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The Chilling Rise of Right-Wing Hate in America
Thanks to some sleuth work on the Internet, we're starting to learn more about Richard Poplawski, the 23-year-old who killed three police officers yesterday in Pittsburgh, evidently out of fear that his guns were going to be taken away. …
Richard Andrew "Pop" Poplawski's ex-girlfriend said he dragged her by the hair and threatened to shoot her.
He slept with a gun under his pillow in a basement room filled with firearms and ammunition, convinced that Jews controlled the media and President Obama was scheming to take away his arsenal, friends and relatives said Saturday. …
When liberal radicals get upset, they engage in protests and damage property, like the nonsense you saw outside the G-20 summit.
When right wing radicals get upset, they either shoot lots of people and or blow up a building with lots of people in it (see, e.g., the FBI building in Oklahoma City).
“And, of course, when you point out that certain individuals with all their talk about “revolution” and “armed insurrection” are inciting this kind of behavior in unstable people, you will get howls of protest about the 1st Amendment and what not. Sure, crazy people do crazy things. But that doesn’t make it responsible to encourage them, which is what a lot of really foolish people are doing right now for purely political reasons.” --John Cole
Many of us have worried that the heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces might spill over at some point into violence in the hands of individuals prone to lashing out. We now have what seems to be a clear instance of that and three dead police officers. One wonders whether Fox News or the Second Amendment fanatics will chill it out a little. And then one realizes who we're talking about. –Andrew Sullivan
http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/04/chilling-rise-of-right-wing-hate-in.html
I've heard this sort of gun paranoia before. Chilling. It seems this anti-Obama impulse is seriously distorting the psychology of the president's political opponents.
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Ur kidding me right....the G20 was an organized liberal bs riot.....nobody here supports cop killers. Nice try liberal douchebag....this is how u idiots are gonna try and get our guns huh....with bullshit.
Decker u should know better then to pass this on.
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The Chilling Rise of Right-Wing Hate in America
Thanks to some sleuth work on the Internet, we're starting to learn more about Richard Poplawski, the 23-year-old who killed three police officers yesterday in Pittsburgh, evidently out of fear that his guns were going to be taken away. …
Richard Andrew "Pop" Poplawski's ex-girlfriend said he dragged her by the hair and threatened to shoot her.
He slept with a gun under his pillow in a basement room filled with firearms and ammunition, convinced that Jews controlled the media and President Obama was scheming to take away his arsenal, friends and relatives said Saturday. …
When liberal radicals get upset, they engage in protests and damage property, like the nonsense you saw outside the G-20 summit.
When right wing radicals get upset, they either shoot lots of people and or blow up a building with lots of people in it (see, e.g., the FBI building in Oklahoma City).
“And, of course, when you point out that certain individuals with all their talk about “revolution” and “armed insurrection” are inciting this kind of behavior in unstable people, you will get howls of protest about the 1st Amendment and what not. Sure, crazy people do crazy things. But that doesn’t make it responsible to encourage them, which is what a lot of really foolish people are doing right now for purely political reasons.” --John Cole
Many of us have worried that the heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces might spill over at some point into violence in the hands of individuals prone to lashing out. We now have what seems to be a clear instance of that and three dead police officers. One wonders whether Fox News or the Second Amendment fanatics will chill it out a little. And then one realizes who we're talking about. –Andrew Sullivan
http://www.librarygrape.com/2009/04/chilling-rise-of-right-wing-hate-in.html
I've heard this sort of gun paranoia before. Chilling. It seems this anti-Obama impulse is seriously distorting the psychology of the president's political opponents.
Apparently this Andrew Sullivan character is a gay, British Roman Catholic living in Massachusetts with his same-sex partner "Aaron"--for one thing he sounds like a mess--he must live a very conflicted life and he really ought to make up his mind one way or the other. For another thing, he's a dipshit for making comments like the one highlighted above.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Sullivan)
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I get so much shit in the Army, for being from Mass.
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I get so much shit in the Army, for being from Mass.
Massholes is an apt phrase for many over there.
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alright!!!!!!
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"When right wing radicals get upset, they either shoot lots of people and or blow up a building with lots of people in it (see, e.g., the FBI building in Oklahoma City)."
I did not know that the guy who only spoke vietnemese and killed 13 people was a radical right winger.
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Oops, sorry--the sources for the original article were improperly cited--the source of the stupid quote I highlighted was some yahoo who calls himself "Metavirus." So he's the dipshit, and my apologies to Andrew Sullivan for misattributing that quote to him, but he's still a dipshit anyway too.
