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I've seen several competitors with ripped physiques but their face is bloated/puffy and not sunken like we usually expect when one gets contest lean.
Reason?
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I've seen several competitors with ripped physiques but their face is bloated/puffy and not sunken like we usually expect when one gets contest lean.
Reason?
some guys get a lean face at lower bodyfat than others (see Flex Wheeler's face when at the '93 and 98 Arnold and at the 98 and 99 mr O and compare that to his other wins.. he was still 'lean', but not as lean as he needed to be to get his cheekbones popping.... same with Kevin Levrone). my face gets sucked in around 5-6%, especially around cheekbones and eyes... and the 'monkey-face' is more pronounced.
some guys can be 'contest ready' at 5% bf, not have a lean face, use diuretics for the show and have ripped physiques onstage with soft, thick cheeks/faces. See Nasser or matt duvall or craig titus.
of course, gh affects some guys faces and skin differently. some guys will get 'thicker' looking skin on it, especially around the face/cheeks/eyes.
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some guys get a lean face at lower bodyfat than others (see Flex Wheeler's face when at the '93 and 98 Arnold and at the 98 and 99 mr O and compare that to his other wins.. he was still 'lean', but not as lean as he needed to be to get his cheekbones popping.... same with Kevin Levrone). my face gets sucked in around 5-6%, especially around cheekbones and eyes... and the 'monkey-face' is more pronounced.
some guys can be 'contest ready' at 5% bf, not have a lean face, use diuretics for the show and have ripped physiques onstage with soft, thick cheeks/faces. See Nasser or matt duvall or craig titus.
of course, gh affects some guys faces and skin differently. some guys will get 'thicker' looking skin on it, especially around the face/cheeks/eyes.
This explains it very well. Thanks ESFitness. Good info indeed.
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I've seen several competitors with ripped physiques but their face is bloated/puffy and not sunken like we usually expect when one gets contest lean.
Reason?
long term slin use. A lot of these guys did not have puffy cheeks when they first started competing.
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Thanks OTH. Can you explain the reason behind slin usage and puffy face when rest of the body is pretty lean?
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Thanks OTH. Can you explain the reason behind slin usage and puffy face when rest of the body is pretty lean?
Visceral fat build up through out the years.
See I attend 15 shows a year so I see 1000 bodybuilders and talk to them and what I find is a lot of them are on slin but still have an EPIC LEAN FACE, i have never seen any regional competitor that comes in shredded with a bloat face. Why? the answer is because they have not used slin for that long at the regional level....
then I attend the pro shows where the norm is chipmonk cheeks and I am like WTF, so the only conclusion is that slin does not give you chubby cheeks instantly but gradually throughout years and here is how;
Slin drops any macro nutrient running in the blood stream right into the cells, particularly muscle cells, and organs including skin but unlike other hormones slin brings in any fat nutrients and carb nutrient along with the amino acid, so instead of bringing protein only it delvers fat.
Now picture a raw steak with white lines of fat running through it, this is more or less what a muscle would look like with visceral fat within the muscle, so a little of it may not hinder your look or change the shape or graininess of the muscle but a lot would and once that muscle has those white streaks of fat going through it, simple dieting will not eliminate that any more and your physique is ruined.
Now imagine the visceral fat inside of an organ and you get an idea why years and years of Slin use will result in CHIPMONK CHEEKS.
hth
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So for guys new to using slin with gh , what are "safe lower" dosages to use anywhere from 5-30ius ed gradually obviously....
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Thanks for the explanation OTH. Much appreciated the response.
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So for guys new to using slin with gh , what are "safe lower" dosages to use anywhere from 5-30ius ed gradually obviously....
Just use enough to keep blood sugar normal while on the gh
or don't dose the gh so high you have high blood sugar
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So for guys new to using slin with gh , what are "safe lower" dosages to use anywhere from 5-30ius ed gradually obviously....
use as much slin as you need to keep blood sugar under 105 when on gh.
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use as much slin as you need to keep blood sugar under 105 when on gh.
what do you need to test blood sugar and when and how should you be testing it... looking to grab a bunch of serostims not sure what dosage im going to run yet but i plan on using slin on and off while on it. was going to start with 5ius and work my way up to 15iu (slin) not looking for the mega dosed slin look
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So using slin (low dose when cutting with gh, etc.) when is optimal time for slin usage if only dosing once per day (slin) would it be post workout or pre? and say i were to use 5 iu insulin would that mean i would need 50 grams of carbs to offset any hypo sides? i know most guys use a whey shake with vitargo in it for example, how about something like up your mass taken post workout, or even a gatorade or is gatorade more used when shooting slin pre wo and sipping the gatorade throughout the workout?
