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In my opinion your getting lost in the proverbial weeds here and missing the main issue.
Yes, it's true ,  special situations require a "fast track" to treat some patients .

( Again) The licensed docs and hospitals are responsible for any problems that may occur from treatments & procedures.
On line medical advice via web sites and social media with some miracle potion sales doesn't adhere to the same regulations.
They simply say ; " It's YOUR choice" which means if things go bad, you're on your own.

...so you may need to go to the hospital ER  ;)

I never miss the main point, and I also always respond.

You have stated multiple times that Ivermectin doesn't have anti-viral capabilities, which is completely wrong.  Evidence has been posted which you ignore.

Then you said doctors have to prescribe approved meds only, which is wrong as well.

But yes, there is liability to consider.  So doctors will play the percentages, and the %s say Ivermectin is risk free.  If you do your research, you'd see that the number of adverse effects from ivermectin is almost zero compared to over a billion prescriptions.

And to reiterate, it may or may not have any effect. Reluctance to try it is more likely due to it being politicized rather than math, but that's not the point of the discussion.
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The 1st 2 covid vaccines were rigorously derived via messenger RNA .
The "spike" on the covid 19 molecule , is protein based with an amino acid sequence.

The rapid release of the covid 19 DNA sequence allowed scientists to develop
the mRNA sequence that could attack the protein spike and render it harmless.

Trials for these mRNA vaccines were done with thousands of test volunteers in a
double blind study . The results were reviewed several times via medical experts and
medical boards.

The safety and efficacy of these initial covid vaccines have been proven safe and effective.
They have already been in bodies of several million people worldwide.

Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral and has no direct impact on the covid-19 virus.
It's use in humans is strictly for pest infestation.

You realize next to Shizzo - you are despised here on this site? 

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You realize next to Shizzo - you are despised here on this site?
Don’t have to think too hard as to why Howard’s father committed suicide.
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I never miss the main point, and I also always respond.

You have stated multiple times that Ivermectin doesn't have anti-viral capabilities, which is completely wrong.  Evidence has been posted which you ignore.

Then you said doctors have to prescribe approved meds only, which is wrong as well.

But yes, there is liability to consider.  So doctors will play the percentages, and the %s say Ivermectin is risk free.  If you do your research, you'd see that the number of adverse effects from ivermectin is almost zero compared to over a billion prescriptions.

And to reiterate, it may or may not have any effect. Reluctance to try it is more likely due to it being politicized rather than math, but that's not the point of the discussion.

Even if it isn’t risk-free… look, this is how fucked upidly wrong modern medicine: you can have medicaments out there that are perfectly suitable for your biometric markers that YOU will never see because some dumb ass socially awkward bastard made the decision to include you (who has positive receptivity) with a population of people who will not benefit from the medication.

Medicine is about customization. On many things, what works for me, will not work for many. Acupuncture specialists know this full well, and yet, they get criticized by general medicine doctors.     

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First line:

What's that old expression? You can lead a man to horse dewormer but you can't make him... Wait that ain't it.

The lead horse is early so he gets the worm. That was it.


Know what? I'm changing my approach. Please enjoy this snippet from Ivermectin And White Fragility:
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The psychology of the Antimector is a peculiar and disturbing instantiation of white fragility in a medical context. The irrational resistance to treatments used in equatorial regions is seated in colorphobism. Unconscious bias and psychofascist dictates of a whitehesive psychodynamic requires a catagorical decoupling of Black Medicine from the white purity of their eurobleached white sheet/white pillow conceptualization of health care scrubbed of ethnic impurities. Anything which saves lives on The Mother Continent must be disavowed. Anything touched by Black Hands is declared unclean and may not pollute white treatment protocols, while pharmaceuticals of white origin and used in white countries meet the white purity test. This is why Paxlovid is permitted while Therapies of Color may not be included. The process of white purity testing and incorporation into whitepartite medical protocols, with each element  bolstering the credibility of its fellow white pharmaceutical travelers, is a phenomenon known as Hydroxiding. Countless examples exist outside the medical field as well, colloquially referred to as White Stacking or Mayonnaising.


