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[Colossus_500]

or this teaching of Jesus...

Luke 19:27-"But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!'"

The alleged Jesus said many different things...that one is my personaly favourite...

So, for you, it boils down to the same beef that every other deist or atheist believes....if God is so loving, why does he allow evil?  Why does he allow the slaughter of women and children?  The age-old question that really doesn't desire an answer from those who do not believe in the deity of Christ. 

[loco]

or this teaching of Jesus...

Luke 19:27-"But as for these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king-bring them here and slaughter them in my presence!'"

The alleged Jesus said many different things...that one is my personaly favourite...

Jesus did not say that, but instead the king in a story that Jesus told is the one who said that.  Below is the complete passage.  In this story, the king whom Jesus is talking about is most likely Herod Archelaus: http://www.livius.org/he-hg/herodians/herod_archelaus.htm

Luke 19:12-27 (New International Version)

12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'

 14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

 15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

 16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

 17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

 18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

 19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

 20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'

 22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'

 24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'

 25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'

 26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

[Deicide]

So, for you, it boils down to the same beef that every other deist or atheist believes....if God is so loving, why does he allow evil?  Why does he allow the slaughter of women and children?  The age-old question that really doesn't desire an answer from those who do not believe in the deity of Christ. 

No it doesn't boil down to that at all. I have stated repeatedly that it is a silly question. There is no god, hence the question of good or evil is an invented one. 'Why' questions usually are invented, much like your fictious deity has been invented.

[Deicide]

Jesus did not say that, but instead the king in a story that Jesus told is the one who said that.  Below is the complete passage.  In this story, the king whom Jesus is talking about is most likely Herod Archelaus: http://www.livius.org/he-hg/herodians/herod_archelaus.htm

Luke 19:12-27 (New International Version)

12He said: "A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return. 13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas.[a]'Put this money to work,' he said, 'until I come back.'

 14"But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, 'We don't want this man to be our king.'

 15"He was made king, however, and returned home. Then he sent for the servants to whom he had given the money, in order to find out what they had gained with it.

 16"The first one came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned ten more.'

 17" 'Well done, my good servant!' his master replied. 'Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.'

 18"The second came and said, 'Sir, your mina has earned five more.'

 19"His master answered, 'You take charge of five cities.'

 20"Then another servant came and said, 'Sir, here is your mina; I have kept it laid away in a piece of cloth. 21I was afraid of you, because you are a hard man. You take out what you did not put in and reap what you did not sow.'

 22"His master replied, 'I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then didn't you put my money on deposit, so that when I came back, I could have collected it with interest?'

 24"Then he said to those standing by, 'Take his mina away from him and give it to the one who has ten minas.'

 25" 'Sir,' they said, 'he already has ten!'

 26"He replied, 'I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but as for the one who has nothing, even what he has will be taken away. 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

The good old, 'it's all just a parable' line; thanks loco. 

Loco if you believe that evolution is true, then I am sure you would agree that Genesis is a fictitious account of how life began? Why do you believe that the alleged Jesus of Nazareth 'died' for the sins of two nonexistent individuals?

[loco]

The good old, 'it's all just a parable' line; thanks loco. 

De nada!   

Loco if you believe that evolution is true, then I am sure you would agree that Genesis is a fictitious account of how life began? Why do you believe that the alleged Jesus of Nazareth 'died' for the sins of two nonexistent individuals?

I accept evolutionary change "at" and "below" the level of species.  I do not accept evolutionary change "above" the level of species, or particles to people evolution.   I believe that God created Adam and Eve as human beings and that we descended from them. 

When I see evidence such as human DNA and chimp DNA being 95%-98% similar, I see it as evidence that chimps and humans share, not a common ancestor, but a common supreme designer and creator.

Jesus himself spoke of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus said that God created the world.  So according to Jesus, Genesis is true.  So if I'm always going to be a fool to the world anyway simply for calling myself a Christian, I may as well be a consistent fool and believe in Genesis because according to the same Jesus that I claim to believe in, Genesis is true.

[Decker]

It's rather obtuse to think that brilliant people can't be mentally ill.  John Forbes Nash comes to mind, as do Hemmingway, Winston Churchill, Abraham Lincoln, Vincent van Gogh, for starters.  Many creative, intelligent people have mental problems.

That having been said, is it delusional for Mr./Mrs Neumann to keep their daughter from getting medical attention because they believe Satan is afoot and only God can oust the evil? Yeah, and even most religious people would condemn that.  The same people who think that if they pray hard enough with a group of businessmen, God will take time out of his busy schedge to smile upon them and their fiscal concerns.  Many atheists find that delusional as well. I don't, as it's harmless, but, some do.