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So using slin (low dose when cutting with gh, etc.) when is optimal time for slin usage if only dosing once per day (slin) would it be post workout or pre? and say i were to use 5 iu insulin would that mean i would need 50 grams of carbs to offset any hypo sides? i know most guys use a whey shake with vitargo in it for example, how about something like up your mass taken post workout, or even a gatorade or is gatorade more used when shooting slin pre wo and sipping the gatorade throughout the workout?
post meals
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post meals
assuming the poster you responded too meant he is dieting when he said ''cutting'' then posts meals would not be ideal for him. Some veterans can get away with this but not safe considering the low carb approach people take while dieting.
So I propose to concentrate the slin use in a single shot post workout with a quick sugary drink and a protein shake with all the nutrients stacked into it or a combined big shake followed by a meal. I know we always make fun of the ''anabolic window'' post workout but in this case the window is real lol. :D
I also do not recommend pre-workout slin while dieting cause it is easier to go hypo on a calorie deficit and pre-workout is an already ''proceed with caution approach'' so always play it safe.
Take in half of your 2 beverages before the slin then sip on the rest, then have a small meal.
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assuming the poster you responded too meant he is dieting when he said ''cutting'' then posts meals would not be ideal for him. Some veterans can get away with this but not safe considering the low carb approach people take while dieting.
So I propose to concentrate the slin use in a single shot post workout with a quick sugary drink and a protein shake with all the nutrients stacked into it or a combined big shake followed by a meal. I know we always make fun of the ''anabolic window'' post workout but in this case the window is real lol. :D
I also do not recommend pre-workout slin while dieting cause it is easier to go hypo on a calorie deficit and pre-workout is an already ''proceed with caution approach'' so always play it safe.
Take in half of your 2 beverages before the slin then sip on the rest, then have a small meal.
I was more thinking using it as a way to control blood sugar while on HGH
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assuming the poster you responded too meant he is dieting when he said ''cutting'' then posts meals would not be ideal for him. Some veterans can get away with this but not safe considering the low carb approach people take while dieting.
So I propose to concentrate the slin use in a single shot post workout with a quick sugary drink and a protein shake with all the nutrients stacked into it or a combined big shake followed by a meal. I know we always make fun of the ''anabolic window'' post workout but in this case the window is real lol. :D
I also do not recommend pre-workout slin while dieting cause it is easier to go hypo on a calorie deficit and pre-workout is an already ''proceed with caution approach'' so always play it safe.
Take in half of your 2 beverages before the slin then sip on the rest, then have a small meal.
What type of slin do you recommend with this one shot post workout approach?
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What type of slin do you recommend with this one shot post workout approach?
you want a fast acting humalog or something equivalent that is classified as ''rapid'' acting, the absolute best is novorapid insulin aspart.
Humilin R will work as well although it is a short acting insulin and not a rapid acting insulin, however there is very little difference, as the ''rapid'' acting slin ends in 3 and half hours and the humilin R ends in 5 hours.
Do not ever take this type of slin for a breakfast meal, in this case use a long acting insulin like humilin N.
Now back to the reasoning, well after a workout you want to act fast cause with slin- nutrients do get delivered better where the blood is being circulated, hence the pump is important, this is why you see guys with 22inch arms doing one arm preacher curls with 30lb. The more blood gorged into the muscle the more nutrient will be delivered by the post workout slin shot. Now you need a fast acting slin do give it the punch, a more concentrated shock of nutrients to drop from your blood stream to the muscle cell.
This is insulin 101 ;)
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Which is the best slin to get OTC in the states, i believe there is only that is available in the pharmacies? i may be wrong though, im a total slin newb. Im just looking for what you just mentioned the fast acting slin post workout to get the nutrients right into the muscle from a massive pump.
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Which is the best slin to get OTC in the states, i believe there is only that is available in the pharmacies? i may be wrong though, im a total slin newb. Im just looking for what you just mentioned the fast acting slin post workout to get the nutrients right into the muscle from a massive pump.
actual brand names will very depending where you live, so google rapid acting OTC insulin in the states and you will find all kinds of brands.
