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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2022, 08:42:40 AM »
As a centrist/liberal, DeSantis scares me.

What exactly are you scared of?
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2022, 09:10:51 AM »
What exactly are you scared of?

Obviously of him winning. I am simply saying he has a good chance of doing exactly that. I am way too on the liberal side to want DeSantis to be President, although even I am in a stage where I am trending more conservative on certain issues like law enforcement and immigration. My own internal pulse is part of my political g…dar along with the pulse of friends and acquaintances.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2022, 01:44:28 PM »
All of that is irrelevant considering the job he did as President and what he continues do as leader of the GOP. Both on the left and right he is/has exposed the Washington establishment for who they are. He continues to drain the swamp which is why, for no other reason they are desperately doing everything in their power to see he doesn’t run again. His record on winning endorsements is unheard of. He’s still the most powerful person in this country, hands down.

Hahahahaha  He continues to "drain the swamp"?  How?  By hiring them only to turn on them later?   ::) 

The Big Lie became The Rip Off and little retards like yourself went along with it.  You already admitted to putting Trump on auto debit each month but yet can't say what your money is being used for.  The Election Defense fund that he has been milking you idiots for was revealed to not even exist.  hahahaha  The funds for the Wall was a total scam.  And you can't even say how much Trumpy has even donated to other political candidates for the GOP. 

He's the laughing stock of the country.  Hands down.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2022, 02:36:39 PM »
Obviously of him winning. I am simply saying he has a good chance of doing exactly that. I am way too on the liberal side to want DeSantis to be President, although even I am in a stage where I am trending more conservative on certain issues like law enforcement and immigration. My own internal pulse is part of my political g…dar along with the pulse of friends and acquaintances.

What are you worried a DeSantis will do?

I want: strong borders with a more streamlined immigration process, lower taxes, less gov't over reach, strong military, education reform, healthcare reform, social programs that actually help people in a bind, no more identity politics, better elder care, being tough on crime, vaccine honesty, etc....

No candidate from either party will give me what I want, but DeSantis will come the closest, IMO.
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2022, 02:41:42 PM »
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2022, 04:12:30 PM »
What are you worried a DeSantis will do?

I want: strong borders with a more streamlined immigration process, lower taxes, less gov't over reach, strong military, education reform, healthcare reform, social programs that actually help people in a bind, no more identity politics, better elder care, being tough on crime, vaccine honesty, etc....

No candidate from either party will give me what I want, but DeSantis will come the closest, IMO.

DeSantis is a smarter version of Trump.  And it scares Trumpy.  I’d vote for DeSantis.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2022, 04:22:11 PM »
I voted for the guy twice but gradually realized that he's an abrasive, crazy blowhard. He did a great job as president but when he started turning on his friends and supporters I wrote him off..He cannot take constructive criticism or any kind of advice and I won't vote for him again.

Trump is a piece of shit just like the rest of them

A fraud

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2022, 05:24:26 PM »
Hahahahaha  He continues to "drain the swamp"?  How?  By hiring them only to turn on them later?   ::) 

The Big Lie became The Rip Off and little retards like yourself went along with it.  You already admitted to putting Trump on auto debit each month but yet can't say what your money is being used for.  The Election Defense fund that he has been milking you idiots for was revealed to not even exist.  hahahaha  The funds for the Wall was a total scam.  And you can't even say how much Trumpy has even donated to other political candidates for the GOP. 

He's the laughing stock of the country.  Hands down.

lol…lurker/Strawman back for another continued beating. Lol

28% approval lol

Hey Lurker/Straw..did you hear that Trump reached from the very back of the Beast only to grab the steering wheel? 😂

Let us know how that January 6th committee hearing is going..you did start a thread about it

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2022, 05:57:20 PM »
lol…lurker/Strawman back for another continued beating. Lol

28% approval lol

Hey Lurker/Straw..did you hear that Trump reached from the very back of the Beast only to grab the steering wheel? 😂

Let us know how that January 6th committee hearing is going..you did start a thread about it

Hey Todd, How is the donation for the new Trumpy plane coming along?  Do donors get an itemized statement showing how the money is spent?

You haven’t beaten anything yet Fragile X.  That spaghetti on the WH wall probably had more sentient reactions than you.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2022, 06:50:53 PM »
What are you worried a DeSantis will do?

I want: strong borders with a more streamlined immigration process, lower taxes, less gov't over reach, strong military, education reform, healthcare reform, social programs that actually help people in a bind, no more identity politics, better elder care, being tough on crime, vaccine honesty, etc....

No candidate from either party will give me what I want, but DeSantis will come the closest, IMO.

So I guess you are asking me why I am philosophically more a liberal than a conservative?? DeSantis is clearly a conservative and I believe a strong candidate. My point was I think conservatives, if they want to be successful, need to move on from Trump. The tide is turning in a conservative direction. Take advantage of that. Don’t go with someone that 55% to 60% of Americans can’t stand.

