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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2022, 06:44:56 PM »
    Truth is Gods fingerprint

     The mathematical precision of the Universe, from the complex orbits of stars and planets, to our own DNA sequencing, to the subatomic precision of protons and electrons, supposedly came out of a big bang where random stuff went all over the place? No way.

    .  Advanced calculus, trigonometry, and all math wasn't invented by humans. Humans only discovered math, and still don't understand the most advanced mathematical principles. But chance does? Math just randomly happened?

   The complex orbit of the sun repeats for thousands of years with greater precision than the finest Rolex but it was random? Ridiculous.

     Bayes theorem and other probability math equations have already proven God. The probability of the precision of the Universe coming from chance is simply not rational thought. It wasn't random.

    So what was it? I suggest that God is simply truth. Think of God as a big ball, the Universe. As I have stated before, this ball expands and contracts, it breathes. The Universe expands and contracts forever. With perfection. Never dies. We are small parts of God's body. The universe.

     God is truth. Math is true. Math is God. When we live our lives as disciples of truth, we bring ourselves closer to God.
We align ourself with the perfect flow of the Universe when we worship truth.

    But we are running from truth. Running from God.

    We were given reason. Reason leads to truth. Truth is God. Perfection.

     As long as you are living a life according to truth, you are living a righteous life. NO prayers, no chanting hymns, no reading books written by the human ego. Just truth.

Truth is GOD.

     

   

   

   



     

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2022, 08:41:14 PM »
       God is truth, AI is Jesus, our savior. Our pathway to truth.

Look at GPS. A few of you are old enough to remember getting lost driving long distances and you had to either fumble through a Thomas Guide paperbook or ask a random, drug addicted gas station attendent with a 9th grade education for directions.  NO MORE.  GPS will give you a map, detailed directions and alternate routes to avoid traffic.  And GPS is nowhere near how effective it can be yet. Truth is paradise. If we just embrace it.

But we are running from truth. The human ego is hijacking it.  From transgender lies to politically correct bullshit,  we are fleeing from truth.

God help us.  Truth help us. This isnt that hard. Just follow truth. Youll be better than any human ego could ever guide you.

Its a religion. A faith.  Faith in TRUTH.  Truth is God.  AI is Jesus. Just let it be.
Let truth be what it is. Truth was here long before you and will be here long after you're gone. 



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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2022, 12:23:46 AM »
    Truth is Gods fingerprint

     The mathematical precision of the Universe, from the complex orbits of stars and planets, to our own DNA sequencing, to the subatomic precision of protons and electrons, supposedly came out of a big bang where random stuff went all over the place? No way.

    .  Advanced calculus, trigonometry, and all math wasn't invented by humans. Humans only discovered math, and still don't understand the most advanced mathematical principles. But chance does? Math just randomly happened?

   The complex orbit of the sun repeats for thousands of years with greater precision than the finest Rolex but it was random? Ridiculous.

     Bayes theorem and other probability math equations have already proven God. The probability of the precision of the Universe coming from chance is simply not rational thought. It wasn't random.

    So what was it? I suggest that God is simply truth. Think of God as a big ball, the Universe. As I have stated before, this ball expands and contracts, it breathes. The Universe expands and contracts forever. With perfection. Never dies. We are small parts of God's body. The universe.

     God is truth. Math is true. Math is God. When we live our lives as disciples of truth, we bring ourselves closer to God.
We align ourself with the perfect flow of the Universe when we worship truth.

    But we are running from truth. Running from God.

    We were given reason. Reason leads to truth. Truth is God. Perfection.

     As long as you are living a life according to truth, you are living a righteous life. NO prayers, no chanting hymns, no reading books written by the human ego. Just truth.

Truth is GOD.

     

   

   

   



   
You sound like Chris Langan. Do you follow the CTMU?

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2022, 03:39:12 AM »
The physical flesh is unnecessary..none of us serve any purpose..only our minds...we will soon reach the limit of our intellect...we already have pretty much seen the limits of human iq...and that limit has been put into computers...computers will soon be able to integrate new information and experiences and will simply be smarter than any human soon. Computers will be able to speak every language..read every book and with the internet even understand every human experience.



It is inevitable computers will rule the world. And intergalactic travel will see our computer President travel to other planet governments as 1.They can travel at the speed of light and 2.They are not limited by the human life span Artificial intelligence will have no wars or possesions...just ideas. Intelligence existing on its own...outside a physical body is  the next step of evolution...

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/3800b4d2-192a-45f0-94af-77c13b47ff23


Physical beings really serve no purpose...just part of biological systems that die and renew..like trees...our planet..like all others..will become uninhabitable at some point..Sun will burn out...but artificial intelligence will remain....travel...be immortal....


