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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
Reasons:
- no major or even notable minor attack on US soil since 9/11
- We are very vulerable at ports yet nothing has happened
- Shooting down an 757 at an airport with a stinger missle would be a piece of cake and it hasn't happend
- Pulling up 2000 meters from a runway with a .50 cal can cause a big problem.....hasn't happened.
I think our counter intellengence is doing a a fine job and outside of that there is no real threat.
Also the only military threat we face is in iraq in the form of insurgents..........some thing we so brilliantly created.
Yep, i would be suprised if this whole thing is more a scare tactic for the support of defense spending.
Just my opinion. Hunch, suspicion etc...
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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
Reasons:
- no major or even notable minor attack on US soil since 9/11
Because of heightened and better security? In addition, we sent a strong message to terrorists, and their hosts, by wiping out the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I recall there being a potential crisis with Libya after 9/11, and Kaddafi was uncharacteristically compliant. I'd credit his response to our strong response to 9/11.
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Because of heightened and better security? In addition, we sent a strong message to terrorists, and their hosts, by wiping out the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. I recall there being a potential crisis with Libya after 9/11, and Kaddafi was uncharacteristically compliant. I'd credit his response to our strong response to 9/11.
I agree I agree.
That's why i don;t hink it is the threat it's made out ot be any longer
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I agree I agree.
That's why i don;t hink it is the threat it's made out ot be any longer
I don't know man. I think there are elements continually planning attacks against the U.S. I don't think we can ever let our guard down.
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Think of suicide attacks, why are there no suicide attacks? With all the sleeper cells around us and "them" wanting to die ::) there should be more suicide attacks.
And please don't tell me they don't have the "hardware" to carry out an attack, the US is full of nasty shit you can use to kill a couple of people.
I tell you something, there is no fucking thread or at least the thread is very minor... look at these idiots trying to blow up the planes in england, do you seriously believe they had any chance to carry out their mission? They were as stupid as the guy who tried to set his sneekers on fire to blow up the Semtex he hid in them.
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they would have implemented the 911 commission recommendations if the domestic threat was real.
they have been releasing "terror scares" every time Bush's poll numbers dropped.
Many of the suspects in local "plots" were half-retarded dropouts who went along with an FBI snitch's plan after he approached them. They're set up patsies used to keep a steady flow of arrests. ANyone curious why that giant UK plane scare is no longer in the news? Cause those arrested have been being released.
Why did the Repubs run ads with nuclear bombs with Osama's face right before the election? (Is this a clear example of fearmongering?)
A scared population votes repub, while one that feels safe votes democrat. Repubs have been playing the drama queen card from minute one on this. And when we're involved in several "maintenance" wars - (afghan and iraq now) - the defense firms (tied closely to media and wall street you know) benefit greatly.
Geez, for anyone to deny Bush has been a drama queen about it, or cried wolf... well, you're blinded by your loyalty. Same guy who would swear on a bible his brother didn't stab that guy, even as his blood soaked brother confesses.
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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
Reasons:
- no major or even notable minor attack on US soil since 9/11
- We are very vulerable at ports yet nothing has happened
- Shooting down an 757 at an airport with a stinger missle would be a piece of cake and it hasn't happend
- Pulling up 2000 meters from a runway with a .50 cal can cause a big problem.....hasn't happened.
I think our counter intellengence is doing a a fine job and outside of that there is no real threat.
Also the only military threat we face is in iraq in the form of insurgents..........some thing we so brilliantly created.
Yep, i would be suprised if this whole thing is more a scare tactic for the support of defense spending.
Just my opinion. Hunch, suspicion etc...
Now go write george w. bush a letter of gratitude.
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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
Reasons:
- no major or even notable minor attack on US soil since 9/11
- We are very vulerable at ports yet nothing has happened
- Shooting down an 757 at an airport with a stinger missle would be a piece of cake and it hasn't happend
- Pulling up 2000 meters from a runway with a .50 cal can cause a big problem.....hasn't happened.
I think our counter intellengence is doing a a fine job and outside of that there is no real threat.
Also the only military threat we face is in iraq in the form of insurgents..........some thing we so brilliantly created.
Yep, i would be suprised if this whole thing is more a scare tactic for the support of defense spending.
Just my opinion. Hunch, suspicion etc...
But if we pullout you can bet the terror threat will increase 10 fold!
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I don't know man. I think there are elements continually planning attacks against the U.S. I don't think we can ever let our guard down.
No certainly not. But fear based hysteria is like political capital you can spend freely.
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I don't know man. I think there are elements continually planning attacks against the U.S. I don't think we can ever let our guard down.
no one is asking you to unlock your doors and play Kum-Bi-Yah.
