Wednesday morning when at least two armed men with semiautomatic rifles climbed out of a red car and opened fire at a white Nissan four-door sedan.

The ambush took less than 30 seconds as the gunmen fired at least 150 bullets into the white vehicle.

The red car had followed the white car into the parking lot of a shopping center in Culiacán, the capital of Sinaloa state, Infobae.com reported.

The victim was a high-level officer with Sinalo's State Preventive Police.

Local media reports indicate that the officer was involved in the October 17 arrest of Ovidio Guzmán López, the son of Sinaloa cartel boss Joaquín 'El Chapo' Guzmán.

Mexican security forces had Guzman Lopez outside a house on his knees against a wall before they were forced to back off and let him go as his cartel's gunmen shot up the Culiacan.

Defense Secretary Luis Cresencio Sandoval last week showed video and presented a timeline of the failed operation to arrest Guzmán López - an incident that embarrassed the administration of President Andrés Manuel López Obrador.

The video shot by soldiers shows Guzmán exit the house with his hands up.

Soldiers order him to call off the attacks around the city as gunfire is heard in the background.

Guzmán called his brother Archivaldo Iván Guzmán Salazar on his cellphone and told him to stop the chaos.

Archivaldo refused and shouted threats against the soldiers and their families.

The attacks continued and eight minutes later the first wounded soldiers were reported.

Archivaldo Guzmán surely knew at that point that the cartel had the upper hand.

Thirteen people were killed in gun battles around the city.

Officials in Mexico City ultimately ordered security forces to withdraw four hours after the operation began to avoid more bloodshed.

Mexico's Public Safety Secretary Alfonso Durazo said that the aborted operation to arrest Guzmán Lopez was a 'hasty action' that deserves criticism - but the details revealed that the arrest had been in the works for more than a week.

The government's timeline of events showed that the U.S. government requested Guzmán Lopez's arrest for extradition on September 13, and on October 9 a special Mexican army anti-drug unit traveled from Mexico City to Culiacan to prepare.   

Authorities were still in the process of obtaining a search warrant when the operation began on October 17 outside a large home where Guzmán Lopez had been located.

As they moved on the house, gunmen began attacking those involved in the operation.

Sandoval said that once lawmen came under attack, the search warrant was no longer needed.

What seemed clear was that once the operation started, government forces were quickly outmaneuvered by the Sinaloa cartel.

Military planners had four additional teams forming an outer security ring for the operation, but the cartel's gunmen cut off the routes for three of them preventing additional support from arriving.

Meanwhile, the cartel sent convoys of gunmen to several military installations around the city to attack soldiers and their families.

At one military housing block, a sergeant ushered children who were playing outside to safety, but he was taken hostage.

In all, two officers and nine soldiers were taken hostage by the cartel, according to Sandoval.

The bulk of them were providing security for two fuel tanker convoys at a toll plaza on the outskirts of the city.

Sandoval said soldiers estimated that 150 gunmen in 30 vehicles arrived.

Once Guzmán Lopez was released, all the military personnel were let go and the team that had captured Guzmán Lopez left.

It was unclear was who was negotiating with cartel during the confrontation.

Sandoval said that the leader of the team with Guzmán Lopez was offered $3million to let him go, but refused and was then told the cartel would kill him and his family.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7662587/Mexican-police-officer-arrested-El-Chapos-son-assassinated-hail-bullets.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR0DE8ywkESzyVC0T_z9_afM4CesK71GKkWMTlFZ6YI-0UJ93D6bFkQsuQk
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Tapeworm on November 08, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
Legalization would create 10 times more addicts with all of the resulting social ills like crime, broken families, welfare, rehabilitaion centers, medical costs etc......All of which WE will have to pay for....
The only course left is what we are doing now, even though it's not very effective.


Proof? Countries with more permissive drug laws haven't suffered that fate.

Besides, it isn't a question of weighing up ills vs benefits. Let's assume you're right and all that shit would happen. You're ok with kicking in some guy's door and dragging him off to prison for sitting in his living room smoking a joint?

"He's a drain on society!"

Actually the #1 drain is obesity related illness. Diabetes and heart disease.  By a wide, wide margin. So let's go kick in that fat fuckers door. I bet he's eating a doughnut right now.

"Hey, whoa, you can't arrest a guy for sitting on his couch eating doughnuts, ya nazi!  Freedom is our core value here!"

Oh.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: tommywishbone on November 08, 2019, 08:36:16 PM
Gentlemen, you can never, and I mean NEVER legalize cocaine and/or heroin.  Absolute madness. 

The problem with Mexico? It's full of worthless filthy Mexicans. 