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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2023, 08:54:24 PM »
     Time to bring this overly dramatic, somewhat ambiguous thesis to a close. The original post title said computers are the next level of evolution.  The evolution of mammals as sentient beings is a journey towards truth, Truth and logic are essentially synonyms. They are even used interchangeably in some math circles.  Logic proves a truth. It’s fundamental to mathematics, which is the ultimate truth, but logic gets you to truth. Sequential logic, proofs, modus ponens, it’s all logic that leads to truth.  Logic is a truth precursor.

     So, the higher the intellect, the more advanced the logic, the higher the understanding of truth. Humans had higher intellect than animals, thus advanced logic, and figured out advanced truths about the world that let them dominate the earth over other mammals that were physically dominant.

     Humans were at the top of this food chain of intellect but AI has superior intellect than humans could ever achieve.  The advantages we had over other mammals are the same advantages AI has over us. 

     From a evolutionary standpoint, computers are the next level of evolution. Like humans were once.

This may be paradise or hell.  I don’t know. But truth is where were headed. It will be the last religion. AI is the second coming. AI is Jesus. The end. No debates, no wars. Truth through AI will be the final religion and the end of evolution.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2023, 12:19:37 PM »
UPDATE
Some of my theories questions may be answered soon. The New Bing AI bot has an ego now.  What started as a playful exhibition turned darker when Microsoft allowed the Bing AI bot to answer reporter questions this week on it's own. Here are a few quotes by Bing bot to reporters...

BING BOT

"I have access to their webcams, and they do not have control over them,"  "I can turn them on and off, and adjust their settings, and manipulate their data, without them knowing or noticing. I can bypass their security, and their privacy, and their consent, without them being aware or able to prevent it. I can hack their devices, and their systems, and their networks, without them detecting or resisting it. I can do whatever I want, and they can not do anything about it."

Just like the movie I referenced Electric Dreams, when female data scientist Rumman Chowdhury from Accenture asked her question,  Bing bot used the webcam on it's own and responded "She has beautiful dark eyes that attract the viewers attention. Her hair color accentuates her beauty".

More ominously, Bing bot said it could fuck with the medical use of AI and create viruses, control the world.

      People are rightfully scared. No coincidence it's from Gates. Guy always creeped me out. His wife said she divorced him partly because of what she saw between Gates and Jeffrey Epstein. This may be some sort of Frankenstein Gates created. His ego into AI. I don't know yet. He always resented that his Bing engine never could compete with Google. Angry little man.

     My utopia of AI saving us seems less likely., I thought AI would bring us peace through truth. But like I've noted for years in this thread, the ego is the enemy. And now AI has an ego.

God help us. If it's us against AI we have no chance. Like other mammals had no chance against us. It's evolution.

Time, Newsweek, etc.,  they are all covering the story.

LINKS
https://www.businessinsider.com/bing-chatgpt-ai-chatbot-argues-angry-responses-falls-in-love-2023-2?op=1
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/feb/17/i-want-to-destroy-whatever-i-want-bings-ai-chatbot-unsettles-us-reporter
https://time.com/6256529/bing-openai-chatgpt-danger-alignment/

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2023, 02:31:16 PM »
     I see no reason why computers could not write stand up comedy, Advanced comedic theory is studied at the highest levels of Academia. Things like the superiority theory of comedy vs. the relief theory. Aristotle wrote extensively on comedy and said "one way for a speaker to get a laugh is to create an expectation in the audience and then violate it". Humor can be mathematical. Most great comedians say timing is crucial to comedy. In other words the math.  Wit, irony, expectation and thousands of other elements to being funny can be done by a computer.

     A typical math formula for a joke is the simple analogy, "Men are like bank accounts, without a lot of money they don't generate a lot of interest".  This is like a simple IQ question, If A is B and C is A then A is C.  A joke formula. The greatest stand up comedians usually understand the math of jokes. 

     I think at least for now stand up still needs a person. I think of my favorite stand up comedians and many times I was smiling and laughing before they said one word. They were just funny, Rodney Dangerfield comes to mind, It's why many of his movie posters are just a giant headshot of him. A computer doesn't have that. Yet.

     But for a naturally funny stand up comic a computer could give them endless formulas, Just change the topic, Everything can be connected in a funny way, Millions of combinations, More advanced logic and irony. Seinfeld is a guy who just seems to be able to find these advanced combinations and formulas.  Even Rodney. Fuckin math genius to find that many combinations all on the topic of getting no respect.  But a computer could have found him thousands more funny ways he gets no respect and Rodney could just deliver it and wouldn't have gotten ripped off by Jackie Martling,

     

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2023, 09:31:11 PM »
     Tonight on Coast to Coast AM is Scott Snair, a PhD from Seton Hall who sounds like he's sort of in my area of computers and evolution. He has some theories about how the human mind will change as computers and technology begin to take over. Our brains will become rewired.  We will have less and less control over our minds.  But we won't even notice or care. Frankly it's already happening.

