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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Mad-scientist on February 18, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
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I always read through getbig and see some crazy cycles people take and wonder to myself if taking all that stuff ever makes them paranoid about the long term effects. I can understand doing a couple cycle's but I see a lot of people who decide to blast and cruise on some crazy dosages. I guess im just wondering if im the only one who gets paranoid about all this stuff.
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I always read through getbig and see some crazy cycles people take and wonder to myself if taking all that stuff ever makes them paranoid about the long term effects. I can understand doing a couple cycle's but I see a lot of people who decide to blast and cruise on some crazy dosages. I guess im just wondering if im the only one who gets paranoid about all this stuff.
If you do something stupid, paranoia may be your only saving grace. Unfortunately, people who abuse steroids are often too far gone already to seriously consider that they might be doing more harm than good to their bodies.
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hi
what is Long term effects? ;)
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havent seen anyone dying from tren yet.
and then theres all the twinks on the forums bashing you for running tren for longer than 8 weeks
there are probably some crazy fuckers who havent been off tren for 10 years+ and never gotten bloodwork or whatever
personally since i first touched AAS (years ago) ive been on tren for probably 2/3 of the time nonstop
if i was worried i wouldnt do it
diet+genetics is much more important anyway
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I def learned more is not better. I'm getting the some gains from just 1 gram a week from 2 grams a week. 500mg of Test cyp and 500mg EQ seems to be the spot for me.
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Get blood work and you should b fine too paranoid to do steroids? Think about being a skinny bitch that's way worse
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If it happens it happens
Im the only one to blame
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I always read through getbig and see some crazy cycles people take and wonder to myself if taking all that stuff ever makes them paranoid about the long term effects. I can understand doing a couple cycle's but I see a lot of people who decide to blast and cruise on some crazy dosages. I guess im just wondering if im the only one who gets paranoid about all this stuff.
All the fucking time.
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I always read through getbig and see some crazy cycles people take and wonder to myself if taking all that stuff ever makes them paranoid about the long term effects. I can understand doing a couple cycle's but I see a lot of people who decide to blast and cruise on some crazy dosages. I guess im just wondering if im the only one who gets paranoid about all this stuff.
unless taking steroid's cause's you to lose your place atop mount Olympus and have your demigod immortality stripped from you then i wouldn't worry too much.
dying is one thing we all have in common at least.
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Elevated BP, cholesterol, liver enzymes, CM levels and many other things that are cause by AAS are not good for your health. Same goes for eating junk food, drinking too much alcohol, eating too much sugar, smoking cigs or taking rec drugs.
There are long and short term side effects from using AAS, anyone who discounts this is foolish. It just depends on how much you take for how long. You can easily use them safely for long periods if you are doing blood work to catch problems.
I've used AAS for over 12 years, I've stayed on for 3 years straight and my blood work was always a little on the bad side. If you compare blood work from being on to being off for extended periods of time, it's quite obvious AAS increase your chances to have health problems.
If you follow a healthy diet, do cardio and stay at an acceptable bodyweight, i believe 100% that you can use AAS for decades without having life threatening side effects. It's the guys that throw caution to the wind and don't ever get blood work that end up with medical issues. I've known many guys who had serious health problems from using AAS, but these were guys who pushed the limits and didn't live a healthy lifestyle.
Bottom line, be cautious with your doses, eat healthy, stay at a reasonable body weight and get blood work done.
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Yes, I do worry and is why I stay on pretty much 1cc test e3d. It's enough to keep me a good 20lbs above natty status and taking more dosen't get me much better, so for that, it's not worth it.
On the other hand, dying younger (I know, everyone says this) does not bother me. I will not have had any kids and don't see what there is to live for past a certain age when pretty much all you do is await death.
No thanks. Gonna live now, the way I want so when it's done, I can say I lived happily. Is this some "druggie" justifying his use? Could be, we all do and say what we need to in order to convince ourselves we're doing the right thing...
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Yes, I do worry and is why I stay on pretty much 1cc test e3d. It's enough to keep me a good 20lbs above natty status and taking more dosen't get me much better, so for that, it's not worth it.
On the other hand, dying younger (I know, everyone says this) does not bother me. I will not have had any kids and don't see what there is to live for past a certain age when pretty much all you do is await death.
