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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: M1 on January 17, 2006, 04:43:45 AM
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Gustavo isn't big for a pro bodybuilder. check out these back double bicep shots and side shots from the O
Ronnie and Jay both 22 inch arm
Gustavo has small arms in comparison to those guys in the pics, especially the side poses, Jay's arm is way bigger than Gustavo's, the pics prove it
we're talking at least 3 inches smaller
Gustavo is like 5 ft 7 tops, we all know Jay is 5ft 9, and Jay is at least 2 inches taller in these pics
He says he's 240-250 lbs at competition, I don't believe it, we all know Jay and Ronnie are both about 270 lbs onstage, and they make Gustavo look real small in comparison, especially back shots, wheels and calves shot, they loo like they outweigh by at least 40-50 lbs, not 20 lbs as he claims, I don't think he can be more than 220-225 lbs ripped
I'd only trust the weigh ins if they were done in underwear and nothing else, anyone can fill their pockets with stuff and be 20 lbs heavier than what they really are
Yeah thats big at 5ft7, but I don't think he's as big as he makes out
Check out the 2005 Ironman pic. Gustavo claims to be 250 lbs, but we all know Lee is 200 lbs contest shape, and there is no way Gustavo is 40-50 lbs heavier than Lee in that pic, Lee is looks almost the same as him, Lee's arms are actually bigger, Gustavo could only 20 lbs heavier tops
Gustavo is bound to say he's 5ft 9, 250lbs with 22 inch arms, before we know he'll be claiming he's 300 lbs off season, loads of pros exaggerate their measurements
He's a great bodybuilder, yeah he has an awesome bod and he's big, but not big for a pro. Jay and Ronnie make him look small :o
If we saw him in person, we wouldn't be that impressed, he's the smallest guy in the top 5 O line-up by far
He's probably 220-230lbs competition, 5ft6-5ft7 with 18-19 inch arms
do you guys agree with me?
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and still 10 inches bigger than your arms
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I'm not bashing Gustavo, I think he's a good bodybuilder, but I think he exaggerates his measurements and these pics prove it
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he's a midget who gets milage from internet board hype
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he's got a cocky attitude thats for sure, if he wasn't cocky, if he a humble champion he would be twice as popular, but cockiness and unreal measurements won't make a guy liked :-\
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he's got a cocky attitude thats for sure, if he wasn't cocky, if he a humble champion he would be twice as popular, but cockiness and bullshit measurements won't make a guy liked :-\
dude, what sort of notoriety would he receive if he said nothing and just stood there like a midget ricky ricardo? he flames in a positive way. a self-promoting public relations act. it appears to be successful.
it's his schtick.
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yeah but if he's not careful he'll end up like King Kamali, people will be hating on him forever if his attitude doesn't change
the moment he loses or places bad, people will rip on him forever...King Kamali is exactly the same :-\
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The bodyweight is probably accurate as several shows still do weigh-ins ... at the 2004 Arnold Classic Badell was 235. He has improved a lot since then so him being 240-245lbs on-stage is not unrealistic. As for height, we really cannot estimate heights from a series of pics. It depends on the exact camera angle as well as body posturing. In the pics you provided he looks shorter than Jay in the standing relaxed pose and the same height in the rear double biceps pose. From seing him at the Olympia expo I'd say that he's 5'8" as he was at least the same height as me.
Obviously if you look at certain body parts it's easy to say that he's not as heavy as he's saying. You compare him to Jay and Ronnie and in the pic provided his back looks smaller. But that's doesn't mean he is carrying less muscle. For example Jay is known for his super wide clavicles which naturally enhance back width by distancing the attachment of the lats. However that doesn't mean that the muscle mass on Badell isn't as heavy. Granted his back doesn't look as impressive though.
Also consider that Badell has some of the best hamstrings and a great chest. So it's quite possible for him to weight more than he looks (although in my mind he does look 240lbs on stage). You weight what your whole body weight.... not what your arms weight!
As for arm size. Understand that triceps mass is 2/3 of the size of the arm, so even though Badell's arm might not look as peaked as the others, it doesn't mean that they are necessarily a lot smaller. The triceps attracts less attention in a biceps pose, but its bulk is still there. Badell indeed have great triceps. I'm somewhat like him in that my biceps are not that peaked nor impressive but my triceps are very big. My training partner is the exact opposite, baseball bicep and flat triceps. His arm look bigger when doing a biceps pose, and we are the exact same body weight, but my arms are actually 1" bigger than his.