Viva America!
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: pellius on November 09, 2019, 03:11:53 AM
Legalization would create 10 times more addicts with all of the resulting social ills like crime, broken families, welfare, rehabilitaion centers, medical costs etc......All of which WE will have to pay for....
The only course left is what we are doing now, even though it's not very effective.


Perhaps. But just like abolishing Prohibition caused more drinking it greatly, GREATLY, reduced the amount of crime, cost of enforcement, and murders. What we are doing now is costing billions of dollars and created the cartels. We are already experiencing the consequence of drug abuse. With legalization, it will still be there minus the cost and murders.

If more people took the time to research how many innocent lives are lost -- murdered -- due to the drug wars you might have a different perspective.

Keep doing what we are doing? Body bags are stacked outside morgues in Mexico. A family with little children were murdered.

Not very effective but keep doing what we are doing?
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: pellius on November 09, 2019, 03:15:11 AM
Gentlemen, you can never, and I mean NEVER legalize cocaine and/or heroin.  Absolute madness. 

The problem with Mexico? It's full of worthless filthy Mexicans. 

Viva America!

Why? Opiates are legal. How many deaths do they cause?

Those "filthy Mexicans" don't live in a vacuum. It bleeds over to our side.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: hardgainerj on November 09, 2019, 06:20:01 AM
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/11/op-ed-lebaron-family-is-more-mexican.html
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Primemuscle on November 09, 2019, 10:16:03 AM
Gentlemen, you can never, and I mean NEVER legalize cocaine and/or heroin.  Absolute madness. 

The problem with Mexico? It's full of worthless filthy Mexicans. 

Viva America!

They are not even legal in the Neatherlands.

You may be surprised to learn that recreational drugs are illegal in the Netherlands. Yes, even pot. But an official policy of tolerance emerged and in 1976 the Dutch parliament decriminalized possession of less than 5 grams of cannabis.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/amsterdam-travel-legal-parameters/index.html
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Primemuscle on November 09, 2019, 10:23:31 AM
Why? Opiates are legal. How many deaths do they cause?

Those "filthy Mexicans" don't live in a vacuum. It bleeds over to our side.

You're right, opiates are legal, but only when purchased from a pharmacy with a doctor's prescription. Opiates have caused enough deaths and ruined enough lives that the manufactures are facing heavy fines and possible prison.

Purdue Pharma filed for bankruptcy. What does it mean for lawsuits against the opioid manufacturer?
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: D.O.A. on November 09, 2019, 11:10:52 AM
Fucking horrible inhuman filth to be able to do that to anyone, should be wiped out
x 2!
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: tres_taco_combo on November 09, 2019, 01:00:30 PM
I will give my 2 cents:

at the core of it: parts of the Southwest are still the "wild west" that shit runs deep.  Enter certain parts of Mexico and Arizona towns at your own risk -

I live in Arizona (I live in old whitey retirement N scottsdale) so I do not run across the bandidos and cartels but it is heavy in certain parts of Southern AZ. If lived in a rural part of Southern AZ, I would always have a firearm on me. its the wild west still.

my old sales manager, his father was a rancher in Nogales, AZ and he said there several gun fights between ranchers and illegals/cartels over the years.

again stay away from trouble areas -

southern AZ is a creepy - even more so at night in the winter
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 09, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
I will give my 2 cents:

at the core of it: parts of the Southwest are still the "wild west" that shit runs deep.  Enter certain parts of Mexico and Arizona towns at your own risk -

I live in Arizona (I live in old whitey retirement N scottsdale) so I do not run across the bandidos and cartels but it is heavy in certain parts of Southern AZ. If lived in a rural part of Southern AZ, I would always have a firearm on me. its the wild west still.

my old sales manager, his father was a rancher in Nogales, AZ and he said there several gun fights between ranchers and illegals/cartels over the years.

again stay away from trouble areas -

southern AZ is a creepy - even more so at night in the winter

Good news, Wild West still exist  :D
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: tres_taco_combo on November 09, 2019, 01:12:30 PM
Good news, Wild West still exist  :D

it is still the "Wild West"
its just modernized and the random Waffle House on I-10

do your best as if you Clint Eastwood and shoot from the hip  8)
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 09, 2019, 01:17:22 PM
it is still the "Wild West"
its just modernized and the random Waffle House on I-10

do your best as if you Clint Eastwood and shoot from the hip  8)


That's why I Love America !.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 09, 2019, 02:56:36 PM
You're right, opiates are legal, but only when purchased from a pharmacy with a doctor's prescription. Opiates have caused enough deaths and ruined enough lives that the manufactures are facing heavy fines and possible prison.

Purdue Pharma filed for bankruptcy. What does it mean for lawsuits against the opioid manufacturer?

Only when the user can't get them anymore and doesn't have access to detox/"comfort" meds.