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See...another getbigger Con making sure his shit is wired tight. Good job Dan-o
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Oops, sorry--the sources for the original article were improperly cited--the source of the stupid quote I highlighted was some yahoo who calls himself "Metavirus." So he's the dipshit, and my apologies to Andrew Sullivan for misattributing that quote to him, but he's still a dipshit anyway too.
Another thing, was that black guy who killed the cops in Oakland a right winger too?
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Comment and post of the day winner!!!!!
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Ur kidding me right....the G20 was an organized liberal bs riot.....nobody here supports cop killers. Nice try liberal douchebag....this is how u idiots are gonna try and get our guns huh....with bullshit.
Decker u should know better then to pass this on.
Nobody is supporting cop killer. The article just points out that the level of paranoia of some gun owning anti-government people is reaching the boiling point again and that rightwing media is doing what it can to fan those flames of paranoia.
No one's banning guns. That's a fantasy.
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"When right wing radicals get upset, they either shoot lots of people and or blow up a building with lots of people in it (see, e.g., the FBI building in Oklahoma City)."
I did not know that the guy who only spoke vietnemese and killed 13 people was a radical right winger.
The guy that killed the cops was afraid they were coming to take his guns away.
That's paranoid delusion. 3 cops are dead b/c of that paranoia.
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Nobody is supporting cop killer. The article just points out that the level of paranoia of some gun owning anti-government people is reaching the boiling point again and that rightwing media is doing what it can to fan those flames of paranoia.
No one's banning guns. That's a fantasy.
Yeah Decker thats why u have Hil, Pelosi and Holder talking about gun ownership and compromises. They're stirring all this talk up. We heard Obama and his god and guns comment.....we know how the Left acts as regard guns. They kill innocent people, burn kids and shoot dogs.
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Another thing, was that black guy who killed the cops in Oakland a right winger too?
I'm sure Decker will label him as such.
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The guy that killed the cops was afraid they were coming to take his guns away.
That's paranoid delusion. 3 cops are dead b/c of that paranoia.
which one?
The black rapist in Oakland or the Vietnemese guy?
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Last week in Pittsburgh. a guy named Richard Poplawski came home after a night of drinking. Hung over the next morning, he got into an argument with his mother, whom he shared an apartment with. Poplawski got rough and mom called the cops. His reaction was to put on a bulletproof vest, grab a few of his guns, including an AK-47 assault rifle, and wait for the law to arrive. When two officers approached at the front door. Poplawski blasted both in the head, and gunned down a third. Three dead police officers. One horrific tragedy.
So, who was Richard Poplawski? Well, we discovered afterward that he's essentially a 22 year-old conspiracy nut. Overly paranoid, he lived in fear that the government was intent on busting in and taking away his guns. He kept spouting to his friends about "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and that he "didn't like our rights being infringed upon." Poplawski also warned of the pending collapse of America. Sound familiar?
'Obama gun ban?' Where the hell would a guy get that kind of idea, particularly since the White House has no such plan in the works? Well, conspiracy-minded radio host Alex Jones, for one. Poplawski was evidently a fan of Jones, and was lso a big fan of conservative talk radio and FOX News as well. Sure, Jones is a pretty goofy cat. As tin-foil as one can get. Yet I'd hate to think anyone takes him seriously. Way too ridiculous. And the few people who do listen to him, visit his website and buy his videos and books are, well, a bit out there as well.
http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2009/04/shaking-can-of-nuts.html
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which one?
The black rapist in Oakland or the Vietnemese guy?
Not all gun murder is motivated by paranoid, pro-gun, anti-government nutcases.
The cop killer in Pittsburgh was a paranoid, pro-gun, anti-government lunatic.
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Last week in Pittsburgh. a guy named Richard Poplawski came home after a night of drinking. Hung over the next morning, he got into an argument with his mother, whom he shared an apartment with. Poplawski got rough and mom called the cops. His reaction was to put on a bulletproof vest, grab a few of his guns, including an AK-47 assault rifle, and wait for the law to arrive. When two officers approached at the front door. Poplawski blasted both in the head, and gunned down a third. Three dead police officers. One horrific tragedy.
So, who was Richard Poplawski? Well, we discovered afterward that he's essentially a 22 year-old conspiracy nut. Overly paranoid, he lived in fear that the government was intent on busting in and taking away his guns. He kept spouting to his friends about "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and that he "didn't like our rights being infringed upon." Poplawski also warned of the pending collapse of America. Sound familiar?