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actual brand names will very depending where you live, so google rapid acting OTC insulin in the states and you will find all kinds of brands.
since this thread turned into a slin thread (my bad) keep in mind everyone that 1ml = 100 IU's, never forget that, especially the guys who have done gh.
safety. very dangerous compound, do not recommend to anyone, Do all the research you can.
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looks like in my state can only get long acting slin otc not rapid or quick acting... sweet
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you want a fast acting humalog or something equivalent that is classified as ''rapid'' acting, the absolute best is novorapid insulin aspart.
Humilin R will work as well although it is a short acting insulin and not a rapid acting insulin, however there is very little difference, as the ''rapid'' acting slin ends in 3 and half hours and the humilin R ends in 5 hours.
Do not ever take this type of slin for a breakfast meal, in this case use a long acting insulin like humilin N.
Now back to the reasoning, well after a workout you want to act fast cause with slin- nutrients do get delivered better where the blood is being circulated, hence the pump is important, this is why you see guys with 22inch arms doing one arm preacher curls with 30lb. The more blood gorged into the muscle the more nutrient will be delivered by the post workout slin shot. Now you need a fast acting slin do give it the punch, a more concentrated shock of nutrients to drop from your blood stream to the muscle cell.
This is insulin 101 ;)
thanks mate, so how much humalin r or novarapid would you suggest for myself a first time user for that post workout shot? Does the Humalin R not peak again a couple of times necessitating a couple more carb meals in the proceeding hours?
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thanks mate, so how much humalin r or novarapid would you suggest for myself a first time user for that post workout shot? Does the Humalin R not peak again a couple of times necessitating a couple more carb meals in the proceeding hours?
you are good for a 10 iu shot since you are a big guy and know the ropes better, normally I would only encourage 5 iu for starters but you are good with 10
Now try and keep the slin shot within minutes of the workout then down a carb drink and a shake immediately to replenish glycogen and aminos in the blood, once the slin kicks in within 10-15 minutes it will start dropping your blood sugar levels and shuttle everything into your muscles. The key is to have a huge pump, then start eating your food, from here you have 3.5 hours of slin use so eat a lot but stay away from fat, grease and shit like that.
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you are good for a 10 iu shot since you are a big guy and know the ropes better, normally I would only encourage 5 iu for starters but you are good with 10
Now try and keep the slin shot within minutes of the workout then down a carb drink and a shake immediately to replenish glycogen and aminos in the blood, once the slin kicks in within 10-15 minutes it will start dropping your blood sugar levels and shuttle everything into your muscles. The key is to have a huge pump, then start eating your food, from here you have 3.5 hours of slin use so eat a lot but stay away from fat, grease and shit like that.
Any reason not to do it pre-workout?
I imagine fat gain would be higher
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you want a fast acting humalog or something equivalent that is classified as ''rapid'' acting, the absolute best is novorapid insulin aspart.
Humilin R will work as well although it is a short acting insulin and not a rapid acting insulin, however there is very little difference, as the ''rapid'' acting slin ends in 3 and half hours and the humilin R ends in 5 hours.
Do not ever take this type of slin for a breakfast meal, in this case use a long acting insulin like humilin N.
Now back to the reasoning, well after a workout you want to act fast cause with slin- nutrients do get delivered better where the blood is being circulated, hence the pump is important, this is why you see guys with 22inch arms doing one arm preacher curls with 30lb. The more blood gorged into the muscle the more nutrient will be delivered by the post workout slin shot. Now you need a fast acting slin do give it the punch, a more concentrated shock of nutrients to drop from your blood stream to the muscle cell.
This is insulin 101 ;)
this..
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Any reason not to do it pre-workout?
I imagine fat gain would be higher
actually pre-workout would be marginally better but first time users should keep it at post-workout first for a while.
So I do not recommend it for safety reasons, I mean if you go hypo and get light headed under the squat rack, it will not be good. So once you recognize all the feelings involved and are familiar with it you go pre-workout.
A quick pre-workout protocol from someone I know
A huge plate of rice with chicken and mixed vegetables, a huge glass of chocolate milk
drop 10 iu slin after the meal followed by a bowl of ice cream with a small energy drink
prepares his drinks, 2 drinks. Uses an arginine drink like no2 with juice and uses a whey isloates, 60 gram of protein.
He puts 10 grams of glutamine and 10 grams of bcaa and adds creatine as well, he stick these in either drink and uses two 700ml containers and sips away between sets on both drinks.
from the meal until the time he does his first set is roughly 45 minutes
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Solid info from oth.