As you know, bodybuilding is all about illusion. So if you had said that Gustavo's arms don't "look" as big as Jay's I would have agreed with you. But when you say that his arms are small, then I don't agree. They might look smaller then they are beause of mass repartition and belly shape, but no doubt they are at least 21".
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yeah but if he's not careful he'll end up like King Kamali, people will be hating on him forever if his attitude doesn't change
the moment he loses or places bad, people will rip on him forever...King Kamali is exactly the same :-\
didnt know kamali came in 3rd olympia and won big shows
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I mean in the sense of being arrogant and cocky, and then falling flat on his face and regretting being cocky in the first place....trust me it'll to him
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The bodyweight is probably accurate as several shows still do weigh-ins ... at the 2004 Arnold Classic Badell was 235. He has improved a lot since then so him being 240-245lbs on-stage is not unrealistic. As for height, we really cannot estimate heights from a series of pics. It depends on the exact camera angle as well as body posturing. In the pics you provided he looks shorter than Jay in the standing relaxed pose and the same height in the rear double biceps pose. From seing him at the Olympia expo I'd say that he's 5'8" as he was at least the same height as me.
Obviously if you look at certain body parts it's easy to say that he's not as heavy as he's saying. You compare him to Jay and Ronnie and in the pic provided his back looks smaller. But that's doesn't mean he is carrying less muscle. For example Jay is known for his super wide clavicles which naturally enhance back width by distancing the attachment of the lats. However that doesn't mean that the muscle mass on Badell isn't as heavy. Granted his back doesn't look as impressive though.
Also consider that Badell has some of the best hamstrings and a great chest. So it's quite possible for him to weight more than he looks (although in my mind he does look 240lbs on stage). You weight what your whole body weight.... not what your arms weight!
As for arm size. Understand that triceps mass is 2/3 of the size of the arm, so even though Badell's arm might not look as peaked as the others, it doesn't mean that they are necessarily a lot smaller. The triceps attracts less attention in a biceps pose, but its bulk is still there. Badell indeed have great triceps. I'm somewhat like him in that my biceps are not that peaked nor impressive but my triceps are very big. My training partner is the exact opposite, baseball bicep and flat triceps. His arm look bigger when doing a biceps pose, and we are the exact same body weight, but my arms are actually 1" bigger than his.
As you know, bodybuilding is all about illusion. So if you had said that Gustavo's arms don't "look" as big as Jay's I would have agreed with you. But when you say that his arms are small, then I don't agree. They might look smaller then they are beause of mass repartition and belly shape, but no doubt they are at least 21".
yeah ok, but if Badell has such great triceps then why does do his arms look so small in the side pose??? Cos he hasn't got 21 inch arms, it's bullshit bro there no way in hell does he have 21 inch arms, they have to as big as his head, and no way are that 21. They might possibly be 20 if he's real heavy like 280lbs in the off season, but ripped man sorry 18-19 tops
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get real...I am not on Badell's bandwagon....and he kinda irked me challenging coleman at the O, but the guy does have size......
give him his dues...
get the fuck out of here with that shit.....
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get real...I am not on Badell's bandwagon....and he kinda irked me challenging coleman at the O, but the guy does have size......
give him his dues...
get the f**k out of here with that shit.....
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I'm not saying he doesn't have size, I'm just saying he's not the big mofo he makes himself out to be, yes he has awesome bod, but he's not an amazing size. He has decent size, but he's not BIG. 19 inch are big, but he'd anything special size wise.
Yes he had fantastic conditioning, proportion, muscularity but SIZE is his weakness compared to the other top pros :-\
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I'm not saying he doesn't have size, I'm just saying he's not the big mofo he makes himself out to be, yes he has awesome bod, but he's not an amazing size. He has decent size, but he's not BIG. 19 inch are big, but he'd anything special size wise.
