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These pic were taken this morning. Yesterday was championship.
I highly admit that my condition was far from what i can be and was so tired and flatout from long time diet.
But,
Now I realised watching them and competing against them that EVEN IF MY CONDITION WAS GOOD, I COULDNT BEAT THEM in spite of my size was similar to them..Their musclefulness and cuts are thousand light years away from the best of meeeeeeee!!
Why? Cus all of my category guys have been used GH & Slin,so their muscle would have never died with severe intense diet!
There is no fvkin reason that i can beat them forever and never.
But onething makes me feel really really good was my size were not so small beside of them. A natural bber doesnt look not so smaller than those super juicers. That counts a lot for me.
Maybe my contest history would end yesterday and wont compete again. But ok. with certain satifaction! ;)
Sorry that stilli dont have contest pic. Sooner I will post.
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These pic were taken this morning. Yesterday was championship.
I highly admit that my condition was far from what i can be and was so tired and flatout from long time diet.
But,
Now I realised watching them and competing against them that EVEN IF MY CONDITION WAS GOOD, I COULDNT BEAT THEM in spite of my size was similar to them..Their musclefulness and cuts are thousand light years away from the best of meeeeeeee!!
Why? Cus all of my category guys have been used GH & Slin,so their muscle would have never died with severe intense diet!
There is no fvkin reason that i can beat them forever and never.
But onething makes me feel really really good was my size were not so small beside of them. A natural bber doesnt look not so smaller than those super juicers. That counts a lot for me.
Maybe my contest history would end yesterday and wont compete again. But ok. with certain satifaction! ;)
Sorry that stilli dont have contest pic. Sooner I will post.
(http://www.shopparklane.com/images/shop_ballet1.jpg)
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LOL jk dude ;D
Great physique...how many more weeks till contest time kyomu?
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....good quads bro..
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LOL jk dude ;D
Great physique...how many more weeks till contest time kyomu?
Read
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Kyomu ,Don't give up !
I am 55,but still compete with guys half of my age and juiced !
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LOL jk dude ;D
Great physique...how many more weeks till contest time kyomu?
I know I am far away from my contest condition. But Its Ok. I need a rest for not losing my mass in vain this time. But, just what i want to say is that even if i would have came in shape, i couldnt be in good place due to lack of muscle fullness and super hard cut.
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....good quads bro..
Thanx.
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if you think that's the best you can look drugfree, then you are dillusional. maybe your drugfree status is a subconscoius copout that is keeping you from training hard and dieting. both of which you obviously didn't do enough of. if you have the opinion of; what's the point, the rest of the guys probably popped a pill so i don't stand a chance, then there is no way you can take your training to the limit.
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Kyomu ,Don't give up !
I am 55,but still compete with guys half of my age and juiced !
Thanx for encouraging me. But, your fellow competitors use also GH & slin?
I used to fight against adrogenic and anabolic users.And in my best condition,still i can fight against them.
But when it comes to GH & slin users... . another story.
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if you think that's the best you can look drugfree, then you are dillusional. maybe your drugfree status is a subconscoius copout that is keeping you from training hard and dieting. both of which you obviously didn't do enough of. if you have the opinion of; what's the point, the rest of the guys probably popped a pill so i don't stand a chance, then there is no way you can take your training to the limit.
Well said.
If you assume someone looks good becauase they drug and there is no other way to look that way...you are, ineffect, giving commentary on your own feelings of your ability, or lack thereof
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if you think that's the best you can look drugfree, then you are dillusional. maybe your drugfree status is a subconscoius copout that is keeping you from training hard and dieting. both of which you obviously didn't do enough of. if you have the opinion of; what's the point, the rest of the guys probably popped a pill so i don't stand a chance, then there is no way you can take your training to the limit.
First of all, I said I AM NOT IN MY BEST CONDITION. Read before you talk.
Obviously, You are young and dont know anything about BBing.
So better shut up.
For you, all the steroid is equal. But, its nothing equal. I still have confidence to beat adrogenic hormone users with my BEST CONDITION.
But, Slin & GH, Not.
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Well said.
If you assume someone looks good becauase they drug and there is no other way to look that way...you are, ineffect, giving commentary on your own feelings of your ability, or lack thereof
Todays european amateur bbers are way bigger and sharper crazier than your days pros.
Hope this help.
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Thanx for encouraging me. But, your fellow competitors use also GH & slin?
I used to fight against adrogenic and anabolic users.And in my best condition,still i can fight against them.
But when it comes to GH & slin users... . another story.
yes
they use everything !!
