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Israeli airstrike kills a top Hamas leader
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – An Israeli warplane dropped a 2,000-pound bomb on the home of one of Hamas' top five decision-makers Thursday, instantly killing him and 18 others, while the Israeli army said troops massed on the Gaza border were ready for any order to invade.
The airstrike on Nizar Rayan was the first that succeeded in killing a member of Hamas' highest echelon since Israel began its offensive Saturday. The 49-year-old professor of Islamic law was known for personally participating in clashes with Israeli forces and for sending one of his sons on a 2001 suicide mission that killed two Israelis.
Even as it pursued its bombing campaign, Israel kept the way open for intense efforts by leaders in the Middle East and Europe to arrange a cease-fire. Israel said it would consider a halt to fighting if international monitors were brought in to track compliance with any truce.
Adding to the urgency of the diplomatic maneuvering, the Israeli military said its preparations for a possible ground assault were complete and that troops stood ready to cross the border if the air operation to stamp out Hamas rocket fire needed to be expanded.
Soldiers massed along the Gaza frontier said they were eager to join the fight, and some even cheered as they heard thunderous airstrikes in the distance.
The hit on Rayan's home obliterated the four-story apartment building and peeled off the walls of others around it, creating a field of rubble in the crowded town of Jebaliya in the northern Gaza Strip. Mounds of debris thrown up by the blast swallowed up cars.
Eighteen other people, including all four of Rayan's wives and nine of his 12 children, also were killed, Palestinian health officials said. A man cradled the burned, limp body of a child he pulled from the rubble.
The house was one of five bombed Thursday, among more than 20 targets altogether. Warplanes shredded the houses, taking off walls and roofs and leaving behind eerie, dollhouse-like views into rooms that still contained furniture.
Israel's military, which has said the homes of Hamas leaders are being used to store missiles and other weapons, said the attack on Rayan's house triggered secondary explosions from the arms stockpiled there.
Seven other Palestinians were killed in airstrikes Thursday and one died of earlier injuries.
Israel has targeted Hamas leaders many times in the past, and the current leadership went into hiding at the start of the offensive. Rayan, however, was known for openly defying Israel and in the past had led crowds to the homes of wanted Hamas figures — as if daring Israel to strike and risk the lives of civilians.
Residents said he openly went to a nearby mosque Thursday morning to pray.
In his last interview, recorded with Hamas TV on Wednesday, Rayan was as defiant as ever about confronting the Israeli military.
"Oh fighters, know that you will be victorious," he said. "God promises us either victory or martyrdom. God is greater than they are, God is greater than their planes, God is greater than their rockets."
The military said it had information that there was a tunnel beneath Rayan's home for use as an escape route.
Israel seemed determined to press ahead with airstrikes on Hamas houses. It also has been targeting buildings used by the territory's Hamas government — emptied days ago by evacuations — as well as rocket-launching sites and smuggling tunnels along the border with Egypt.
"We are trying to hit everybody who is a leader of the organization, and today we hit one of their leaders," Israeli Vice Premier Haim Ramon said in a television interview.
More than 400 Gazans had been killed and some 1,700 wounded since Israel embarked on its aerial campaign, Gaza health officials said. The United Nations has said the death toll includes more than 60 civilians, 34 of them children.
One of them, 11-year-old Ismail Hamdan, was buried Thursday after dying of wounds suffered from an airstrike Tuesday that killed two of his sisters, Haya, 4, and Lama, 12. His body was wrapped in a Palestinian flag and his battered face was still bandaged as he was carried above a crowd of mourners.
Since Saturday, three Israeli civilians and one soldier have also died in rocket attacks that have reached deeper into Israel than ever before, bringing more than a tenth of Israel's population of 7 million within rocket range.
The bombing campaign has worsened an already hard life for Gaza's mostly poor population of 1.5 million. On Thursday, hundreds of people stood in long, snaking lines across the territory waiting to buy bread.
Israel launched the offensive Saturday after more than a week of intense Palestinian rocket fire that followed the expiration of a six-month truce, which Hamas refused to extend because Israel kept up its blockade of Gaza.
So far, the campaign has been conducted largely from the air. But a military spokeswoman, Maj. Avital Leibovich, said preparations for a ground operation were complete.
"The infantry, the artillery and other forces are ready. They're around the Gaza Strip, waiting for any calls to go inside," Leibovich said.
Thousands of soldiers waited along the border, resting among tanks, armored personnel carriers and howitzers. The troops watched warplanes and attack helicopters flying into Gaza, cheering each time they heard the explosion of an airstrike.
One soldier, who can be identified under military rules only as Sgt. Yaniv, said he was eager to go in. "I am going crazy here watching all this. I want to do my part as well," he said.
Hamas promised to put up a fight if Israeli land forces invaded.
"We are waiting for you to enter Gaza to kill you or make you into Schalits," the group said, referring to Israeli Sgt. Gilad Schalit, who was captured in a cross-border raid by Hamas-affiliated militants 2 1/2 years ago and remains in captivity in Gaza.
Israel's bruising campaign has not deterred Hamas from assaulting Israel. According to the military, militants fired more than 30 rockets into southern Israel during the day.
No injuries were reported, but an eight-story apartment building in Ashdod, 23 miles from Gaza, was hit. Panicked residents ran through a debris-strewn street.
Earlier this week, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert rebuffed a French proposal for a two-day suspension of hostilities to allow for the delivery of humanitarian supplies. Israel has been allowing trucked relief supplies to enter Gaza. Ninety aid trucks crossed the border Thursday.
Still, Olmert seemed to be looking for a diplomatic way out, telling Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and other world leaders that Israel would accept a truce only if international monitors took responsibility for enforcing it, government officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the talks were confidential.
A Turkish truce proposal included a call for such monitors.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, speaking to reporters during a visit to Paris for meetings with French officials, expressed skepticism about the benefits of a cease-fire. She said Hamas used the lull during the six-month truce that expired last month to build up its arsenal of weapons.