'Obama gun ban?' Where the hell would a guy get that kind of idea, particularly since the White House has no such plan in the works? Well, conspiracy-minded radio host Alex Jones, for one. Poplawski was evidently a fan of Jones, and was lso a big fan of conservative talk radio and FOX News as well. Sure, Jones is a pretty goofy cat. As tin-foil as one can get. Yet I'd hate to think anyone takes him seriously. Way too ridiculous. And the few people who do listen to him, visit his website and buy his videos and books are, well, a bit out there as well.
http://ltradio.blogspot.com/2009/04/shaking-can-of-nuts.html
He got the idea from Holder, Pelosi, & Hillary and Obama when he campaigned.
Why did this type of crime NEVER happen during GWB's watch?????????????????????????????????????????????
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Not all gun murder is motivated by paranoid, pro-gun, anti-government nutcases.
The cop killer in Pittsburgh was a paranoid, pro-gun, anti-government lunatic.
And the message is????
If you think that gun control is going to work, you better be prepared for thousands of these types of crimes if you want to pursue your liberal fantasies.
1776 or 1861 is going to occur again if the marxist asshole in the WH is intent on pursuing his left wing fantasies.
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He got the idea from Holder, Pelosi, & Hillary and Obama when he campaigned.
Why did this type of crime NEVER happen during GWB's watch?????????????????????????????????????????????
Why do rightwing gun lunatics get in a froth when a democrat is in office.
Invisible phantoms of gun confiscation become real.
Government suddenly turns into the 3rd Reich.
This is the sort of thing that occurs in the psychology of unbalanced people. They need help. Unfortunately assholes like Glenn Beck and the like make a living playing to their infirmities.
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And the message is????
If you think that gun control is going to work, you better be prepared for thousands of these types of crimes if you want to pursue your liberal fantasies.
1776 or 1861 is going to occur again if the marxist asshole in the WH is intent on pursuing his left wing fantasies.
The message is that gun lunatics are seeing threats where none exist. The rightwing spokespeople egg them on. Then some 'hero' does something like kill three cops....government agents.
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The message is that gun lunatics are seeing threats where none exist. The rightwing spokespeople egg them on. Then some 'hero' does something like kill three cops....government agents.
Pelosi, Holder, Hillary, and Yes, Obama, came out against the 2nd amendment, as late as two days ago on this.
The 2nd amendment represents the ability of people to adequately defend themselves against threats to their own safety.
When you want to take that away, people are going to revolt.
You may not like that, but its the truth.
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Pelosi, Holder, Hillary, and Yes, Obama, came out against the 2nd amendment, as late as two days ago on this.
The 2nd amendment represents the ability of people to adequately defend themselves against threats to their own safety.
When you want to take that away, people are going to revolt.
You may not like that, but its the truth.
Nonsense. Nothing of what you say is true. You're pushing phantom stories.
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Nonsense. Nothing of what you say is true. You're pushing phantom stories.
Oh really?????????????
Pelosi said yesterday alone she wants registration.
Holder said very clearly he wants AWB2
Hillary wants AWB2
Obama said clearly during the campaign "No one needs an AK47"
And you wonder why people are fearful of this Admn???
Again, why did these things never happen under 8 years of GWB????
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Nonsense. Nothing of what you say is true. You're pushing phantom stories.
READ BELOW FROM TWO DAYS AGO..
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Pelosi: 'We Want Registration'; Holder: 2A Won't 'Stand In The Way'; SAF: 'Gloves Are Off'
Second Amendment Foundation ^ | 8 April, 2009 | NA
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:11:37 AM by marktwain
BELLEVUE, Wash., April 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on April 7 acknowledged that gun registration is on her agenda, days after Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters in Mexico that the Second Amendment would not "stand in the way" of administration plans to crack down on alleged gun trafficking to Mexico.
"These are alarming remarks from Speaker Pelosi and Attorney General Holder," said Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb. "It appears that the Obama administration and Capitol Hill anti-gunners have dropped all pretences about their plans for gun owners' rights, and it looks like the gloves are coming off."
Pelosi's revelation came during an interview on ABC's Good Morning, America. While insisting that Congress "never denied" the gun rights of American Citizens, Pelosi told Roberts, "We want them registered. We don't want them crossing state lines..." Gottlieb noted that citizens' rights do not stop at state lines.
"But that doesn't really matter," he observed. "History has shown that around the world, registration has always led to confiscation."