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Solid info from oth.
Thanks :) I try. 8)
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Yeah cheers
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BTW going no carbs for a week and having extremely low blood sugar from no glycogen, from no carbs is a shitty feeling but make no mistake this is not the same feeling as going hypo and having your blood sugar levels crash from the slin, the 2 feelings are not even in the same ball park.
Hypo is no joke and it hits hard without the rest of your human biological functions being able to adapt in time so it brings light-headed and nausea, a very precise and distinct feeling, you will know when it happens and when it does drink sugar immediately.
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BTW going no carbs for a week and having extremely low blood sugar from no glycogen, from no carbs is a shitty feeling but make no mistake this is not the same feeling as going hypo and having your blood sugar levels crash from the slin, the 2 feelings are not even in the same ball park.
Hypo is no joke and it hits hard without the rest of your human biological functions being able to adapt in time so it brings light-headed and nausea, a very precise and distinct feeling, you will know when it happens and when it does drink sugar immediately.
Yes
It's like you're about to pass out. You start sweating and breathing very heavy and can't think straight
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Yes
It's like you're about to pass out. You start sweating and breathing very heavy and can't think straight
bingo, very scary feeling.
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cold sweat...tingly mouth
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I went hypo very quickly one time and was thankful to have a large orange juice in my truck. This was about 1.5 hours after i shot 15iu of Log and i had already consumed plenty of carbs and a meal to cover the requirements. Something weird happen and i felt dizzy, then i started sweating and knew something was wrong. Due to being very informed about Slin, i always carried some orange juice or gatorade with me for a few hours no matter what. I slammed the orange juice and stopped at a gas station to make sure i was alright.
I'm glad OTH is posting up some quality material in here, this subject needs to be taught by someone who has lived it. I've used Slin a few times and while i did get some great gains from it, i won't use it again. I know a few guys who have had some very close calls while using it pre-workout as well. My friend almost passed out in the gym and lucky for him there were a few people there that knew he was on Slin and made him drink a mountain dew while he was laying on the floor.
One thing i do stress about Slin is to tell people you are using it, make sure there are people who live next to you or with you that know you are using it. Even if you follow the protocols very closely crazy things can still happen.
Good luck!
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I went hypo very quickly one time and was thankful to have a large orange juice in my truck. This was about 1.5 hours after i shot 15iu of Log and i had already consumed plenty of carbs and a meal to cover the requirements. Something weird happen and i felt dizzy, then i started sweating and knew something was wrong. Due to being very informed about Slin, i always carried some orange juice or gatorade with me for a few hours no matter what. I slammed the orange juice and stopped at a gas station to make sure i was alright.
I'm glad OTH is posting up some quality material in here, this subject needs to be taught by someone who has lived it. I've used Slin a few times and while i did get some great gains from it, i won't use it again. I know a few guys who have had some very close calls while using it pre-workout as well. My friend almost passed out in the gym and lucky for him there were a few people there that knew he was on Slin and made him drink a mountain dew while he was laying on the floor.
One thing i do stress about Slin is to tell people you are using it, make sure there are people who live next to you or with you that know you are using it. Even if you follow the protocols very closely crazy things can still happen.
Good luck!
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I got one that beats that. After reading "Building The Perfect Beast" by the charlatan ALR, I decided to experiment with some Glypezide. He said it was a nice alternative to exogenous slin. It increases the output of insulin by your pancreas, but you have no control over how much and how long it is released. I took it at like 5 PM after an arm workout. I started going slightly hypo around 10 PM that night. It came on so gradually, that I really didn't recognize it. It got worse, but you lose your right way of thinking when you are truly in a hypo state. So fast forward to 4 AM and I am in the back of an ambulance on the way to the ER with a blood sugar reading of 17, yes I said 17. From say 11 PM to waking up in the ambulance, I don't remember anything. My wife said that I was flicking our bathroom light on at 3 AM non stop. When she woke up, I could not speak coherently, I just kept saying "huh". She called 911 and for whatever reason, told them I was a big guy. They send out like 8 EMT guys, she said they were questioning me like I was having a psychotic episode. They finally checked my BS, and thats when they realized what was going on. It took two full bags of glucose to bring me back, I woke up in the ambulance with the EMT asking me who the President was. I remember thinking, "what the fuck, this idiot doesn't know who the President is?" I quickly realized what was going on and told them about the glypezide. It took another bag of glucose and me eating non stop to get me in the 60's for my BS. They gave me a good talking to and let me go.