No thanks. Gonna live now, the way I want so when it's done, I can say I lived happily. Is this some "druggie" justifying his use? Could be, we all do and say what we need to in order to convince ourselves we're doing the right thing...
well said but I don't think u need to justify your use. If u take gear and look great fuck whomever wants u to come up with an excuse to justify it. Would not tade 10 extra years at the end of my life for living it not the way I am now I eat train and stay jacked among other things my oldest daughter thinks I'm a fucking super hero and I have younger dudes saying they want to look like me one day and shit like that it may b dumb but I enjoy it. Think of it this way never do gear and when u r 80 shitting in a diaper think back of how cool it would have been to b pumping iron and being massive if u like what u do and do what u want then there is no regrets anybody can take shit to the extreme but I see not a damn thing wrong with being enhanced not do I get paranoid. U have to b cautious and do blood work and b smart but other than that im not looking back
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well said but I don't think u need to justify your use. If u take gear and look great fuck whomever wants u to come up with an excuse to justify it. Would not tade 10 extra years at the end of my life for living it not the way I am now I eat train and stay jacked among other things my oldest daughter thinks I'm a fucking super hero and I have younger dudes saying they want to look like me one day and shit like that it may b dumb but I enjoy it. Think of it this way never do gear and when u r 80 shitting in a diaper think back of how cool it would have been to b pumping iron and being massive if u like what u do and do what u want then there is no regrets anybody can take shit to the extreme but I see not a damn thing wrong with being enhanced not do I get paranoid. U have to b cautious and do blood work and b smart but other than that im not looking back
The thing about blood work... Say you got news, bad news. Would you change your ways? I have yet to do this in spite of that. I know, not good.
But yeah, it's cool when random people say stuff like "bro, I wanna look like you later on" and stuff. I appreciate it even more as I wear normal fitting clothes...
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We have had members on this site who have been running nonstop for almost 40 years.
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The thing about blood work... Say you got news, bad news. Would you change your ways? I have yet to do this in spite of that. I know, not good.
But yeah, it's cool when random people say stuff like "bro, I wanna look like you later on" and stuff. I appreciate it even more as I wear normal fitting clothes...
Obviously bad news would b unfortunate and u would have to step back and re assess think things, after first immediately correcting the problem. If I had some bad shit happening or going on that was severe ide stop now, but life is a gamble man nobody is promised tomorrow I do not mega dose either just enough to improve a little bit with whatever I'm trying to do at the time. U just have to go with the flow and do the best u can with what cards you are delt.
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Here's another thought if u think people like us r crazy and need to b paranoid what about people who smoke cigarettes they don't even get a fucking thing but cancer that's way worse to me.
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Here's another thought if u think people like us r crazy and need to b paranoid what about people who smoke cigarettes they don't even get a fucking thing but cancer that's way worse to me.
For sure... Stuff like that I often tell myself to say "ah, I'm not so bad, lol..." But I still have my nasty habbits but that shit is fading more and more.
Will smoke green until I die, but has been shown safe. (from the pro smoking crowd obviously, lol...) well, time to burn one down and go train!
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We all are going to pay for it sooner or later. Fact.
But this is what we love . . . So we keep doing it..
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I just worry because i have naturally high blood pressure and cancer runs in my family. So im always tripped out ill be bench pressing and ill have a hard attack and smash my face with the bar lol. My last cycle my bad cholesterol came back at like 260 everything else was fine though. I think my cholesterol was so high cause i got my testosterone levels above 10,000ng/dl off of 850mgs of test and 600 of masteron. I think my masteron was cut with testosterone though. I got really bad acne from that cycle and have been off for over a year now i got acne scars on my shoulders back and face. But im considering blasting and cruising in the future. Being off cycle for over a year has sucked.
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For sure... Stuff like that I often tell myself to say "ah, I'm not so bad, lol..." But I still have my nasty habbits but that shit is fading more and more.
Will smoke green until I die, but has been shown safe. (from the pro smoking crowd obviously, lol...) well, time to burn one down and go train!
:) I do not go many hours with out my green
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FACT: best way to minimize the effects of steroids are a perfect heart healthy diet
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French fries onions rings milk shakes burgers and TRen isn't healthy?
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French fries onions rings milk shakes burgers and TRen isn't healthy?
juan morel diet
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juan morel diet
nah, needs at least a pound of oreos for that :D
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French fries onions rings milk shakes burgers and TRen isn't healthy?
Lol n still
Shredded
Tren :-)
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I'm a long timer and the only issue I have had is hematocrit. You have to donate blood, something I did not do early on. As you get older it becomes harder to control.
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I'm a long timer and the only issue I have had is hematocrit. You have to donate blood, something I did not do early on. As you get older it becomes harder to control.
Avoiding anadrol and EQ will reduce the risk of this as well.
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What age are you on here.
I ask as some come across quite young.
We never think we going to get older,
It just happens.
I'm 54 & intend to use & train as long as I want to.
