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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #725 on: September 27, 2016, 09:45:30 AM »
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #726 on: September 27, 2016, 10:22:38 AM »

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #727 on: September 27, 2016, 10:25:51 AM »
Five Times Lester Holt Shilled for Hillary Clinton at First Debate
by JOEL B. POLLAK
26 Sep 2016

NBC News’ Lester Holt had his “Candy Crowley” moment at the first debate of the 2016 presidential election on Monday night, bowing to pressure from the Hillary Clinton campaign and the liberal media by “fact-checking” Republican nominee Donald Trump on the question of his support for the Iraq War.
Holt lived up to the expectations of his peers. But he lived down to the worst expectations of conservatives, who routinely see Republican candidates treated unfairly by debate moderators.

Again and again, Holt asked Trump tough questions that were straight from the Clinton campaign’s talking points, and which were obvious set-ups for Clinton to attack (and for fact-checkers to pounce on whatever Trump asserted in his own defense).

Here are the five worst examples.

Tax returns. Holt never asked Clinton about her e-mail scandal, about Benghazi, or about the Clinton Foundation and its dubious dealings. But he did ask Trump about his tax returns, arguing — not asking — that there might be questionable information in them that the American public deserved to hear.

Birther conspiracy theory. Holt never asked Clinton about her past record of racist statements, including her “super-predator” remarks as First Lady, or her explicit appeal to “white Americans” in her 2008 primary campaign against Obama. Yet he asked Trump about the Birther conspiracy theory and cast it as racist.

Stop-and-frisk. After an exchange between the candidates over the policy of “stop-and-frisk,” Holt interjected to bolster Clinton’s point by stating, erroneously, that stop-and-frisk had ended in New York because it had been declared unconstitutional by a court. Trump countered, correctly, that the new mayor had canceled the policy before the litigation was over.

“A presidential look.” Towards the end of the debate, Holt asked Trump about what he meant by saying Hillary Clinton did not have “a presidential look.” He did so after noting that Clinton had become “the first woman” to be nominated for president by a major political party, thus setting Trump up as a sexist. As Trump answered, Holt interrupted him, then gave Clinton a chance to respond with her talking points about Trump’s past comments on women.

Iraq War. The question of whether Trump supported the Iraq War or not has been widely debated. What is beyond doubt is that Hillary Clinton voted for it. Holt only represented one side of the debate about Trump, and never asked Clinton about her own vote.

In addition, the audience repeatedly interjected — almost always in Clinton’s favor — and Holt did not stop them, though it was against the rules. He only stopped the audience when there were cheers for Trump calling for Clinton’s emails.

Bow again, Lester Holt. You did your job.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/26/lester-holt-candy-crowley-moment-first-debate/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #728 on: September 27, 2016, 10:27:53 AM »
Link to the first debate:


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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #729 on: September 27, 2016, 10:51:00 AM »
Republicans blaming the moderators.  This is an old theme. 

Trump failed to capitalize on all of Hilary's scandals and the many openings she left for him.

He cared more about clarifying his position on Rosie O'Donnell, than he did about attacking her for deplorables, benghazi, emails, or other crimes. 

That's what this all comes down to... He has a TV show mindset, where it's all about feuds and battles and owning and saving face.  She has the presidential mindset.   Her positions on taxes and obamacare suck - but she acted presidential.  And he did not.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #730 on: September 27, 2016, 10:54:04 AM »
Hillary called Trump "sexist" "racist" and "crazy" etc.

Trump called her Secretary Clinton all night.

If we are using Obama as the standard of "Presidential" then Hillary WAS acting presidential.
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #731 on: September 27, 2016, 11:09:29 AM »
NAFTA Fraud

Presidential hopeful Donald Trump may be flip flopping a bit on some issues; but on at least one vital one that should concern anyone who lives in this country, he is absolutely right (read: left) on: NAFTA. Mr. Trump’s statements have been unequivocal regarding the so-called ‘North American Free Trade Agreement.’ He calls it what it is: “a disaster.”

Trump recalls Perot

In the 1992 Presidential debates, both the Democrat Clinton and the Republican Bush I were solidly behind NAFTA, the so-called North American Free Trade Agreement. Like most duplicitous trade agreements, it was good for the bottom lines of giant corporations like Wal-mart, General Electric, Monsanto and General Motors, while it was terrible for American workers. Independent candidate Ross Perot was the only one unafraid to speak truth to power, well represented that debate night by the NWO’s hand-picked Bush and Clinton puppets.

