Author Topic: Cutting plan/cycle (Read 4155 times)

jb14972 · « **on:** June 26, 2016, 11:41:09 PM »

so i got diagnosed with Athletes heart earlier this year and have been really in and out of the gym. some strength training but really inconsistent. i was 370 when the the doc and i thought something was wrong so i dieted pretty hard for about 2 months and done 20-30min of Hiit 5-6 times a week. i lost 50lbs in 2 months and managed to hang onto a lot of the muscle i had. then i got the diagnosis and was cleared back to lifting and was told i would be monitored every 6months to 1 year with a echo.

so my plan now is to put strength training on the back burner and get lean and cut up for once in my life lol im currently sitting at 320lbs and about 20% bf. i have lost a lot of muscle over the last 6 months bc of life and stress. i would like to make some decent weight loss quickly and then transition into a bb style cutting phase. im only shooting for about the 13-15%bf range bc at heart i am a strongman and i dont want to spend my lift trying to stay lean as fuck. end goals (6-8 months) is to be 300lbs with decent abs and be able to maintain that on my normal trt dose.

i am concerned with taking any cutting drug for very long bc im not sure of the stress put on the heart, like clen
i have been cycling for years just 100% bulk

been on trt only since jan.
my diet will be at 3100 cal per day, 30/40/30 split
1-2 & 5-6 clen up to 80mcg/d
1-12 primo 300-400mg/wk... to help build lean muscle
7-12 var 40-50mg/d
13-20 trt only (if i feel i wont make 300 lean then i will keep the primo)
21-26 tren a 350wk

that will put me in great time for a vacation with the wife

anyways any help is appreciated

jb14972 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2016, 12:21:33 AM »

320lb 5 weeks no gym

Juiced · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2016, 11:53:32 AM »

You've got quite alot of work to do..
I'd go with DNP since it should be quite easy on the heart and good at perserving muscle. (and will make it alooot easier)

Good luck buddy

pestosterone · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2016, 01:01:24 PM »

U must be close to 7ft tall or that keg belly not pictured is a hoss

jb14972 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2016, 01:57:17 PM »

6'8" lol close enough to 7'

theworm · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2016, 03:56:52 PM »

I wouldn't touch clen if I had heart issues

jb14972 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2016, 08:39:44 PM »

yea the more im thinking about it i might just diet and do it the hard way. just add in a bit of primo to keep building some muscle and help with the look as i get leaner.

not a fan of dnp since it is so hard on the body. what kind of weight loss is possible in 14 days? i know that it doesnt affect the heart like t3 or clen but i dont know if the risk is worth the reward. i see most guys run it for 14 days and are miserable the entire time. i can eat 3k in calories and do 3-4 hours of cardio on top of working out and lose 2lbs per week easy

i would love to run some gh but im not sure that would be a good idea with the heart condition either

Juiced · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2016, 11:29:04 PM »

jb it will work miricles

But yeah misrable as hell sadly. I am currently on 200mg ED and feel quite fine. I cant go higher then that though otherwise I will sweat buckets and couldnt go to work.

Juiced · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2016, 11:32:12 PM »

On 200mg ED you could expect at least double the fat loss. If you can handle it go to 400mg and you'll MELT it off

local hero · « **Reply #9 on:** June 28, 2016, 12:23:06 AM »

Or you could just eat less and do daily cardio sessions and push your self... Honestly I think some of you are either mentally ill or just plain bone idle lazy...

jb14972 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 28, 2016, 02:12:03 AM »

def thinking about the dnp now, doin some more reading on it and it doesnt seem to burn much muscle away and some people are saying to lift heavy and really short workouts even with cardio. i would imagine it would suck dick to do much on it but heavy would also be a bitch i would bet

yea bro i done that earlier this year and lost 50lbs... am also considering just doing that again but since im on a steroid forum talking about ped use then i might be "lazy" and use ped to help out...

pestosterone · « **Reply #11 on:** June 28, 2016, 05:53:17 PM »

With heart problems and only want to get to 13-15% the best route is just eat as little as possible and bust your ass. The higher your body fat percentage the side effects of all these PED are exacerbated, probly don't help with Your permabulk process may have attributed to the heart problems.

U r a big guy also realize most people responding to you in these forums are lucky to be 200lbs soaking wet and blasting grams+ of gear to get there.

jb14972 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 28, 2016, 08:14:40 PM »

athlete's heart is caused by heavy lifting for years anyways and by what my doc said he believes some genetics play a roll also on who develops it. he has a few Olympic athletes that have it also. He acted like its no big thing and actually said get my ass back under the weights but i need to keep healthy cardiovascular wize bc increase bp would have a negative affect on it. so yes my perma bulk/decade of heavy ass lifting did cause it

yea i know lol diet and training isnt an issue i am just looking for any way to assist in the weight loss without affecting my heart to much. im completely stable and my bp is 98/68 i just dont want to wreck my shit by blasting anymore lol

jb14972 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 28, 2016, 08:22:14 PM »

I'm shooting for about that lean, I have meet Hathor a few times at the world strongest man competition and I'm about 1/2"-1" taller than him.

jb14972 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 28, 2016, 08:24:59 PM »

d0nny2600 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 29, 2016, 04:01:36 AM »

Quote from: local hero on June 28, 2016, 12:23:06 AM

Or you could just eat less and do daily cardio sessions and push your self... Honestly I think some of you are either mentally ill or just plain bone idle lazy...

This is the real answer

jb14972 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 01, 2016, 09:03:03 PM »

yea fuck it im just gonna run some primo at 300-400mg per week and see how much progress i can make in the next few months. i will post up some pics for the fuck of it. maybe add some gh if i feel like dropping the money on some pharm

jb14972 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 01, 2016, 09:33:26 PM »

keep me motivated

local hero · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2016, 02:26:27 PM »

Quote from: jb14972 on July 01, 2016, 09:03:03 PM

yea fuck it im just gonna run some primo at 300-400mg per week and see how much progress i can make in the next few months. i will post up some pics for the fuck of it. maybe add some gh if i feel like dropping the money on some pharm

Primo is shit, run a healthy dose of test say 500mg of enth a wk or 250 every 3rd day, if you already have the primo run it with it.. keep ontop of your diet, push you self with cardio. You should be where you want within the next 3 month providing you are training correctly.

jb14972 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2016, 11:19:05 PM »

training is on point. i already have the primo so i will stick with it and my trt dose test. i have some a shit load of var that i will probably run when i get down to about 13% and what it does, i have always heard it gives good results at a lower bf. thanks man i will post up some progress pics in about a month. right now im doing 20 min pf Hiit on the elliptical every day except for leg day i just walk for 30 min on an incline. i will increase the hiit time to about 30 min per session in a couple of weeks. i usually take a day off every 10-12 days.

jb14972 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 10, 2016, 01:49:59 AM »

so im gonna run a bit of gh and cant decide which would be better, money wise i can get 210iu of seros with 300iu of greys for the same money i can get 315iu of seros.
so would it be better to run 3iu of seros a day OR run 2iu seros with 3iu greys per day. gonna do a minimum 4months

im thinking seros at 3iu should give me great results and i seem to have more sides from greys than pharm grade gh

jb14972 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2016, 05:47:02 PM »

1 month progress
Trt 200mg, started grey tops about 7 days ago at 3iu per day