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Title: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:10:55 PM
I hope this does not turn out to backfire upon us
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: tendonitis on September 28, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
it's understandable, there's a strong possiblity he had some friends and family members amongst that 75
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:17:24 PM
I can't recall details, but one former guan. detainee was recently captured in a hostile country after he had rejoined taliban/al quaida
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: shootfighter1 on September 28, 2009, 12:18:09 PM
I hope your kidding.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:20:23 PM
I hope your kidding.

I wish I was
just check yahoo
its breaking news
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:22:22 PM
think about it
out of 200+ still detained at Guantanamo
you think that NONE of these miscreants are going to go back to their 'gangs' and terrorist groups?
at least SOME will
in light of that
I say profile
and keep them all under lock and key

okay, flame on
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: jesusbod on September 28, 2009, 12:34:40 PM
We are ALL fucked because of the P-BO...
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: timfogarty on September 28, 2009, 12:36:52 PM
if there was enough evidence to charge them with a crime and try them in a court of law, the government would have.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: 240 is Back on September 28, 2009, 12:37:46 PM
I think something like 1 in 7 of the Gitmo detainees that Bush released returned to commit acts of terror.

Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:48:29 PM
if there was enough evidence to charge them with a crime and try them in a court of law, the government would have.

I say fuck that when we see more of our buildings go down
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:49:12 PM
I think something like 1 in 7 of the Gitmo detainees that Bush released returned to commit acts of terror.



I think you know we should now concentrate on Obama since he is in charge
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: 240 is Back on September 28, 2009, 12:52:31 PM
I think you know we should now concentrate on Obama since he is in charge

my point isn't to shit on bush - it's to illustrate yes, a small % of them do return to making a mess of things.

Sure, you can imprison them indefinitely.  however, if/when some country grabs up 2000 americans and keeps them locked up because 10 of them broke local laws.... well... we don't have much room to complain, now do we?

I dont know the answer here.  a small % of them are going to commit crimes, yes.  But can you justify locking up hundreds of people for their entire life because 5 of them might do something bad someday?

(remember - our enemies who DO follow geneva may use this example one day with americans)
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: shootfighter1 on September 28, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
I don't see anything on this lax.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
my point isn't to shit on bush - it's to illustrate yes, a small % of them do return to making a mess of things.

Sure, you can imprison them indefinitely.  however, if/when some country grabs up 2000 americans and keeps them locked up because 10 of them broke local laws.... well... we don't have much room to complain, now do we?

I dont know the answer here.  a small % of them are going to commit crimes, yes.  But can you justify locking up hundreds of people for their entire life because 5 of them might do something bad someday?

(remember - our enemies who DO follow geneva may use this example one day with americans)

I see
and agree abit
however, there are more than a few countries who already kill as many of us as possible, follow no rules of geneva, bc they KNOW we will do the right thing.

I just think that after the next incident/attack (unfortunately, it is likely just a matter of time)

you will see profiling here
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
I don't see anything on this lax.

I just clicked on yahoo.com
and their page comes up with several news items of the day
it was there an hour ago, anyway, sf
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: 3Dkiller on September 28, 2009, 12:58:45 PM
Obama 8)  Bush ?  :-X
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: 240 is Back on September 28, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
I see
and agree abit
however, there are more than a few countries who already kill as many of us as possible, follow no rules of geneva, bc they KNOW we will do the right thing.

I just think that after the next incident/attack (unfortunately, it is likely just a matter of time)

you will see profiling here

profiling works when it comes to airport security.  an old lady isn't gonig to blow up an airplane.  a shaved young man is more likely to do.  spend the resources on the people who have historically done the crimes.

I liked the idea of putting these ppl in federal supermax prison.  unfortunately, members of both parties cried 'not in my state!'

nobody has ever escaped from any of these supermax facilities.  we're talking landmines in the yard, rifleman in towers, etc.  Nobody escapes.

I think obama will still send the bad guys there eventually... maybe he sent away those 75 guys with zero evidence of a crime.  some of them were confused 12 year olds just following their dads around back then.  weird situation. i sure dont know the solution.  i care about america, and i worry the precendent of 'lock up many cause a few are bad' will hurt us in the future.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 01:02:46 PM
Obama 8)  Bush ?  :-X

we shall see
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 01:04:45 PM
profiling works when it comes to airport security.  an old lady isn't gonig to blow up an airplane.  a shaved young man is more likely to do.  spend the resources on the people who have historically done the crimes.

yes

I liked the idea of putting these ppl in federal supermax prison.  unfortunately, members of both parties cried 'not in my state!'

nobody has ever escaped from any of these supermax facilities.  we're talking landmines in the yard, rifleman in towers, etc.  Nobody escapes.

supermax=closest thing to torture we have. I am all for it. Madoff is there, no?

I think obama will still send the bad guys there eventually... maybe he sent away those 75 guys with zero evidence of a crime.  some of them were confused 12 year olds just following their dads around back then.  weird situation. i sure dont know the solution.  i care about america, and i worry the precendent of 'lock up many cause a few are bad' will hurt us in the future.