"Our experience from the past is that even when we accept something in order to have a peaceful period of time, they abuse it in order to get stronger and to attack Israel later on," Livni said.
Egypt's foreign minister said Hamas must ensure that rocket fire stops in any truce deal, and he criticized the Palestinian militants for giving Israel an "opportunity on a golden platter" to launch the offensive.
Gaza has been under Hamas rule since the group's fighters overran it in June 2007. The West Bank has remained under the control of moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who has been negotiating peace with Israel for more than a year but has no influence over Hamas. Bringing in truce monitors would require cooperation between the fiercely antagonistic Palestinian factions.
An Abbas confidant said the Palestinian president supported the notion of international involvement. "We are asking for a cease-fire and an international presence to monitor Israel's commitment to it," Nabil Abu Rdeneh said.
World leaders have not been deterred by the initial rejections by Israel and Hamas of truce efforts, and next week French President Nicolas Sarkozy plans a whirlwind trip around the region.
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Not going to read all that shit.
But I have a solution.
Kill them all, let god sort them out.
Make the middle east the US's biggest oil field ever.
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
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Fuck israel, I bet they feel proud, bombing a man's house and most probably killing his entire family, wife, kids, etc.
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Not going to read all that shit.
But I have a solution.
Kill them all, let god sort them out.
Make the middle east the US's biggest oil field ever.
Nah, lets just kill the terrorist who always cry about having their own country, their own land and once it's offered to them, they reject it all just because their real goal is and always will be to destroy Israel.
Stop being lazy and at least read the sentences in bold.
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
what did hitler do to them?
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what did hitler do to them?
you mean the holohoax?
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
Pretty stupid.
If Israel duplicated what Hitler did to them, they would turn Gaza into a parking lot instead of going after Hamas only. Kill 6 million of those Palestinians and then we can call it even. How about that?
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Stop being lazy and at least read the sentences in bold.
Stop being serious and fuck yourself.
Kill 6 million of those Palestinians and then we can call it even. How about that?
Jew much? ::)
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Nah, lets just kill the terrorist who always cry about having their own country, their own land and once it's offered to them, they reject it all just because their real goal is and always will be to destroy Israel.
Stop being lazy and at least read the sentences in bold.
Over-simplistic drivel. Fractured, incompetent leadership who have frittered away any coherent sense of nationhood would be my point. Abba Eban noted that 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' That is pretty succinct.
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you mean the holohoax?
Yeah, it was a hoax. I mean how could it be otherwise with all the pictures, photos, and the death camps that can still be visited. Oh, and how can I overlook all the Nazi government transcripts and records of their murders. Nevermind, Germany's admission to such.
HEHEHEHEEH!!!!
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Yeah, it was a hoax. I mean how could it be otherwise with all the pictures, photos, and the death camps that can still be visited. Oh, and how can I overlook all the Nazi government transcripts and records of their murders. Nevermind, Germany's admission to such.
HEHEHEHEEH!!!!
just kidding gloria.
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Fuck israel, I bet they feel proud, bombing a man's house and most probably killing his entire family, wife, kids, etc.
Stupid comment. Hamas purposly targets innocent people. Purposly targeting innocents is one thing, collateral damage is another. Hamas is getting what they deserve.
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Stupid comment. Hamas purposly targets innocent people. Purposly targeting innocents is one thing, collateral damage is another. Hamas is getting what they deserve.
it's fvcked up all around. both sides are doing some messed up stuff.
If mexico was firing 100 rockets a day into florida, then their leaders were hiding behind dozens of children thinking we wouldn't hit them... i mean, that's a rough spot to be in.
Do you let them keep operating like that, because they have human shields? It's their own fault for doing this. Very tragic scene, no denying that. But it's their own fault for being high profile targets and hiding out with kids.
Is their share of the country shrinking? Sure. That's their problem, and its between them and israel. This is real life, and the stronger will wins. It's between them.
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I wonder if u.s. assisted in helping with intel
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4 of his wives were killed
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Stupid comment. Hamas purposly targets innocent people. Purposly targeting innocents is one thing, collateral damage is another. Hamas is getting what they deserve.
I agree. And here's where the moral relativism comes into play. They're using weapons that are children's toys compared to the awesome retribution that Israel will retaliate with - Israel takes it's retrubution straight out of the Old Testament and it takes it very seriously. It's a sad situation for the Palestinians, but when you are a besieged people, with fewer and fewer rights everyday and less land in the foreseeable future, what are you going to do about it? Sit back and take it, or fight, somehow? Just human nature at work here, folks.
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It's hard to fight with stones when the others use Bombs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-\
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pic of the bombing
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It's hard to fight with stones when the others use Bombs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-\
a 2,000 lb bomb is slightly disproportionate no? considering Hamas is the elected legal authority for the palestinian people. even a 2,000 lb bomb will not make hamas surrender.
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Somebody needs to stop the jews - I ll call Superman
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Somebody needs to stop the jews - I ll call Superman
LOL. Irony alert. Character was created by Jews. Wanna use another lifeline?
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lets go hamas, lets go !!!!
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Stupid comment. Hamas purposly targets innocent people. Purposly targeting innocents is one thing, collateral damage is another. Hamas is getting what they deserve.
Stupid comment.
If you kill 40 civilians just to get 1 terrorist collateral damage is criminal and unacceptable .
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Stupid comment.
If you kill 40 civilians just to get 1 terrorist collateral damage is criminal and unacceptable .
Launching 6,000 rockets and mortars at civilians over the course of a year is generally viewed as criminal and unacceptable.
Not going to read all that shit.
But I have a solution.
Kill them all, let god sort them out.
Make the middle east the US's biggest oil field ever.
This is the ideal solution. Let these retards bomb each other into oblivion.
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Launching 6,000 rockets and mortars at civilians over the course of a year is generally viewed as criminal and unacceptable.
Of course it is ,
That's my point ,Israel is doing the same thing as Hamas on a bigger scale .