But you seem to be going beyond all that to ask me about my own positions. You will see way more Ls (for liberal) than Cs (for conservative) below, indicating that I veer toward being more liberal than conservative.

C Immigration. It needs to be reformed but LEGAL not ILLEGAL. Liberals have generally lost their way on this issue.

C Law enforcement. Liberals are keeping their heads in the sand regarding the crime problem. Plus we need to support, not undercut our law enforcement personnel.

C and L Foreign policy. I believe in a forceful foreign policy, and that the United States can lead. I often support interventions, even though we sometimes make a mess of it. This does not always map to one political party versus the other.

L Gun rights and gun control. I lean more liberal than conservative on this one but I respect that we have Amendment 2 in our Constitution. But I would not allow teenagers to purchase firearms and I would not allow the sale of assault weapons (as examples). I generally dislike conceal carry and I generally favor additional gun control legislation.

L Racism and related. Liberals have gone way overboard with all the “Woke” stuff. BUT I believe in confronting the fact that there was (and still is) racism in our history, including “systemic” racism. All the hubbub over teaching critical race theory (no one really knows what that is) upsets me because I see it as an outright denial of the warts in our history. History can be taught in a proud, patriotic way without sugar coating over the difficult aspects.

L Health care. I think our health care system in the US is an embarrassment and that Republicans have 100% failed at doing anything about it.

L Income inequality. Call me a little bit socialist if you will. But I believe in more fairness than we exhibit as a society

L Tolerance toward marginalized groups. Don’t wish to see discrimination against gays in the name of freedom of religion. Not scared of transgendered people (there are very few of them). More pro-choice than pro-life on abortion.

LL Climate change. Yes, with the Ukraine circumstances, maybe there is no choice but to open up the spigots and drill and refine. And I recognize the need for the West to be indepedendent. But have we forgotten that we are in the midst of endangering the planet. Badly endangering. We forget at great risk.

DeSantis is very conservative across the board and does not fit with most of my positions above. So now do you see why I would not want a Ron DeSantis presidency? But I am not angry at conservatives as so many here are angry angry angry at their liberal friends, family and neighbors. Both are ideologies that have been present forever and can be respected.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2022, 07:04:30 PM »
I can honestly say I've given zip. Not that they haven't tried to get my donation, because they have repeatedly. News flash Trump campaign managers, this is never going to happen.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2022, 07:34:09 PM »
Hey Todd, How is the donation for the new Trumpy plane coming along?  Do donors get an itemized statement showing how the money is spent?

You haven’t beaten anything yet Fragile X.  That spaghetti on the WH wall probably had more sentient reactions than you.

Fucking great. He’s 215-2 in endorsements and proving your January 6 fake committee wrong (as predicted), election audits still going on around the country. Roe v. Wade overturned (another promise kept)….and everything he said would happen under Biden has happened 10 fold. Should I go on? Best political investment made. Better return than the markets….oh wait, even those gains were completely wiped out lol

Oh, btw. Besides me being an NRA lifer and instructor, I also make regular contributions to them as well. Another wise investment

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #37 on: June 29, 2022, 08:11:42 PM »
So I guess you are asking me why I am philosophically more a liberal than a conservative?? DeSantis is clearly a conservative and I believe a strong candidate. My point was I think conservatives, if they want to be successful, need to move on from Trump. The tide is turning in a conservative direction. Take advantage of that. Don’t go with someone that 55% to 60% of Americans can’t stand.

But you seem to be going beyond all that to ask me about my own positions. You will see way more Ls (for liberal) than Cs (for conservative) below, indicating that I veer toward being more liberal than conservative.


C Immigration. It needs to be reformed but LEGAL not ILLEGAL. Liberals have generally lost their way on this issue.

C Law enforcement. Liberals are keeping their heads in the sand regarding the crime problem. Plus we need to support, not undercut our law enforcement personnel.

C and L Foreign policy. I believe in a forceful foreign policy, and that the United States can lead. I often support interventions, even though we sometimes make a mess of it. This does not always map to one political party versus the other.

L Gun rights and gun control. I lean more liberal than conservative on this one but I respect that we have Amendment 2 in our Constitution. But I would not allow teenagers to purchase firearms and I would not allow the sale of assault weapons (as examples). I generally dislike conceal carry and I generally favor additional gun control legislation.

L Racism and related. Liberals have gone way overboard with all the “Woke” stuff. BUT I believe in confronting the fact that there was (and still is) racism in our history, including “systemic” racism. All the hubbub over teaching critical race theory (no one really knows what that is) upsets me because I see it as an outright denial of the warts in our history. History can be taught in a proud, patriotic way without sugar coating over the difficult aspects.