Perot warned Americans of what the passage of NAFTA would bring: “That giant sucking sound you’ll hear,” he said, in his high-pitched Texas twang, “is the sound of all those American jobs going to Mexico.” Perot was exactly right, of course.

Phoney Lefty Slick Willie Clinton

After Clinton was elected in 1992, he spearheaded NAFTA into law for his world bank paymasters. Several million Americans quickly lost their manufacturing jobs, American family farms began to fail by the millions and were quickly gobbled up by corporations forming their awful factory farms. Meanwhile, Mexico’s own jobs, especially those of its farmers, were also destroyed, because like the U.S., they no longer had their centuries’ old tariffs in place to protect their local economies. The collapse of Mexico’s economy led to the mass exodus that has become the enormous problem of illegal immigration. The loss of those manufacturing jobs, of course, also led to American families loss of spending power, which also hastened the gutting of local economies. Clinton simply finished the job Bush I had announced with his infamous “New World Order” speech. The horrors of “globalization” rapidly began turning America into a third-world country. We’ve been racing toward the bottom ever since. The federal government has grown exponentially as states have been forced to cede more and more power due to their economic losses courtesy of NAFTA.

NAFTA Gold Standard Test for Democratic Party

NAFTA was always the gold standard test for the party of the working people, which, in sane times, was traditionally the democrats. But then slick Willie Clinton gave the lie to all the old nomenclature when he rammed NAFTA through. It should have been crystal clear then to anyone not blinded by partisan lunacy that he was, in fact, a good Republican in Democrat clothing. Obama continued the lie of the phony leftists by fully supporting NAFTA as well, and by supporting even worse trade arrangements, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Hillary Clinton as first lady actually held propaganda meetings to support NAFTA. The Hill creature is solidly behind NAFTA now, proving once and for all that these party tags of ‘Democrat’ or ‘Republican’ are, for all purposes, completely meaningless.

Into this breech, meanwhile, comes Republican Presidential front runner Donald Trump. As a “good” Republican, the party of corporate control, the Donald, by affiliation, should be solidly behind NAFTA. But here is what Trump said about NAFTA in a CBS ’60 Minutes’ interview in October 2016:

NAFTA Fraud

“It’s a disaster. … We will either renegotiate it, or we will break it. Because, you know, every agreement has an end. … Every agreement has to be fair. Every agreement has a defraud clause. We’re being defrauded by all these countries.”

Fraud is what NAFTA is and always has been. Fox Noise, MSNBC and other phony “right” and phony “left” news outlets may try to tell us that every other thing out of Mr. Trump’s mouth contradicts what came before, but as far as NAFTA goes, Trump is the only candidate on the so-called “right (Sanders the only one on the so-called “left”) who is speaking truth to power.

Beware the pro-NAFTA “news” analysis paid for by the corporations that own the news outlets, including NPR, which before George Bush made it a government-apologist mouthpiece, used to have some merit. (NPR has openly admitted to broadcasting propaganda for the Pentagon during the Vietnam War, among other countless transgressions.) NAFTA is a disaster, for America AND for Mexico.

NAFTA on Steroids

It’s time to pay attention, folks. There’s something even worse than NAFTA on the way. The Trans-Pacific Partnership is NAFTA on steroids. Please read about it, get properly mad, and write your Congressional reps and then vote for somebody who will do something about these anti-American agreements rapidly destroying our country and our way of life.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #732 on: September 27, 2016, 11:45:32 AM »
Hillary denied saying the TPP is the "Gold Standard" in the Debte last night:


Hillary Clinton Praises TPP As “Gold Standard In Free Trade Agreements”





She denied that she said exactly this. She just told a bold faced lie to MILLIONS of Americans.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #733 on: September 27, 2016, 12:51:00 PM »
Hillary denied saying the TPP is the "Gold Standard" in the Debte last night:


Hillary Clinton Praises TPP As “Gold Standard In Free Trade Agreements”





She denied that she said exactly this. She just told a bold faced lie to MILLIONS of Americans.

Pretty clear, now, NAFTA and TPP (TPPA) serve as a two punch combination.  NAFTA weakened America in just the "right" way to create the path for TPPA.