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Stupid comment.
If you kill 40 civilians just to get 1 terrorist collateral damage is criminal and unacceptable .
The Roach is your typical superficial christian
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i wish newspapers would just title every story about israel like this
"Israel-ummmmm, you know the rest"
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THAT IS TRUE.. HAMAS HAS LAUNCHED 6000 ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL AND THEY (ISRAEL) ARE EXPECTED TO JUST TAKE IT IT?? NO ONE CAN FEEL SORRY FOR HAMAS.. they intentionally use innocent civilians to cover them and hide their weapons.. they started this fight.. they launched rockets unprovocked into israel.. israel has had to tolerate suicide bombers for decades blowing up shops and killing children all in the name of GOD.. if this were the usa and it were mexico doing this to us we would have turned mexico into a parking lot by now.. but, we tell israel to hold back.. well, israel is looking like they are fed up with it and are going to take it over.. hamas started a war (again) with someone they cant beat knowingthat the international community would step in and stop it before israel could attack in full.. like always.. this time they may have bitten off more than they can chew..
plus the idiot who was killed sent his own son to be killed on a suicide mission to kill innocent israelis.. he knew he was targeted.. he used to send civilians to the places of weapon stockpiles daring the israelis to bomb it.. using kids as shields.. coward.. he also knew he was targeted by them as well. so he puts his kids and wives in harms way.. ::) the other arab countries know the drill and are not exactly trying to stop israel this time..
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Not going to read all that shit.
But I have a solution.
Kill them all, let god sort them out.
Make the middle east the US's biggest oil field ever.
Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius! :)
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All those stupid mother fuckers have been fighting since the beginning of recorded time. The US needs to step in and bomb the fuck out of them. They're going to kill all the innocent anyway. Might as well wipe the rest of those fuckers off the map. :-\
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All those stupid mother fuckers have been fighting since the beginning of recorded time. The US needs to step in and bomb the fuck out of them. They're going to kill all the innocent anyway. Might as well wipe the rest of those fuckers off the map. :-\
People would repopulate the land and start fighting all over again.
Many say this is a direct result of result of Abraham disobeying God and listening to Sarah. She also convinced him to send them (Hagar and Ismael) away to rob the firstborn's birthright.
"Never let pussy lead you astray" is all we can really learn from this situation. :)
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People would repopulate the land and start fighting all over again.
Many say this is a direct result of result of Abraham disobeying God and listening to Sarah. She also convinced him to send them (Hagar and Ismael) away to rob the firstborn's birthright.
"Never let pussy lead you astray" is all we can really learn from this situation. :)
wrong, this is all about bribery and payoffs
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
EXACTLY
zionism is to jews what nazism was to germans
the nation of israel, in every possible way, is the jewish equivalent of the nazi state.
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THAT IS TRUE.. HAMAS HAS LAUNCHED 6000 ROCKETS INTO ISRAEL land recently stolen from palestinians and now labeled 'israel' in american news reportsAND THEY (ISRAEL) ARE EXPECTED TO JUST TAKE IT IT?? NO ONE CAN FEEL SORRY FOR HAMAS.. they intentionally use innocent civilians to cover them and hide their weapons.. they started this fight.. they launched rockets unprovocked(your kidding right?) into israel.. israel has had to tolerate suicide bombers for decades blowing up shops and killing children all in the name of GOD.. if this were the usa and it were mexico doing this to us we would have turned mexico into a parking lot by now.. but, we tell israel to hold back.. well, israel is looking like they are fed up with it and are going to take it over.. hamas started a war (again) with someone they cant beat knowingthat the international community would step in and stop it before israel could attack in full.. like always.. this time they may have bitten off more than they can chew..
plus the idiot who was killed sent his own son to be killed on a suicide mission to kill innocent israelis.. he knew he was targeted.. he used to send civilians to the places of weapon stockpiles daring the israelis to bomb it.. using kids as shields.. coward.. he also knew he was targeted by them as well. so he puts his kids and wives in harms way.. ::) the other arab countries know the drill and are not exactly trying to stop israel this time..
i think your yalmulka is on too tight ;D
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SORRY BRO.. IT WOULD BE MY KILT THAT IS ON TOO TIGHT.. IM IRISH ;D
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Caedite eos! Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius! :)
Roughly translated doc, I think you agree with me. 8)
Iuguolo spurcus jews quod universitas arab tellus
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SORRY BRO.. IT WOULD BE MY KILT THAT IS ON TOO TIGHT.. IM IRISH ;D
Irish Jew perhaps?
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LOL.. NO JEW IN THIS GUY... just irish.. for better or worse.. ;D
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I wonder if u.s. assisted in helping with intel
they assisted em in giving em all the stuff needed to spy the islamists.
UAVS planes and bombs.
kill all muslims.
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i would so beat that man and urniate on him, if he walked down my street with that sign shouting some jibberish.
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
Well then they should do it right... set up camps, get these muslim on the trains, and fire up the gas chambers. That would end this crap once and for all.
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i would so beat that man and urniate on him, if he walked down my street with that sign shouting some jibberish.
hun STFU it's called free speech
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hun STFU it's called free speech
i know... and i'd deal with the assault charge... but have you seen that pic where the guy has the sign saying 'europe, your 911 is next?'
Signs like that are just unacceptable. I'd take the sign from the guy and if he had a problem, i'd fight him. I'd take the assault charge. But I wouldn't let someone disrespect my nation like that. yes, he has free speech. But to threaten my country, I'll take the charge.
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hun STFU it's called free speech
It's attitudes like yours that have allowed these idiots to fuck up Europe. They'll do it to the US too, unless we follow 240's lead rather than yours.
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Well then they should do it right... set up camps, get these muslim on the trains, and fire up the gas chambers. That would end this crap once and for all.
That would be more honest than pretending the conflict will end before Israel has all the land, LOL!
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muslims are always cool until you meet one.