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First of all, I said I AM NOT IN MY BEST CONDITION. Read before you talk.
Obviously, You are young and dont know anything about BBing.
So better shut up.
For you, all the steroid is equal. But, its nothing equal. I still have confidence to beat adrogenic hormone users with my BEST CONDITION.
But, Slin & GH, Not.
i benched 200 lbs. in the 1970's. and competed in the 80's, 90's and as recent as this aug. 2007.
i have competed clean, on gh and insulin, and on just aas. at various times in my life.
the best i ever looked was on very low dose aas. no gh, no insulin. this was 1991 and i was 5'9" 240.
when i did gh and insulin, this was the worst i ever looked (yes, even worse than before i ever took a drug), and the worst i placed.
i am not young, and i certainly am not uninformed. i have seen people over the decades that not only do no drugs and could beat you, but also people who don't train and could beat you.
the point in my life when i said i couldn't keep up to juicers was the time when my progress was the absolute slowest, as i convinced myself that i was missing something.
no emotion here, no meltdown, just stating the only facts that could possibly cause you to improve your physique.
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i benched 200 lbs. in the 1970's. and competed in the 80's, 90's and as recent as this aug. 2007.
i have competed clean, on gh and insulin, and on just aas. at various times in my life.
the best i ever looked was on very low dose aas. no gh, no insulin. this was 1991 and i was 5'9" 240.
when i did gh and insulin, this was the worst i ever looked (yes, even worse than before i ever took a drug), and the worst i placed.
i am not young, and i certainly am not uninformed. i have seen people over the decades that not only do no drugs and could beat you, but also people who don't train and could beat you.
the point in my life when i said i couldn't keep up to juicers was the time when my progress was the absolute slowest, as i convinced myself that i was missing something.
no emotion here, no meltdown, just stating the only facts that could possibly cause you to improve your physique.
First of all.i apologize you to treat you as a kid. I am sorry.
Off course, I am keep on improving and i still have confidence to get way bigger.
But,still i cant find a way to get cut and FULL. I can get cut and flat. But, I still dont know how to get cut and FULL.
This time i could be in under 75kg to be cut. But I saw meaningless to be in that category since i lost tons of muscles over 7 months diet and cardio.
So this time i come in this smooth condition. And I know next time i can be in way more harder and bigger condition because of starting diet with good condition.
But, yesterday, those guys conditionwas like this.
I am not exagerating.
So i dont have any confidence with the guys like this condition no matter how hard i am with natural state.
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First of all.i apologize you to treat you as a kid. I am sorry.
Off course, I am keep on improving and i still have confidence to get way bigger.
But,still i cant find a way to get cut and FULL. I can get cut and flat. But, I still dont know how to get cut and FULL.
This time i could be in under 75kg to be cut. But I saw meaningless to be in that category since i lost tons of muscles over 7 months diet and cardio.
So this time i come in this smooth condition. And I know next time i can be in way more harder and bigger condition because of starting diet with good condition.
But, yesterday, those guys conditionwas like this.
I am not exagerating.
the two things i heard most when i train are:
1: your body can't use all the protein you are eating.
2: fuck! do you ever grow fast!!
the two key factors in bodybuilding are stimulating growth in the gym, and feeding your muscles all the protein they can handle. i am a firm believer in 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. yes, i know everyone says that is too much, and even the people who think they get that much aren't.. it is truly an all day and all night job trying to consume that much protein.
steroids, growth, creatine whatever; are just catylysts to make your body utilize your protein better. even they aren't as effective if you are deficient in protein.
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Hey... I think yoou are misunderstanding.
I am not smaller than them. I am not talking about the size.
The problem is super condition and muscle fullness and roundness.
Do you get it?
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Hey... I think yoou are misunderstanding.
I am not smaller than them. I am not talking about the size.
The problem is super condition and muscle fullness and roundness.
Do you get it?
don't worry about beating them. if you come in at your best, even if you get beaten by someone who's "on", just realize that that's probably the only reason they beat you. you've got some nutso genes for shape (wong hong, anyone?).
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Hey... I think yoou are misunderstanding.
I am not smaller than them. I am not talking about the size.
The problem is super condition and muscle fullness and roundness.
Do you get it?
i have noticed that the biggest difference in drugtested shows is that the competitors are smaller and BETTER conditioned. that is usually the equalizer, that clean guys can't match the size, but they can even exceed the conditioning of drugged guys.