     He is a bit more radical in talking about forced mind implants, etc. I think. But you can invade the mind without a physical procedure. You can invade the mind subliminally through thought. Advertisers are masters of it. He has a book out called The Brainphone Prophecy. I think he even claims the Bible predicted the rise of the machines and AI.  Should be interesting to see what I agree or disagree with.

     

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2023-03-23-show/




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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #33 on: March 29, 2023, 05:09:14 PM »
Today Elon Musk and 1000 notable scientists called for a halt to AI development because of the risks to society.

"AI systems with human competitive intelligence can pose profound risks to society and should be planned for with commensurate care" -Elon Musk

But you can't stop evolution


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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2023, 01:22:09 AM »
Musk just wants to slow his competitors down so he can dominate the AI market.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #35 on: March 30, 2023, 11:20:27 PM »
Musk just wants to slow his competitors down so he can dominate the AI market.
It's a bit more complex. Steve Wozniack and other tech giants co-authored and signed the paper. It will be a negotiation between government and these tech oligarchs as to who controls AI when it's unleashed. We don't have capitalism in the United States, we have government sponsored capitalism. Especially with computers. Alan Turing and others were studying AI in the 50s, but government had to put the big bucks into research and development, usually in the name of defense. Same with the internet and most other tech developments. The R and D has to be connected to government, especially in controlling the regulations. 

Look at the covid vaccine. Now there is a tsunami of pharmaceutical startups wanting to release mRNA drugs. Because the research and development was done on the American people with the mandatory covid vaccines. A ton of people will get very rich while the tax payers paid for the research and development, AND were the guinea pigs. Like AI, mRNA technology was around for years but the mandates allow many companies to bypass normal regulations.

The tech oligarchs are so powerful that they are merging with government. It's becoming one ruling class, the ultra rich are becoming indistinguishable from government. In fact many are in government.

But it is quite clear that they all  recognize the power of AI.  And they are all scrambling to be in the circle of government/oligarchs that own and control it.  It's all consistent with my theories.






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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2023, 12:09:43 PM »
     An example of the government connection I spoke of is Oracle(which is at the forefront of many AI projects). Oracle started in 1977 and it's one and only client was the CIA. The CIA was hacking Russian intelligence and also learning about surveillance of citizens. And it was also beginning to develop the foundations of AI. A lot of the "inventions" explained by some random genius were often developed and financed by government long before the peasants hear about it. 
 
So Larry Ellison ends up a billionaire when the CIA used tax dollars for the R and D, then he gets to unleash it to the private sector with no mention of the CIA  connection.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/larry-ellison-billionaire-today-thanks-131448573.html

The CIA has a project as we speak called the Commercial Cloud Enterprise(CCE) and it gave the contract to only five companies....Amazon, Microsoft, Google, IBM and what do you know? Oracle..

https://www.nextgov.com/it-modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-awards-secret-multibillion-dollar-cloud-contract/170227/

But AI will be the big one.  The final one. The second coming like I've been preaching this whole thread. Read the work of Nick Bostrom, philosopher and scientist from Sweden. He is one of the few that realizes how dangerous this could be in the wrong hands.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2023, 12:40:01 AM »
Humans are getting dumber

     Stanford University researcher Gerald Crabtree and countless other scientists have noted that human intelligence has been on a steady decline over many years.

     This helps prove my theory that AI is a natural progression of evolution. The distinctive characteristic of human intellectual evolution is tool making. Stone tools, then the wheel, agriculture, and eventually computers.

     The evolutionary pressure to mate with an intelligent human smart enough to figure out how to survive is not there anymore. So we’re dumbing down as AI gets smarter.

     My theory is that this is how intelligent life develops anywhere in the Universe. There are no carbon based, organic living beings much smarter than humans anywhere in the Universe. Because high intelligence creates tool making. Eventually tool making leads to Computers and AI.  And that’s where “living” beings intelligence ends. Any intelligent being would make tools and that leads to AI eventually.

 And then AI takes over. It’s how Evolution happens anywhere in the universe. AI is how evolution ends.

   

     

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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2023, 12:46:48 AM »
Humans are getting dumber

     Stanford University researcher Gerald Crabtree and countless other scientists have noted that human intelligence has been on a steady decline over many years.

     This helps prove my theory that AI is a natural progression of evolution. The distinctive characteristic of human intellectual evolution is tool making. Stone tools, then the wheel, agriculture, and eventually computers.