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It's attitudes like yours that have allowed these idiots to fuck up Europe. They'll do it to the US too, unless we follow 240's lead rather than yours.
We live in a country where free speech is accepted - but we also live in a place where you get a slap on the wrist for crime. With no criminal background, I could split the guy's face and wouldn't spend more than a night in jail. he could sue me civilly, good luck with that. And if I got in front of a jury, I have a feeling it'd be a nice case of self-defnse once exhibit A was his sign.
You have free speech, but to threaten with a sign and disrespect like that, yeah, id' break the last on that one.
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It's attitudes like yours that have allowed these idiots to fuck up Europe. They'll do it to the US too, unless we follow 240's lead rather than yours.
i refuse to buy into fear and threats dick cheney
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That would be more honest than pretending the conflict will end before Israel has all the land, LOL!
Seriously, enough is enough... Israel should just systematically kill them all and be done with it. It's the only way this is ever gonna end.
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Seriously, enough is enough... Israel should just systematically kill them all and be done with it. It's the only way this is ever gonna end.
Even your wife ???
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i refuse to buy into fear and threats dick cheney
Go to France or Germany and take a good look around, jimmy carter.
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Even your wife ???
you mean george?
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Go to France or Germany and take a good look around, jimmy carter.
hun i own two small apartment biuldings in germany so thanks for the tip ::)
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We live in a country where free speech is accepted - but we also live in a place where you get a slap on the wrist for crime. With no criminal background, I could split the guy's face and wouldn't spend more than a night in jail. he could sue me civilly, good luck with that. And if I got in front of a jury, I have a feeling it'd be a nice case of self-defnse once exhibit A was his sign.
You have free speech, but to threaten with a sign and disrespect like that, yeah, id' break the last on that one.
That guy would probably bitch slap the taste out of your mouth, LOL!
You'd end up arrested for menacing with your Glock or trying to claim self defense. :)
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Over-simplistic drivel. Fractured, incompetent leadership who have frittered away any coherent sense of nationhood would be my point. Abba Eban noted that 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' That is pretty succinct.
Palestinians = pw3d!
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Even your wife ???
She's neither Palestinian nor muslim, and hates muslims more than I do. ::)
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She's neither Palestinian nor muslim, and hates muslims more than I do. ::)
Your wife is a muslim whore.
Her name is Tracy. Tracy, the muslim whore.
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Fuck 'em all, we should go over there and make that East USA and kick all them cocksuckers to the gas chambers.
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That guy would probably bitch slap the taste out of your mouth, LOL!
You'd end up arrested for menacing with your Glock or trying to claim self defense. :)
nah, i'd leave the glock in the house.
I'm 198 pounds of bulk. maybe he'd slap me, so be it. win or lose, it wouldn't happen again on my street. He wouldn't be back the next day with friends and more signs.
You live in america, right? Wouldn't a person making threats against your country, on your street, piss you off? Freedom of speech is on thing. Those signs are terrorism - designed to put fear into people.
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nah, i'd leave the glock in the house.
I'm 198 pounds of bulk. maybe he'd slap me, so be it. win or lose, it wouldn't happen again on my street. He wouldn't be back the next day with friends and more signs.
You live in america, right? Wouldn't a person making threats against your country, on your street, piss you off? Freedom of speech is on thing. Those signs are terrorism - designed to put fear into people.
That wouldn't happen in my neighborhood, no muslims allowed. :)
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. Those signs are terrorism - designed to put fear into people.
Americans constantly say that they dominate the world . Do you consider that terrorism also ???
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We live in a country where free speech is accepted - but we also live in a place where you get a slap on the wrist for crime. With no criminal background, I could split the guy's face and wouldn't spend more than a night in jail. he could sue me civilly, good luck with that. And if I got in front of a jury, I have a feeling it'd be a nice case of self-defnse once exhibit A was his sign.
You have free speech, but to threaten with a sign and disrespect like that, yeah, id' break the last on that one.
Relax. The durkas here work and within a generation marry their wives to fags like Goatboy and go to top schools while you make $300 websites. ;D
Seriously, you are right. We can't tolerate bullshit like that under the guise of "free speech". These people aren't necessarily expressing anything of contribution, and in general aren't even representing a certain demographic, unless you count terrorists. We need a hardliner stance on these fuckers. If you enjoy the benefits and the perks this nation has to offer but don't want to adopt the customs then get the fuck outta here.
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That wouldn't happen in my neighborhood, no muslims allowed. :)
How did you manage to get into paradise?
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Americans constantly say that they dominate the world . Do you consider that terrorism also ???
who says this?
we have the biggest military, but we don't dominate economically anymore.
If I stood on some egyptian's street with a sign telling him we're coming to get him, yeah, that's terrorism, sure
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i dont care what ppl believe. But standing on my street with a sign like that is an invitation to fight. I wouldn't go to iraq and stand on a corner wearing a us flag and holding up a sign that says something like that, and expect to live past lunchtime lol...
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In addition to hard stances we need the a change in foreign policy so as to not add anymore fuel to the fire. The Iraq war is probably responsible for breeding a million or more terrorists :-\ Now they've got a valid reason and righteous anger. No sensible, intelligent person can deny this.
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In addition to hard stances we need the a change in foreign policy so as to not add anymore fuel to the fire. The Iraq war is probably responsible for breeding a million or more terrorists :-\ Now they've got a valid reason and righteous anger. No sensible, intelligent person can deny this.
Experts believe that there = a 20% chance of a terrorist WMD attack on a major US city within 10 years.
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How did you manage to get into paradise?
Lots of "older" neighbors, nice quiet neighborhood, with a few young white families.
I have one tweaker neighbor, her mother owns the house, so I'm stuck with her for now. She trims the grass with scissors. ;D
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i dont care what ppl believe. But standing on my street with a sign like that is an invitation to fight. I wouldn't go to iraq and stand on a corner wearing a us flag and holding up a sign that says something like that, and expect to live past lunchtime lol...