Explain bush not protecting the borders. obviously anyone concerned with domestic terror would have 20,000 troops with rifles guarding that border.
THe solution CAN lie somewhere in between taking control of 4 soverign nations, and laying down to die. You CAN defend yourself without conquering others. But you don't see that.
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Now go write george w. bush a letter of gratitude.
I should write a letter of congratualtions for making one good decision. Afghanistan.
Then i should pound his face with my fist for making mistake that invovled 3000 dead, 350 billion in debt, the port authority plan, etc...
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But if we pullout you can bet the terror threat will increase 10 fold!
Terror in that region will increase becuase your beloved leader is an idiot for getting us invovled there to begin with.
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Mr I - I hear you continually say "the terror threat will increase tenfold".
Can you clarify that? They are killing 4 men a day now.
Will they be killing 40 Americans a day if we turn over Iraq to its own leaders?
If you say yes, PLEASE quantify this and explain your rationale. THat's 14,600 deaths a year. FIVE 9/11s each year, if we let Malaki run his own nation.
Please tell us how poor iraqis are going to be able to pull off another 9/11 on US soil, every 10 weeks from now on, if we step back and they enter civil war and kill each other off.
I watch FOX a lot too - and I hear the "terror will increase tenfold" all day long. But no one is able to explain just how we're going to have FIVE 9/11 attacks each year by letting the Iraqis police themselves.
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I should write a letter of congratualtions for making one good decision. Afghanistan.
I thought I heard yesterday that 5,000 men are being pulled from afghan and sent to iraq.
Afghanistand and Iraq will soon be very obviously "maintenance" wars, where we spend, lose men, and accomplish nothing while we invade iran.
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If we invade Iran unprovoked we will have become Nazi GErmany. (Just my feeling at the moment)
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No certainly not. But fear based hysteria is like political capital you can spend freely.
True. But keep in mind 9/11 was years in the making. Whatever future attack, if any, that occurs on our soil is being planned right now.
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True. But keep in mind 9/11 was years in the making. Whatever future attack, if any, that occurs on our soil is being planned right now.
In Iraq?
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True. But keep in mind 9/11 was years in the making. Whatever future attack, if any, that occurs on our soil is being planned right now.
Yes, but that's a counter intellengence thing. Not a military thing. Long as we have quick deployment brigades (strikers, air cav, special forces etc...) and a strong navy and air force we can address virtually anything terrorist threat wise that would require military action.
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In Iraq?
We are talking about domestic terrorism and whether the domestic terror threat is exaggerated or not.
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We are talking about domestic terrorism and whether the domestic terror threat is exaggerated or not.
Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
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Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
Dumb question.
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We are talking about domestic terrorism and whether the domestic terror threat is exaggerated or not.
Check it out...
I was at theporland airport a while back and i was 300 yeards from the runway watching planes take off (at the Airport Sheraton) The only thing seperating me was a chianlink fence about 8 feet high.
Then i sat at the endof the run way watch planes land over my head at about 200-300 feet.
Our counter intellence in the USA is doing a good job AND perhaps the threat isn;t what its made out to be.
Planning and executing are 2 different things.... point is: it's been almost 6 years now.
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Yes, but that's a counter intellengence thing. Not a military thing. Long as we have quick deployment brigades (strikers, air cav, special forces etc...) and a strong navy and air force we can address virtually anything terrorist threat wise that would require military action.
You're talking about reaction, not prevention.
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Dumb question.
I think it's a brilliant question you cannot answer:
Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
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You're talking about reaction, not prevention.
Counter intelligence is prevention.....isn't it?
So is homeland security.
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Check it out...
I was at theporland airport a while back and i was 300 yeards from the runway watching planes take off (at the Airport Sheraton) The only thing seperating me was a chianlink fence about 8 feet high.
Then i sat at the endof the run way watch planes land over my head at about 200-300 feet.
Our counter intellence in the USA is doing a good job AND perhaps the threat isn;t what its made out to be.
Planning and executing are 2 different things.... point is: it's been almost 6 years now.
How long do you think it took to plan 9/11? I wouldn't be surprised if it took more than 6 years. There was also a pretty long gap between the World Trade Center bombing and 9/11.
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Mr I - I hear you continually say "the terror threat will increase tenfold".
Can you clarify that? They are killing 4 men a day now.
Will they be killing 40 Americans a day if we turn over Iraq to its own leaders?
If you say yes, PLEASE quantify this and explain your rationale. THat's 14,600 deaths a year. FIVE 9/11s each year, if we let Malaki run his own nation.