Bodyweight is 108k & fairly lean.
Around 10% & getting leaner.
Thinking of competing again.
Looking at UK qualifier, Finals, & ultimately senior universe.
If I can justify the £ for it all.
Enjoy my life & hope to a good few more years left.
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What age are you on here.
I ask as some come across quite young.
We never think we going to get older,
It just happens.
I'm 54 & intend to use & train as long as I want to.
Bodyweight is 108k & fairly lean.
Around 10% & getting leaner.
Thinking of competing again.
Looking at UK qualifier, Finals, & ultimately senior universe.
If I can justify the £ for it all.
Enjoy my life & hope to a good few more years left.
A fellow I wrote about earlier today, Earl is 80 years old and still working out despite the onset of Parkinson's. When Earl was 70 he started entering and winning power lifting contests. There is some advantage to age when it comes to weight training. The competition gets narrower in that a lot of the competitors have dropped out of the game for various reasons.
I have flirted with the idea of stepping on stage in a thong just because I might be able to pull it off without too much work. Unlike Earl, I probably would not do well in a power lifting competition since I have never been all that strong....but who knows?
If there is any chance I could place in a bodybuilding competition, it would be an honor to my parents who provided me with great genetics. Since both my parents passed decades ago, and since it was not something they were into, I will probably pass.
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Nope! i only get paranoid of running out of gear
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Nope! i only get paranoid of running out of gear
Lol dude u r like 20 years old most people here have kids and families and jobs and shit at 20 years old u have not experienced shit nor do u have any worries enjoy it while it last that shit fades and u will end up with a lot on your plate besides your dieting egg whites and lifting. U won't last long in anything with a wreckless idgaf attitude always think ahead and b responsible. Like it or not there r real consequences to doing his shit. You don't have to b a pussy just b smart dude.
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Nope! i only get paranoid of running out of gear
hahaha, good one!!!
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Lol dude u r like 20 years old most people here have kids and families and jobs and shit at 20 years old u have not experienced shit nor do u have any worries enjoy it while it last that shit fades and u will end up with a lot on your plate besides your dieting egg whites and lifting. U won't last long in anything with a wreckless idgaf attitude always think ahead and b responsible. Like it or not there r real consequences to doing his shit. You don't have to b a pussy just b smart dude.
Hahaha I was totally kidding man it was a joke
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What age are you on here.
I ask as some come across quite young.
We never think we going to get older,
It just happens.
I'm 54 & intend to use & train as long as I want to.
Bodyweight is 108k & fairly lean.
Around 10% & getting leaner.
Thinking of competing again.
Looking at UK qualifier, Finals, & ultimately senior universe.
If I can justify the £ for it all.
Enjoy my life & hope to a good few more years left.
I'm 36 and i've noticed in the past 3-4 years that my blood work comes back a lot worse while on gear than it did in the past. I'm even using less than half of what i did in my 20's. However, once i cruise for a while on a legit TRT dose my health is pretty much normal for my age. I just have to monitor my BP regularly and keep my weight under 220 while on cycle. I also quit using stimulants which helped a lot.
It's weird, once i hit 32 my blood work started coming back much worse than ever before and i was on moderate doses. That's why i take it easy these days and focus on staying healthy.
Anything more than 600mg total AAS gets my BP up too high and my blood work goes to shit. In my 20's i would run twice that and most of my values were within normal range.
Could be more factors to this as well, not just AAS use. I have a pretty stressful job and don't sleep much.
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I'm 36 and i've noticed in the past 3-4 years that my blood work comes back a lot worse while on gear than it did in the past. I'm even using less than half of what i did in my 20's. However, once i cruise for a while on a legit TRT dose my health is pretty much normal for my age. I just have to monitor my BP regularly and keep my weight under 220 while on cycle. I also quit using stimulants which helped a lot.
It's weird, once i hit 32 my blood work started coming back much worse than ever before and i was on moderate doses. That's why i take it easy these days and focus on staying healthy.
Anything more than 600mg total AAS gets my BP up too high and my blood work goes to shit. In my 20's i would run twice that and most of my values were within normal range.
Could be more factors to this as well, not just AAS use. I have a pretty stressful job and don't sleep much.
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I would have to agree with your assumption that your Stressful job & lack of Sleep
Is likely a large contributor.
You seem well aware of your self. And potential problems.
Have you tried stress management & sleep enhancement techniques.
Guessing you have.
I say this as a couple of friends suffered major health probs when into there early / mid 40's.
Not trying to Preach.
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Yeah my blood pressure is always high im on beta blockers even without using steroids. My doctor says its because my mom has such high blood pressure ill always have it.