In Mexico, according to the Wall Street Journal, Holder was asked if the administration might encounter constitutional issues as it tries to crack down on alleged gun trafficking. His response: "I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of efforts we have begun and will expand upon."
"These comments belie administration promises and Democrat rhetoric that party leaders respect the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the firearm of their choice," Gottlieb said. "They imposed registration of semi-autos in Pelosi's California and it led to a ban, but it certainly didn't disarm criminals, like the convicted felon who killed four Oakland police officers last month. We know from Holder that the Obama administration wants to renew the nationwide ban on such firearms, but that won't prevent crime, either.
"The administration and Congressional anti-gunners have declared war on gun rights," Gottlieb said. "The press seems deliberately blind to the statements from Pelosi and Holder, who blame our gun rights for their incompetence in dealing with crime. More than 90 million gun owners haven't hurt anybody, and they are tired of being treated like criminals."
The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.
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Why is it that the LEFT whines about Gitmo and the Patriot act and all the wire tapping crap...yet a CLEAR violation of the 2nd Amendment is well underway and they deny its even possible. Did anybody here loose any rights under Bush. Well under Barry, they'll take ur guns......not mohammed's gun, not abu's gun in Pakistan, ur gun in the US.
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READ BELOW FROM TWO DAYS AGO..
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Pelosi: 'We Want Registration'; Holder: 2A Won't 'Stand In The Way'; SAF: 'Gloves Are Off'
Second Amendment Foundation ^ | 8 April, 2009 | NA
Posted on Thursday, April 09, 2009 8:11:37 AM by marktwain
BELLEVUE, Wash., April 8 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on April 7 acknowledged that gun registration is on her agenda, days after Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters in Mexico that the Second Amendment would not "stand in the way" of administration plans to crack down on alleged gun trafficking to Mexico.
"These are alarming remarks from Speaker Pelosi and Attorney General Holder," said Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb. "It appears that the Obama administration and Capitol Hill anti-gunners have dropped all pretences about their plans for gun owners' rights, and it looks like the gloves are coming off."
Pelosi's revelation came during an interview on ABC's Good Morning, America. While insisting that Congress "never denied" the gun rights of American Citizens, Pelosi told Roberts, "We want them registered. We don't want them crossing state lines..." Gottlieb noted that citizens' rights do not stop at state lines.
"But that doesn't really matter," he observed. "History has shown that around the world, registration has always led to confiscation."
In Mexico, according to the Wall Street Journal, Holder was asked if the administration might encounter constitutional issues as it tries to crack down on alleged gun trafficking. His response: "I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of efforts we have begun and will expand upon."
"These comments belie administration promises and Democrat rhetoric that party leaders respect the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the firearm of their choice," Gottlieb said. "They imposed registration of semi-autos in Pelosi's California and it led to a ban, but it certainly didn't disarm criminals, like the convicted felon who killed four Oakland police officers last month. We know from Holder that the Obama administration wants to renew the nationwide ban on such firearms, but that won't prevent crime, either.
"The administration and Congressional anti-gunners have declared war on gun rights," Gottlieb said. "The press seems deliberately blind to the statements from Pelosi and Holder, who blame our gun rights for their incompetence in dealing with crime. More than 90 million gun owners haven't hurt anybody, and they are tired of being treated like criminals."
The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.
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Who cares? Is gun registration gun confiscation? Can the state regulate anything that has an effect on INterstate Commerce? Pretty much so. It's not a Second Am issue.
The 2nd amendment represents the ability of people to adequately defend themselves against threats to their own safety.
When you want to take that away, people are going to revolt.
Nobody is taking anything away from law abiding citizens yet here you are justifying a revolt.
A revolt against what?
This is what I'm talking about when I say that phantom confiscation is driving the right wing paranoia during a time of a democratic presidency.
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Why is it that the LEFT whines about Gitmo and the Patriot act and all the wire tapping crap...yet a CLEAR violation of the 2nd Amendment is well underway and they deny its even possible. Did anybody here loose any rights under Bush. Well under Barry, they'll take ur guns......not mohammed's gun, not abu's gun in Pakistan, ur gun in the US.
What right is being lost?
Cars have to be registered. Why shouldn't tools that make killing easy also have to be registered?
It's not a second amendment issue. Any legislative effort like this usually takes authority from the Interstate Commerce Clause.
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And what do you think registration leads to????
And what business it is of obama's of what rifle I own?
The left is all for privacy rights so ling as it is for abortion, but anything else you could care less.