So no one had better say Bill Clinton "didn't know" what he was assisting and quite frankly spearheading as THE voice for the shady characters behind NAFTA. 

He lied like a champ throughout the whole thing, then.  He is a liar, and now he wants his wife to finish the job of lying to us.  Bottom line: Clinton = Lies.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #734 on: September 28, 2016, 04:07:05 PM »
LA Times:  Trump 46, Clinton 42, 2673 respondents. 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #735 on: September 28, 2016, 06:19:09 PM »
LA Times:  Trump 46, Clinton 42, 2673 respondents. 

http://www.latimes.com/politics/

Nothing new here. The L.A. Times has had Trump in the lead since day one. The L.A. Times is the outlier.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #736 on: September 28, 2016, 06:28:56 PM »
Nothing new here. The L.A. Times has had Trump in the lead since day one. The L.A. Times is the outlier.

No they haven't.  If you actually click the link it shows when Clinton was ahead. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #737 on: September 28, 2016, 06:32:56 PM »
The LA Times hasn't had Trump in the lead, but they do self admit that their poll is right leaning. So they expect it to pull for Trump more so than other polls.

They wrote a big thing on why.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #738 on: September 28, 2016, 06:38:30 PM »
The LA Times hasn't had Trump in the lead, but they do self admit that their poll is right leaning. So they expect it to pull for Trump more so than other polls.

They wrote a big thing on why.

Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #739 on: September 28, 2016, 06:41:19 PM »
Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 
They have stated it probably is because...



http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html


Typically, polls ask people which candidate they favor or lean toward. Those who say they don’t know or are undecided don’t get factored into calculations of candidate support.

The Daybreak poll, by contrast, asks voters, using a 0-to-100 scale, to rate their chances of voting for Clinton, for Trump or for some other candidate. As a result, everyone who responds to the survey has some impact on the results. Because that approach gathers information from everyone in the poll sample, it should give a better read on the many voters who remain ambivalent about their choices.

Using the 0-to-100 scale, however, almost certainly makes the Daybreak poll differ somewhat from other surveys. As with the bounce, any difference that results should shrink as election day gets closer and voters become more certain of their choices.

Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics — the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #740 on: September 28, 2016, 06:53:32 PM »
They have stated it probably is because...



http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-polling-differences-20160809-snap-story.html


Typically, polls ask people which candidate they favor or lean toward. Those who say they don’t know or are undecided don’t get factored into calculations of candidate support.

The Daybreak poll, by contrast, asks voters, using a 0-to-100 scale, to rate their chances of voting for Clinton, for Trump or for some other candidate. As a result, everyone who responds to the survey has some impact on the results. Because that approach gathers information from everyone in the poll sample, it should give a better read on the many voters who remain ambivalent about their choices.

Using the 0-to-100 scale, however, almost certainly makes the Daybreak poll differ somewhat from other surveys. As with the bounce, any difference that results should shrink as election day gets closer and voters become more certain of their choices.

Finally, some analysts think the Daybreak poll is slightly tilted toward the Republican side because of how it accounts for the way people voted in the last election.

All pollsters weight their results somewhat to make sure their samples match known demographics — the right proportions of men and women, for example, or blacks, whites and Latinos.

The Daybreak poll goes a step further and weights the sample to account for how people say they voted in 2012: It’s set so that 25% of the sample are voters who say they cast a ballot for Mitt Romney and 27% for President Obama. The rest are either too young to have voted four years ago or say they didn’t vote.

The potential problem is that people tend to fib about how they voted. Polls have often found that the percentage of people who say after an election that they voted for the winner exceeds the winner’s actual vote.

If that’s the case this year, then weighting for the vote history would result in slightly too many Republican voters in the sample, which would probably boost Trump’s standing by a point or two.

Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #741 on: September 28, 2016, 06:55:31 PM »
Pretty big nationwide sample, so not sure how it is "right leaning," unless they have a disproportionate number of conservative and/or Republican respondents. 

538 says to take the LA times number, add 6 points for hilary, and you have the RCP national average.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

nuff said.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #742 on: September 28, 2016, 06:58:51 PM »
Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.