Yes he had fantastic conditioning, proportion, muscularity but SIZE is his weakness compared to the other top pros :-\
m1, at 5'5" 19 arms are huge
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yeah bro I know, I'm not disputing that he has good size for his height, all I'm saying is that he's nothing special size-wise compared to other pros, and I really think he's needs serious size to be Mr O. He actually needs to be 260 lbs, rather than saying he is
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yeah bro I know, I'm not disputing that he has good size for his height, all I'm saying is that he's nothing special size-wise compared to other pros, and I really think he's needs serious size to be Mr O. He actually needs to be 260 lbs, rather than saying he is
260 at 5'5" doesnt sound healthy
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Troy Alves arms are bigger than I thought
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yeah ok, but if Badell has such great triceps then why does do his arms look so small in the side pose???
Yeah ... ok ::)
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a fucking photoshopped cover doesn't prove anything bro. Most fucking magazine covers are photoshopped and airbrushed to hell, to make the guys in it perfect, huge, ripped without any blemishes, and thats photoshopped as well. They've added about 3 inches to Gustavo's arms and his delts are never that big, check the real pics and see. Do you really think Gustavo could lift a dumbell that big??? It's almost as big as his fucking body and it's fucking fake plates as well ::)
Tons of professional photoshoots use fake plates and then they photoshop the pics to make them look massive. It's a well known fake bro
It justs proves my point :-\
If you don't believe me, here is a similar pose which ISN'T photoshopped, and his arms and delts are nowhere near as big as his head, but in the magazine cover, his arm is way bigger than his head and he's not even flexing, that mag cover is the most obvious photoshop I have ever seen
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First, I'd appreciate you not calling me an idiot. Not to brag, but I'm heavily involved in the bodybuilding scene as a coach, writer and I'm on the board of director of one of Canadian IFBB federations. I've been live to more shows than you have read about in magazines. I never attacked you personally nor have I insulted you. So I'd appreciate it if you could do the same.
If you knew anything about bodybuilding, you'd realize how much even a slight difference in diet, crbing up and water balance can make. That's why Jay Cutler (for example) came in flat and looked small - for him - at the 2004 Arnold and big and full only a few months later at the olympia. So it's reasonable to think that pics taken at different moments can prove or discredit any point of view.
Furthermore, if you knew how much difference in "appearance of size" even slight difference in posing can make, you'd realize that it's impossible to judge a guy using only one photo.
Here are some pics.
Cutler and Gustavo, both at the Olympia, similar pose.
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Triceps, Jay is from the Olympia and Gustavo at the Arnold... note that he was better at the O than at the Arnold, but I couldn't find any pics from the side triceps at the olympia.
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Side chest from the O
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Side triceps vs. Dexter at the Arnold.
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For comparison, Lee (my favorite BBer by the way) at the Arnold, same triceps pose. Lee is known for having the best arms in the world (or close to it), yet Badell isn't far off.
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From the Arnold
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Cornier from the Arnorld too... same triceps pose.
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Darrem Charles, also known for his arms... for comparison purposes.
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BTW, Gustavo basically "sucked" (as a competitive pro of course) before his breakout 2004 season. So it's very easy to find picks of him prior to 2004 and use them to show how "small" he is.
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ok bro, sorry for calling you out like that, no hard feelings
I don't know, MAYBE card loading could do it, but I dunno, it looks weird to me
his delts and traps appear way bigger in the mag cover and his arm abit bigger still, I dunno if card loading and shit would really make THAT sort of difference :o
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ok bro, sorry for calling you out like that, no hard feelings
but hell I reckon it's be changed abit
here's your comparison then....Gustavo's arms and delts and traps are clearly bigger in the mag cover...you can :o
and don't give me that card loading shit, yeah I know it's makes a difference, but you can see the difference
It's true that sometimes mags will airbrush covers, but they don't make huge modifications, if any. Understand that studio lighting and stage lighting make a huge difference. As far as carb loading and water balance, yes it makes a HUGE difference. An athlete I trained gained 35lbs within 10 days after his contest and while he didn't look as ripped, he did look much larger.
Studio shots use lighting to put the athlete's to their best advantage and nothing is more unflattering that stage lights. It can truely wash out your definition and reduce the appearance of size.
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But I reckon the point of the arguement was that Gustavo has small arms. From the comparison picks I think that it's fair to say that this is not the case. They are not his strongest point, but in no way are they small.