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don't worry about beating them. if you come in at your best, even if you get beaten by someone who's "on", just realize that that's probably the only reason they beat you. you've got some nutso genes for shape (wong hong, anyone?).
great point often overlooked!! i would rather place 10th looking the best i ever have, opposed to winning when i wasn't at my best. if you have improved from your previous best, how can your placing detract from your personal victory, which is what bb. is all about.
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i have noticed that the biggest difference in drugtested shows is that the competitors are smaller and BETTER conditioned. that is usually the equalizer, that clean guys can't match the size, but they can even exceed the conditioning of drugged guys.
Its happening in America. US amatuers are not so severe conditioned like europe amateur.
But I understand you. I saw many ripped natural. But they are not full. I can be ripped also in the future. But super full and staying big is almost impossible. Thats what i am saying.
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Its happening in America. US amatuers are not so severe conditioned like europe amateur.
But I understand you. I saw many ripped natural. But they are not full. I can be ripped also in the future. But super full and staying big is almost impossible. Thats what i am saying.
for sure, maintaining intramuscular water while draining subcutanious water is tricky, even when drugged. (actually it was the main factor in me always getting my ass kicked on stage). that is the key to muscle fullness while being shredded, it's tricky to win to tug-of-war of keeping the water inside of the muscle instead of on top of it. trust me, even drugged i never figured it out.
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don't worry about beating them. if you come in at your best, even if you get beaten by someone who's "on", just realize that that's probably the only reason they beat you. you've got some nutso genes for shape (wong hong, anyone?).
Exactly. He shouldn't care that his best is 12% bf and minimal muscle growth, as long as it is his best he shouldn't feel sad about it.
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Exactly. He shouldn't care that his best is 12% bf and minimal muscle growth, as long as it is his best he shouldn't feel sad about it.
ouch!! i'd say that is f'ng hilarious, but i think him and i just started getting along!
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You look great kyomu - a little bit more delt size is needed.
As for the drugs... take it or leave it ;D
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for sure, maintaining intramuscular water while draining subcutanious water is tricky, even when drugged. (actually it was the main factor in me always getting my ass kicked on stage). that is the key to muscle fullness while being shredded, it's tricky to win to tug-of-war of keeping the water inside of the muscle instead of on top of it. trust me, even drugged i never figured it out.
Hmmm. Yes. Then why GH is usuful? My fellow competitor told me that his muscle fullness stay the same during severe diet and i lose muscle fullness during that fase,thats the biggest difference between GH users and natural.
Whats your opinion?
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You look great kyomu - a little bit more delt size is needed.
As for the drugs... take it or leave it ;D
Thanx. Yeah my delts are shitty real lagging point. :-\ I have to fix it seriously.
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ouch!! i'd say that is f'ng hilarious, but i think him and i just started getting along!
How many times i must say...THIS IS NOT MY BEST CONDITION >:( >:( >:(
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How many times i must say...THIS IS NOT MY BEST CONDITION >:( >:( >:(
i realize that. my issue is that you should be saying "life was too important and i didn't prioritize my dieting and training for this contest and the guys that did kicked my ass".
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Hmmm. Yes. Then why GH is usuful? My fellow competitor told me that his muscle fullness stay the same during severe diet and i lose muscle fullness during that fase,thats the biggest difference between GH users and natural.
Whats your opinion?
honestly, (i am never anything but honest), i think i may have a resistance to exogenous growth hormone. it would shut down my digestive tract and i couldn't consume my neccessary nutrients. i would catabolize muscle tissue rather than preserve it. insulin just made me fat.
i think i am the exception mind you, or i'm just too dumb to do it properly.
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Kyomu, you look great man, awesome leg development. Just need a little more dieting to get those freaky lines in!!!
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Kyumo, may I ask why you are trying to compete in non-tested competitions if you are natural? Surely you will compare better when you are on a level playing field.
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Kyumo, may I ask why you are trying to compete in non-tested competitions if you are natural? Surely you will compare better when you are on a level playing field.
Because, my purpose is not winning itself. I am so interested in my capacity. So the contest should be tough or its no use to compete.
And at the same time, I am not so stupid. And I know i have enough mass to stand next to these guys and every competitive bbers around me told me that i am carrying enough mass to stand next to these steroid users. So my problem is not mass but the condition.
For me bbing contest is a challenge to myself and prejudice. Thats why very exciting for me.
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i realize that. my issue is that you should be saying "life was too important and i didn't prioritize my dieting and training for this contest and the guys that did kicked my ass".
OK.If you doubt my toughness that much, please post your leg pics. Because, I always measure legs development as the measure of mental toughness.
And please beat my skinny legs by posting your huge legs.
I am waiting.
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Kyomu, you look great!