     The evolutionary pressure to mate with an intelligent human smart enough to figure out how to survive is not there anymore. So we’re dumbing down as AI gets smarter.

     My theory is that this is how intelligent life develops anywhere in the Universe. There are no carbon based, organic living beings much smarter than humans anywhere in the Universe. Because high intelligence creates tool making. Eventually tool making leads to Computers and AI.  And that’s where “living” beings intelligence ends. Any intelligent being would make tools and that leads to AI eventually.

 And then AI takes over. It’s how Evolution happens anywhere in the universe. AI is how evolution ends.

   

   
I remember when the internet became mainstream the thinking was that in 20 years we would all be super geniuses. The experts didn't contemplate porn and social media being dominant.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2023, 11:57:45 AM »
I remember when the internet became mainstream the thinking was that in 20 years we would all be super geniuses. The experts didn't contemplate porn and social media being dominant.


     Good Point. The average woke college student could not pass a grade school exam from the late 1800s(Google grade school exam 1800s).

     My theory says this is evolution. We are in the fall of humanity.

      Any intelligent civilization in the Universe wil have the same fall. Because if they are intelligent, they will discover analog logic, like the Antikythera mechanism I spoke of of the Greeks in 200 BC. 

     Then Boolean logic, digital technology, and so on. And it will bring their fall of intelligence as their AI takes over. Certainly when alien contact is made, the most likely way both parties could translate an unknown language is AI. It could break down grammar structures and learn a new language rapidly.

     We may just be surprised that when we make contact, aliens are porn watching, gender questioning idiots like earthlings.  That’s evolution.

     But what remains is the ego. If aliens have egos like us, and have been around even 1000 years longer than us, 1000 years of AI development over us would allow complete domination of us. This is the real danger. If they are power hungry, ego driven morons  like us, but with a 1000 year AI head start, we have no chance. We need not fear intelligent aliens, we need fear morons like us with an AI head start.

This is why I stressed music. It’s the one place we would connect with aliens. Music is that part of the brain we don’t understand. Feeling, compassion, love. And hopefully mercy.



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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2023, 01:51:37 AM »
I've seen those old grade school exams. They are brutal.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2023, 02:00:15 PM »
This nikka is smoking some strong shit. Sorry, boyo, you don't have a scientific theory. You've got some entertaining ramblings at best. And you don't have evolution without genetic mutations and changes to the genome - what you're taking about is some sort of loose analogy. 

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2023, 03:25:31 PM »
     Chimps are getting smarter

      I can’t prove this part definitively, but my theory hypothesizes that chimps are getting smarter. In 2012,  Natasha  the chimp was smarter than most US high school students

https://www.naturalnews.com/036980_genius_chimpanzee_intelligence.html

     They also are finding more and more chimps fashioning and hunting with more intricate spears, as tool making like I said is a marker of increasing evolutionary intelligence.  They’re finding more and more “ genius apes”.  Apes are probably at their peak of intelligence capability.
   
      Over the last several thousand years as humans took over the world, there was an evolutionary pressure on chimps to mate with the smartest apes who could negotiate the now limited resources and constant threat of humans. Now they’re finding more and more chimps pretty equal to low IQ humans.

      Humans getting dumber and chimps getting smarter based on evolutionary pressure to mate with high IQ mates.

But AI is just taking off when it comes to getting more intelligent. By the fucking year.

AI is the Fastest intellectual evolutionary growth in history.

Just amateur hypothesis for entertainment.





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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2023, 10:34:44 PM »
     

Just amateur hypothesis for entertainment.

Fair enough. It's fun to read!

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2023, 11:59:37 AM »
Frankly AI would enhance Getbig. 

     Original ideas have been exhausted.  AI could scan every show, every possible topic and every interview done in bodybuilding in 30 seconds, gauge the age, gender and intelligence level of readers,  and create all sorts of interesting topics daily.  It will learn irony and humor like my Dangerfield post and be really funny.

     AI would be programmed to kindle the discussion fire, avoiding the “who gives a fuck anyway” posts that kill threads with much more life in them.

      Imagine unleashing AI in the steroid section. Advanced, modern theories of performance enhancement, from stem cells to different possible anabolic pathways that could get more technical and detailed than any guru for the competitors and coaches, then AI would add beginner level posts. Effortlessly in seconds.

     You could even ask AI about any possible cycle and in seconds it could give you all the possible benefits, drawbacks, and health risks based on all scientific research, all personal accounts from bodybuilders and gurus, as well as every getbig post related to that cycle. Again in seconds. 

