Russia has penetrated Ukraine

[Gym Rat]

Ukraine loving libturdz (Nazi lovers) have TDS and PDS.
While supporting the most corrupt people in hsitory. (Shitter and Ghey Zelensky)...

Most here dont have any skin in the game, just like to Troll the mentally weak for melt downs..

[Teutonic Knight]

Ukraine loving libturdz (Nazi lovers) have TDS and PDS.
While supporting the most corrupt people in hsitory. (Shitter and Ghey Zelensky)...

Most here dont have any skin in the game, just like to Troll the mentally weak for melt downs..

Regarding Zelensky, City Of Sevastopol (Crimea) just tooked away his villa (valued $ 350K in 2013)

[illuminati]

Ukraine loving libturdz (Nazi lovers) have TDS and PDS.
While supporting the most corrupt people in hsitory. (Shitter and Ghey Zelensky)...

Most here dont have any skin in the game, just like to Troll the mentally weak for melt downs..

Odd how they support both of them. 

[Matt]

I think they have a subconscious pushback against what they see as someone "telling" them to support one side over another when we're on the other side of the globe and there are world conflicts in multiple continents. Why should we care so much about this particular one?

There might also be some idea that Biden had business dealings with Ukraine and supporting them is somehow supporting that side's corruption.

Personally, I don't care too much either way. I don't think Putin is a good guy, but I get why he wouldn't want NATO on his doorstep. Just like we didn't want Soviet missles in Cuba. I also think that Ukraine is an independent country and shouldn't be invaded and should defend itself. But if they need help Europe should help them. When we pick sides we screw things up. We've been meddling in the middle east and Afghanistan and I think those places are all worse off due to our interference.

Great post, GymnJuice - but why do you think Europe should help Ukraine? Shouldn't this just be a private territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia?

If it was that way, this conflict would have been over already, and we could set a red line for Putin as the point where a war with NATO would be guaranteed. Stalin was given precisely such a line.

Why must Europe [or NATO] be involved, risking nuclear war over something that would have been prevented if NATO had just stayed out of Ukraine?

Why is Ukraine that line for Europe [or anyone else] to get involved in a territorial dispute between countries, especially with nuclear conflict on the line?

[Matt]

When Putin was signing copies of his book at Barnes and Noble, he was asked about the Soviet Union and communism.  He affirmed that he both wants to get the old band back together and introduce and newer and improved socialist system.   

Was this at the Barnes & Nobel at Woodland Mall in Grand Rapids, MI? Did you attend this signing, AbrahamG?

PS - thank you for telling me you don't think I will be going to Hell. It meant a lot. I hope you are right!

[mops]

Most here dont have any skin in the game, just like to Troll the mentally weak for melt downs..

I normally avoid this dumb-ass thread but I'll make an exception.

Pro RF are projecting their anti-woke fantasies onto Vlad, the saviour. Make no mistake, he could let his entire country die off and wouldn't bat an eye. 20 years of this bullshit and still going strong.
"But, but he is going up against the Western-NATO cabal"......The motherfucking WEF and Russia are partners since 2007 ( via the St Petersburg International Economic Forum, which is basically the Russian DAVOS ) and share the same list of "ESG" goals for 2030. Do you want me to read them out loud for you ?
( Vlad and Klaus Schwab actually met in 2017 but who gives a shit about that, right ? )

Pro UA are the same Covid Cowards who now can freely project their hate on an entire country ( Russia ), but it's okay because it's white. They would never dare do the same with a muslim state ( especially in public ). The fact that their Western Governments are bending them over with higher prices on everything and logistical headaches doesn't seem to matter.

Most people dont understand that both UA and RF are complicit in this tragedy. Zelensky was groomed for 10 years for presidency. I personally used to enjoy his weekly comedy show. Believe it or not, it was VERY witty and well written. Almost GB comedy level. When he started acting like a top WWE babyface contender & speak in broken Ukrainian ( he doesnt fucking know the language, NONE of them did before the Crimean takoever ), it became clear that another bitch was about to replace Piotr Waltsman aka Poroshenko.
After Kuchma, after Yushchenko ( dont get me started on that whore Timoshenko ), after Yanukovich....They ALL ended up being HATED by the Ukrainians. How exactly do you think Zelensky is going to end ?
I'll let you in on a little secret : a good 50% of UA population are pro-russian and want this shitfest to end with negotiations. Im not even talking about the amount of UA who fled to Russia, not Europe.