There are always going to be people that will be using that competitive edge. If you choose not to go that route, all you can do is bring the best package you can on that stage.
I cant wait to see pics of you when you really get cut up!
I bet that will be the big difference right there!
Youre going to look great!
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Kyomu, you look great man, awesome leg development. Just need a little more dieting to get those freaky lines in!!!
Thank you very much.
Of course, I have 100% confident to get way much harder than this. But they were hard like Paco bautista. Thats why i am bit disappointed...
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Kyomu, you look great!
There are always going to be people that will be using that competitive edge. If you choose not to go that route, all you can do is bring the best package you can on that stage.
I cant wait to see pics of you when you really get cut up!
I bet that will be the big difference right there!
Youre going to look great!
Thanx a lot jerry.
I promise you that i bring you better package in october.
You gave me a lot of power!
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And I know i have enough mass to stand next to these guys and every competitive bbers around me told me that i am carrying enough mass to stand next to these steroid users.
Im sorry dude you seem like a nice guy, but you're wrong, you dont have enough mass to stand next to the users. The people who told you this were just being nice.
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Why would you bother competing against an uneven playing field? In a national show, there's no way you could come close to someone on a ton of gear/gh, etc.
I know guys who competed in a natural show, saw it was bullshit, then started juicing to compete in regular shows...still in the end, it's kind of pointless...wouldn't you agree? Competing in something which requires no skill, is basically a beauty show.
So, unless you actually get paid decently for it...where is the fulfillment in something that is drug ridden and requires no skill?
Kind of like middle aged guys who go crazy when their softball team wins the "championship":) Yeah, they won, but against who.
It's great you're dedicated to doing it with no drugs, but competing against any heavy juicer with decent genetics...you would stand zero chance. It's just science.
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Im sorry dude you seem like a nice guy, but you're wrong, you dont have enough mass to stand next to the users. The people who told you this were just being nice.
I have tons of friends and they always told me truth. Its not my first championship and i have already beaten users several times before.
You cant judge from these pics only.
You have to know many many levels of juicers.
I recomend you to go to attend many shows.
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Why would you bother competing against an uneven playing field? In a national show, there's no way you could come close to someone on a ton of gear/gh, etc.
I know guys who competed in a natural show, saw it was bullshit, then started juicing to compete in regular shows...still in the end, it's kind of pointless...wouldn't you agree? Competing in something which requires no skill, is basically a beauty show.
So, unless you actually get paid decently for it...where is the fulfillment in something that is drug ridden and requires no skill?
Kind of like middle aged guys who go crazy when their softball team wins the "championship":) Yeah, they won, but against who.
It's great you're dedicated to doing it with no drugs, but competing against any heavy juicer with decent genetics...you would stand zero chance. It's just science.
Then they had to beat my mass co pletely too.
For ex, my legs were biggest in the category.
Then WHY YOU CALLED IT ZERO CHANCE?
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Steroids are going to do hell of a lot more for this muscle fullness you speak of. Go ahead and take GH and insulin without steroids and see if you get the swole look the druggies have.
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Steroids are going to do hell of a lot more for this muscle fullness you speak of. Go ahead and take GH and insulin without steroids and see if you get the swole look the druggies have.
Then its not going to be a challenge.
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Then they had to beat my mass co pletely too.
For ex, my legs were biggest in the category.
Then WHY YOU CALLED IT ZERO CHANCE?
your legs were the biggest in the category?? so how small were these gh n slin users??
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Then they had to beat my mass co pletely too.
For ex, my legs were biggest in the category.
Then WHY YOU CALLED IT ZERO CHANCE?
I'm not speaking on that show, but in general. On a national level against roid users, you wouldn't be able to come close naturally...nor would most people.
Again, competing is all relative. Against who? I could enter a local show, do nothing, and probably get top 5. Granted, consider the number of delusional people who compete....Vince G, etc. I could crack top 3 in a local fair show in a small town in Idaho, but so what...consider who I'd be "beating". It's similar to me joining little league again and going 8-0 leading my team to a "title". Yeah, I'd hit record breaking numbers...but I couldn't bat .050 in the Major Leagues...that's the point.
Same with different categories. So, in Witchita, KA Local show 4B, division C, lightweight class, novice...I took first. ??? I'm not knocking you, but there are so many shows with different classes, etc...who's to say what is a real victory? If I beat 2 handicap kids in the 100m hurdles, would I feel like a winner?
If you enjoy competing, have fun with it though.
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Then its not going to be a challenge.
Why did you stop using drugs?