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I would have to agree with your assumption that your Stressful job & lack of Sleep
Is likely a large contributor.
You seem well aware of your self. And potential problems.
Have you tried stress management & sleep enhancement techniques.
Guessing you have.
I say this as a couple of friends suffered major health probs when into there early / mid 40's.
Not trying to Preach.
I appreciate it. High anxiety and stress issues run on both sides of my family. I've done stress management a few times and counseling without medication in the past two years. I had a script for Valium 15 years ago in my early 20's, but I'm not using meds because i believe i can handle it in my mind. I've made a lot of progress in the past two years, just learning how to let things go and realize i can't fix everything or make it perfect.
I have a problem turning off that "switch" when i leave the office. Worry about things i cannot change. I've just had to learn slowly how to let it go and just do the best i can, let things work out as they may.
I've practiced meditation for a while, i learned it from a Buddhist monk. It helps a lot, but i still struggle.
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I appreciate it. High anxiety and stress issues run on both sides of my family. I've done stress management a few times and counseling without medication in the past two years. I had a script for Valium 15 years ago in my early 20's, but I'm not using meds because i believe i can handle it in my mind. I've made a lot of progress in the past two years, just learning how to let things go and realize i can't fix everything or make it perfect.
I have a problem turning off that "switch" when i leave the office. Worry about things i cannot change. I've just had to learn slowly how to let it go and just do the best i can, let things work out as they may.
I've practiced meditation for a while, i learned it from a Buddhist monk. It helps a lot, but i still struggle.
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Smoke a little green man it helps a lot with anxiety...You'll be stressed and then smoke a little before bed and next thing you know you'll forget what you were even stressed about
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nope, I get my prostate measured and a heart stress test every 2 years
prostate is actually small for my age, stress test in the top range
a platelet donation every 2-3 months and low dose adex and I rarely go over 500mg a week anymore
so no, not worried at all.
much more worried about diet and life stress TBH
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Yes, nothing screams stress and anxiety when you realize you're down to your last vial of tren....gives me goosebumps just thinking about it
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weed doesnt reduce anxiety for everyone.
it gives me horrific anxiety.
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lol the funny thing is smoking weed is usually what makes me paranoid about steroids. I'm probably just paranoid because I got really bad acne from my last cycle and now am afraid to do steroids again because the acne left scars and I don't want anymore. But I miss being big it sucks.
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when im chill weed makes me more chill
when im anxious or have any kind of problem weed makes me crazy anxious
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When I'm awake I like to b baked I lift better too numbs pain specific strains my dude gets me jacks u up and is badass about hour pre workout
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when im chill weed makes me more chill
when im anxious or have any kind of problem weed makes me crazy anxious
must be the strain doing that...
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I appreciate it. High anxiety and stress issues run on both sides of my family. I've done stress management a few times and counseling without medication in the past two years. I had a script for Valium 15 years ago in my early 20's, but I'm not using meds because i believe i can handle it in my mind. I've made a lot of progress in the past two years, just learning how to let things go and realize i can't fix everything or make it perfect.
I have a problem turning off that "switch" when i leave the office. Worry about things i cannot change. I've just had to learn slowly how to let it go and just do the best i can, let things work out as they may.
I've practiced meditation for a while, i learned it from a Buddhist monk. It helps a lot, but i still struggle.
That's good to hear you are very self aware.
And doing your best to counter it.
I was going to suggest mediation / self hypnosis.
Both very good for stress & relaxation.
As with your training you have to persevere,
Try short 10 /15min sessions morning & night to get into it.
Alternatively get into a good book for half hour a night.
Helps divert & quieten the mind.
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I worry sometimes about never being able to properly restore my natural testosterone production if and when I decide to stop being a beast. Also the dark months during which my system is trying to restore its own production. Yes I would like not to be dependent on it for the rest of my life even though there are positives to TRT when older. It would be nice to have the mindset of being on for life and not worrying about coming off completely but I also don't like the feeling of dependency and always having to be near your source and vials.
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I worry sometimes about never being able to properly restore my natural testosterone production if and when I decide to stop being a beast. Also the dark months during which my system is trying to restore its own production. Yes I would like not to be dependent on it for the rest of my life even though there are positives to TRT when older. It would be nice to have the mindset of being on for life and not worrying about coming off completely but I also don't like the feeling of dependency and always having to be near your source and vials.