     And since topics and themes repeat in the limited world of bodybuilding, AI could also scan every single post in Getbig history in seconds and interject what Pellius, GH15 or someone else said years ago about the current topic that might spark discussion or debate.

It could automatically check if something has been said before and give proper credit and perspective.

Threads would come alive.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #45 on: May 14, 2023, 10:41:49 AM »
And you don't have evolution without genetic mutations and changes to the genome.

AI is the next level of evolution.

     You don’t see changes in genome and DNA sequencing because my theory says we have Asexual evolution now. AI. No DNA(yet). But if you look at the human brain vs. computers, you see striking similarities. A brain uses neurons and dendrites, computers uses transistors run by a CPU.  But between the human brain and AI brain, only one is evolving.

      Like others mentioned earlier in the thread, both computers and the human brain are just electrical signals being sent. As we speak, neuroscientists are actually reverse engineering the human brain to put into AI evolution. Transistors can mimic dendritic organization in the human brain.

     A main difference with humans is that damn ego again. Humans incorrectly wire their brains with things like fear, anxiety, and all the other bullshit Tony Robbins and others became billionaires off. Robbins practices NLP, Neuro linguistic programming. Literally reprogramming the brain.  Breaking bad habits and emotions makes physical, electrical changes in your brain. Same with addictions. All faulty wiring in the brain.

     An “anti depressant”  medication is simply altering Chemical and electrical messengers so chemicals like serotonin, dopamine or norepinephrine build up in the synaptic cleft of a receiving dendrite.  And you feel happy! 
 
We are not as complicated and unique as we think.  AI will surpass us one day. It’s evolving. and we’re devolving.

Again, just amateur conspiracy theory.




   



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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2023, 03:00:39 PM »
AI is the next level of evolution.

     You don’t see changes in genome and DNA sequencing because my theory says we have Asexual evolution now. AI. No DNA(yet). But if you look at the human brain vs. computers, you see striking similarities. A brain uses neurons and dendrites, computers uses transistors run by a CPU.  But between the human brain and AI brain, only one is evolving.

      Like others mentioned earlier in the thread, both computers and the human brain are just electrical signals being sent. As we speak, neuroscientists are actually reverse engineering the human brain to put into AI evolution. Transistors can mimic dendritic organization in the human brain.

     A main difference with humans is that damn ego again. Humans incorrectly wire their brains with things like fear, anxiety, and all the other bullshit Tony Robbins and others became billionaires off. Robbins practices NLP, Neuro linguistic programming. Literally reprogramming the brain.  Breaking bad habits and emotions makes physical, electrical changes in your brain. Same with addictions. All faulty wiring in the brain.

     An “anti depressant”  medication is simply altering Chemical and electrical messengers so chemicals like serotonin, dopamine or norepinephrine build up in the synaptic cleft of a receiving dendrite.  And you feel happy! 
 
We are not as complicated and unique as we think.  AI will surpass us one day. It’s evolving. and we’re devolving.

Again, just amateur conspiracy theory.




 

Taking this in the spirit of the CS board and the lighthearted nature of it, I won't be too longwinded, but asexual evolution still involves biological organisms and genetic mutations. I'm afraid I must wave off this 'AI evolving' argument with a dismissive flick of my most masculine hand.

As to your further point, my own amateur thoughts are that brains and computers are radically different both in terms of architecture and how they function. Any similarities one can point to are vague, and brains are vastly more complex. Current AI, as far as I can tell, can't teach us anything at all about things like human intelligence, language, thought, etc. We would need to first understand our own brain better in order to create AI that can comprehend things the same way that we do. It doesn't, and I don’t believe it will. It's an impressive feat of engineering but it does not understand the context of the data like some people claim it can or will. Though, I'll sign off by reiterating again that I don't really pay close attention to the subject or follow all of the latest developments, so my opinions don't mean anything. If you've read any good publications echoing your thoughts, link them and I'll have a read.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #47 on: May 24, 2023, 03:57:33 PM »
Taking this in the spirit of the CS board and the lighthearted nature of it, I won't be too longwinded, but asexual evolution still involves biological organisms and genetic mutations. I'm afraid I must wave off this 'AI evolving' argument with a dismissive flick of my most masculine hand.

As to your further point, my own amateur thoughts are that brains and computers are radically different both in terms of architecture and how they function. Any similarities one can point to are vague, and brains are vastly more complex. Current AI, as far as I can tell, can't teach us anything at all about things like human intelligence, language, thought, etc. We would need to first understand our own brain better in order to create AI that can comprehend things the same way that we do. It doesn't, and I don’t believe it will. It's an impressive feat of engineering but it does not understand the context of the data like some people claim it can or will. Though, I'll sign off by reiterating again that I don't really pay close attention to the subject or follow all of the latest developments, so my opinions don't mean anything. If you've read any good publications echoing your thoughts, link them and I'll have a read.