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I'm not speaking on that show, but in general. On a national level against roid users, you wouldn't be able to come close naturally...nor would most people.
Again, competing is all relative. Against who? I could enter a local show, do nothing, and probably get top 5. Granted, consider the number of delusional people who compete....Vince G, etc. I could crack top 3 in a local fair show in a small town in Idaho, but so what...consider who I'd be "beating". It's similar to me joining little league again and going 8-0 leading my team to a "title". Yeah, I'd hit record breaking numbers...but I couldn't bat .050 in the Major Leagues...that's the point.
Same with different categories. So, in Witchita, KA Local show 4B, division C, lightweight class, novice...I took first. ??? I'm not knocking you, but there are so many shows with different classes, etc...who's to say what is a real victory? If I beat 2 handicap kids in the 100m hurdles, would I feel like a winner?
If you enjoy competing, have fun with it though.
Then why you talk about drug user so much? Nothing to do with it. If you are 90kg shredded,you will beat some 90kg steroid users thats all.
Thats what i do and plain simple....
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Why did you stop using drugs?
Because if i kept on using drugs, i have to be really really good like being a champ of some pro shows or meaningless.
Thats what i felt.
But Be careful, I wrote down "What i feel".
Its MY point of view. Dont forget about it.
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your legs were the biggest in the category?? so how small were these gh n slin users??
This is the second place guy. OK this year he is 3kg bigger. But his legs still look like this.
http://www.ifbb-spain.com/galeria3.php?idioma=ESP&id=64&serie=43
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Exactly. He shouldn't care that his best is 12% bf and minimal muscle growth, as long as it is his best he shouldn't feel sad about it.
This is my lowest bf level. Hope this help.
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OK.If you doubt my toughness that much, please post your leg pics. Because, I always measure legs development as the measure of mental toughness.
And please beat my skinny legs by posting your huge legs.
I am waiting.
this is your second emotional response to my logical nonjudgemental posts. i'm sure you are a much better bodybuilder than i was or ever will be. all i'm trying to point out is that one needs to be accountable for their shortcomings, because as soon as you blame someone else it is impossible for you to improve.
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this is your second emotional response to my logical nonjudgemental posts. i'm sure you are a much better bodybuilder than i was or ever will be. all i'm trying to point out is that one needs to be accountable for their shortcomings, because as soon as you blame someone else it is impossible for you to improve.
That's quite debatable. Isn't that you in this pic? Look pretty damn good there.
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OK.If you doubt my toughness that much, please post your leg pics. Because, I always measure legs development as the measure of mental toughness.
And please beat my skinny legs by posting your huge legs.
I am waiting.
not that my leg dev. is a measure of your mental toughness, but i'll go easy on you. this is me 25 years ago, 17 years old, training in a basement in a town where no one else even lifted weights. never even had a scoop of protein powder in my life, and i thought a steroid was a video game.
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That's quite debatable. Isn't that you in this pic? Look pretty damn good there.
thanx, bro!! yeah that was me in 1989 or 1990. i was 23 or 24.
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thanx, bro!! yeah that was me in 1989 or 1990. i was 23 or 24.
Yes, your obvious lack of leg development shows that you are, as Mike Mentzer would say, a weak-willed Namby Pamby loser! You better go home and eat some Sushi so you can "Toughen Up".
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Yes, your obvious lack of leg development shows that you are, as Mike Mentzer would say, a weak-willed Namby Pamby loser! You better go home and eat some Sushi so you can "Toughen Up".
sure i coulda built big legs if i wasn't lazy, but you know how expensive custom tailored jeans are!!
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Your legs look great. Excellent separation in the quads as well.
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Your legs look great. Excellent separation in the quads as well.
thanx man,, i found that by training for 10+ years before competing, there was plenty of time to keep all development in balance. i saw other guys who got huge in a couple of years and they invariably have one or two bodyparts that were glaring weaknesses. i guess that is the benefit of being a superslow gainer.
rik
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This is my lowest bf level. Hope this help.
Okay, fine, you didn't do your best and should be extremely sad for looking like shit at this recent show.
Better?
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you still have bodyfat to lose kyomu
nothing to do with fullness
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you still have bodyfat to lose kyomu
nothing to do with fullness
Huh..... I am so tired that why people dont read well my post......
I was saying even if i enter with 1995 condition(pic above) with current mass,i dont look full next to them.
Get it?
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Okay, fine, you didn't do your best and should be extremely sad for looking like shit at this recent show.
Better?
Dont get me wrong again. I am always ok.
Not sad at all.
Just even with 1995 condition, i would be at dead last. Thats all.
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congratulations though for competing!