I struggle with this all the time, I keep having a yr or 2 off just to prove to my self that I can mentally and physically manage
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I usually take a year off between cycles i think if i ever cycle again i will blast and cruise. Pct fucks me up for to long. It takes me like 8 months to get my test levels back to normal and i feel depressed or kinda down the whole time. Going on trt is scary though cause if i ever went to jail or a natural disaster happened i would be fucked with no way to get TRT.
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The thing about blood work... Say you got news, bad news. Would you change your ways? I have yet to do this in spite of that. I know, not good.
But yeah, it's cool when random people say stuff like "bro, I wanna look like you later on" and stuff. I appreciate it even more as I wear normal fitting clothes...
This has alwas been my point when getting in e arguments wih resident drug addicts who say they get Bw all the time...
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I worry sometimes about never being able to properly restore my natural testosterone production if and when I decide to stop being a beast. Also the dark months during which my system is trying to restore its own production. Yes I would like not to be dependent on it for the rest of my life even though there are positives to TRT when older. It would be nice to have the mindset of being on for life and not worrying about coming off completely but I also don't like the feeling of dependency and always having to be near your source and vials.
Totally agree with this. I like looking like a i lift though :)
If i came off, i am going to make sure im very lean before i do. Then i will focus more on cardio
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This has alwas been my point when getting in e arguments wih resident drug addicts who say they get Bw all the time...
As soon as my bloodwork was a concern, i came off all AAS for almost 2 years. Since then i've only done moderate amounts and kept an eye on my bloodwork. So far so good.
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when im chill weed makes me more chill
when im anxious or have any kind of problem weed makes me crazy anxious
It does the same for me, that's why I'm very selective when i smoke. I have only smoked a handful of times in the past 5 years. The company i work for has a hardcore drug testing policy and because i actually spend time in the field during construction activities, i get targeted all the time for a piss test.
As far back as i can remember weed as been more of a mood enhancement drug than anything else, it seems like it typically intensifies the current state I'm in, but not always.
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I worry sometimes about never being able to properly restore my natural testosterone production if and when I decide to stop being a beast. Also the dark months during which my system is trying to restore its own production. Yes I would like not to be dependent on it for the rest of my life even though there are positives to TRT when older. It would be nice to have the mindset of being on for life and not worrying about coming off completely but I also don't like the feeling of dependency and always having to be near your source and vials.
I'll be the first to admit, when i came off of a 3 year blast i felt like shit for about 2 months. I did a good PCT and just toughed it out, it wasn't that bad but i was honestly depressed for a few months, didn't want to do anything. I had never felt that way before in my life. I barely went to the gym, but i got through it and took over 2 years off. After 8 months my Test levels were in the bottom range of normal and stayed there.
You seem to have a strong mind, so i doubt you will have any issues with it. I think it's more mental than anything else, i wouldn't worry about it. I know a ton of guys who used for years and came off, pretty much all of them had a bad few months, but they all turned out fine.
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Overlord
What would you think to tappering down to only test for a few months then comming of slowly.
techincally it wont work as youd still be shut down regardless, but possibly prepare you mentally.
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Overlord
What would you think to tappering down to only test for a few months then comming of slowly.
techincally it wont work as youd still be shut down regardless, but possibly prepare you mentally.
That's actually what i did. I tapered down to 250mg EW for 6 weeks and started taking HCG the last 4 weeks i was on. Don't remember the HCG doses but i want to say 500mcg E3D. After my last shot of Test E i started 100mg of Clomid for 2 weeks and then 50mg for 4 weeks. Kept running the HCG the entire time.
From a mental perspective it worked, but I'm not so sure it helped me recover any faster or better. I know guys who came off massive amounts cold turkey due to health scares and they experienced about the same thing i did.
I was on ~3000mg of combined AAS for about a year before i decided to do this; before that i was on a lot more than that. Once i realized my power lifting days where over due to a torn ACL and my blood work was coming back terrible, i decided to come clean and stayed clean for over 2 years.
Just make sure you keep training hard, don't stop going to the gym. You will lose a lot of desire to train, but if you stay with it you can keep a lot of your gains. The biggest shock to me was how fast my strength dropped. My size didn't drop as bad as i thought, i pretty much looked the same, just deflated.
Good luck!
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As soon as my bloodwork was a concern, i came off all AAS for almost 2 years. Since then i've only done moderate amounts and kept an eye on my bloodwork. So far so good.
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Have numbers/examples?
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i wont be comming off anytime soon lol
been on blasting and some cruising lol for 2 years, was taking steroids cycling for 2 years before that.
but eventually when im done with this, have a family ect, i would want to come off tbh
one day
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Have numbers/examples?
I have them all filed at home and can post them up this weekend.
My latest numbers are from December 2014 all the way back to 2006.
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