L Health care. I think our health care system in the US is an embarrassment and that Republicans have 100% failed at doing anything about it.

L Income inequality. Call me a little bit socialist if you will. But I believe in more fairness than we exhibit as a society

L Tolerance toward marginalized groups. Don’t wish to see discrimination against gays in the name of freedom of religion. Not scared of transgendered people (there are very few of them). More pro-choice than pro-life on abortion.

LL Climate change. Yes, with the Ukraine circumstances, maybe there is no choice but to open up the spigots and drill and refine. And I recognize the need for the West to be indepedendent. But have we forgotten that we are in the midst of endangering the planet. Badly endangering. We forget at great risk.

DeSantis is very conservative across the board and does not fit with most of my positions above. So now do you see why I would not want a Ron DeSantis presidency? But I am not angry at conservatives as so many here are angry angry angry at their liberal friends, family and neighbors. Both are ideologies that have been present forever and can be respected.

This was a great response and much apprciated.  Your views a more classical liberal, which would put them close to an independent libertarianish person like myself.  I think DeSantis gives you the first three on your list and you'll laugh, but will promote tolerance to marginalized groups.

For gun control, you'll need to define "assault weapon".   If it's a semi auto AR 15, it's not going to happen, so not worth discussion.  The real way to combat the small number of sick people who do sick shit is to enable people to be able to stop them in real time. Most of the atrocities are from people who have gotten firearms legally and passed background checks, so I know of no other way.

As for health care, both parties have failed.  Obama had all three branches and came up with shit.

As for income inequality, not sure how you handle that.  Tech industry created some big gaps, I think, as more and more people made fast money.

As for Climate change, I have no answer.
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #38 on: June 29, 2022, 11:57:11 PM »
Fucking great. He’s 215-2 in endorsements and proving your January 6 fake committee wrong (as predicted), election audits still going on around the country. Roe v. Wade overturned (another promise kept)….and everything he said would happen under Biden has happened 10 fold. Should I go on? Best political investment made. Better return than the markets….oh wait, even those gains were completely wiped out lol

Oh, btw. Besides me being an NRA lifer and instructor, I also make regular contributions to them as well. Another wise investment

And when Trump offers his followers the 'Kool Aide' you will be first in line.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2022, 06:16:37 AM »
Trump pardoned a bunch of sleazy criminals and Silicon Valley fraudsters but didn't pardon his own supporters. 

He has no loyalty.  He doesn't deserve the support of honorable men.  Besides, he had his chance and he blew it.

The minute you contemplate his pardons, you'll realize that he doesn't deserve another dime.

I gave $55 the first time around, and I don't regret it, but that's all I'm going to give.
That’s true he threw his supporters under the bus and used his pardons on violent rappers! Pitiful

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2022, 07:00:08 AM »
This was a great response and much apprciated.  Your views a more classical liberal, which would put them close to an independent libertarianish person like myself.  I think DeSantis gives you the first three on your list and you'll laugh, but will promote tolerance to marginalized groups.

For gun control, you'll need to define "assault weapon".   If it's a semi auto AR 15, it's not going to happen, so not worth discussion.  The real way to combat the small number of sick people who do sick shit is to enable people to be able to stop them in real time. Most of the atrocities are from people who have gotten firearms legally and passed background checks, so I know of no other way.

As for health care, both parties have failed.  Obama had all three branches and came up with shit.

As for income inequality, not sure how you handle that.  Tech industry created some big gaps, I think, as more and more people made fast money.

As for Climate change, I have no answer.

I go back and forth on gun control and gun rights. There is Second Amendment and we are a nation of people on the frontier historically (still are in many areas) and I do not know much about the various types of firearms. Plus I somewhat agree with the statement “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” I feel both sides of the gun argument.

On health care, I totally disagree with you. The Democrats are at least trying different things. Republicans are 0 on this plus show hypocrisy making a huge fuss with no specific proposals anywhere in sight. I guess I would also agree with, “health care is a right, not a privilege,”.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2022, 07:17:01 AM »
Fucking great. He’s 215-2 in endorsements and proving your January 6 fake committee wrong (as predicted), election audits still going on around the country. Roe v. Wade overturned (another promise kept)….and everything he said would happen under Biden has happened 10 fold. Should I go on? Best political investment made. Better return than the markets….oh wait, even those gains were completely wiped out lol

Oh, btw. Besides me being an NRA lifer and instructor, I also make regular contributions to them as well. Another wise investment

^^  Proof that only stupid people think Trumpy is smart.  Even his own daughter doesn't believe his bullshit.

Again, you have no idea where your money goes because the grifter knows you are too stupid to ask.  That retard chamber on your shoulders is nothing more than a fleshlight repository for every CT that comes down the pipe to shoot a load in before moving on out to the pasture. 