Please tell us how poor iraqis are going to be able to pull off another 9/11 on US soil, every 10 weeks from now on, if we step back and they enter civil war and kill each other off.
I watch FOX a lot too - and I hear the "terror will increase tenfold" all day long. But no one is able to explain just how we're going to have FIVE 9/11 attacks each year by letting the Iraqis police themselves.
Who's talking about Iraqis coming over here? I'm talking about the terrorist threat going up here, this is the first time I'm I've said "10 fold" nor have I heard it anywhere else...just a number I through out.
With the Dems (Polosi particularly) wanting to keep the boarders open, issuing DL's to Illegals and them just slipping through the cracks, you can bet we will get hit and as much as I hate to say it...it's enevitable that we will get hit anyway...it's just a matter of when!
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I think it's a brilliant question you cannot answer:
Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
Another dumb question. ::)
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Counter intelligence is prevention.....isn't it?
So is homeland security.
True.
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Who's talking about Iraqis coming over here? I'm talking about the terrorist threat going up here, this is the first time I'm I've said "10 fold" nor have I heard it anywhere else...just a number I through out.
With the Dems (Polosi particularly) wanting to keep the boarders open, issuing DL's to Illegals and them just slipping through the cracks, you can bet we will get hit and as much as I hate to say it...it's enevitable that we will get hit anyway...it's just a matter of when!
1) I don't believe we will be hit again. I don't.
2) How can you blame pelosi for the borders being open when the repubs have had 2 years of absolute control to FIX the border?
3) The 911 commission recommendations would do a ton to stop illegal immigration and bad guys from entering the country - but it's the DEMS that are pushing it, after sitting idle for 29 months since it was issued.
I don't get it man. You blame pelosi for the borders being open, then the repub-controlled white house and congress had plenty of power to fix it. the dems were powerless to stop them as the minority. How cna you blame them?
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We are talking about domestic terrorism and whether the domestic terror threat is exaggerated or not.
Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
BB - you ONLY believe the next 9/11 is being planned because you've been told it by the exact group (white house admin) which benefits most from the fear this threat causes.
You can't answer, dude. You can't answer.
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Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
BB - you ONLY believe the next 9/11 is being planned because you've been told it by the exact group (white house admin) which benefits most from the fear this threat causes.
You can't answer, dude. You can't answer.
240 this seems to be more of a debate tactic than a real question.
We couldn't know either way other than to say becuase Al Queda is still functiioniing they are still waging a war against America and therfore it's a safe assumption they are planning something. Aside from that you or I are not privy to all the current intel on them.
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Okay. Then tell us how you know the next 9/11 is being planned.
(If your answer is "Because Bush said so", then you employ circular logic in using the topic of this thread to defend itself)
BB - you ONLY believe the next 9/11 is being planned because you've been told it by the exact group (white house admin) which benefits most from the fear this threat causes.
You can't answer, dude. You can't answer.
Posted by Beach Bum last night:
"Why do you ask dumb questions day after day after day? They are like never ending. Just when I think you've asked your last dumb question of the day, you ask another one. Interesting talent you have."
Follow-up post by Beach Bum last night:
"Actually, I called your questions dumb. Here is your daily mantra: ask a dumb a question, don't get the answer you like (or any answer at all), claim the person has been 'owned.' Very persuasive."
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Al Qaeda has explicitly said this, and it has been reported by all major news organizations
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/30/alzawahiri.tape/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/30/alzawahiri.tape/index.html)
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YUP OZMO ;D Award winning documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis agrees with you ;)
The Power Of Nightmares - Part 1 of 3 - By Adam Curtis
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7815944823333801032&sourceid=searchfeed
The Power of Nightmares - Part 2 of 3 - "The Phantom Victory"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8828105995955577664&sourceid=searchfeed
The Power of Nightmares - Part 3 of 3 - "The Shadows In The Cave"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8732625326538179377&sourceid=searchfeed
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we know there are jihadists in the world who hate us.
weird thing is, every news story I see, every time there is an attack, it's because we are in their country.
the only domestic attacks - WTC1993 and WTC01 had fed fingerprints and ISI money, so we could consider them outliers.
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Al Qaeda has explicitly said this, and it has been reported by all major news organizations
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/30/alzawahiri.tape/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/30/alzawahiri.tape/index.html)
Al Quida was an invention of the CIA in the 1980s.
When they stopped working for us is unclear.
Whether certain elements of them still work for us, directly or by proxy, is unclear.
Why they conveniently release a scary clip every time it Benefits the WHite House, is unclear.