Do you remember in the beginning of the war , when the American soldiers took the Iraqi flag down and raised the American flag.
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"Experts"? Well, of course there could be an attack any fucking second. You don't need to be an expert. Keep in mind that most of these experts know hardly anything about these people or groups.
A smart thing to do would to limit or cut off immigration from select countries. Sure it put a stop to some cheap labor and other things, but you gotta do what's right. Can't tell me letting in people from countries like pakistan and yemen or whatever = safe.
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Do you remember in the beginning of the war , when the American soldiers took the Iraqi flag down and raised the American flag.
i remember a lot of americans being lied to about why we were there.
we were told there were WMD about to kill us. we got lied to. we voted the guy out, but what else can we do?
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Honestly, Bush should have been voted out in 2004 :-\
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"Experts"? Well, of course there could be an attack any fucking second. You don't need to be an expert. Keep in mind that most of these experts know hardly anything about these people or groups.
A smart thing to do would to limit or cut off immigration from select countries. Sure it put a stop to some cheap labor and other things, but you gotta do what's right. Can't tell me letting in people from countries like pakistan and yemen or whatever = safe.
The smartest would be to cut off immigration from ALL other countries. We have too many illegals here now.
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The smartest would be to cut off immigration from ALL other countries. We have too many illegals here now.
That would cause a lot of inflation and hurt economic growth.
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Simple solution: Cut immigration of muslims and blacks. Only take in orientals that = non muslims.
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That would cause a lot of inflation and hurt economic growth.
Bullshit. Terrible excuse. Any "inflation" from having to pay legal workers more would be offset by the savings in medical/welfare/insurance/housing/prison that is put out every year by legal citizens of this country.
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Bullshit. Terrible excuse. Any "inflation" from having to pay legal workers more would be offset by the savings in medical/welfare/insurance/housing/prison that is put out every year by legal citizens of this country.
Nope.. Lol Prices would rise and we wouldn't grow as much. You can't get medicaid, welfare if you're an illegal immigrant. And besides Hispanics, most legal immigrants aren't the big abusers of government funds, no 1 are black americans, followed by whites and hispanics.
Employers would be paying more for that stuff. Disaster.
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Nope.. Lol Prices would rise and we wouldn't grow as much. You can't get medicaid, welfare if you're an illegal immigrant. And besides Hispanics, most legal immigrants aren't the big abusers of government funds, no 1 are black americans, followed by whites and hispanics.
Employers would be paying more for that stuff. Disaster.
I see the government has you convinced, right along with alot of other people, that we need these illegals or it would be an economic disaster.
hahahahahahha I thought you were smarter than that.
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Nope.. Lol Prices would rise and we wouldn't grow as much. You can't get medicaid, welfare if you're an illegal immigrant. And besides Hispanics, most legal immigrants aren't the big abusers of government funds, no 1 are black americans, followed by whites and hispanics.
Employers would be paying more for that stuff. Disaster.
What do you think will happen in 10 - 20 years, when robots starts taking over many of the jobs that loser with no education do today? :D
2020: 50% of todays jobs (primarily low wage) = gone, taken over by machines.
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I see the government has you convinced, right along with alot of other people, that we need these illegals or it would be an economic disaster.
hahahahahahha I thought you were smarter than that.
We don't need illegals but a steady flow of legal immigrants to keep prices down and production up. I never said anything about illegal immigrants.
Fuck illegals.
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We don't need illegals but a steady flow of legal immigrants to keep prices down and production up. I never said anything about illegal immigrants.
Fuck illegals.
It's the illegals that are draining our economy. Gotta stop the flow of all immigrants until we get control of the ones that are already here.
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nazis killed the jews did horrible things and now jews are doing the same thing. They are not even a single hair better
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
israel=germany in 1939.
jews are nazis.
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maybe jews don't like the palestinians?
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It's a sad situation for the Palestinians, but when you are a besieged people, with fewer and fewer rights everyday and less land in the foreseeable future, what are you going to do about it? Sit back and take it, or fight, somehow? Just human nature at work here, folks.
exactly, the jews would probably act the same as palestinians. remember they also planted explosives in synagogues and buses to blame it on the arabs, zionist terrorist groups were very active those days in order to enforce the settlement of an israeli state. as were once said, Israel is the only democratic state where terrorists could become minister or president.
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Over-simplistic drivel. Fractured, incompetent leadership who have frittered away any coherent sense of nationhood would be my point. Abba Eban noted that 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' That is pretty succinct.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
you seem to keep up with the east. how did israel pull off this type of land grab?
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Did you know?
In 1895, a Zionist Congress was held to promote a Jew nation were all Jews could live under their own laws and customs. Places to set up this Wonderland were discussed. Uganda and a part of Argentina (and possibly even Madagascar) were considered before Israel was chosen.
Can you consider that they brought this on themselves?
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as were once said, Israel is the only democratic state where terrorists could become minister or president.
What about southern Africa.....??? ???
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
you seem to keep up with the east. how did israel pull off this type of land grab?
the british told palestine they could have some land after one of the wars, israel has always used force and this stupid 'holy land' card to take it slowly back
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They are doing now what hitler did to them!
Bullshit..... Hamas has picked this fight for years now and Israel just sat and took it... It's about time Israel gets the shit done once and for all. Israel needs to pound Hamas until they leave Gaza or there is no one left standing that wants to do harm to Israel.
Let's hope Obama does what he says he will do and back Israel like he said in his speech while visiting.
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exactly, the jews would probably act the same as palestinians. remember they also planted explosives in synagogues and buses to blame it on the arabs, zionist terrorist groups were very active those days in order to enforce the settlement of an israeli state. as were once said, Israel is the only democratic state where terrorists could become minister or president.