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And what do you think registration leads to????
I think is will lead to guns being registered.
And what business it is of obama's of what rifle I own?
If the manufacturer/dealer has guns crossing interstate lines affecting interstate commerce then the government has an interest.
The left is all for privacy rights so ling as it is for abortion, but anything else you could care less.
I heard that the tavern down the street was held up by a guy armed with an unregistered fetus.
This isn't a privacy matter.
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I would point to a scene from Red Dawn, when the commies are going through gun registrations at the court house. Its the next logical step. They want to know how much ammo I have...fuck u Eric Holder, come count it.
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I would point to a scene from Red Dawn, when the commies are going through gun registrations at the court house. Its the next logical step. They want to know how much ammo I have...fuck u Eric Holder, come count it.
And I would like to point to a scene from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory where Charlie and Grampa Joe steal Fizzy Lifting Drink.
They knew it was wrong yet they did it anyways.
Back to the matter at hand. There's nothing logical about registration leading to confiscation. That's a fantasy to justify your feeling of indignation in battling a sense of somewhat impotence at the hands of a democratic presidency.
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Ok..why does Barry need to know how big my arsenal is. If I'm an ATF agent, I would check before I raided a house. Guess what, Barry doesn't need to know.
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Ok..why does Barry need to know how big my arsenal is. If I'm an ATF agent, I would check before I raided a house. Guess what, Barry doesn't need to know.
He does if the gun you purchased affects the stream of interstate commerce.
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How the hell does that matter...this is a ploy. Nice try Lib.
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He does if the gun you purchased affects the stream of interstate commerce.
And the bitch on welfare getting an abortion affects interstate commerce by forcing all taxpayers to pay for her. Do you suggest we be allowed to know who is getting abortions on the taxpayer dime?
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How the hell does that matter...this is a ploy. Nice try Lib.
It matters b/c you don't know how some gun regulation works.
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It matters b/c you don't know how some gun regulation works.
its not your business.
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And the bitch on welfare getting an abortion affects interstate commerce by forcing all taxpayers to pay for her. Do you suggest we be allowed to know who is getting abortions on the taxpayer dime?
I thought you said you were a lawyer? Your argument is not a good one b/c it's too far removed from a direct effect on interstate commerce.
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Explain how this affects inter-state commerce.
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I thought you said you were a lawyer? Your argument is not a good one b/c it's too far removed from a direct effect on interstate commerce.
So, how does my .308 deer rifle affect interstate commerce that I inherited from my uncle who never shot the damn thing?
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Barrett v. United States •; 1976; 423 U.S. 212; 382
Is the Gun Control Act violated by a convicted felon acquiring a gun that has at some point moved in interstate commerce, even if the felon’s acquisition and possession occurred entirely within one state [YES].
Bass, United States v., •; 1971; 404 U.S. 336; 351
To convict a felon of illegal possession of a firearm, does the prosecution need to show, in addition to possession, that the firearm had a connection to interstate commerce [YES]; Does the same apply to receiving, and to transporting a firearm [YES]; Would showing that the firearm had at some time previously traveled in interstate commerce be a sufficient nexus [YES].
http://www.gunlaws.com/Supreme%20Court%20Summaries.htm
A clause of the U.S. Constitution which reserves to the federal government the right to regulate the conduct of business across state lines.
http://www.webref.org/environment/i/interstate_commerce_clause.htm
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Ill tell you what, I will accept registration of all guns when:
1. All welfare receipients are drug tested and registered
2. All illegal aliens are off of welfare and registered an deported
3. Planned parenthood abortions done with tax dollars are disclosed and registered to the taxpayer
Lets have registration across the board ok???
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Ill tell you what, I will accept registration of all guns when:
1. All welfare receipients are drug tested and registered
2. All illegal aliens are off of welfare and registered an deported
3. Planned parenthood abortions done with tax dollars are disclosed and registered to the taxpayer
Lets have registration across the board ok???
Don't tell me, this is the law of the land. Your laundry list of what you hold to be grievous and unjust is not subject to the interstate commerce clause.
Here're my thoughts:
1. All welfare receipients are drug tested and registered - AFDIC works. It's a good thing. All welfare recipients are registered--Otherwise how would the gov. know to whom the check must be cut/addressed.
2. All illegal aliens are off of welfare and registered an deported - Did you know that pre-Nazi germany started to target immigrants (legal and illegal) as the source of the nation's woes...a convenient bogeyman.