Terrorists attack us frequently when we're standing in their front yard with rifles. They attack very very rarely (a 10,000 to 1 ratio? 100,000 to 1 ratio?) on US soil, and each time there are indications of domestic governmental complicity.
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we know there are jihadists in the world who hate us.
weird thing is, every news story I see, every time there is an attack, it's because we are in their country.
the only domestic attacks - WTC1993 and WTC01 had fed fingerprints and ISI money, so we could consider them outliers.
That isn't completely true.
The attacks on foreign consulates would be considered an attack on America, since they are considered American land.
1998 US embassy bombings.
That is the interesting part, America was technically invaded by Iran in 1979 but neither Carter nor Regan did anything.
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we not getting attacked so what were doing is a waste of time. were just using terrorism as a scare tactic
if we got attacked tomorrow then you'll all be blamming bush for not doing enough..
you cant win with you guys
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we not getting attacked so what were doing is a waste of time. were just using terrorism as a scare tactic
if we got attacked tomorrow then you'll all be blamming bush for not doing enough..
you cant win with you guys
Yeah, we're wasting time in Iraq. How would those Shia insurgents attack us here? They don't give a shit about America, they ARE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THEMSELVES AND THEIR NATION.
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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
I hope your kidding bro,
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I hope your kidding bro,
Remember, i'm not saying there isn't a threat.
I just don't think we are above cookie monster.
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Remember, i'm not saying there isn't a threat.
I just don't think we are above cookie monster.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Remember, i'm not saying there isn't a threat.
I just don't think we are above cookie monster.
Haha, I would say you are right. FOX is outta hand, with their 'terror' alerts.
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Afghanistan.
Then i should pound his face with my fist for making mistake that invovled 3000 dead, 350 billion in debt, the port authority plan, etc...
sounds like a terroist threat to me??
maybe we aren't as safe as we thought
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Haha, I would say you are right. FOX is outta hand, with their 'terror' alerts.
Condi wanted to say hi to "my FOX guys" yesterday morning.
Monster bias.
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Who's talking about Iraqis coming over here? I'm talking about the terrorist threat going up here, this is the first time I'm I've said "10 fold" nor have I heard it anywhere else...just a number I through out.
With the Dems (Polosi particularly) wanting to keep the boarders open, issuing DL's to Illegals and them just slipping through the cracks, you can bet we will get hit and as much as I hate to say it...it's enevitable that we will get hit anyway...it's just a matter of when!
Could the terrorist threat go up here becuase we don;t have the funds to spend becuase they are all spent up in Iraq? M
Meanwhile, do you really think we can keep our borders 100% sealed from people sneaking in? DL's don't matter. Even if we built a fence around the country they got the ports right? who decided to on the port plan? was that pelosi?
Do you realize i can at anytime within an hour score heroin? How do you think it got here? Whree do you think it came from? What's the difference if the terrorist watned to smuggle the ebola visrus or VX gas? All that shit comes throgh the ports.
Not much of a point you have here other then more bias rhetoric.
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The terrorist threat is very real, one would be insane not the think so. I've been told by friends in the military that they are actually very intelligent and educated as well, taking their time, being meticulous so theyre attacks don't fail. The question isn't if, but when.
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we not getting attacked so what were doing is a waste of time. were just using terrorism as a scare tactic
if we got attacked tomorrow then you'll all be blamming bush for not doing enough..
you cant win with you guys
how do you make a case that Bush gives 2 shits if we get attacked or not. He dragged his ass on border security, passed a fence but his republican cohorts didn't fund it, tried to sell our ports to an Arab company out of Dubai. Right now a turd with less than a thousand bucks could come straight across the border and hook up an IED in a busy mall... cake walk... Bush hasn't given a shit about security. If we get attacked tomorrow, who do you want us to blame? I keep asking how Bush and company have been so comfindent without the security... Why haven't we been attacked... hmmm... I wonder this everytime I see guys like Adam Pearlman become top Al-Queda assets ::) Bush sure is confident that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here... Without much for security, something smells funny here...
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The terrorist threat is very real, one would be insane not the think so. I've been told by friends in the military that they are actually very intelligent and educated as well, taking their time, being meticulous so theyre attacks don't fail. The question isn't if, but when.