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It's NOT used for covid treatment in any hospital or certified medical clinic .

The new Pfizer covid pill is an anti-viral and invermectin is used in humans for parasites. BIG difference.

What you're peddling is like saying , do curls to stimulate leg growth.

Show us the long term side effects of this pill

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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.

Posting with you guys is the conversational equivalent of me leaning over the table and cutting up your steak into little bite sized bits for you. Good christ. Make an effort, will ya?

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Don’t have to think too hard as to why Howard’s father committed suicide.

For those that don't know, my dad took his life over 30 years ago.
In my judgment, he was a good man and wonderful father.

He served in the US navy , during WWII
He was a gunners mate on a carrier in the South Pacific  during the summer of 1945.
He stayed on active duty for 8 more years and was in the Korean war in similar capacity.

After active duty, he worked a welder on the hulls of nuclear subs at a large sub fabrication base.
He was sent back to school and eventually became a structural engineer working on sub hull stability .

As a boy growing up, about once each year , we'd hear him in our parents bedroom.
He'd be yelling;"... incoming, incoming , take cover" and would pull my mom off the bed to the floor.
When my sis and I rushed into the room, he'd be covering mom's body with his own , still yelling.
After he passed ,my mom said, he suffered more nightly  incidents, I never knew off.

Looking back, it's obvious now, he had untreated PTSD from his combat experiences.

My dad never complained or wanted treatment . He would try to play it off as a "bad dream or nightmare".

I'm sorry you feel the need to make a joke of my dad's suicide.
I don't know you, but you'd need to be one hell of a man to equal my dad.

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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.

Posters are still basking in the glow that you're alive, so please forgive them for missing this connection.
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I shall grant them my clemency.

Howard

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Show us the long term side effects of this pill

If you really want to know about the newly formulated pfizer anti viral pill , just google it.
That way you can read all the tedious details on its development and clinical trials.

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To sum up all these posts, ask your doctor.


Excellent summation  ;)


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There isn’t such a thing as “modern medicine.” What you have is general medicine, which is utter shit and “specialist medicine,” which is the real deal. Even the medications have eerily similar ingredients. It’s an extortion racket.

Where the difference lies is in that general medicine practitioners hide behind the science AS IF that gives their profession more credibility. They even have the audacity to criticize PROVEN methods like acupuncture or alternative therapies.

It’s madness.

NOBODY makes you go to the doctor or hospital.

If you really don't want to adhere to the views of medical professionals, that's fine.
Just stay home and self treat with whatever compounds, drugs or herbs you desire.
If that's your attitude, I support it and our debate ends .

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So what was your take on the study hosted on the NIH that I linked to, Howard?

Howard

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So what was your take on the study hosted on the NIH that I linked to, Howard?

I'd tell you, but then I'd have to fart on you.
By passing out from the stench, my secret would stay safe. ;D

I suspect you're being serious about a real issue.
I think you deserve a thoughtful reply, but I'm getting ready to watch a hockey game now.

Maybe later, but don't hold your breath.
You'll turn blue and it won't be from the cool winter breeze.  ;D

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Fair enough bro.

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If you really want to know about the newly formulated pfizer anti viral pill , just google it.
That way you can read all the tedious details on its development and clinical trials.

It won’t show long term because there is none. The world is their experiment. Why do we have to wait 55 years for this? Everyone on this board will be dead by then as well as lot of our kids

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Howard

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It won’t show long term because there is none. The world is their experiment. Why do we have to wait 55 years for this? Everyone on this board will be dead by then as well as lot of our kids

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/

Coach, nobody is going make you take this or any other medication .

I know you're not a bible thumping zealot, but Jehovah Witness refuse to get blood transfusions .
They have legally binding damages waiver, so a hospital won't get sued for malpractice if they die.

You have the legal right to refuse any medication, procedure or treatment from a medical provider.
However, if you die or get worse, they aren't liable.