Are you forgetting IRAQ and the leader they had for over 30 years? Israeli's are not the problem, Muslims are the problem when it comes to getting along with other groups of people. I know not all Muslims are bad, just like not all Americans are bad, but there comes a time when enough is enough and now is the time for Israel to finish this Gaza strip debacle. You really don't see any other Muslim country running to Hamas's aid, just a lot of harassing talk from Iran. Iran knows better, because they know they are next on the list for Israel to take care of. After January 20th, Obama better have a plan or he is going to be considered a Lame Duck.
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Relax. The durkas here work and within a generation marry their wives to fags like Goatboy and go to top schools while you make $300 websites. ;D
Seriously, you are right. We can't tolerate bullshit like that under the guise of "free speech". These people aren't necessarily expressing anything of contribution, and in general aren't even representing a certain demographic, unless you count terrorists. We need a hardliner stance on these fuckers. If you enjoy the benefits and the perks this nation has to offer but don't want to adopt the customs then get the fuck outta here.
the united states constitution protects its people from the tyranny of the majority. sorry, that's in the constitution. want to amend it? there's a procedure.
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Are you forgetting IRAQ and the leader they had for over 30 years? Israeli's are not the problem, Muslims are the problem when it comes to getting along with other groups of people. I know not all Muslims are bad, just like not all Americans are bad, but there comes a time when enough is enough and now is the time for Israel to finish this Gaza strip debacle. You really don't see any other Muslim country running to Hamas's aid, just a lot of harassing talk from Iran. Iran knows better, because they know they are next on the list for Israel to take care of. After January 20th, Obama better have a plan or he is going to be considered a Lame Duck.
The US put Saddam in power.
Gas chambers would be more humane than how the Palestinians are being treated now.
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The US put Saddam in power.
Gas chambers would be more humane than how the Palestinians are being treated now.
Lets see if you say that after you are on a bus blown up by a Hamas suicide bomber... I think you would be thinking differently.
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Stop being serious and fuck yourself.
Jew much? ::)
HEHEHEH!!
Another internet tough guy.
Meltdown much?
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Over-simplistic drivel. Fractured, incompetent leadership who have frittered away any coherent sense of nationhood would be my point. Abba Eban noted that 'the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.' That is pretty succinct.
Bullshit. Then why did the Palestinian people vote Hamas into power?
Those people are bred to hate Israel. Their elementary school books don't even show Israel in their Middle East maps. They did a poll 2 years ago where over 80% of Palestinians were for the destruction and annihilation of Israel.
You are pretty naive if you thinks it's only because of a "fractured, incompetent leadership".
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just kidding gloria.
Ok, puta.
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Lets see if you say that after you are on a bus blown up by a Hamas suicide bomber... I think you would be thinking differently.
Hamas exists because of the land grab. The displaced Palestinians ruined the surrounding areas.
If Jerusalem were in Russia, we'd be doing the same thing. So don't bother trying to bullshit people.
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offcourse these organisations are also filled with scum of the earth who wants jews dead simply because they are jews, they can be targeted any time imo.
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I wonder if u.s. assisted in helping with intel
I really hope so. Although I don't think so since at the beginning of war on Afghanistan and Iraq, the US was asking Israel for intel regarding Hamas. Hamas has cells in Iraq that have been responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American soldiers.
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It's hard to fight with stones when the others use Bombs.Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :-\
Good always has the advantage over evil.
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Good always has the advantage over evil.
Idiotic thinking like that is exactly why the problem will remain intractable. :-\
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719)
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Of course it is ,
That's my point ,Israel is doing the same thing as Hamas on a bigger scale .
Doing the same thing?
If Israel did the same thing there wouldn't be a single Palestinian alive. They show great restraint in targeting Hamas. I don't see any restraint from the Palestinians indiscriminately shooting over 6,000 rockets. Palestinians just launch them without aiming at any particular target and hope for the best.
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Doing the same thing?
If Israel did the same thing there wouldn't be a single Palestinian alive. They show great restraint in targeting Hamas. I don't see any restraint from the Palestinians indiscriminately shooting over 6,000 rockets. Palestinians just launch them without aiming at any particular target and hope for the best.
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How many Israelis die and how many palestinians die in 2008 ?
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How many Israelis die and how many palestinians die in 2008 ?
Israelis= too many
Hamas= not enough...
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Israelis= too many
Hamas= not enough...
19 civilian fatalities from rocket strikes since 2002 when militants in Gaza first began firing missiles at Israeli towns. compare that to 300 hundred in 1 day including children.
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:)
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Israelis= too many
Hamas= not enough...
;D
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hun STFU it's called free speech
Except that in their countries free speech doesn't exist.
How about you go to any of their countries and walk down the street holding a sign that says in their language, "Christianity will rule the world". How long do you think you will last before they turn you into a bonfire?
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Except that in their countries free speech doesn't exist.
How about you go to any of their countries and walk down the street holding a sign that says in their language, "Christianity will rule the world". How long do you think you will last before they turn you into a bonfire?
Are you an Argentine jew ?
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19 civilian fatalities from rocket strikes since 2002 when militants in Gaza first began firing missiles at Israeli towns. compare that to 300 hundred in 1 day including children.
You notice I said HAMAS,, not Palestinians... When Hamas hides in houses occupied by civilians then unfortunately they are harmed. Not intentionally, but Hamas is doing the bidding, not Israeli's...
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Bullshit. Then why did the Palestinian people vote Hamas into power?
Those people are bred to hate Israel. Their elementary school books don't even show Israel in their Middle East maps. They did a poll 2 years ago where over 80% of Palestinians were for the destruction and annihilation of Israel.
You are pretty naive if you thinks it's only because of a "fractured, incompetent leadership".