Oh it's real, it's many times stronger now than it was right before 9/11... but the real question is who's ultimatlely behind the threat... That answer is not nearly as simple as you'd like to make it. ;)
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the threat of terrorism here in the united states: http://www.hanlonsrazor.org/2006/11/29/the-real-threat-of-terrorism-in-the-united-states/
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how do you make a case that Bush gives 2 shits if we get attacked or not. He dragged his ass on border security, passed a fence but his republican cohorts didn't fund it, tried to sell our ports to an Arab company out of Dubai. Right now a turd with less than a thousand bucks could come straight across the border and hook up an IED in a busy mall... cake walk... Bush hasn't given a shit about security. If we get attacked tomorrow, who do you want us to blame? I keep asking how Bush and company have been so comfindent without the security... Why haven't we been attacked... hmmm... I wonder this everytime I see guys like Adam Pearlman become top Al-Queda assets ::) Bush sure is confident that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here... Without much for security, something smells funny here...
despite the fact bush had unlimited power, control of congress, and unlimited budget, our borders are still wide open.
And if another attack comes, can you believe people will still "blame the dems" for it? Even though they had no power to stop bush. fcking shame.
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by the republican logic, if an attack happens any time now it's bush's fault. remember, they blame 9/11 on clinton for not getting rid of al qaeda. so if an attack happens pretty much ever again, it's bush's fault for the same reason.
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If you guys think that these idiots are sitting on their hands and not planning the next one your crazy. Nobody on the board is privy to intel estimates and daily briefings on whats happening. All the FBI does now is anti terrorist stuff. The government is doing all it can to stop these guys. Theses bastards are waiting to get nukes and or chems and do 1 big spectactular attack like 911.
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how do you make a case that Bush gives 2 shits if we get attacked or not. He dragged his ass on border security, passed a fence but his republican cohorts didn't fund it, tried to sell our ports to an Arab company out of Dubai. Right now a turd with less than a thousand bucks could come straight across the border and hook up an IED in a busy mall... cake walk... Bush hasn't given a shit about security. If we get attacked tomorrow, who do you want us to blame? I keep asking how Bush and company have been so comfindent without the security... Why haven't we been attacked... hmmm... I wonder this everytime I see guys like Adam Pearlman become top Al-Queda assets ::) Bush sure is confident that we're fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here... Without much for security, something smells funny here...
Bush cares, I'm sure, but he is lazy and does nothing to stop it that he doesn't profit from. The corruption in politics is very real.
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If you guys think that these idiots are sitting on their hands and not planning the next one your crazy. Nobody on the board is privy to intel estimates and daily briefings on whats happening. All the FBI does now is anti terrorist stuff. The government is doing all it can to stop these guys. Theses bastards are waiting to get nukes and or chems and do 1 big spectactular attack like 911.
why would they need to? they've completely shattered the united states. our leaders and citizens both jump at their own shadows over five years after the original attack. and if you'd actually care to look through the old news stories, there have been so far three supposed "plots" broken up.
the thing is, none of the three actually involved al qaeda. they involved looney bins who were more likely to shit on the floor and start talking to it than actually carry out an attack. the miami 7 was hyped up ENORMOUSLY, but they had no weapons, no connections, no money, and no mode of transportation to get to chicago.
if that's the kind of stuff that they actually tell us about, what kind of plots do you think they deem not major enough to alert the media of?
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Bush cares, I'm sure, but he is lazy and does nothing to stop it that he doesn't profit from. The corruption in politics is very real.
then you just said he doesn't care...
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the thing is, none of the three actually involved al qaeda. they involved looney bins who were more likely to shit on the floor and start talking to it than actually carry out an attack. the miami 7 was hyped up ENORMOUSLY, but they had no weapons, no connections, no money, and no mode of transportation to get to chicago.
the guys in miami were half-retarded french haitians. couldn't keep jobs as dishwashers. The FBI snitch planned the whole thing and they just nodded their heads along as they smoked weed.
FOX NEWS: "Plot foiled just before they took down the Sears tower".
Completely unrealistic and logistically impossible headline.
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then you just said he doesn't care...
Well he does care, I mean who wouldn't, but he has to play up to all the money involved these days.
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If you guys think that these idiots are sitting on their hands and not planning the next one your crazy. Nobody on the board is privy to intel estimates and daily briefings on whats happening. All the FBI does now is anti terrorist stuff. The government is doing all it can to stop these guys. Theses bastards are waiting to get nukes and or chems and do 1 big spectactular attack like 911.
I agree.
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Well he does care, I mean who wouldn't, but he has to play up to all the money involved these days.
You listen to Michael Savage :-\ Obviously if he cared, he would put America over money... You can't say he choses money over the people but still cares... You can't have it both ways... Everything in this guys history says he gives a fuck not...
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You listen to Michael Savage :-\ Obviously if he cared, he would put America over money... You can't say he choses money over the people but still cares... You can't have it both ways... Everything in this guys history says he gives a f**k not...