This may surprise you but it's very likely that Merkel is a Russian intelligence asset. When East Germany was being torn apart, KGB and Stasi operatives collected a truckload of compromising documents before fucking off to Leningrad- St. Petersburg. A lot of the current German officials are dirty & held by the balls ( typical tactics ). Merkel was nicknamed "the little komsomol girl" in very special circles. I know someone who studied at the same Uni in Leipzig with her. He hated the shallow bitch.

Spare me the Minsk agreements bullshit. This war had been in developement for decades. It accelerared after Minsk II ( which was nothing more than a cheap Molotov-Ribbentrop pact rip-off ).
The fact that the military action was taken in accordance of Article 51 of the UN Charter "in the exercise of the right of self-defence" was a telegraphed punch.

About the US : the SAME frigging Biden-Nuland-Sullivan team is now at the center of U.S. policy on Ukraine as it was in 2013 ( Crimea, Yanukovich, remember ? )

There will be no loser in this conflict. Most parties will get what they want. Everyone else will eat shit and die.

Wake-up.

[Griffith]

Wagner chief says 20,000 of its troops killed in Bakhmut battle

Yevgeny Prigozhin repeats criticism of Russia’s top brass and warns high number of fatalities is a risk to the country.

Some 20,000 troops from Russia’s Wagner mercenary group were killed in the months-long battle for control of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, its founder has said.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said he had recruited about 50,000 prisoners to fight with Wagner in Russia’s war in Ukraine and that about 20 percent of them had been killed.

A similar number of his contract soldiers had also perished in the battle for the city, he told Russian political strategist Konstantin Dolgov in a video interview posted on his Telegram channel on Wednesday.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/25/wagner-chief-says-20000-of-its-troops-killed-in-bakhmut-battle

[OAK]

Wagner chief says 20,000 of its troops killed in Bakhmut battle

Yevgeny Prigozhin repeats criticism of Russia’s top brass and warns high number of fatalities is a risk to the country.

Some 20,000 troops from Russia’s Wagner mercenary group were killed in the months-long battle for control of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine, its founder has said.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said he had recruited about 50,000 prisoners to fight with Wagner in Russia’s war in Ukraine and that about 20 percent of them had been killed.

A similar number of his contract soldiers had also perished in the battle for the city, he told Russian political strategist Konstantin Dolgov in a video interview posted on his Telegram channel on Wednesday.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/25/wagner-chief-says-20000-of-its-troops-killed-in-bakhmut-battle

LOL

Putin HUMILLIATED!

 

"The leader of Russia's Wagner private mercenary group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, says Moscow's plan to "demilitarize" Ukraine with its full-scale invasion has failed, instead turning its neighbor's army into one of the "most powerful in the world" and setting Russia up for a possible uprising."

"Prigozhin, 61, didn't mince words in the interview, saying Russia's military leadership had "f**ked up" many times during the war, leading to failures."

"Prigozhin also criticized Shoigu and Russia's elite for allowing their children to evade mobilization and "enjoy life and have fun in Dubai and elsewhere," suggesting the war in Ukraine could lead to "what happened in 1917" in Russia, meaning a mass mutiny by soldiers and their refusal to take part in the World War I that led to the Russian Revolution."

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-wagner-prigozhin-failure/32425650.html

[GymnJuice]

Great post, GymnJuice - but why do you think Europe should help Ukraine? Shouldn't this just be a private territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia?

I should have phrased it "If anyone should help it should be European countries, rather than the US."

I do understand why those other eastern Europeans wouldn't want a resurgent Russia making war to reclaim territories. They didn't like being in the USSR and voted to leave it. A lot of them were around for that Iron Curtain era.

If it was that way, this conflict would have been over already, and we could set a red line for Putin as the point where a war with NATO would be guaranteed. Stalin was given precisely such a line.

Why must Europe [or NATO] be involved, risking nuclear war over something that would have been prevented if NATO had just stayed out of Ukraine?