Oh brother. Your Israeli apologetics/polemicism have come home to roost. The Israeli's have systematically Balkanized, forcibly extradited or taken away the rights of a people within their territory. The fact that the Israelis blithely do not 'see' any similarities to what they are doing and what the Nazis did to them in Europe bespeaks to the delusionality of our human nature. Remember when Israeli scholarship was heavily bent on finding a biological determined component for Nazi atrocities? No, you probably don't, as they have toned this aspect of scholarship in light of increased land grabs and forced Palestinian ID card carrying. Don't fret tho, dario, Israeli archaeology still remains a main vector to assert de facto Holy Land ownership. ChosenPeople, my ass! Just as shitty, and full as hypocrisy as the rest of us. ::)
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Oh brother. Your Israeli apologetics/polemicism have come home to roost. The Israeli's have systematically Balkanized, forcibly extradited or taken away the rights of a people within their territory. The fact that the Israelis blithely do not 'see' any similarities to what they are doing and what the Nazis did to them in Europe bespeaks to the delusionality of our human nature. Remember when Israeli scholarship was heavily bent on finding a biological determined component for Nazi atrocities? No, you probably don't, as they have toned this aspect of scholarship in light of increased land grabs and forced Palestinian ID card carrying. Don't fret tho, dario, Israeli archaeology still remains a main vector to assert de facto Holy Land ownership. ChosenPeople, my ass! Just as shitty, and full as hypocrisy as the rest of us. ::)
Dr.Ape, are you heavily emotionally invested into this? The passion seems to be bubbling strongly under your reserved and calm internet persona.
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That would be more honest than pretending the conflict will end before Israel has all the land, LOL!
What didn't you understand about the Camp David Summit between Clinton, Arafat and Barak? Israel offered the following:
Barak offered to form a Palestinian State initially on 73% of the West Bank (that is 27% less than the Green Line borders) and 100% of the Gaza Strip. In 10 to 25 years the West Bank area would expand to 90-91% (94% excluding greater Jerusalem). As a result, "Israel would have withdrawn from 63 settlements." The West Bank would be separated by a road from Jerusalem to the Dead Sea, with free passage for Palestinians although Israel reserved the right to close the road for passage in case of emergency. The Palestinian position was that the annexations would block existing road networks between major Palestinian populations. In return, the Israelis would cede 1% of their territory in the Negev Desert to Palestine. The Palestinians rejected this proposal.
Why did the Palestinians reject? Because they wanted the Temple Mount and they wanted 4 million Palestinians to return to Israel and reclaim the land that they willingly left back in 1967 or be compensated for it. Most of those Palestinians were kicked out by Egypt and Jordan. Why does Israel have to let them return to Israel and Egypt and Jordan are not required to do the same thing? Letting 4 million Palestinians return to Israel would mean the end of Israel as a nation. They would automatically make up over 1/3 of the population. That is a lot of political power for a group of people seeking to destroy Israel.
I guess you must have missed it back in 2005 when Israel gave up the Gaza strip and they are still being atacked.
If Palestinians want their own state, then why didn't they take it in 2000? Because to them their state is all the land that Israel has had since 1948.
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Dr.Ape, are you heavily emotionally invested into this? The passion seems to be bubbling strongly under your reserved and calm internet persona.
In other words, the ass monkey busted an artery since he was proven wrong.
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I guess you must have missed it back in 2005 when Israel gave up the Gaza strip and they are still being atacked.
If Palestinians want their own state, then why didn't they take it in 2000? Because to them their state is all the land that Israel has had since 1948.
*sigh* I guess you missed my comment about the fractured, incompetent leadership, and my citing Abba Eben. No, wait, my mistake, you quoted me on that. Look, it's obvious you're not willing to look at this in a fair and balanced manner. What's the point in arguing with a bigot? I might as well be arguing with Sharma, your Arab apologist opposite-number. Maybe you two should get together and hammer out a deal. ::)
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I admire Israel. I admire how they protect their people come what may. I am honestly hoping that they wipe up the vermin in that whole region. Israel rocks. Only country with the guts and will to take on these stinky camelshits
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Americans constantly say that they dominate the world . Do you consider that terrorism also ???
Ok?
So Americans go around the world beheading everyone they see in order to dominate the world with Christianity? Do we also shoot them in their head for speaking out? That "journalist" that threw his shoes at Bush, was he hanged? Dipped into a vat of acid? Had his hands cut off?
Ok, then.
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Saddam Hussein would have made the valiant shoe throwing journalist head of one of his newspapers.
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Saddam Hussein would have made the valiant shoe throwing journalist head of one of his newspapers.
If that guy threw a shoe at Saddam he would've been tortured to death within the day.
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If that guy threw a shoe at Saddam he would've been tortured to death within the day.
Saddam always had 99% of the votes, his people loved him. they would have thrown white flowers at the ground near him.
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Saddam always had 99% of the votes, his people loved him.
Not hard to report 99% of the votes when you control every aspect of a country. :D
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Not hard to report 99% of the votes when you control every aspect of a country. :D
The other 1% who were stupid enough to protest are dead.
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Saddam always had 99% of the votes, his people loved him. they would have thrown white flowers at the ground near him.
;D
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Saddam always had 99% of the votes, his people loved him. they would have thrown white flowers at the ground near him.
Obvious voter fraud! Saddam has never polled less than 125% >:(
/second only to korea's dear leader, whose support this year inexplicably fell to 175%
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Obvious voter fraud! Saddam has never polled less than 125% >:(
/second only to korea's dear leader, whose support this year inexplicably fell to 175%
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Obvious voter fraud! Saddam has never polled less than 125% >:(
/second only to korea's dear leader, whose support this year inexplicably fell to 175%
Saddam believed in transparancy ;D
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Saddam believed in transparancy ;D
He also was a fan of the woodchipper.
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He also was a fan of the woodchipper.
And his soccer team.
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Obvious voter fraud! Saddam has never polled less than 125% >:(
/second only to korea's dear leader, whose support this year inexplicably fell to 175%
Rejoice, the North Koreans want you to know that young Kim took in a tour of his country's industries recently and is, in-fact, not on the verge of death. Peace be upon him!
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*sigh* I guess you missed my comment about the fractured, incompetent leadership, and my citing Abba Eben. No, wait, my mistake, you quoted me on that. Look, it's obvious you're not willing to look at this in a fair and balanced manner. What's the point in arguing with a bigot? I might as well be arguing with Sharma, your Arab apologist opposite-number. Maybe you two should get together and hammer out a deal. ::)
Yes.