Is it delusional to sit in front of the religion channel, (which is basically the home shopping channel for the spiritually bereft) writing checks to a man in a bad hairhat who, waving spiritual baubles in your face, tells you you'll be "planting seeds in heaven"?  Most atheists would say, yes it is. And sad, too. Yet millions give for "the harvest", and millions watch... rapt.

Is it delusional to hope the earth crashes and burns as soon as possible, so the "righteous" will have their orgasmic epiphany as God raptures them? Yes, and most atheists find that idea abhorrent.  Yet those people are out there.

Is it delusional to support Hagee the Obese when he proclaims that Bush is the Messiah and that Hitler was God's Great Hunter? Yes, most atheists would say so. Yet, the man has a large following.

That's why it is also great that a handful of people, like those above, and those who composed that new Manifesto, come along and try to bring people better role models... as well as to promote education and learning rather than feed into peoples' weaknesses.

I like you Deedee.

[Deicide]

I like you Deedee.

I want to marry her and I don't ever even want to get married ...

[Deicide]

De nada!   

I accept evolutionary change "at" and "below" the level of species.  I do not accept evolutionary change "above" the level of species, or particles to people evolution.   I believe that God created Adam and Eve as human beings and that we descended from them. 

When I see evidence such as human DNA and chimp DNA being 95%-98% similar, I see it as evidence that chimps and humans share, not a common ancestor, but a common supreme designer and creator.

Jesus himself spoke of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jesus said that God created the world.  So according to Jesus, Genesis is true.  So if I'm always going to be a fool to the world anyway simply for calling myself a Christian, I may as well be a consistent fool and believe in Genesis because according to the Jesus that I claim to believe in, Genesis is true.

You are quite proud of your foolishness, aren't you?

[loco]

You are quite proud of your foolishness, aren't you?

If you call belief in Jesus Christ foolishness, then yes, I am proud of it.

1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14
"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

[Deicide]

If you call belief in Jesus Christ foolishness, then yes, I am proud of it.

1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14
"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Lo encuentro verdaderamente tan triste que usted se parece ser un hombre inteligente que ha lanzado su intelecto por esperanza falsa y la consolación deshonesta. Usted cree en estas cosas porque usted desea que eran verdades, no porque son. Realmente es triste.

[Colossus_500]

If you call belief in Jesus Christ foolishness, then yes, I am proud of it.

1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

1 Corinthians 2:14
"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I'll second that motion, Loco.   

[loco]

Lo encuentro verdaderamente tan triste que usted se parece ser un hombre inteligente que ha lanzado su intelecto por esperanza falsa y la consolación deshonesta. Usted cree en estas cosas porque usted desea que eran verdades, no porque son. Realmente es triste.

Thanks very much Deicide!  I appreciate your words, I really do!  But likewise, it saddens me that you cannot experience the peace and joy that only faith in Jesus Christ can offer, along with His Holy Spirit and eternal life.  But maybe some day you will.  Don't be sad for me though.  I'll be just fine.  As I've told you before, I used to be a bad man many years ago, and for me to do good things and stop doing bad things, it took Jesus Christ.

[loco]

I'll second that motion, Loco.   

 

[Deicide]

Thanks very much Deicide!  I appreciate your words, I really do!  But likewise, it saddens me that you cannot experience the peace and joy that only faith in Jesus Christ can offer, along with His Holy Spirit and eternal life.  But maybe some day you will.  Don't be sad for me though.  I'll be just fine.  As I've told you before, I used to be a bad man many years ago, and for me to do good things and stop doing bad things, it took Jesus Christ.

So for you, religion is moral viagra and without it you would be raping, robbing and killing?

[loco]

So for you, religion is moral viagra and without it you would be raping, robbing and killing?

Nope.  All I know is that Jesus Christ changed me.  And I have seen many other lives changed by Jesus Christ. 

[Deicide]

Nope.  All I know is that Jesus Christ changed me.  And I have seen many other lives changed by Jesus Christ. 

So transparent.... So sad...

[loco]

So transparent.... So sad...