I listen to savage almost every day. Look, bush is an american, im sure he cares deep down, but what I'm saying is he cares about money more than he cares about us. Plain and simple.
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Could the terrorist threat go up here becuase we don;t have the funds to spend becuase they are all spent up in Iraq? M
Meanwhile, do you really think we can keep our borders 100% sealed from people sneaking in? DL's don't matter. Even if we built a fence around the country they got the ports right? who decided to on the port plan? was that pelosi?
Do you realize i can at anytime within an hour score heroin? How do you think it got here? Whree do you think it came from? What's the difference if the terrorist watned to smuggle the ebola visrus or VX gas? All that shit comes throgh the ports.
Not much of a point you have here other then more bias rhetoric.
All the terrorist need to do is send one guy over here with the ability to make small bombs..He could then get a couple dozen homeless guys and trick them into walking into a mall or home depot or walmarts to set em off...Give these guys $100 and some Boones farm and they won't know what the fuck is going on...Hell minus the explosives, a 10 year old to put this all together..
one really has to wonder just why nothing has happend...Their should be shit happening every other week one would think...But nothing...Like where supposed to believe that our security is the reason... :-\
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I listen to savage almost every day. Look, bush is an american, im sure he cares deep down, but what I'm saying is he cares about money more than he cares about us. Plain and simple.
I hope you don't actually think your reasoning sounds good for him :-\ care deep down just doesn't cut it... Got to go by a man's actions, not speculation that he might give a shit...
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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I hope you don't actually think your reasoning sounds good for him :-\ care deep down just doesn't cut it... Got to go by a man's actions, not speculation that he might give a shit...
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
He took that oath.
Then, he ignored intel from the german ambassador which gave the precise date, target, and 5 of the 911 hijackers. He also personally ordered the FBI office in Venice FL to 'back off' Atta and that file became closed.
That oath was to preserve the constitution. The constitution gave those 3000 ppl the right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happpiness.
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If we invade Iran unprovoked we will have become Nazi GErmany. (Just my feeling at the moment)
"will have become", psssst - wrong tense.
I think 911, coupled with the subsequent invasions of both Afhanistan & Iraq require use of the past tense. :'(
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"will have become", psssst - wrong tense.
I think 911 Gliewitz, coupled with the subsequent invasions of both Afhanistan & Iraq Poland & Russia require use of the past tense. :'(
Fixed. :-\
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240, which way do you see the wind blowing? Sailors use the wind to unfurl their sails.
A good stiff wind has been known to carry sailors very far, ...provided they set their sails right. ;)
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If you guys think that these idiots are sitting on their hands and not planning the next one your crazy. Nobody on the board is privy to intel estimates and daily briefings on whats happening. All the FBI does now is anti terrorist stuff. The government is doing all it can to stop these guys. Theses bastards are waiting to get nukes and or chems and do 1 big spectactular attack like 911.
I'm more than sure that someone is planning something.
It's just that it's been 6 years and nothing has happened really.
And, there are all sorts of things you can do in teh US that don;t need much of a plan that would tragic.
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I'm more than sure that someone is planning something.
It's just that it's been 6 years and nothing has happened really.
And, there are all sorts of things you can do in teh US that don;t need much of a plan that would tragic.
I dunno. Almost six years since 9/11. "Thousands of sleeper cells" we were originally told.
mathematically, given all the trigger events which should have pissed these guys off, isn't it a *litle* weird that nothing has happened? And the several *busted* cells - they all had FBI snitches which presented the bombing plans to the hapless idiots, who agreed then were promptly arrested.
Thousands of cells, we were told. A very open society, wide open border. Yet nothing. (thankfully)
Tell me this. 5, 10, 15 years pass with no attacks. At what point would one rationally decide "perhaps Bush did exaggerate the threat?
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I'm more than sure that someone is planning something.
It's just that it's been 6 years and nothing has happened really.
And, there are all sorts of things you can do in teh US that don;t need much of a plan that would tragic.
Eight years between the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and 9/11.
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Eight years between the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and 9/11.
It's a great point. BUT. If this is war....... I can with very little resources do quite a lot of damge right now. And I am just one person.
Why hasn't anyting happened?
Also, from 1993 to 2001 we didn't go into the same mode of defense we did from 2001 to present.
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Eight years between the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and 9/11.
Do me a favor. Stop being such a sheep and listen to the tapes between the 93 bomber and the FBI informant who delivered the bombs. Then look at the contacts between this snitch and the FBI. They knew ahead of time and supplied the explosives.
The director of the NYC FBI, on tape, describing the "terror drill" and where to park the f'king truck at the base of the towers "for the drill".
jeez, it's like you are scared to face the truth.