You look good, and competing among those juicers takes a lot of courage!
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this is your second emotional response to my logical nonjudgemental posts. i'm sure you are a much better bodybuilder than i was or ever will be. all i'm trying to point out is that one needs to be accountable for their shortcomings, because as soon as you blame someone else it is impossible for you to improve.
I have never ever blamed someone in my life about my decision.
Quite opposite,I always believed that i could beat gh and slin users too. Thats why i keep on being natural and progressing until now.
Then now i ask you. Why you juiced?
It was the sign of your negativity showing that natural bber couldnt beat juicers never ever, wasnt it?
You were excusing for not doing hard work to go limit your natural capacity, werent you?
P.S. Nice physic and winning. Prop to you.
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congratulations though for competing!
You look good, and competing among those juicers takes a lot of courage!
Thanx. But this time really they showed the huge difference between natural and users. Beaten me terribly! ;D
But my frinds said that my size was competitive. That comments saved me a lot!
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OK.If you doubt my toughness that much, please post your leg pics. Because, I always measure legs development as the measure of mental toughness.
And please beat my skinny legs by posting your huge legs.
I am waiting.
You're calling this guy out? He dwarfed you at 15...
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You're calling this guy out? He dwarfed you at 15...
Is this Hazbin?
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i love guys who have shitty genes and juice yet they say they are all natural becuase they can pass for all natural, becuase their genes are so horrible..... you guys would be suprised on how many people juice and look like they never touched a weight in their lives..... get them drunk then they spill their guts of 1000mg test a week... then you laugh.... poor guys with their shitty genes...... genetics mean everything...
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i love guys who have shitty genes and juice yet they say they are all natural becuase they can pass for all natural...... you guys would be suprised on how many people juice and look like they never touched a weight in their lives..... get them drunk then they spill their guts of 1000mg test a week... then you laugh.... poor guys with their shitty genes...... genetics mean everything...
I highly agreed with you. Thats why i had confidense to battle out against them until that day.
But if you doubt that i am a juicer. You are dead wrong.
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Is this Hazbin?
yup.
But he's a juicer, so it doesn't count. ;D ;D
(No disrespect to hazbin, he looks awesome, but comparing someone with years of juice experience to a lifetime natural is ridiculous)
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yup.
But he's a juicer, so it doesn't count. ;D ;D
(No disrespect to hazbin, he looks awesome, but comparing someone with years of juice experience to a lifetime natural is ridiculous)
yes... but whats sad is when someone juices and he says "im all natural" and hes so scrawny that people believe him... even though he takes tons of juice...when the truth is... hes got shit for genes... hahahhah i love these losers.. when they are so small they can pass for as "all natural".
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yes... but whats sad is when someone juices and he says "im all natural" and hes so scrawny that people believe him... even though he takes tons of juice...when the truth is... hes got shit for genes... hahahhah i love these losers.. when they are so small they can pass for as "all natural".
;D ;D ;D
those are the best.
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Kyomu is a getbig legend for all the right reasons.
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Kyomu is a getbig legend for all the right reasons.
agreed!
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yes... but whats sad is when someone juices and he says "im all natural" and hes so scrawny that people believe him... even though he takes tons of juice...when the truth is... hes got shit for genes... hahahhah i love these losers.. when they are so small they can pass for as "all natural".
Oh are you saying that I am looking like a juicer indirectly?
thanx ;D
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Oh are you saying that I am looking like a juicer indirectly?
thanx ;D
im saying u got shitty genes...... keep up the good work.
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im saying u got shitty genes...... keep up the good work.
Then why do you suspect that i am jucing?
Are you insulting me saying that I am a liar?
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poor Kyomu, take note hazbin has given/offered some good advice But all to no avail.. lost in translation.
diet properly, don't make excuses like too tired ect.. then you may beat these people you are so focused in competing against. it's not rocket science, do your research try different diets, learn to carb up properly.
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poor Kyomu, take note hazbin has given/offered some good advice But all to no avail.. lost in translation.
diet properly, don't make excuses like too tired ect.. then you may beat these people you are so focused in competing against. it's not rocket science, do your research try different diets, learn to carb up properly.
Thanx for honest opinion.
I know i am not a expert of carbing up properly and getting rid of water.Still tons of things that i have to learn. And I keep on bodybuilding.
When I was competing back in 1995,6,i didnt feel big difference between me and juicers.
But this time was too much...
So I was surprised a lot. Maybe that made me this comment.
But regardless of my negative comment, i keep on studying and struggling.
So dont worry.
And thank you very much.