Why is Ukraine that line for Europe [or anyone else] to get involved in a territorial dispute between countries, especially with nuclear conflict on the line?

I'm not sure why this part of Ukraine is a specific line. They didn't raise a total ruckus about having the Crimea taken from them a few years earlier. Maybe they figure enough is enough? Or maybe it is just that the different personalities and political landscape has changed this time around.

[Gym Rat]

Well, there's no better people to run a country, than a libturded team of comedy actors!! 

[Matt]

I normally avoid this dumb-ass thread but I'll make an exception.

Pro RF are projecting their anti-woke fantasies onto Vlad, the saviour. Make no mistake, he could let his entire country die off and wouldn't bat an eye. 20 years of this bullshit and still going strong.
"But, but he is going up against the Western-NATO cabal"......The motherfucking WEF and Russia are partners since 2007 ( via the St Petersburg International Economic Forum, which is basically the Russian DAVOS ) and share the same list of "ESG" goals for 2030. Do you want me to read them out loud for you ?
( Vlad and Klaus Schwab actually met in 2017 but who gives a shit about that, right ? )

Pro UA are the same Covid Cowards who now can freely project their hate on an entire country ( Russia ), but it's okay because it's white. They would never dare do the same with a muslim state ( especially in public ). The fact that their Western Governments are bending them over with higher prices on everything and logistical headaches doesn't seem to matter.

Most people dont understand that both UA and RF are complicit in this tragedy. Zelensky was groomed for 10 years for presidency. I personally used to enjoy his weekly comedy show. Believe it or not, it was VERY witty and well written. Almost GB comedy level. When he started acting like a top WWE babyface contender & speak in broken Ukrainian ( he doesnt fucking know the language, NONE of them did before the Crimean takoever ), it became clear that another bitch was about to replace Piotr Waltsman aka Poroshenko.
After Kuchma, after Yushchenko ( dont get me started on that whore Timoshenko ), after Yanukovich....They ALL ended up being HATED by the Ukrainians. How exactly do you think Zelensky is going to end ?
I'll let you in on a little secret : a good 50% of UA population are pro-russian and want this shitfest to end with negotiations. Im not even talking about the amount of UA who fled to Russia, not Europe.

This may surprise you but it's very likely that Merkel is a Russian intelligence asset. When East Germany was being torn apart, KGB and Stasi operatives collected a truckload of compromising documents before fucking off to Leningrad- St. Petersburg. A lot of the current German officials are dirty & held by the balls ( typical tactics ). Merkel was nicknamed "the little komsomol girl" in very special circles. I know someone who studied at the same Uni in Leipzig with her. He hated the shallow bitch.

Spare me the Minsk agreements bullshit. This war had been in developement for decades. It accelerared after Minsk II ( which was nothing more than a cheap Molotov-Ribbentrop pact rip-off ).
The fact that the military action was taken in accordance of Article 51 of the UN Charter "in the exercise of the right of self-defence" was a telegraphed punch.

About the US : the SAME frigging Biden-Nuland-Sullivan team is now at the center of U.S. policy on Ukraine as it was in 2013 ( Crimea, Yanukovich, remember ? )

There will be no loser in this conflict. Most parties will get what they want. Everyone else will eat shit and die.

Wake-up.

Great post, mops.

Just one thing though:

Even if Putin is controlled opposition because all leaders are selected and not elected, isn't it possible for controlled opposition to get out of hand?

And when that rogue leader has 10,000 nuclear war-heads, isn't it still possible for him to make decisions which could change the course of world events?

We spend too much time talking about "they" are untouchable. If Hitler removed them from all positions of political power in Germany, it's not *impossible* that they lose all their power globally.

What I'm saying is: "they" [including the non-Jewish elite] are not untouchable. I feel that they won WWII by the skin of their teeth.

Arguably, if not for a few specific wartime mistakes made by Hitler, Germany and the Axis Powers would have won WWII.

Also - Hitler held territorial control over 4 out of the 5 Rothchild banking houses, and several of the Rothschilds fled Europe as refugees after Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild was arrested in 1938 in Austria. One Rothschild even committed suicide during the war.

Also, the plans of the elites do depend on the compliance of the people. On some level they know if they push it too far too fast, they will lose positive control of their politician puppets.