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Do me a favor. Stop being such a sheep and listen to the tapes between the 93 bomber and the FBI informant who delivered the bombs. Then look at the contacts between this snitch and the FBI. They knew ahead of time and supplied the explosives.
The director of the NYC FBI, on tape, describing the "terror drill" and where to park the f'king truck at the base of the towers "for the drill".
jeez, it's like you are scared to face the truth.
Do me a favor and go back to your CT web sites. You probably make much more sense when you talk to fellow crazies. Better yet, sit down and talk to "Allied Powers." ::)
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Do me a favor and go back to your CT web sites. You probably make much more sense when you talk to fellow crazies. Better yet, sit down and talk to "Allied Powers." ::)
Yawn. You disparage a topic you haven't researched. And "go back to your sites and talk to them" means you don't doubt what I say, you just don't want to know about it.
Wuss.
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Why hasn't anyting happened?
because al qaeda is a radical political group (i.e. terrorists), not an army. people forget that.
the attacks of 9/11 were chosen not due to body count, but due to backlash. for an attack of that magnitude, 3000 people dead really isn't that much. a handful of suicide bombers at the macy's day parade could have create far more chaos.
attacking the pentagon, the white house (shanksville, supposedly), and wtc were symbolic attacks. and that's the point: symbolism. terrorists do what they do to send a message, they do it to terrify. currently, the USA is showing that we're still terrified.
if a ragtag team of idiots in miami years later can get the whole country freaking out, if one attack can launch a giant-scale war that ends up swelling their numbers more than eliminating them, if one act can get the country to start giving away all of those freedoms and liberties they supposedly hate, why bother with another attack?
had we gone into afghanistan, done the job there, killed osama, then left and rolled along like nothing happened, we would have sent a far more powerful message. a message that says "you can't scare us. you attack our citizens, we eliminate you and get home before dinner."
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HERE IS WHY BUSH ISN'T REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT AN ATTACK:
We LET N. Korea build and test nukes, and fire rockets at hawaii. We leave the cali border open. Wouldn't take much for kim jung il to send ten nukes on ten boats to mexico, and see how many of them could cross the US border. My guess is ten would get through If Bush believe there was ANY threat at all to the UN on a nuclear scale, it'd very obviously be N Korea. And we are IGNORING the problem.
iran on the other hand - just started a nuke program, and only after we labeled them evil and took over both their neighbors and set up aircraft carriers on their shores and started tlaking about war with them. They let the world tour the facility, and admit what they're doing - protecting tehran from an invader. If YOU ran iran, what would you do?
bottom line - if it was a threat, then N Korea and the border would be #1 and #2 issues. Not surrounding iran whose nuke program is in the baby stages, and only exists because we showed all the signs of invasion prep.
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because al qaeda is a radical political group (i.e. terrorists), not an army. people forget that.
the attacks of 9/11 were chosen not due to body count, but due to backlash. for an attack of that magnitude, 3000 people dead really isn't that much. a handful of suicide bombers at the macy's day parade could have create far more chaos.
attacking the pentagon, the white house (shanksville, supposedly), and wtc were symbolic attacks. and that's the point: symbolism. terrorists do what they do to send a message, they do it to terrify. currently, the USA is showing that we're still terrified.
if a ragtag team of idiots in miami years later can get the whole country freaking out, if one attack can launch a giant-scale war that ends up swelling their numbers more than eliminating them, if one act can get the country to start giving away all of those freedoms and liberties they supposedly hate, why bother with another attack?
had we gone into afghanistan, done the job there, killed osama, then left and rolled along like nothing happened, we would have sent a far more powerful message. a message that says "you can't scare us. you attack our citizens, we eliminate you and get home before dinner."
If i rolled up next to an airport with a .50 cal mounted int he back of my truck and opened up on a passenger jet while it's taxing that would racially change our freedoms. Guaranteed.
There would be major security around airports, more gun control, and panic at aip ports that would affect us econmically for a whiel again.
So that's why i don;t understand why they haven't done anything.
I do agree with you very much on Afghanistan. I think it was deliberate letting Osama go.
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I think it was deliberate letting Osama go.
It absolutely was. There is a documentary that was posted a while back, which detailed the precise military movement by US forces.
We attacked on 3 sides. We bombed the south road. We left one side, and the north road, completely unguarded. (Many generals went apeshit on tv at the time for this.)
An estimated 1000 men in trucks made a caravan out of Tora Bora while our troops were ordered to stand still. planes left jalalabad for pakistan, and some left pakistan for egypt shortly thereafter. (It was also widely reported that osama died in Egypt abut 6 weeks later, not an entirely unreasonable scenario.)