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So, you dieted for this show no?
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So, you dieted for this show no?
Yes. But didnt have enough time to finish it.
From the beginning, i and people around me knew it.
So I keep on staying same bf level 3 month to get back the mass that i lost in these 6 months and i start prepare again in 2 months.
Not a bad plan. But I dont know what happens. If I see my self very competitive, surely i enter autamn show. But if not, I wont.
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I saw all your precontest pics and kept waiting for your condition to jump out,it always looked like u were behind .then the last pics here for the show only showed the point.its always better to get lean and as hard as possible clean or not then to be in sorta shape and smooth.if u overdiet or flatten out you can make more out of it then being smooth and not lean enough.post the stage pics to see true condition to the other guys.
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You cannot just blame the drugs.
Ultimately you are at the mercy of your genetics.
An supreme ironager on a bit of test or dbol would blow away these middling guys even on gh and slin.
Don't just blame the drugs. Blame your parents - and maybe a bitchy, whiny attitude (I dont know in your case)
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You cannot just blame the drugs.
Ultimately you are at the mercy of your genetics.
An supreme ironager on a bit of test or dbol would blow away these middling guys even on gh and slin.
Don't just blame the drugs. Blame your parents - and maybe a bitchy, whiny attitude (I dont know in your case)
Let's blame islam- how'd that be?
It's islam's fault.
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i benched 200 lbs. in the 1970's. and competed in the 80's, 90's and as recent as this aug. 2007.
i have competed clean, on gh and insulin, and on just aas. at various times in my life.
the best i ever looked was on very low dose aas. no gh, no insulin. this was 1991 and i was 5'9" 240.
when i did gh and insulin, this was the worst i ever looked (yes, even worse than before i ever took a drug), and the worst i placed.
i am not young, and i certainly am not uninformed. i have seen people over the decades that not only do no drugs and could beat you, but also people who don't train and could beat you.
the point in my life when i said i couldn't keep up to juicers was the time when my progress was the absolute slowest, as i convinced myself that i was missing something.
no emotion here, no meltdown, just stating the only facts that could possibly cause you to improve your physique.
you are full of shit 5'9 240 low BF with no gh slin is not possible end of story
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Huh..... I am so tired that why people dont read well my post......
I was saying even if i enter with 1995 condition(pic above) with current mass,i dont look full next to them.
Get it?
you still had fat to lose in that 1995 pics
that's my point
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I saw all your precontest pics and kept waiting for your condition to jump out,it always looked like u were behind .then the last pics here for the show only showed the point.its always better to get lean and as hard as possible clean or not then to be in sorta shape and smooth.if u overdiet or flatten out you can make more out of it then being smooth and not lean enough.post the stage pics to see true condition to the other guys.
You are defenitely right.
Stage pic will be here soon.
I could be shredded losing even more mass to be like 1995 and same weight. But I felt it is meaningless.
Better recuperate muscle mass and stay lean for autamn show is much clever i felt.
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you still had fat to lose in that 1995 pics
that's my point
Then i accept your comment. I will do my best next time my friend. Maybe I can be next time. Because, i wont be fat anymore.
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You cannot just blame the drugs.
Ultimately you are at the mercy of your genetics.
An supreme ironager on a bit of test or dbol would blow away these middling guys even on gh and slin.
Don't just blame the drugs. Blame your parents - and maybe a bitchy, whiny attitude (I dont know in your case)
Dont compare me with those genetic monsters. I am not in there league.
Just my fellow competitors are similar genetic to me.
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Then i accept your comment. I will do my best next time my friend. Maybe I can be next time. Because, i wont be fat anymore.
here is my advice
diet longer, keep your calories at your maintenance level and then let the cardio take the fat off
you won't lose muscle mass that way, and as a natural you obviously need to eat as many calories as you can to keep your muscle mass
in shredded condition you would place pretty good
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here is my advice
diet longer, keep your calories at your maintenance level and then let the cardio take the fat off
you won't lose muscle mass that way, and as a natural you obviously need to eat as many calories as you can to keep your muscle mass
in shredded condition you would place pretty good
Thank you very very much. Very good advice! :D
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Thank you very very much. Very good advice! :D
no problem !
I am glad my huge 4 years of bodybuilding experience is appreciated ;D
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you are full of shit 5'9 240 low BF with no gh slin is not possible end of story
i appreciate that. look at my posts tho, do you think i would go into such detail and admit so much with such detail if i was lying??.. before i ever touched drugs people said i had to be using. my first cycle ever i told everyone in advance what i was going to try. 8 weeks later they all said i was lying, i had to be using more. i've always admitted to anyone who asked exactly what i would use.