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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2022, 07:27:14 AM »
I go back and forth on gun control and gun rights. There is Second Amendment and we are a nation of people on the frontier historically (still are in many areas) and I do not know much about the various types of firearms. Plus I somewhat agree with the statement “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.” I feel both sides of the gun argument.

On health care, I totally disagree with you. The Democrats are at least trying different things. Republicans are 0 on this plus show hypocrisy making a huge fuss with no specific proposals anywhere in sight. I guess I would also agree with, “health care is a right, not a privilege,”.

It's OK to go back and forth on gun control because it's complicated, and has no easy or practical fix.  I look at it simply - if the gov't has AR15s to protect itself, the people need the equivalent to keep the spirit of 2A alive.  If you want honesty, I did not want to abolish AR15s, but understood the argument they were not "necessary"......then, during the BLM riots when I saw the mob that had broken through and iron gate into a small community, and the two homeowners were on their property holding one, I changed my mind.  Saw in real time a real situation where that type of gun was necessary to protect a house.

Democrats are "trying" on healthcare, but nothing meaningful happened during Obama's eight years, and nothing with Biden.  I think they both suck.  We have a system that financially rewards sickness and need to promote more preventative care.
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2022, 08:00:41 AM »
Looks like DeSantis versus Pence in the 2024 primaries. My advice to conservatives: Go with DeSantis. The abortion issue would doom Pence in the Midwest. Of course, the best outcome for us Democrats is Trump who probably would lose in the general election (see article below, I know I know  “fake news”:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/30/gop-megadonors-turn-on-trump-look-for-2024-alternatives-after-jan-6-hearings.html

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2022, 08:10:43 AM »
Looks like DeSantis versus Pence in the 2024 primaries. My advice to conservatives: Go with DeSantis. The abortion issue would doom Pence in the Midwest. Of course, the best outcome for us Democrats is Trump who probably would lose in the general election (see article below, I know I know  “fake news”:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/30/gop-megadonors-turn-on-trump-look-for-2024-alternatives-after-jan-6-hearings.html

Is that the best outcome?  4 more years of Biden?  What would that give you in terms of your list?
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2022, 08:47:05 AM »
And when Trump offers his followers the 'Kool Aide' you will be first in line.

Mmmm..no. Maybe you didn’t read my previous post. Also, he made this country better and didn’t attempt to destroy it like we warned what would happen if Biden got in. Biden and his fake administration has literally destroyed EVERY sector of this country and it was done ON PURPOSE. Feel free to deny it then explain it

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #46 on: June 30, 2022, 08:48:03 AM »
Is that the best outcome?  4 more years of Biden?  What would that give you in terms of your list?

I know, we need a new crop of Democrats although I am not as down on Biden as many or most are. But I don’t want that crop to be Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren who are too far LEFT. But just because the Democrats have issues (as do the Republicans with their struggle over Trump), it DOES NOT push me to wanting a president as conservative as DeSantis. I have a friend who voted for Trump and who said he would vote for Amy Klobuchar if she ran again. I have not followed her much, but we need to eventually shake loose from the 80 year olds and find some new people.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2022, 08:56:27 AM »
I know, we need a new crop of Democrats although I am not as down on Biden as many or most are. But I don’t want that crop to be Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren who are too far LEFT. But just because the Democrats have issues (as do the Republicans with their struggle over Trump), it DOES NOT push me to wanting a president as conservative as DeSantis. I have a friend who voted for Trump and who said he would vote for Amy Klobuchar if she ran again. I have not followed her much, but we need to eventually shake loose from the 80 year olds and find some new people.

Agree on the age thing 100%.  Democrats need more Tulsi types.
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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2022, 09:01:39 AM »
Agree on the age thing 100%.  Democrats need more Tulsi types.

I predicted a Biden presidency when everyone thought I was crazy. I am at the point of almost being ready to predict a DeSantis presidency. It is hard for me to defend Biden (your question above) even though I want to defend him. But that does not change my opinion that America would RUN from Trump. DeSantis can grab quite a few people in the middle which Trump cannot.

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Re: How Much $$ Have You Given to the Trump Campagne?
« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2022, 09:51:04 AM »
I predicted a Biden presidency when everyone thought I was crazy. I am at the point of almost being ready to predict a DeSantis presidency. It is hard for me to defend Biden (your question above) even though I want to defend him. But that does not change my opinion that America would RUN from Trump. DeSantis can grab quite a few people in the middle which Trump cannot.

I don't think thinking a Biden presidency was crazy, it was basically an anti-Trump referendum.  I was unsure how the election would play out, could see either way.   I think Trump just blew it during Covid, by not taking a more "presidential" tone.  Without Covid, he wins easily IMO.

I think the only thing that stops DeSantis is Trump messing it up.
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