So, kiddies out there, DO NOT F AROUND, when it comes to slin, but especially glypezide. They said my size saved my life, a normal size guy would have been in a coma by the time they got to me. If my wife hadn't been there, I would be in all likelihood dead. So, thats my story for the day, this was in 2007 by the way. No slin for me since then, that was back in my all or none days.
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I got one that beats that. After reading "Building The Perfect Beast" by the charlatan ALR, I decided to experiment with some Glypezide. He said it was a nice alternative to exogenous slin. It increases the output of insulin by your pancreas, but you have no control over how much and how long it is released. I took it at like 5 PM after an arm workout. I started going slightly hypo around 10 PM that night. It came on so gradually, that I really didn't recognize it. It got worse, but you lose your right way of thinking when you are truly in a hypo state. So fast forward to 4 AM and I am in the back of an ambulance on the way to the ER with a blood sugar reading of 17, yes I said 17. From say 11 PM to waking up in the ambulance, I don't remember anything. My wife said that I was flicking our bathroom light on at 3 AM non stop. When she woke up, I could not speak coherently, I just kept saying "huh". She called 911 and for whatever reason, told them I was a big guy. They send out like 8 EMT guys, she said they were questioning me like I was having a psychotic episode. They finally checked my BS, and thats when they realized what was going on. It took two full bags of glucose to bring me back, I woke up in the ambulance with the EMT asking me who the President was. I remember thinking, "what the fuck, this idiot doesn't know who the President is?" I quickly realized what was going on and told them about the glypezide. It took another bag of glucose and me eating non stop to get me in the 60's for my BS. They gave me a good talking to and let me go.
So, kiddies out there, DO NOT F AROUND, when it comes to slin, but especially glypezide. They said my size saved my life, a normal size guy would have been in a coma by the time they got to me. If my wife hadn't been there, I would be in all likelihood dead. So, thats my story for the day, this was in 2007 by the way. No slin for me since then, that was back in my all or none days.
But what were the gains like?
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I got one that beats that. After reading "Building The Perfect Beast" by the charlatan ALR, I decided to experiment with some Glypezide. He said it was a nice alternative to exogenous slin. It increases the output of insulin by your pancreas, but you have no control over how much and how long it is released. I took it at like 5 PM after an arm workout. I started going slightly hypo around 10 PM that night. It came on so gradually, that I really didn't recognize it. It got worse, but you lose your right way of thinking when you are truly in a hypo state. So fast forward to 4 AM and I am in the back of an ambulance on the way to the ER with a blood sugar reading of 17, yes I said 17. From say 11 PM to waking up in the ambulance, I don't remember anything. My wife said that I was flicking our bathroom light on at 3 AM non stop. When she woke up, I could not speak coherently, I just kept saying "huh". She called 911 and for whatever reason, told them I was a big guy. They send out like 8 EMT guys, she said they were questioning me like I was having a psychotic episode. They finally checked my BS, and thats when they realized what was going on. It took two full bags of glucose to bring me back, I woke up in the ambulance with the EMT asking me who the President was. I remember thinking, "what the fuck, this idiot doesn't know who the President is?" I quickly realized what was going on and told them about the glypezide. It took another bag of glucose and me eating non stop to get me in the 60's for my BS. They gave me a good talking to and let me go.
So, kiddies out there, DO NOT F AROUND, when it comes to slin, but especially glypezide. They said my size saved my life, a normal size guy would have been in a coma by the time they got to me. If my wife hadn't been there, I would be in all likelihood dead. So, thats my story for the day, this was in 2007 by the way. No slin for me since then, that was back in my all or none days.
Thanks for sharing man. People need to really educate themselves before doing all of this.
Crazy things can happen. I have a lot of crazy stories to tell about this game.
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I got one that beats that. After reading "Building The Perfect Beast" by the charlatan ALR, I decided to experiment with some Glypezide. He said it was a nice alternative to exogenous slin. It increases the output of insulin by your pancreas, but you have no control over how much and how long it is released. I took it at like 5 PM after an arm workout. I started going slightly hypo around 10 PM that night. It came on so gradually, that I really didn't recognize it. It got worse, but you lose your right way of thinking when you are truly in a hypo state. So fast forward to 4 AM and I am in the back of an ambulance on the way to the ER with a blood sugar reading of 17, yes I said 17. From say 11 PM to waking up in the ambulance, I don't remember anything. My wife said that I was flicking our bathroom light on at 3 AM non stop. When she woke up, I could not speak coherently, I just kept saying "huh". She called 911 and for whatever reason, told them I was a big guy. They send out like 8 EMT guys, she said they were questioning me like I was having a psychotic episode. They finally checked my BS, and thats when they realized what was going on. It took two full bags of glucose to bring me back, I woke up in the ambulance with the EMT asking me who the President was. I remember thinking, "what the fuck, this idiot doesn't know who the President is?" I quickly realized what was going on and told them about the glypezide. It took another bag of glucose and me eating non stop to get me in the 60's for my BS. They gave me a good talking to and let me go.