[Irongrip400]

I should have phrased it "If anyone should help it should be European countries, rather than the US."

I do understand why those other eastern Europeans wouldn't want a resurgent Russia making war to reclaim territories. They didn't like being in the USSR and voted to leave it. A lot of them were around for that Iron Curtain era.


I'm not sure why this part of Ukraine is a specific line. They didn't raise a total ruckus about having the Crimea taken from them a few years earlier. Maybe they figure enough is enough? Or maybe it is just that the different personalities and political landscape has changed this time around.

Crimea was given to Ukraine in the 1950’s right? It was more Russian population wise too right? I’m assuming that’s why it wasn’t as much of a fuss in 2014. Either way, I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.

[mops]

Great post, mops.

Just one thing though:

Even if Putin is controlled opposition because all leaders are selected and not elected, isn't it possible for controlled opposition to get out of hand?

And when that rogue leader has 10,000 nuclear war-heads, isn't it still possible for him to make decisions which could change the course of world events?

Matt, from a financial point of view, this war is really nothing more than the continuation of what debuted in March 2020 : a coverup for gobal hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states in order to hand over public assets to private investors ( Ukraine is the next asset )

What we see now is the infamous military-industrial complex claiming it's piece of the big pie.

If Hitler removed them from all positions of political power in Germany, it's not *impossible* that they lose all their power globally.

What I'm saying is: "they" [including the non-Jewish elite] are not untouchable. I feel that they won WWII by the skin of their teeth.

Arguably, if not for a few specific wartime mistakes made by Hitler, Germany and the Axis Powers would have won WWII.

Also - Hitler held territorial control over 4 out of the 5 Rothchild banking houses, and several of the Rothschilds fled Europe as refugees after Louis Nathaniel de Rothschild was arrested in 1938 in Austria. One Rothschild even committed suicide during the war.

Also, the plans of the elites do depend on the compliance of the people. On some level they know if they push it too far too fast, they will lose positive control of their politician puppets.

Ironically, the man responsible for his accession to power was, in fact, Joseph Stalin.

When the NSDAP was nothing but a piss stain in the German political landscape ( and Hitler himself was FAR from being the favorite candidate to lead his party - Ernst Röhm was heavier, for example ) Stalin cunned his way via the Comintern ( Communist International ) to give the man a push.

During the federal elections of July 1932, German communist voters were basically instructed not to side with the Social Democrats & rather form an electoral alliance with the NSDAP.
As a result, the nazis gained the majority in the Reichstag and a new chancelor was to be appointed....

When he was deemed a nuisance and a liability ( in terms of raw power, not ideology...no one gives a fuck about that ) he was removed by sheer force ( war )

WWII is another story, but I digress......


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This reminds me of a video I watched on German media recently.

This cute 25 y.o. medical student plans to work in a departement of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry after her graduation.

There is one problem though : She has Tourette Syndrom and keeps repeating "HEIL HITLER !" since her 21st bday

Seriously, her composed and technical way of speaking interrupted by "HEIL HITLER !" and "ICH HAB KORONA !" is absolutely hilarious if you understand German.

I feel really bad for her though

[OAK]

Matt, from a financial point of view, this war is really nothing more than the continuation of what debuted in March 2020 : a coverup for gobal hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states in order to hand over public assets to private investors ( Ukraine is the next asset )

What we see now is the infamous militaro-industrial complex claiming it's piece of the big cake.


Ironically, the man responsible for his accession to power was, in fact, Joseph Stalin.

When the NSDAP was nothing but a piss stain in the German political landscape ( and Hitler himself was FAR from being the favorite candidate to lead his party - Ernst Röhm was heavier, for example ) Stalin cunned his way via the Comintern ( Communist International ) to give the man a push.

During the federal elections of July 1932, German communist voters were basically instructed not to side with the Social Democrats & rather form an electoral alliance with the NSDAP.
As a result, the nazis gained the majority in the Reichstag and a new chancelor was to be appointed....

When he was deemed a nuisance and a liability ( in terms of raw power, not ideology...no one gives a fuck about that ) he was removed by sheer force ( war )

WWII is another story, but I digress......


--------


This reminds me of a video I watched on German media recently.