Gotta go to work, I'll keep in touch.
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yeah ok maybe you're right about the mag cover, I dunno, I'm not gonna argue about it,
ok i'll catch you later bro
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yeah but if he's not careful he'll end up like King Kamali, people will be hating on him forever if his attitude doesn't change
the moment he loses or places bad, people will rip on him forever...King Kamali is exactly the same :-\
no not like kamali. kamali talked shit just to talk it and cant back it up. gus is number 3 or 4 in the world, he can talk if he wants. he did beat ron in the challenge round. remember, it is competition. they dont train for second place, cuz like shawn said, second place is first place loser, aint it shawn?
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the moment he places outta top 5 it'll happen :-\
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M1, whats your deal? you let up on the gayness threads cuause it was pissing everyone off and now your ripping on # 3 in the world.
Gus happens to be a favorite of alot of ours. Quit bashing.
Try to be a nice little bisexual :P
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yeah theres been alot of gustavo bashing. I donno why i think hes awesome.
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yeah theres been alot of gustavo bashing. I donno why i think hes awesome.
three days ago it was dorian...who's next ?
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he's got a cocky attitude thats for sure, if he wasn't cocky, if he a humble champion he would be twice as popular, but cockiness and unreal measurements won't make a guy liked :-\
Haters rest in peace......
Let the man live.......
DIV
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I can't understand why the mags keep calling a Venezuelian guy who has lived in Las Vegas for the past year the "Freakin' Rican." ::) If Gunter lived in Puerto Rico for a couple years would he become the "Freakin' Rican" too?
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badell is way overrated. he doesnt hit the shots right and i hate that stupid look on his face. zero aesthetics. he sucks.
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badell is way overrated. he doesnt hit the shots right and i hate that stupid look on his face. zero aesthetics. he sucks.
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The side chest pose and side tricep pose between Jay and Gustavo, Jay still owns Gustavo
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The side chest pose and side tricep pose between Jay and Gustavo, Jay still owns Gustavo
I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm only saying that Gustavo doesn't have small arms.
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The side chest pose and side tricep pose between Jay and Gustavo, Jay still owns Gustavo
i love the word "owned" gustavo is the runner up to jay i could see jay "owning" jonnie jackson but the guy right behind him..no not owned. I don't think ronnie owns jay either.
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i love the word "owned" gustavo is the runner up to jay i could see jay "owning" jonnie jackson but the guy right behind him..no not owned. I don't think ronnie owns jay either.
although Gustavo is right behind him.. Jay and Ronnie were far away from the rest of the pack. So still, Jay on Gustavo = OWNED
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M1, whats your deal? you let up on the gayness threads cuause it was pissing everyone off and now your ripping on # 3 in the world.
Gus happens to be a favorite of alot of ours. Quit bashing.
Try to be a nice little bisexual :P
I'm not ripping on him bro, I think he's a good bodybuilder, but as everyone would agree, I think he's cocky, arrogant and no very big for a pro, and I think he exaggerates his measurements. He makes wild claims like 22 inch arms and 250 lbs he says, but I call bullshit, he's 5ft7 with 19 inchers, 230lbs and the pics prove it :o
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I'm not ripping on him bro, I think he's a good bodybuilder, but as everyone would agree, I think he's cocky, arrogant and no very big for a pro, and I think he exaggerates his measurements. He makes wild claims like 22 inch arms and 250 lbs he says, but I call bullshit, he's 5ft7 with 19 inchers, 230lbs and the pics prove it :o
Here we go again, if he has 19" arms, then Jay has no more than 20" and Cormier and Dex have what? 18.5" ??? Gustavo probably has 20.5-21" and has weighted-in at shows at 235-245 and as most guys competing know, you are always a tad light at the weigh-in due to water loss.
At the 2005 "O" Ronnie was 275lbs, Jay 264lbs, Gustavo 245 and Gunter 295lbs.
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Comparison shot
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yeah ok that pic does look abit otherwise, but bro whatever I can't be bothered to argue, whether the're 19 or 21 inches won't make much of a difference anyway :-\
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Another one
Again, not posting this to say that Gustavo is better than anybody, it's just to show that his arms aren't small.