You have to think here. If this man did 9/11, and we went to war just to get him, how could we fail to think to guard the north road? We had sat coverage of that area. Does anyone believe 1000 men escaped with no one seeing a thing?
And if Osama WAS allowed to escape, then you have to ask why.
And if they let him get away intentionally, you REALLY should look at the amazingly improbably feat OBL pulled off on 9/11... Is it possible the same *gremlins* that had US jets circling in the Atlantic on 9/11 instead of taking out planes, also the same *gremlins* that let Osama escape?
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Yawn. You disparage a topic you haven't researched. And "go back to your sites and talk to them" means you don't doubt what I say, you just don't want to know about it.
Wuss.
[chuckle] I bet your "research" confirmed the U.S. was involved in yet another conspiracy, this time to blow up the WTC in 1993. lol. Nut. ::)
BTW, have you spoken to Allied Powers today? lol. *insert Twilight Zone theme*
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heeyyyy guys...
i didn't have diarrhea today...
must be them peptobismal i'm NOT talking working ;)
brilliant eh.. :-\
<PS..republicans wont get this..sorry guys..i cant dumb it down anymore.. :-\ >
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[chuckle] I bet your "research" confirmed the U.S. was involved in yet another conspiracy, this time to blow up the WTC in 1993. lol. Nut. ::)
BTW, have you spoken to Allied Powers today? lol. *insert Twilight Zone theme*
drives you nuts that there are so many people here who understand how the world works, looks at the facts behind events, and above all, isn't as gullible as you are.
Funny thing is, over the coming years, as things are declassified and the truth comes out, you're going to be an old man in your recliner, pissing yourself, realizing that we were right all along.
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drives you nuts that there are so many people here who understand how the world works, looks at the facts behind events, and above all, isn't as gullible as you are.
Funny thing is, over the coming years, as things are declassified and the truth comes out, you're going to be an old man in your recliner, pissing yourself, realizing that we were right all along.
lol. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/ 240/Allied Powers is Jerry Fletcher in the movie Conspiracy Theory.
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ok, enough wasted time on your silly ass.
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I dunno. Almost six years since 9/11. "Thousands of sleeper cells" we were originally told.
mathematically, given all the trigger events which should have pissed these guys off, isn't it a *litle* weird that nothing has happened? And the several *busted* cells - they all had FBI snitches which presented the bombing plans to the hapless idiots, who agreed then were promptly arrested.
Thousands of cells, we were told. A very open society, wide open border. Yet nothing. (thankfully)
Tell me this. 5, 10, 15 years pass with no attacks. At what point would one rationally decide "perhaps Bush did exaggerate the threat?
The problem with that is, the next attack could and will most likely be MASSIVE, encompassing several cities at once. I think what terrorists have learned, if anything, is that we cannot handle a large scale crisis, a la katrina. I think if they want to take us down as a nation, hit a few cities at once. It takes more planning and time, but they are a patient bunch of loons.
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I'm starting to think the terrorist threat is not as strong as it is made out to be by the government.
Reasons:
- no major or even notable minor attack on US soil since 9/11
- We are very vulerable at ports yet nothing has happened
- Shooting down an 757 at an airport with a stinger missle would be a piece of cake and it hasn't happend
- Pulling up 2000 meters from a runway with a .50 cal can cause a big problem.....hasn't happened.
I think our counter intellengence is doing a a fine job and outside of that there is no real threat.
Also the only military threat we face is in iraq in the form of insurgents..........some thing we so brilliantly created.
Yep, i would be suprised if this whole thing is more a scare tactic for the support of defense spending.
Just my opinion. Hunch, suspicion etc...
1993, first attack on the towers
2001, towers destroyed.
Terrorists think long term when planning.
It's not if, but when the next attack will occur.
Sandra
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1993, first attack on the towers
2001, towers destroyed.
Terrorists think long term when planning.
It's not if, but when the next attack will occur.
Sandra
2 seperate incidents doesn't make a pattern.
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The problem with that is, the next attack could and will most likely be MASSIVE, encompassing several cities at once. I think what terrorists have learned, if anything, is that we cannot handle a large scale crisis, a la katrina. I think if they want to take us down as a nation, hit a few cities at once. It takes more planning and time, but they are a patient bunch of loons.
c'on do you really believe that we can't handle Katrina? That is an area that the government and alot of citizens just don't give a shit about...Take the party atmosphere away from NO and what do you have ?If Chicago or New York got leveled, the whole country would have their hands in rebuilding...