And the Palestinian people were really broken up about Arafat not taking the deal. So broken up that they voted Hamas into power.
Listen. Don't try to act like incompetent leadership is the only one at fault here. Arafat didn't accept because he knows damn well that most of the Palestinian people want Israel to disappear. It is part of their culture. Hate towards the Israelites is impressed upon them from very early on in their life.
Now remember that poll I told you about.
87% of Palestinians aprove terrorists attacks on Israel:
Ziegelman lamented that 87 percent supported murder of Israelis, but insisted that nevertheless "the evidence is fairly clear: For most Palestinians, armed confrontation is viewed as a short-term tactic leading to an end to the occupation and eventually, to two states, not one." Ignored by Ziegelman were results from the same poll suggesting just the opposite: 72 percent of Palestinians rejected compromise on the refugee issue and 55 percent rejected an agreement to end to the conflict that would bar any further claims. Even after the implementation of a permanent peace agreement, 88 percent would reject adopting a school curriculum that recognizes Israel and teaches children not to demand all of historical Palestine, while 54 percent rejected outlawing incitement against Israel. The two most popular Palestinian leaders were identified as Yasir Arafat and Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin.
I guess when you don't have a valid arguement, you resort to labeling people as bigots. Move along now. Your "logic" is pretty weak.
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Nearly 90% of Palestinian youth
deny Israel's right to exist
A recent poll of Palestinians shows a direct correlation between the PA curriculum and Palestinian youth's opinions. PMW's newest report on Palestinian Authority schoolbooks warns that because of the PA curriculum, which repeatedly and utterly rejects Israel's right to exist, "The well-meaning (Palestinian) student is left with no logical justification or religious option to accept Israel as a neighbor ..."
[See full Executive Summary below and Chapters 1-4 of report.]
At a Washington news conference to release the new report, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton likewise concluded that these PA schoolbooks are "...deeply disturbing, particularly for the denial of Israel's existence..."
The results that PMW and Sen. Clinton have warned about can be seen in a new poll released by Near East Consulting, a Palestinian research institute, which asked Palestinians, "Does Israel have the right to exist?"
Among young people ages 18 -25, those who have been most influenced by PA education, an overwhelming number - between 84% - 93% -- denied Israel's right to exist. [http://www.neareastconsulting.com/] This was higher than the overall figure of 75% who denied Israel's right to exist. It should be noted that PA teachings denying Israel's right to exist are endemic throughout PA society and media, including among Fatah leaders, which would account for the high levels of denial of Israel's legitimacy throughout PA society.
http://www.pmw.org.il/Bulletins_Feb2007.htm
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Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo Kim Jong Il is the great brilliant commander of Songun, the invincible strategist twenty-eight thousand times victorious against the criminal US imperialist, the reactionary Japanese militarists, and the US-puppet south Korean dictatorship. Under the flawless Songun-based leadership of Dear Leader Comrade Generalissimo Kim Jong Il the brilliant statesman, political genius, prodigious humanist, and invincible military commander, the Korean people vow eternal undying loyalty of single-minded unity to the leader, pledging to hurl their lives at the outsider aggressors in defence of the leader who is more precious than their own lives.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
This map would be relevant if Palestine had been an independent state. It's own nation at one point. But it never was. And after the Ottoman Empire was defeated, Britain had control and then in 1948, Israel became a nation.
There was NEVER an independent Palestinian state. So how did the Jews steal this land again?
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Idiotic thinking like that is exactly why the problem will remain intractable. :-\
;D ;D ;D ;D
Careful. If you can't understand, just ask me. I am always willing to help retards.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=255225.0;attach=296473;image)
This map would be relevant if Palestine had been an independent state. It's own nation at one point. But it never was. And after the Ottoman Empire was defeated, Britain had control and then in 1948, Israel became a nation.
There was NEVER an independent Palestinian state. So how did the Jews steal this land again?
Listen to this man, he knows what he says.
I definitely agree with your posts in this last page!
Dr.Chimps is just some bitter so called scholar who just try to sound smart and can't make a point, like most other retards around here who know shit about this conflict.
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Careful. If you can't understand, just ask me. I am always willing to help retards.
Typical Argentine Jew retard
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Typical Argentine Jew retard
Typical racist coward gimmick account.
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Typical Argentine Jew retard
No soy Argentino. Pero si lo fuera que tiene que ver eso? Sigue tratando y quizas conoceras mi grupo etnico. Yo no soy Judio. Pero ahora yo veo que tu eres un imbecil. ;D ;D
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Sweeet! ;D
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Cranking up the gas chambers is the final solution to their problem with the Palestinians. :)
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Cranking up the gas chambers is the final solution to their problem with the Palestinians. :)
Seriously.... that's the only way this is EVER going to end. The Palestinians have proven time and time again a settlement with peace is impossible. The Israeli army just needs to roll into Gaza and start killing until there's no one left. It's the only way Israel will ever see peace.
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Listen to this man, he knows what he says.
I definitely agree with your posts in this last page!
Dr.Chimps is just some bitter so called scholar who just try to sound smart and can't make a point, like most other retards around here who know shit about this conflict.
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Israel has God on her side. Roast the Muslims
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Scene after IDF attack in Gaza 1/1/09
Warning: Graphic!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719&p=1
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Scene after IDF attack in Gaza 1/1/09
Warning: Graphic!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719&p=1
LOL. I love how you can see the mortar tube in the truck. Way to go retards. Showing exactly why they got bombed there.
I've got a question. Why don't the Hamas leaders let the Palestinian children hide in the same bunkers they're hiding in? Shame that these children are caught up in this bullshit. These Hamas guys know their targets yet they keep letting children run alongside them. Disgusting disregard for human life.
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Scene after IDF attack in Gaza 1/1/09
Warning: Graphic!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719&p=1
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