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Side chest
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it doesn't matter, no well in hell will he win the AC
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yeah ok that pic does look abit otherwise, but bro whatever I can't be bothered to argue, whether the're 19 or 21 inches won't make much of a difference anyway :-\
Well you did started the topic about how small his arms are! You even said that they were as small as 18"... if you don't care and if you think that it doesn't made much of a difference, then why start the topic?
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it doesn't matter, no well in hell will he win the AC
I never said he will... Your topic states that he is small for a pro bodybuilder and your post were (among other things) regarding the size of his arms. I only demonstrated that this is not true. I never made any prediction about his placing, nor do I care to. So many factors are involved that it's impossible to predict with certainty before the men first step onstage that day.
That having been said, I always refrain from saying that a top competitor has no chance of winning a show. At that level, on any given day, any of the top 6-10 men can win.
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on a side note man coleman sux at showing his tries off, there huge mofo's but he just cant his the side tri pose for shi t on stage
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on a side note man coleman sux at showing his tries off, there huge mofo's but he just cant his the side tri pose for shi t on stage
Agreed, but some men have such a big torso and lack of upper body flexibility that it actually makes the triceps pose quite ackward. In Canada we have an "anatomically compact" bodybuilder named Samer Zebib. The guy stepped onstage this year ar 215lbs on 5'3" (and the guy gets peeled! But he has a huge gut) he has arms that are every bit of 22" (measured in front of me). In off-season shape he is around 245lbs and still has super thin skin. Anyway, he actually has some serious troubles grabbing his wrist when doing a triceps pose. When that happens he cannot fully extend his "posing" arm and as a result the triceps is not fully flexed. I'm not saying that this is Ronnie's problem, but his unhumain mass could make that pose a bit trickier. Then again, a lot of the top men (Jay, Dennis) are just as thick and can show the triceps nicely, so who knows?
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Ruhl!!!! i wanna see his side tricep pose. how dare you all call a pro small!? Ruhl has an awesome abs and thighs pose... sorry if i sound random i'm drunk with Beck's.
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here
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M1 are you in the special olympics, or just plain stupid.Gustavo Baddell is huge.I train with him sometimes, and the guy right now is 275lbs, and he is 6 weeks out from the Arnold.His arms are and easy 22" if not 22 1/2 ".I am 275lbs and my arms are 21" and he pretty much kills me.I would like you to walk up to Gustavo Badell and tell him he is small at 5'7" and 275 lbs ,lol he could sneeze and knock you out, lol.Dude get a grip give the man his props, he took 3rd in the Olympia 2 years in a row.I bet Gusavos arms are bigger then your legs,lol
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M1 are you in the special olympics, or just plain stupid.Gustavo Baddell is huge.I train with him sometimes, and the guy right now is 275lbs, and he is 6 weeks out from the Arnold.His arms are and easy 22" if not 22 1/2 ".I am 275lbs and my arms are 21" and he pretty much kills me.I would like you to walk up to Gustavo Badell and tell him he is small at 5'7" and 275 lbs ,lol he could sneeze and knock you out, lol.Dude get a grip give the man his props, he took 3rd in the Olympia 2 years in a row.I bet Gusavos arms are bigger then your legs,lol
seriously
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I saw Gustavo as a teen playing a lifeguard in an old episode of Baywatch. Pretty good physique even then.
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M1 are you in the special olympics, or just plain stupid.Gustavo Baddell is huge.I train with him sometimes, and the guy right now is 275lbs, and he is 6 weeks out from the Arnold.His arms are and easy 22" if not 22 1/2 ".I am 275lbs and my arms are 21" and he pretty much kills me.I would like you to walk up to Gustavo Badell and tell him he is small at 5'7" and 275 lbs ,lol he could sneeze and knock you out, lol.Dude get a grip give the man his props, he took 3rd in the Olympia 2 years in a row.I bet Gusavos arms are bigger then your legs,lol
I give him his props yeah, he's a good bodybuilder, placing 3rd does merit respect. I guess the pics prove your point, he might have 22 inch arms whatever. I give him his due
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yeah but if he's not careful he'll end up like King Kamali, people will be hating on him forever if his attitude doesn't change
the moment he loses or places bad, people will rip on him forever...King Kamali is exactly the same :-\
Cmon! Badell is not Kamali.