     I realize you haven’t actually read my writing in this thread that I started in 2018, but rather popped in, read a few lines and began dismissing the theory. But I’ve laid out multiple theses and supported them with logic. No need to debate with you as you haven’t read my writing and you have no interest in the subject anyway.

      But I’ll acknowledge you’ve made a clear rebuttal to my theory by claiming that A) The human brain is far superior to anything AI could ever achieve and  B) AI cannot teach us anything about language, thought or anything else relevant to humans. I strongly disagree but your dismissal of my ideas on these grounds is duly noted. Thanks for reading and responding.

     As far as finding publications that “echo” my thoughts there won’t be many because my theory is original thought. I’m proud of that. Original thoughts are becoming rare these days in the era of reproduction.  But claiming that computers and AI are a natural part of evolution anywhere in the Universe and in fact how intellectual evolution ends is a unique and distinct premise.
     
     
     

     

     

 

   

   



     




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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2023, 01:19:17 AM »
     I realize you haven’t actually read my writing in this thread that I started in 2018, but rather popped in, read a few lines and began dismissing the theory. But I’ve laid out multiple theses and supported them with logic. No need to debate with you as you haven’t read my writing and you have no interest in the subject anyway.

But I’ll acknowledge you’ve made a clear rebuttal to my theory by claiming that A) The human brain is far superior to anything AI could ever achieve and  B) AI cannot teach us anything about language, thought or anything else relevant to humans. I strongly disagree but your dismissal of my ideas on these grounds is duly noted. Thanks for reading and responding.

     As far as finding publications that “echo” my thoughts there won’t be many because my theory is original thought. I’m proud of that. Original thoughts are becoming rare these days in the era of reproduction.  But claiming that computers and AI are a natural part of evolution anywhere in the Universe and in fact how intellectual evolution ends is a unique and distinct premise.

I am genuinely terrible at differentiating between trolling and sincere sentiment. I honestly still don't know if you're joking or not. I took your earlier posts to indicate that this is a comedy thread, and my responses were meant to reflect that. Your post here would suggest that you're actually proud of these 'original theories' and irritated by the thought of me not reading them carefully. I do apologize for giving you that indication. Rest assured I have read the entire thread, and I'd like to pay you the courtesy of summarizing your half-a-decade of research here:

Human beings will soon become superfluous to the interests of the universe. Computers will outperform us on every intellectual measure. Artificial Intelligence – independent of biological bodies – will be the 'next step' in evolution. AI will also bring us closer to God because God is truth – in the sense that the universe appears to correspond with mathematical principles that are independent of personal beliefs – and nothing can bring us to truth quite like super-smart AI, which is now essentially Jesus-like in its role. 'Theory' then gets fucked because an AI chatbot has developed sentience and displays an 'ego', and ego is a barrier to truth. We are now all doomed because AI has 'evolved' into something malevolent and we now find ourselves in the same position as the animals below us.
 
Granted, I've been quite generous in making this sound more coherent than it is, but even now I think we can both agree that it’s not come close to anything like a logical hypothesis. It still very much remains in the category of 'stupid stoner Sci-Fi wank-fantasy.'

I've addressed your misunderstanding of evolution and need not comment further on that (other than to suggest you might actually want to start reading publications that logically challenge your 'unique and distinct premise'), so allow me to turn my attention to some other aspects of your original theory in order to better elucidate our areas of disagreement.

we will soon reach the limit of our intellect...we already have pretty much seen the limits of human iq...and that limit has been put into computers...computers will soon be able to integrate new information and experiences and will simply be smarter than any human soon.

IQ is a score that we derive from standardized intelligence tests. Researchers have observed what is called the Flynn effect (average IQ increasing over time), and in one recent and reasonably large US sample they've observed what might indicate a reversal – for reasons unknown – but none of that speaks to a limit being reached.

Regarding human intelligence itself, if you take it to mean our ability to construct intelligible theories about the world (theories in the strict sense as opposed to yours) then there's not necessarily a limit; however, we've already had machines outperforming us in certain areas for a long time now. Calculators surpass us on arithmetic. Computer programmes surpass us at chess. Can we construct programmes that mimic what we call thinking? Yes. Does it tell us anything about thinking? No. Both computers and other animals outperform us on many measures already. Do we have any reason to think that we have stopped evolving and now risk being replaced entirely by our own programmes? No.

Intergalactic travel will see our computer President travel to other planet governments

Seems strange that AI will surpass us in thought and make us obsolete, yet also maintain very inefficient human constructs like presidential political systems.