If the user has unlimited and affordable access to opiates, there's no problem. Some ppl function just fine on opiates and feel they wayyyy better than any antidepressant would. Not everybody "nods off" (I fucking hate that term. That kid I (un)sponsored a while back [who I posted copies of his retarded texts] would always talk about "nodding".."did it make you nod?" Etc..when I used, I never "nodded", nor did I ever use the term)... Most ppl who become addicted to opiates get an "up" feeling... Nothing like a stimulant like amphetamine or cocaine however. It's not till you try to come off that problems begin. Personally,I have no idea why I actually decided to come off, since I still had access to cartel-direct uncut shit and could afford it.

Legalization of meth would cause a huge problem, however. Stims really fuck up people's brains and behavior.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 09, 2019, 03:00:37 PM
You can say I'm wrong all you want but as far as my safety and well being goes, my gringo ass will never set foot in that shit hole of a country. Enjoy your visits there all you want. Enjoy and go see all the country side and meet with all the friendly low class citizens it has to offer.

Exactly... All you do is repeat the sensationalized shit you see on TV as "fact", yet you've never been there and have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about.

Pathetic.

Mexico is nice, and the people are a whole lot nicer than the pieces of shit like you who populate the US. (Or Canada, in "Fortresses" case).

If you're not in the drug biz you have nothing to worry about, fucking coward.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: hardgainerj on November 09, 2019, 07:06:43 PM
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Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: hardgainerj on November 09, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
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Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: pellius on November 09, 2019, 08:31:04 PM
You're right, opiates are legal, but only when purchased from a pharmacy with a doctor's prescription. Opiates have caused enough deaths and ruined enough lives that the manufactures are facing heavy fines and possible prison.

Purdue Pharma filed for bankruptcy. What does it mean for lawsuits against the opioid manufacturer?

That's one of the advantages of legalization. You have legal means of recourse. In the black market, the only enforcement is broken bones or death.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: MoralMan on November 10, 2019, 09:25:42 AM
Londons gangs are nothing compared to these guys
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: tres_taco_combo on November 10, 2019, 09:39:53 AM
the Eric Holder thing is crazy -  some how they sold guns to the cartel to track the gun flow and then one gun was used to kill a US boarder worker.

Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: IRON CROSS on November 10, 2019, 11:19:09 AM
Londons gangs are nothing compared to these guys


& Sadiq Khan London cops would use very harsh lingo against those guys  ;D
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 10, 2019, 03:51:35 PM
Exactly... All you do is repeat the sensationalized shit you see on TV as "fact", yet you've never been there and have no clue whatsoever what you're talking about.

Pathetic.

Mexico is nice, and the people are a whole lot nicer than the pieces of shit like you who populate the US. (Or Canada, in "Fortresses" case).

If you're not in the drug biz you have nothing to worry about, fucking coward.

Whatever ya say, brown boy. Make sure to acquire a grappling hook to scale that wall when we finally build it. Wear some Kevlar if you try.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 10, 2019, 03:56:38 PM
Whatever ya say, brown boy. Make sure to acquire a grappling hook to scale that wall when we finally build it. Wear some Kevlar if you try.

You must be new here.

I'm white... Ran a biz in Mexico & Smuggled from Mexico for years.

Between me an you, I think I know a good bit more about Mexico than a fucken coward like you, cowering in fear at the thought of going to the border. The word for you isn't "xenophobic", it's "sissy".
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: WoogsRaven on November 10, 2019, 04:05:26 PM
You must be new here.

I'm white... Ran a biz in Mexico & Smuggled from Mexico for years.

Between me an you, I think I know a good bit more about Mexico than a fucken coward like you, cowering in fear at the thought of going to the border. The word for you isn't "xenophobic", it's "sissy".

Good for you, jack....I don't 'cower'.....I reserve my right to bear arms...And Mexico isn't my idea of a vacation along any border. Eat a dick.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: chaos on November 10, 2019, 04:05:45 PM
Having spent some time in Juarez, I can tell you it's a shithole warzone with bullet holes all along the brick walls and businesses that line the streets.
Reynosa was also littered with holes and a dead horse in the gutter. :-X
TJ was a complete clusterfuck of "military" vehicles and Mexican "army" guys running in traffic.
Nogales was dirty, trashy, falling apart and crowded as all hell.
In each of these in cities, I was told it would be in my safest bet to have an employee of the facility I was visiting to come meet me at the border crossing. I took my chances in TJ and drove myself, only once. It's not like it was back in the 90's. :-\
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: ESFitness on November 10, 2019, 04:28:25 PM
Having spent some time in Juarez, I can tell you it's a shithole warzone with bullet holes all along the brick walls and businesses that line the streets.
Reynosa was also littered with holes and a dead horse in the gutter. :-X
TJ was a complete clusterfuck of "military" vehicles and Mexican "army" guys running in traffic.
Nogales was dirty, trashy, falling apart and crowded as all hell.
In each of these in cities, I was told it would be in my safest bet to have an employee of the facility I was visiting to come meet me at the border crossing. I took my chances in TJ and drove myself, only once. It's not like it was back in the 90's. :-\

TJ's "safe" if you're white. Drove all over, even at night (looking for stripclubs w/gf). Same with Rosarito, Ensenada, Mexicali, Cancun, Yucatan, etc..