MYTH #3: The nation spends billions of dollars on welfare for undocumented immigrants.
FACTS: To the contrary, undocumented immigrants are not eligible to receive any "welfare" benefits and even legal immigrants are severely restricted in the benefits they can receive.
As the Congressional Research Service points out in a 2007 report, undocumented immigrants, who comprise nearly one-third of all immigrants in the country, are not eligible to receive public "welfare" benefits -- ever.
Legal permanent residents (LPRs) must pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems for approximately 10 years
before they are eligible to receive benefits when they retire. In most cases, LPRs can not receive SSI, which is available only to U.S. citizens, and are not eligible for means-tested public benefits until 5 years after receiving their green cards.
A 2007 analysis of welfare data by researchers at the Urban Institute reveals that less than 1 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants receive cash assistance for needy families, compared to 5 percent of households headed by native-born U.S. citizens.
A 2007 analysis of U.S. Census data by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities makes clear that it is the U.S.-born, U.S.-citizen children of undocumented immigrants who are eligible for programs such as Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program
(SCHIP). The analysis found that, between 1995 and 2005, the share of low-income, non- citizen immigrant children (either undocumented or legally present) who received Medicaid or SCHIP dropped from 36 percent to 30 percent.
http://blogs.chron.com/immigration/archives/2008/01/post_80.html
And don't forget, Illegals support Soc. Sec. and they'll never see a penny in benefits.
3. Planned parenthood abortions done with tax dollars are disclosed and registered to the taxpayer - The entire basis of Roe v. Wade was privacy btn the doctor and the patient. So I guess you are saying you want Roe v Wade overturned. Isn't that tax money for educational purposes?
After all, if Planned Parenthood did it's job of education re birth control perfectly without hindrance, there would be no abortion.
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How is Obama's aunt on welfare and living in public housing on Boston then?????
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How is Obama's aunt on welfare and living in public housing on Boston then?????
What's your point?
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What's your point?
That there are many illegals on welfare. illegal aliens commit massive id fraud to get on welfare and food stamps.
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That there are many illegals on welfare. illegal aliens commit massive id fraud to get on welfare and food stamps.
Massive? Even Borin Orrin Hatch's assessment claims that about 1 billion a year is defrauded.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf That's a bit dated though.
Let's see some numbers from you on this 'pressing' issue.
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Massive? Even Borin Orrin Hatch's assessment claims that about 1 billion a year is defrauded.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf That's a bit dated though.
Let's see some numbers from you on this 'pressing' issue.
http://www.hometownstation.com/local-news/illegal-aliens-clarita-2008-05-05-02-00.html
http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm1714.cfm
http://www.usmessageboard.com/immigration-illegal-immigration/62934-90-billion-dollars-a-year-spent-on-welfare-for-illegal-aliens.html
Additionally, there is federal welfare and state welfare, city welfare, etc.
I have no idea where you live, but where I live everyone knows illegal aliens get a ton of welfare and food stamps.
Come to the Bronx and I will take you to places you could never imagine even existed. You will think you were in a third world country.
Trust me, its not like mayberry where you live.
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Massive? Even Borin Orrin Hatch's assessment claims that about 1 billion a year is defrauded.
http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf That's a bit dated though.
Let's see some numbers from you on this 'pressing' issue.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. FAIR: Immigration and Welfare
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cisorg/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. CNN.com - Transcripts
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. CNN.com - Transcripts
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. CNN.com - Transcripts
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts..cnn.com/TRANSCRI...01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. CNN.com - Transcripts
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12 The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period."http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. Wooldridge - How Much Further Into This Nightmare?
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!
We spend almost triple on illegal aliens then we do on Iraq
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By The Editors
As noted in Illegal Alien Crime Wave in Full Swing, in April 2005, the GAO released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:
Of the 55,322 illegal aliens studied, researchers found that they were arrested a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien.
· They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien.
· 49% had previously been convicted of a felony, 20% of a drug offense; 18% a violent offense, and 11%, other felony offenses.
· 81% of the arrests occurred after 1990
· 56% of those charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
· Defendants charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
All of these crimes would have never happened, i.e. they were preventable, has we had a serious program of deportation of the illegal aliens already here and proper border security to prevent both entry and re-entry.
In reviewing those numbers, note that the study sampled only about 21% of the incarcerated illegal aliens. To get the full extent of the collateral damage, we need to apply the average number of offenses across all 267,000 currently incarcerated illegal alien criminals. Doing so results in 1,288,619 crimes!
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