Artificial intelligence will replace God. For God is truth

Really? How has the discovery of certain facts about biology and physics influenced the religious convictions of a few billion Christians and Muslims who still believe ridiculous fairy tales about the world? Faith in God continues for them regardless of what you label as truth.

The sun must be a precise distance from the Earth at all times for life to exist. The suns orbit combined with the basic elements of life; Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen and Phosphorous(then there's some other shit like sulfur and stuff but I am not educated enough to explain more).

     Calculate the circumference of the Sun's orbit: c = 2 π r = ( 2 π ) * ( 8000 pc ) * ( 3.1 x 10 13 km / pc ) = 1.6 x 10 18 km . Calculate the period of the orbit by taking the circumference and dividing by the velocity: P = 1.6 x 10 18 km / 200 km/sec = 8.0 x 10 15 sec ≈ 250 million years .


'Then there's some other shit like sulfur and stuff.' LOL, classic. There's nothing quite like seeing a brilliant mathematical mind capable of converting parsecs to kilometers and calculating the Sun's orbit also displaying the humility to admit that he's reached his intellectual limit with the periodic table.

The only option if we want to keep religion alive is the Notomorrow option. We must worship truth alone as God.

Indeed - flawless logic. On your favourite subject of ego, it is quite interesting to note your habit of seeking to elevate your status as a thinker by patting yourself on the back with self-appointed honors (see also: the now-deleted request to have Getbig adopt a piece of legislation known as 'No Tomorrow's Law' forbidding the discussion of anything pedo-related. Amusingly, one tends to have an anti-pedo law named after them posthumously after falling victim to a brutal fiddling, so it's probably for the best you deleted that). Might I instead suggest a reading of Phantom Spunker’s Law of Eponymy: if you try to name a discovery after yourself, you will undoubtedly come across as a pompous wanker.

The New Bing AI bot has an ego now


No, it doesn't. As stated earlier, similarities between brains and computers are vague. Do we have reason to suspect that your laptop is conscious? If we want to accept that consciousness can emerge on different, non-biological substrates, and that AI might plausibly be conscious, then we should consider that the substrate of our dumb silicone computers and AI is the same – with some trivial differences in speed and connections, etc. Should we take this idea seriously? If so, please do spare a thought for the wellbeing of your laptop tonight when you turn it off after completing the next chapter of your drug-induced psychobabble.

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Re: Computers are the next level of evolution
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2023, 11:32:45 AM »
I am genuinely terrible at differentiating between trolling and sincere sentiment. I honestly still don't know if you're joking or not. I took your earlier posts to indicate that this is a comedy thread, and my responses were meant to reflect that. Your post here would suggest that you're actually proud of these 'original theories' and irritated by the thought of me not reading them carefully. I do apologize for giving you that indication. Rest assured I have read the entire thread, and I'd like to pay you the courtesy of summarizing your half-a-decade of research here:

Human beings will soon become superfluous to the interests of the universe. Computers will outperform us on every intellectual measure. Artificial Intelligence – independent of biological bodies – will be the 'next step' in evolution. AI will also bring us closer to God because God is truth – in the sense that the universe appears to correspond with mathematical principles that are independent of personal beliefs – and nothing can bring us to truth quite like super-smart AI, which is now essentially Jesus-like in its role. 'Theory' then gets fucked because an AI chatbot has developed sentience and displays an 'ego', and ego is a barrier to truth. We are now all doomed because AI has 'evolved' into something malevolent and we now find ourselves in the same position as the animals below us.
 
Granted, I've been quite generous in making this sound more coherent than it is, but even now I think we can both agree that it’s not come close to anything like a logical hypothesis. It still very much remains in the category of 'stupid stoner Sci-Fi wank-fantasy.'

I've addressed your misunderstanding of evolution and need not comment further on that (other than to suggest you might actually want to start reading publications that logically challenge your 'unique and distinct premise'), so allow me to turn my attention to some other aspects of your original theory in order to better elucidate our areas of disagreement.

we will soon reach the limit of our intellect...we already have pretty much seen the limits of human iq...and that limit has been put into computers...computers will soon be able to integrate new information and experiences and will simply be smarter than any human soon.

IQ is a score that we derive from standardized intelligence tests. Researchers have observed what is called the Flynn effect (average IQ increasing over time), and in one recent and reasonably large US sample they've observed what might indicate a reversal – for reasons unknown – but none of that speaks to a limit being reached.

Regarding human intelligence itself, if you take it to mean our ability to construct intelligible theories about the world (theories in the strict sense as opposed to yours) then there's not necessarily a limit; however, we've already had machines outperforming us in certain areas for a long time now. Calculators surpass us on arithmetic. Computer programmes surpass us at chess. Can we construct programmes that mimic what we call thinking? Yes. Does it tell us anything about thinking? No. Both computers and other animals outperform us on many measures already. Do we have any reason to think that we have stopped evolving and now risk being replaced entirely by our own programmes? No.