This cute 25 y.o. medical student who plans to work in a departement of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry after her graduation.

There is one problem though : She has Tourette Syndrom and keeps repeating "HEIL HITLER !" since her 21st bday

Seriously, her composed and technical way of speaking interupted by "HEIL HITLER !" and "ICH HAB KORONA !" is absolutely hilarious if you understand German.

I feel really bad for her though

Great post Mops.

I can’t wait to read Matt’s response.

🙄🙄

[Matt]

I should have phrased it "If anyone should help it should be European countries, rather than the US."

I do understand why those other eastern Europeans wouldn't want a resurgent Russia making war to reclaim territories. They didn't like being in the USSR and voted to leave it. A lot of them were around for that Iron Curtain era.

Thanks GymnJuice. That makes sense. Literally every single Polish Canadian I have spoken to who lived under communism absolutely despised it. I don't know if Putin has any specific moral justification in claiming Ukraine. I DO believe that Putin is perfectly justified in not wanting NATO in Ukraine...on THAT basis, I support him [not for him being "anti-woke"...but for him being reasonable in wishing NATO to stay out of Ukraine...and IMO, NATO should have fucking known better...with it being analogous to the Cuban Missile Crisis of the 1960's].

I'm not sure why this part of Ukraine is a specific line. They didn't raise a total ruckus about having the Crimea taken from them a few years earlier. Maybe they figure enough is enough? Or maybe it is just that the different personalities and political landscape has changed this time around.

I do think there must be some point where enough is enough.

But I tend to fall back to:

This war wouldn't be happening if NATO hadn't entered Ukraine. I feel.

From what I know - Putin hasn't even started a full scale invasion yet. He has hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers that he can yet release.

As someone said here much earlier: Russia can fight a war of attrition. Ukraine can't.

[Matt]

Matt, from a financial point of view, this war is really nothing more than the continuation of what debuted in March 2020 : a coverup for gobal hyperinflation to vaporize the assets of the masses and the states in order to hand over public assets to private investors ( Ukraine is the next asset )

What we see now is the infamous military-industrial complex claiming it's piece of the big pie.

Great post, mops.

So this is ultimately more Iraq/Afghanistan bullshit, with the only goal not being for this war to be won...but merely sustained?

When you said "the states", did you mean the USA [as opposed to the Eastern block states]?

Or did you mean: your view that one of the goals is to bankrupt the "the states" [the USA]?

Ironically, the man responsible for his accession to power was, in fact, Joseph Stalin.

When the NSDAP was nothing but a piss stain in the German political landscape ( and Hitler himself was FAR from being the favorite candidate to lead his party - Ernst Röhm was heavier, for example ) Stalin cunned his way via the Comintern ( Communist International ) to give the man a push.

During the federal elections of July 1932, German communist voters were basically instructed not to side with the Social Democrats & rather form an electoral alliance with the NSDAP.
As a result, the nazis gained the majority in the Reichstag and a new chancelor was to be appointed....

When he was deemed a nuisance and a liability ( in terms of raw power, not ideology...no one gives a fuck about that ) he was removed by sheer force ( war )

WWII is another story, but I digress......

Did you mean here that Hitler was removed by sheer force [war - WWII, I assume you meant?], but that "WWII is another story"?

Weren't you talking about WWII in the paragraph immediately above that?

What did you mean when you said WWII was another story?

PS - too bad about that German girl with Tourette syndrome, lol.

[mops]

Great post, mops.

So this is ultimately more Iraq/Afghanistan bullshit, with the only goal not being for this war to be won...but merely sustained?

Bingo.

The US and Russia will then salvage what Ukraine has to offer at a lower cost.
Private firms from both sides will also get the contracts to rebuild the country.

When you said "the states", did you mean the USA [as opposed to the Eastern block states]?

Or did you mean: your view that one of the goals is to bankrupt the "the states" [the USA]?

When America sneezes, the world catches a cold

But I meant "states" as in countries.

World markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis in Fall of 2019. Then we conveniently had a pandemic followed by a war.

Did you mean here that Hitler was removed by sheer force [war - WWII, I assume you meant?], but that "WWII is another story"?

Weren't you talking about WWII in the paragraph immediately above that?