They assign some value to how people report they voted in 2012.  As a result, the repub always gets a 6 point boost.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/upshot/a-favorable-poll-for-donald-trump-has-a-major-problem.html?_r=0


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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #743 on: September 28, 2016, 07:43:03 PM »
Thanks.  They don't admit their poll is right leaning.  They say "some analysts" think it might be.  Their own conclusion is that the way they weight the poll might give Trump a 1 or 2 point boost.  Not enough to discredit the poll IMO. 

Different subject, I had a discussion with someone who works for the Hillary campaign yesterday and used the Koch line about not wanting to choose between cancer and a heart attack and that I was voting for Gary Johnson.  This lady then called me stupid, racist, and sexist.  I was literally laughing out loud.  Some real true believers out there.

It's probably right leaning, but I don't think that makes it bad information. The way they did the poll is different, but it lends itself to some real world ideas. Nothing wrong with that.

Racist and sexist?

She sounds ridiculous. All of the candidates are white!

Sexist because you don't think Hillary is a good candidate? That's a big part of what's wrong with the Only Hillary clowns.

I too was talking to a woman who told me something along the lines of "If Hillary isn't the nominee, then I know that men are keeping her down."

Me asking her if it wasn't possible that maybe she just isn't what people really want to lead them didn't sit to well.

She totally got mad when I brought up the DNC emails about trying to bury Sanders when that stuff came out.

Some people are just delusional and have to make any excuse for why you don't like their candidate.

They can't handle anything rational and just have to make it about some kind of bigotry.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #744 on: September 29, 2016, 02:35:25 AM »
NEW National @TheIJR/@Google_Surveys Post-Debate Poll
Trump 46 (+2)
Clinton 44
Johnson 4

+3% toward Trump in a week
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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #745 on: September 29, 2016, 08:39:02 AM »
Poll: Hillary Clinton has the edge among people planning to skip election

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/

Hillary Clinton has the edge among people who aren’t planning to vote in November’s election, according to a new Bloomberg Politics national poll.

The survey found 38 people of people not intending to vote support Clinton while 27 percent of them back Donald Trump if they decided to cast a ballot.

Clinton could also benefit if they can convince more non-white voters to turn out to the polls 40 days from now, the poll shows.



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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #746 on: September 29, 2016, 08:43:47 AM »
Poll: Hillary Clinton has the edge among people planning to skip election

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-has-the-edge-among-people-planning-to-skip-election/

Hillary Clinton has the edge among people who aren’t planning to vote in November’s election, according to a new Bloomberg Politics national poll.

The survey found 38 people of people not intending to vote support Clinton while 27 percent of them back Donald Trump if they decided to cast a ballot.

Clinton could also benefit if they can convince more non-white voters to turn out to the polls 40 days from now, the poll shows.



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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #747 on: September 29, 2016, 08:53:33 AM »
more bad news for 240..

I dont think I can vote for anyone in this election.  Johnson gets stupider every day.  Hilary and Trump are the same thing. 

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #748 on: September 29, 2016, 09:00:37 AM »
I dont think I can vote for anyone in this election.  Johnson gets stupider every day.  Hilary and Trump are the same thing. 

You are a liar.

Come election day you will vote for Hillary.

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Re: Election 2016
« Reply #749 on: September 29, 2016, 01:01:06 PM »
Rasmussen: Clinton Takes 1-Point Lead Over Trump
By Ritika Gupta   |    Thursday, 29 Sep 2016

Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are almost at par with each other in their White House race, after Monday night's debate, according to Rasmussen Reports' first daily White House Watch survey released Thursday.

The breakdown:

•Clinton: 42 percent;
•Trump: 41 percent;
•Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson: 7 percent;
•Green Party nominee Jill Stein: 2 percent;
•Other candidates: 3 percent;
•Undecided: 5 percent.

In last week's poll, before the presidential debate, Trump was ahead of Clinton by five points — 44 percent to 39 percent.
 
About 80 percent voters say they are sure which candidate they will vote for, of which Clinton and Trump are tied with 48 percent support each.

Among voters who think they might still change their minds, 34 percent voted for Clinton, 33 percent for Trump, 25 percent for Johnson and 8 percent for Stein.

The survey, which was conducted between Sept. 26 and 28, had 1,500 likely voters as respondents. The margin of sampling error is +/- 2.5 percentage points.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/rasmussen-clinton-leads-trump/2016/09/29/id/750875/#ixzz4Lg1qFNYn