1st pic of me is 1991, 5'9.5" 240lbs. gh was not even available except to the elite, and it was cadaver derived. insulin use for bb purposes wasn't even concieved until mid 90's.
second photo is my first use of gh, 4 units per day. i was sick as a dog the entire cycle, felt like crap for 8 weeks. the only thing i could digest was icecream, so i was eating almost a gallon a day. ended up shredded but couldn't grow due to lack of calories.
i don't lie about anything (expect to get laid once in a while,haha).
rik
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i appreciate that. look at my posts tho, do you think i would go into such detail and admit so much with such detail if i was lying??.. before i ever touched drugs people said i had to be using. my first cycle ever i told everyone in advance what i was going to try. 8 weeks later they all said i was lying, i had to be using more. i've always admitted to anyone who asked exactly what i would use.
1st pic of me is 1991, 5'9.5" 240lbs. gh was not even available except to the elite, and it was cadaver derived. insulin use for bb purposes wasn't even concieved until mid 90's.
second photo is my first use of gh, 4 units per day. i was sick as a dog the entire cycle, felt like crap for 8 weeks. the only thing i could digest was icecream, so i was eating almost a gallon a day. ended up shredded but couldn't grow due to lack of calories.
i don't lie about anything (expect to get laid once in a while,haha).
rik
Hey. Hazbin.
You guys encourage me a lot and maybe i aspire to be in october show.
I have plan to get back my lost mass of 3-5kg and stay lean.
Do you have any good plan like Stavios told me?
By the way, this guy took second(But this pic is 2007,he is bit bigger this year. but not big difference.)
http://www.ifbb-spain.com/galeria3.php?idioma=ESP&id=64&serie=43
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Hey. Hazbin.
You guys encourage me a lot and maybe i aspire to be in october show.
I have plan to get back my lost mass of 3-5kg and stay lean.
Do you have any good plan like Stavios told me?
By the way, this guy took second(But this pic is 2007,he is bit bigger this year. but not big difference.)
http://www.ifbb-spain.com/galeria3.php?idioma=ESP&id=64&serie=43
the most important advice whether it be an experienced natural, a suicidal juice pig or an old lady who just joined my gym is:
UP YOUR PROTEIN!!!!!!
your first priority is ingesting huge quantities of protein.. after that carb intake to fluctuate depending on energy levels and bodyfat levels.
every in my opinion would gain lean mass if they would up their protein. i think it is far more important than almost eveyone believes. even the ones who are juiced and know the benefit of protein still don't have the discipline to force down the required amounts.
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the most important advice whether it be an experienced natural, a suicidal juice pig or an old lady who just joined my gym is:
UP YOUR PROTEIN!!!!!!
your first priority is ingesting huge quantities of protein.. after that carb intake to fluctuate depending on energy levels and bodyfat levels.
every in my opinion would gain lean mass if they would up their protein. i think it is far more important than almost eveyone believes. even the ones who are juiced and know the benefit of protein still don't have the discipline to force down the required amounts.
Thanks for your great advise. I think so too.
My trainer decrease my protein intake before. Thats the biggest mistake i think.
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Thanks for your great advise. I think so too.
My trainer decrease my protein intake before. Thats the biggest mistake i think.
i say whether you want to bulk up or lean up, never mess with your protein. keep it constantly high and flucuate carbs and fats.
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Very impressive physique Hazbin!!
One of the best I have seen on here
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Kymou you need to bring up those arms, chest and traps....try hittin them twice a week and everything else once ...that should fix you good...
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.Blame your parents - and maybe a bitchy, whiny attitude ( in your case)
Good advice Sharma - you should follow it. Little muslim sewer queer :D
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How low were your calories kyomu and for how long? dieting sucks eh :D i'm currently around 2k a day.
Hazbin: what protein amount do you think a natural can actually utilize? ...I usually eat 1g per lbs/bw and fill up the rest of the calorie quote with carbs. Carbs taste good ;D
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you are full of shit 5'9 240 low BF with no gh slin is not possible end of story
oh, did you mean it isn't possible for you?? sorry i thought you meant me.
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OK.If you doubt my toughness that much, please post your leg pics. Because, I always measure legs development as the measure of mental toughness.
And please beat my skinny legs by posting your huge legs.
I am waiting.
hey, i found a couple of old shots from when i could squat. not great but proportioned.
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wtf?
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GOOD LEGS DUDE
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hey, i found a couple of old shots from when i could squat. not great but proportioned.
Lookin huge and hard. 8)