There's even "military" trucks on the streets in Cancun, on and off the main road that goes down to Belize.

Only time I've ever been "aware" of any danger was at night in Tijuana on some back roads with my ex, back in 00/01, and then in Cancun driving back from Chetchen Itza w/the gf at the time(sp?? The Mayan pyramids, which are wayyyy deep in the jungle, and it's a long ride back to. Cancun and that road is dark and everything closes.).. both times I had to give the girls heads up that if we get pulled over, I'm probably gonna have to kill the "person" ("c**" word), because they're gonna take all my/our money, and that ain't gonna happen (had a lottt of cash on me and I'm not parting with it), so don't be surprised, cuz if it's me/us or them, it's definitely gonna be them going first.

But that never happened. Only times I've ever been shaken down was in Tijuana..first when I was 16 or 17? (in a bathroom stall getting ready to do a shot of test, I hear a click behind my head, hear someone clear their throat, then get poked in the back of the head with a revolver barrel. Turned around and had what I thought was a cop staring at me... Longer story, but made short, i think I just lost $20 & gave me back my steroids) then the only other time was when I was like 20-21 when a stripper set me up. (Cops put me in the back of a truck, drove me to an atm, had me take out a bunch of cash/pesos.. refused to take the pesos, then back in the truck, got out at a money exchanger, took some cash but gave me back change, and left me there... And gave me back the bag of Valium I had on me lol.. had to take a cab back to the border).

There's other stuff, but that's the only times I've lost money, I think anyways, and that's just typical LE shakedowns for not much cash
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Primemuscle on November 10, 2019, 06:09:49 PM
TJ's "safe" if you're white. Drove all over, even at night (looking for stripclubs w/gf). Same with Rosarito, Ensenada, Mexicali, Cancun, Yucatan, etc..

There's even "military" trucks on the streets in Cancun, on and off the main road that goes down to Belize.

Only time I've ever been "aware" of any danger was at night in Tijuana on some back roads with my ex, back in 00/01, and then in Cancun driving back from Chetchen Itza w/the gf at the time(sp?? The Mayan pyramids, which are wayyyy deep in the jungle, and it's a long ride back to. Cancun and that road is dark and everything closes.).. both times I had to give the girls heads up that if we get pulled over, I'm probably gonna have to kill the "person" ("c**" word), because they're gonna take all my/our money, and that ain't gonna happen (had a lottt of cash on me and I'm not parting with it), so don't be surprised, cuz if it's me/us or them, it's definitely gonna be them going first.

But that never happened. Only times I've ever been shaken down was in Tijuana..first when I was 16 or 17? (in a bathroom stall getting ready to do a shot of test, I hear a click behind my head, hear someone clear their throat, then get poked in the back of the head with a revolver barrel. Turned around and had what I thought was a cop staring at me... Longer story, but made short, i think I just lost $20 & gave me back my steroids) then the only other time was when I was like 20-21 when a stripper set me up. (Cops put me in the back of a truck, drove me to an atm, had me take out a bunch of cash/pesos.. refused to take the pesos, then back in the truck, got out at a money exchanger, took some cash but gave me back change, and left me there... And gave me back the bag of Valium I had on me lol.. had to take a cab back to the border).

There's other stuff, but that's the only times I've lost money, I think anyways, and that's just typical LE shakedowns for not much cash

Fortunately when I got 'shaken down' by the supposedly police in TJ,  it was so long ago there were no ATM's. My money was in my sock and I showed him my empty wallet. He told me and my girl friend to start walking back to the border, which we were going to do anyway. If you took your car into Mexico, you didn't stop or park in TJ, but headed straight to Ensenada where the food was great back then.
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Kwon on November 11, 2019, 02:42:07 AM
Mexican Cartel

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Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: hardgainerj on November 11, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
https://twitter.com/LPueblo2/status/1193334572987101184

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Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: Darren Avey on November 12, 2019, 05:16:27 AM
My London firm is not scared of anything
Title: Re: mexican cartel
Post by: MarkyStevo on November 14, 2019, 12:15:55 PM
Wow! This is horrible. I can't believe this is real.