What did you mean when you said WWII was another story?

PS - too bad about that German girl with Tourette syndrome, lol.

I might have phrased it poorly, sorry.

What I meant by "force" was indeed WWII. The war itself is a another/separate story. It's obviously a very complex and misinterpreted topic. Many things they teach in history lessons are pure bs.

[Matt]

Bingo.

The US and Russia will then salvage what Ukraine has to offer at a lower cost.
Private firms from both sides will also get the contracts to rebuild the country.


When America sneezes, the world catches a cold

But I meant "states" as in countries.

World markets were faced with an emergency debt crisis in Fall of 2019. Then we conveniently had a pandemic followed by a war.

I might have phrased it poorly, sorry.

What I meant by "force" was indeed WWII. The war itself is a another/separate story. It's obviously a very complex and misinterpreted topic. Many things they teach in history lessons are pure bs.

Ah! Got it.

Thanks for the clarification, mops.

It's a bleak outlook...but I can't say anything to meaningfully dispute or disprove you.

So was the issue with Hitler that he got too big for boots, so to speak, for the international community?

[Flexacon]

Ah! Got it.

Thanks for the clarification, mops.

It's a bleak outlook...but I can't say anything to meaningfully dispute or disprove you.

If you like capitalism and you should if you want to maintain your quality of life then no this isn't bleak.

It's short term pain for long term gain for you on the backs of others death and suffering..

[Matt]

If you like capitalism and you should if you want to maintain your quality of life then no this isn't bleak.

It's short term pain for long term gain for you on the backs of others death and suffering..

I think capitalism [free markets] can exist without Jewish/Rothschild central banks leveraging everything to the hilt and requiring war to sustain itself.

Do away with privately owned central banks, and I'm not convinced this would happen.

And capitalism, for all its faults, is better than centrally planned command economies [Marxism/communism], which features all of these atrocities with none of the benefits.

Lastly - I don't think we can call government tinkering "capitalism". Government overreach is the major issue here. Leftists [not you] always call that "capitalism", while demanding more and more big government interventions that they bitch about.

Most of this stuff couldn't exist if we didn't give the government so much power.

[Flexacon]

I think capitalism [free markets] can exist without Jewish/Rothschild central banks leveraging everything to the hilt and requiring war to sustain itself.

Do away with privately owned central banks, and I'm not convinced this would happen.

And capitalism, for all its faults, is better than centrally planned command economies [Marxism/communism], which features all of these atrocities with none of the benefits.

Lastly - I don't think we can call government tinkering "capitalism". Government overreach is the major issue here. Leftists [not you] always call that "capitalism", while demanding more and more big government interventions that they bitch about.

Most of this stuff couldn't exist if we didn't give the government so much power.

Leveraging works. Boom and bust works. Take advantage of it.

[Humble Narcissist]

If you like capitalism and you should if you want to maintain your quality of life then no this isn't bleak.

It's short term pain for long term gain for you on the backs of others death and suffering..

Which Getbigger is that?

[honest]

Traditional Capitalism has transitioned into a Big government big corporate type of socialism it no longer delivers opportunity out of poverty for all, globalisation killed traditional capitalism.

[GymnJuice]

Crimea was given to Ukraine in the 1950’s right? It was more Russian population wise too right? I’m assuming that’s why it wasn’t as much of a fuss in 2014. Either way, I feel bad for the Ukrainian people.

I think so. I am not sure why they gave it to Ukraine in the 50s to begin with. It has an interesting history if you read about it. Was Greek, then Turks had it, then Tartars, then Russia took it. I think it was mostly Tartar until the Russians did all that forced population relocation. Maybe when they gave it to Ukraine it wasn't mostly Russian?

[ROBOAK]

I think so. I am not sure why they gave it to Ukraine in the 50s to begin with. It has an interesting history if you read about it. Was Greek, then Turks had it, then Tartars, then Russia took it. I think it was mostly Tartar until the Russians did all that forced population relocation. Maybe when they gave it to Ukraine it wasn't mostly Russian?

Ukraine was given crimea for the same reason krushchev was oppointed premier ( krushchev is %100 Ukrainian)

To appease the Ukrainian population and prevent them from rebelling