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I saw Gustavo as a teen playing a lifeguard in an old episode of Baywatch. Pretty good physique even then.
Are you sure that was Gustavo on Baywatch?
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i don't understand where you guys are gettin this bad attitude from?
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Side chest
Look at branch standing next to the champ there. This guy has the ability to come out of nowhere and take the olympia crown when Ronnie retires just like ron did in 98
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Gustavo isn't big for a pro bodybuilder. check out these back double bicep shots and side shots from the O
Ronnie and Jay both 22 inch arm
Gustavo has small arms in comparison to those guys in the pics, especially the side poses, Jay's arm is way bigger than Gustavo's, the pics prove it
we're talking at least 3 inches smaller
Gustavo is like 5 ft 7 tops, we all know Jay is 5ft 9, and Jay is at least 2 inches taller in these pics
He says he's 240-250 lbs at competition, I don't believe it, we all know Jay and Ronnie are both about 270 lbs onstage, and they make Gustavo look real small in comparison, especially back shots, wheels and calves shot, they loo like they outweigh by at least 40-50 lbs, not 20 lbs as he claims, I don't think he can be more than 220-225 lbs ripped
I'd only trust the weigh ins if they were done in underwear and nothing else, anyone can fill their pockets with stuff and be 20 lbs heavier than what they really are
Yeah thats big at 5ft7, but I don't think he's as big as he makes out
Check out the 2005 Ironman pic. Gustavo claims to be 250 lbs, but we all know Lee is 200 lbs contest shape, and there is no way Gustavo is 40-50 lbs heavier than Lee in that pic, Lee is looks almost the same as him, Lee's arms are actually bigger, Gustavo could only 20 lbs heavier tops
Gustavo is bound to say he's 5ft 9, 250lbs with 22 inch arms, before we know he'll be claiming he's 300 lbs off season, loads of pros exaggerate their measurements
He's a great bodybuilder, yeah he has an awesome bod and he's big, but not big for a pro. Jay and Ronnie make him look small :o
If we saw him in person, we wouldn't be that impressed, he's the smallest guy in the top 5 O line-up by far
He's probably 220-230lbs competition, 5ft6-5ft7 with 18-19 inch arms
do you guys agree with me?
Lee Labrada wasn't either, yet look at him: one of the top four bodybuilders ever.(see the other thread, about the top three bbuilders, and you'll see my ratings and the reasons heretofore)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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WHO GIVES A SHIT? Last time I went to a pro show , no judges went up onstage with a tape meassure. Bobybuilding is all about illusion and genetics....long muscle bellies,small joints etc..
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stupid question.... what's a muscle BELLY?
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A muscle "belly", the genetically determined length of a muscle based on its origin and insertion. For example, Shawn Ray has full long bellies in his arms, versus like an Albert Beckles who has short muscle bellies in his arms (high peaks, big gap between bicep and elbow).
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Gustavo:
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don't hate son
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Are you sure that was Gustavo on Baywatch?
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Yeah no doubt. I think he had roles in Kojak, Columbo and Petrocelli too.
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I had no idea that it was arm size that won shows.... If that is the case then ladies and gentlemen I present your next Mr Olympia
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that's unreal. who's that freak?
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German dude with synthol arms. Made a little splash years ago at various trade shows.
Silly looking if you ask me, actually that is one of his best pictures.
I remember at the Arnold years ago I was with Don Ross and Bill Phillips and Don and I were gasping at the guys arms.
Bill turns to me and says "Yeah but tell me they're real!"
Definitely injected and super smooth.
Alex
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what are site injections? everyone's talking about synthol all the time but i dont think any pro's or anyone who's arms look like arms use synthol.
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Guy is Manfred Hoeberl.....freakish arms as I am sure they are 10W40......
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gustavos arm may b 22inches since ronnies arms r 24inches...its for sure ronnies arms r 24inches...definetly!!!!!!!!!!
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I remember at the Arnold years ago I was with Don Ross and Bill Phillips and Don and I were gasping at the guys arms.
Bill turns to me and says "Yeah but tell me they're real!"
Bill Phillips of all people needs to shut the fu.ck up...... ::)
That dude is a hater, a scammer and a cheater......(ask people who worked with him at Met-RX before he created EAS).
DIV