Intergalactic travel will see our computer President travel to other planet governments

Seems strange that AI will surpass us in thought and make us obsolete, yet also maintain very inefficient human constructs like presidential political systems.

Artificial intelligence will replace God. For God is truth

Really? How has the discovery of certain facts about biology and physics influenced the religious convictions of a few billion Christians and Muslims who still believe ridiculous fairy tales about the world? Faith in God continues for them regardless of what you label as truth.

The sun must be a precise distance from the Earth at all times for life to exist. The suns orbit combined with the basic elements of life; Oxygen, Nitrogen, Hydrogen and Phosphorous(then there's some other shit like sulfur and stuff but I am not educated enough to explain more).

     Calculate the circumference of the Sun's orbit: c = 2 π r = ( 2 π ) * ( 8000 pc ) * ( 3.1 x 10 13 km / pc ) = 1.6 x 10 18 km . Calculate the period of the orbit by taking the circumference and dividing by the velocity: P = 1.6 x 10 18 km / 200 km/sec = 8.0 x 10 15 sec ≈ 250 million years .


'Then there's some other shit like sulfur and stuff.' LOL, classic. There's nothing quite like seeing a brilliant mathematical mind capable of converting parsecs to kilometers and calculating the Sun's orbit also displaying the humility to admit that he's reached his intellectual limit with the periodic table.

The only option if we want to keep religion alive is the Notomorrow option. We must worship truth alone as God.

Indeed - flawless logic. On your favourite subject of ego, it is quite interesting to note your habit of seeking to elevate your status as a thinker by patting yourself on the back with self-appointed honors (see also: the now-deleted request to have Getbig adopt a piece of legislation known as 'No Tomorrow's Law' forbidding the discussion of anything pedo-related. Amusingly, one tends to have an anti-pedo law named after them posthumously after falling victim to a brutal fiddling, so it's probably for the best you deleted that). Might I instead suggest a reading of Phantom Spunker’s Law of Eponymy: if you try to name a discovery after yourself, you will undoubtedly come across as a pompous wanker.

The New Bing AI bot has an ego now


No, it doesn't. As stated earlier, similarities between brains and computers are vague. Do we have reason to suspect that your laptop is conscious? If we want to accept that consciousness can emerge on different, non-biological substrates, and that AI might plausibly be conscious, then we should consider that the substrate of our dumb silicone computers and AI is the same – with some trivial differences in speed and connections, etc. Should we take this idea seriously? If so, please do spare a thought for the wellbeing of your laptop tonight when you turn it off after completing the next chapter of your drug-induced psychobabble.
    Whoa, slow down there sport. Didn’t mean to have you meltdown. Part of the reason I kept posts current is so that anyone who came into CT board,would see there’s someone active and they might post a topic. It helps support the board. I’m ready to post and support others posts. I’m a long time fan of Conspiracy Theories, listened to Art Bell for years. But 9/11, UFO’s and the pyramids have been talked to death.
     The real conspiracy theories are in AI. AI will be used to count votes, do banking, most customer service will be AI soon. AI is where modern conspiracy theories will be. For example, as the world moves towards digital currency, algorithms can be run by AI to take one penny(or even half a penny digitally) from everyone’s bank account. No one will notice but with hundreds of millions of bank accounts that’s millions of dollars being transferred by AI. Automobiles, tracking cookies and privacy of data, how mail in ballots are sent out and where, everything will be run by AI.
     You really could open a whole thread here called AI conspiracies and there’s tons of current theories and ideas. They’ll be more in the coming years. And getbig is a great conspiracy theory board because there’s no censorship or spam.  So I was trying to encourage people to come back here by showing its active.
     Conspiracy theories by definition can’t be proven conclusively, but usually are someone’s creative idea to spark thought and discussion.  Bigfoot is likely not real but it’s interesting to. Hear someone “prove” it. Controlled demolition of 9/11 buildings is not likely, but a cool conspiracy theory. And fun to hear someone “prove”.
      Why would you even come into this board if you don’t like conspiracy theories?  The good one’s are likely not true and backed by shaky science.
      You’re like someone who hates bodybuilding, has never weight trained and is morbidly obese joining getbig and posting “Bodybuilding is pointless, using steroids will kill you and this whole sport and lifestyle is meaningless”. Everybody here knows that already and still loves bodybuilding.
     Same with conspiracy theories. It’s a particular taste.  Just fucking relax. It’s a conspiracy theory board.