I'm not sure what you mean, but Jesus did change me and he has changed many lives.  Here yet another example:

"Carl Gustav Jung (July 26, 1875, Kesswil – June 6, 1961, Küsnacht) was a Swiss psychiatrist, influential thinker, and founder of analytical psychology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

"Jung's influence can sometimes be found in more unexpected quarters. For example, Jung once treated an American patient (Rowland H.) suffering from chronic alcoholism. After working with the patient for some time, and achieving no significant progress, Jung told the man that his alcoholic condition was near to hopeless, save only the possibility of a spiritual experience. Jung noted that occasionally such experiences had been known to reform alcoholics where all else had failed.

Rowland took Jung's advice seriously and set about seeking a personal spiritual experience. He returned home to the United States and joined a Christian evangelical church. He also told other alcoholics what Jung had told him about the importance of a spiritual experience. One of the alcoholics he told was Ebby Thatcher, a long-time friend and drinking buddy of Bill Wilson, later co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Thatcher told Wilson about Jung's ideas. Wilson, who was finding it impossible to maintain sobriety, was impressed and sought out his own spiritual experience. The influence of Jung thus indirectly found its way into the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous, the original 12-step program, and from there into the whole 12-step recovery movement, although AA as a whole is not Jungian and Jung had no role in the formation of that approach or the 12 steps."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung#Spirituality_as_a_cure_for_alcoholism

[Deicide]

I'm not sure what you mean, but Jesus did change me and he has changed many lives.  Here yet another example:

"Carl Gustav Jung (July 26, 1875, Kesswil – June 6, 1961, Küsnacht) was a Swiss psychiatrist, influential thinker, and founder of analytical psychology."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung

"Jung's influence can sometimes be found in more unexpected quarters. For example, Jung once treated an American patient (Rowland H.) suffering from chronic alcoholism. After working with the patient for some time, and achieving no significant progress, Jung told the man that his alcoholic condition was near to hopeless, save only the possibility of a spiritual experience. Jung noted that occasionally such experiences had been known to reform alcoholics where all else had failed.

Rowland took Jung's advice seriously and set about seeking a personal spiritual experience. He returned home to the United States and joined a Christian evangelical church. He also told other alcoholics what Jung had told him about the importance of a spiritual experience. One of the alcoholics he told was Ebby Thatcher, a long-time friend and drinking buddy of Bill Wilson, later co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) Thatcher told Wilson about Jung's ideas. Wilson, who was finding it impossible to maintain sobriety, was impressed and sought out his own spiritual experience. The influence of Jung thus indirectly found its way into the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous, the original 12-step program, and from there into the whole 12-step recovery movement, although AA as a whole is not Jungian and Jung had no role in the formation of that approach or the 12 steps."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung#Spirituality_as_a_cure_for_alcoholism

And plenty of Hindus have been changed by Vishnu; what exactly is your point? None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the truth of Christian claims.

[OTHstrong]

Lo encuentro verdaderamente tan triste que usted se parece ser un hombre inteligente que ha lanzado su intelecto por esperanza falsa y la consolación deshonesta. Usted cree en estas cosas porque usted desea que eran verdades, no porque son. Realmente es triste.

I find it sad too that you being so intelligent don't believe in our saviour Jesus Christ. You don't believe because you don't want to believe not because it isn't real 
I am also spanish

[loco]

I find it sad too that you being so intelligent don't believe in our saviour Jesus Christ. You don't believe because you don't want to believe not because it isn't real 
I am also spanish

Bienvenido, hermano! 

[Deicide]

Bienvenido, hermano! 

 

[loco]

And plenty of Hindus have been changed by Vishnu; what exactly is your point? None of this has anything whatsoever to do with the truth of Christian claims.

Good for them.  And some of those Hindus later become Christians.  I happen to know three former Hindus turned Christians really well.  Most of my friends happen to be from India.  Some of my Indian friends even grew up in Christian homes in India.  But I know, this isn't proof that Christianity is true.  It's all about grace through faith.

"Christians, including Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants form the third largest group in Kerala. Since centuries, they have blended well with the changing socio-cultural environment of the region. They are a unique faction of Christians who are Hindus by culture, Christians by religion, and Judeo-Syro-Oriental in worship. They have sometimes, even in some official documents, been called Nasranis (followers of Jesus of Nazarene) or Saint Thomas Christians."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayali#Christians

[OzmO]

Have there been Christians that have converted to Hindus?

[Deicide]

Have there been Christians that have converted to Hindus?

Have their been Invisible Pink Unicornists that have converted to Pastafarianism?

[OzmO]

Have their been Invisible Pink Unicornists that have converted to Pastafarianism?

Did Jack and Jill have a sexual relationship?