Perhaps. And you can also opine that the trade centers were blown to bits becausee we have always been too soft
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: jesusbod on September 28, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
we shall see

by the time 2012 comes around more people are going to be screaming for another President.. P-BO is fucking this country up worst than any President except Carter... Sorry thing is, he still has more than 3 years in office to Beat Carter as the worst President in history.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 02:31:54 PM
by the time 2012 comes around more people are going to be screaming for another President.. P-BO is fucking this country up worst than any President except Carter... Sorry thing is, he still has more than 3 years in office to Beat Carter as the worst President in history.

yeah
he is running neck and neck with Carter
who hates this country more than anyone
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: shootfighter1 on September 28, 2009, 02:35:44 PM
Many thought he'd be a moderate and were wrong.  He is allowing the left wing of the democratic party dictate policy.  He clearly follows a typical liberal philosophy...unfortunate ly its without regard to our deficit.  Perhaps obama will be a better president working with a more balanced congress in 2010.  We cannot have 1 party rule as we see now because the moderates are being shut out.  A great example is cap & trade, its an economic disaster for this country...but they are aggressively persuing it.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: The Showstoppa on September 28, 2009, 02:43:29 PM
The one sure way to ensure that no muslim extremists commit terrorist acts is to exterminate all muslims.  Actually quite logical and simple.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 02:45:14 PM
Many thought he'd be a moderate and were wrong.  He is allowing the left wing of the democratic party dictate policy.  He clearly follows a typical liberal philosophy...unfortunate ly its without regard to our deficit.  Perhaps obama will be a better president working with a more balanced congress in 2010.  We cannot have 1 party rule as we see now because the moderates are being shut out.  A great example is cap & trade, its an economic disaster for this country...but they are aggressively persuing it.

repubs take over=keep him in check
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 28, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
The one sure way to ensure that no muslim extremists commit terrorist acts is to exterminate all muslims.  Actually quite logical and simple.

at least profile all those who look like trouble
infantile?
perhaps

effective?
I think so
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: jesusbod on September 28, 2009, 04:31:18 PM
at least profile all those who look like trouble
infantile?
perhaps

effective?
I think so

Unfortunately, that is the only way to get it done.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: dr.chimps on September 28, 2009, 04:46:18 PM
at least profile all those who look like trouble
infantile?
perhaps

effective?
I think so
It's both 'infantile' and will be ineffective. Do you get all your info from watching 24!?
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: bigdumbbell on September 28, 2009, 04:51:21 PM
I say fuck that when we see more of our buildings go down
suspicion is enough probable cause for me to lock em up for good.  suspected terrorists have no right and should be presumed guilty
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: timfogarty on September 28, 2009, 05:05:02 PM
suspected terrorists have no right and should be presumed guilty

does that apply to suspected home grown terrorists too?   you know, those born here?  perhaps those belonging to white supremacist groups?
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: bigdumbbell on September 28, 2009, 05:08:57 PM
does that apply to suspected home grown terrorists too?   you know, those born here?  perhaps those belonging to white supremacist groups?
no, foreigner are held to a different standard. 
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: Matt C on September 28, 2009, 07:31:13 PM
if there was enough evidence to charge them with a crime and try them in a court of law, the government would have.

Very true.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: Coach is Back! on September 28, 2009, 08:24:52 PM
I hope this does not turn out to backfire upon us

It's gonna backfire just like his "diplomacy" with Iran.
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: jtsunami on September 28, 2009, 10:14:43 PM
I hope this does not turn out to backfire upon us

it won't don't worry none of them did anything illegal anyway, we were doing something illegal though imprisoning the Arab royalty.

jt
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: jtsunami on September 28, 2009, 10:16:15 PM
suspicion is enough probable cause for me to lock em up for good.  suspected terrorists have no right and should be presumed guilty

that is such an infantile outlook on this shit, how bout someone just accuse you of being a terrorist and they lock you up for good, that is just so stupid to say suspicion is good enough seriously??

Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: Matt C on September 28, 2009, 11:06:02 PM
It's both 'infantile' and will be ineffective. Do you get all your info from watching 24!?

Yes, terribly ineffective.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: bigdumbbell on September 29, 2009, 12:32:55 AM
that is such an infantile outlook on this shit, how bout someone just accuse you of being a terrorist and they lock you up for good, that is just so stupid to say suspicion is good enough seriously??


read the patriot act friend
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 29, 2009, 06:29:55 AM
It's both 'infantile' and will be ineffective. Do you get all your info from watching 24!?

I don't watch tv
and
mayhaps you would benefit by
concentrating on the message
instead of tomfoolery
Title: Re: Obama releases 75 Guantanamo prisoners
Post by: lax on September 29, 2009, 06:31:50 AM
read the patriot act friend

right
of course
obammo would like to eliminate that, too