You aren't allowed to make a hospital or doc to give you a treatment that's not approved .

If you're advocating treating yourself at home with treatments of your choosing, that's fine.
Out debate on this ends and I support your choice.

If people with covid or other illness want to stay home and self medicate, fine with me ;)


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I'm sorry you feel the need to make a joke of my dad's suicide.

I doubt he was joking, as u r a complete waste that endorses the poisoning of children:

children get lower doses and those under 12 will get even smaller doses when that gets the ok.

it is highly probable that any piece of shit capable of spawning an entity like u would rightly contemplate ending its miserable existence.

no wonder u were so quick to jump on these covid shots... suicidal tendencies tend to b genetic, after all.

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I can't believe no one has pointed out that I'm obviously going to be in favor of an antiparasitic drug. Like, of course.

Posting with you guys is the conversational equivalent of me leaning over the table and cutting up your steak into little bite sized bits for you. Good christ. Make an effort, will ya?

Tape are you living in a horse?

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Tape are you living in a horse?

Not yet. I'm allowed to earn income until the 31st of December under Western Australian law. I'm thinking of downsizing to a mule or a donkey in the new year tho. Eat some roadkill. Cultivate isolation and embrace ostracism. Yep, it's the simple life for me.

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Not yet. I'm allowed to earn income until the 31st of December under Western Australian law. I'm thinking of downsizing to a mule or a donkey in the new year tho. Eat some roadkill. Cultivate isolation and embrace ostracism. Yep, it's the simple life for me.

LOL!

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NOBODY makes you go to the doctor or hospital.

If you really don't want to adhere to the views of medical professionals, that's fine.
Just stay home and self treat with whatever compounds, drugs or herbs you desire.
If that's your attitude, I support it and our debate ends .

Dude, I’m not saying I don’t want to go to the doctor. What I am saying is that there’s two medical fields: 1) general medicine, which is shit and DOES NOT have “science” on their side and 2) specialist medicine, which IS cutting edge and HAS science backing their work.

It’s obvious that a planned-demic like COVID’s, the front end of it, the laboratory work, is a specialist-grade driven field BUT the response (CDC + hospitals) is shit grade. I remember the first time they started using ventilators in NYC… people were dropping dead left and right. Was there ever a phone call, an exchange of information between the medical authorities in NYC and, for example, the medical authorities in Northern Italy (where they had just gone precisely through the same circumstances NYC was about to go into)? Nope. Nope. No one called. And thousands died needlessly because of it.

The entire assembly line from the CDC to the medical offices is an utter disgrace.

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I doubt he was joking, as u r a complete waste that endorses the poisoning of children:

it is highly probable that any piece of shit capable of spawning an entity like u would rightly contemplate ending its miserable existence.

no wonder u were so quick to jump on these covid shots... suicidal tendencies tend to b genetic, after all.

This reply says more about your character then any reply I could muster.

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Dude, I’m not saying I don’t want to go to the doctor. What I am saying is that there’s two medical fields: 1) general medicine, which is shit and DOES NOT have “science” on their side and 2) specialist medicine, which IS cutting edge and HAS science backing their work.

It’s obvious that a planned-demic like COVID’s, the front end of it, the laboratory work, is a specialist-grade driven field BUT the response (CDC + hospitals) is shit grade. I remember the first time they started using ventilators in NYC… people were dropping dead left and right. Was there ever a phone call, an exchange of information between the medical authorities in NYC and, for example, the medical authorities in Northern Italy (where they had just gone precisely through the same circumstances NYC was about to go into)? Nope. Nope. No one called. And thousands died needlessly because of it.

The entire assembly line from the CDC to the medical offices is an utter disgrace.

The only evil "planned-demic" is the dopey conspiracy you've been duped with.

You have a right to access health care YOU agree with.
if you want to use some miracle pill or renegade doc's clinic, that's your choice.

However,  at a hospital, you can't demand they treat you with unapproved meds.