So, kiddies out there, DO NOT F AROUND, when it comes to slin, but especially glypezide. They said my size saved my life, a normal size guy would have been in a coma by the time they got to me. If my wife hadn't been there, I would be in all likelihood dead. So, thats my story for the day, this was in 2007 by the way. No slin for me since then, that was back in my all or none days.
Gives new meaning to playing russian roulette. Sometimes in life you don't get a second chance.
Anyways preaching aside ...
There needs to be stickies on slin use, because no matter what -- some will play around with it. Might as well know the right way to incorporate into one's AAS/GH regimen.
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keep the stories coming, it is better to discourage slin use then to encourage it, very dangerous compound.
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keep the stories coming, it is better to discourage slin use then to encourage it, very dangerous compound.
Most people i know in the industry say slin is the safest hormone to use when used correctly
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BTW going no carbs for a week and having extremely low blood sugar from no glycogen, from no carbs is a shitty feeling but make no mistake this is not the same feeling as going hypo and having your blood sugar levels crash from the slin, the 2 feelings are not even in the same ball park.
Hypo is no joke and it hits hard without the rest of your human biological functions being able to adapt in time so it brings light-headed and nausea, a very precise and distinct feeling, you will know when it happens and when it does drink sugar immediately.
You can go hypo on extremely low carb diets without slin. First time I tried nocarb(only vegggies) I went to bjj practice after a couple weeks off. Had to leave early because I felt sick and sleepy...stupid me didn't know what hypo was. Luckily the gym is only a few blocks from my house. I make it home and passed out...woke up a few hours later in the evening.
Can't say my hypo episode is the same a slin hypo episode but it was hypo.
Dizzy, lightheadedness, cold, disoriented, nauseas...and sleepy as hell. Yeah I went hypo.
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You can go hypo on extremely low carb diets without slin. First time I tried nocarb(only vegggies) I went to bjj practice after a couple weeks off. Had to leave early because I felt sick and sleepy...stupid me didn't know what hypo was. Luckily the gym is only a few blocks from my house. I make it home and passed out...woke up a few hours later in the evening.
Can't say my hypo episode is the same a slin hypo episode but it was hypo.
Dizzy, lightheadedness, cold, disoriented, nauseas...and sleepy as hell. Yeah I went hypo.
You have a fucked up body because regular people release glucagon when blood sugar is too low before they go hypo
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You have a fucked up body because regular people release glucagon when blood sugar is too low before they go hypo
I was 240lbs at the time and my family does have a history of diabetes.
I'm 185 now btw and in a lot better shape cardiovascularly.
Still, on extremely lowcarb diets if I exercise too long or intense I need to have a low cal gatorade for energy.
Just recently gave up on lowcarb... don't need to go lowcarb to lose weight so no point in suffering.
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You can go hypo on extremely low carb diets without slin. First time I tried nocarb(only vegggies) I went to bjj practice after a couple weeks off. Had to leave early because I felt sick and sleepy...stupid me didn't know what hypo was. Luckily the gym is only a few blocks from my house. I make it home and passed out...woke up a few hours later in the evening.
Can't say my hypo episode is the same a slin hypo episode but it was hypo.
Dizzy, lightheadedness, cold, disoriented, nauseas...and sleepy as hell. Yeah I went hypo.
I have never heard of this ^^, by definition if you go hypo on low carb diet then you have diabetes, plain and simple,this is the definition of diabetes is going hypo, no non diabetic can go hypo in other words it only happens when you lack insulin or something is wrong with your pancreas.
Let me explain this further, slin drops all nutrients in the blood stream, it does not only drop the carbs, it drops the amino acids, the fatty acids, it drops nutrients from vitamin A to Vitamin E to calcium to magnesium, it drop s everything and leaves your blood flow empty of everything hence '' you go hypo''
dropping just carbs from your blood is not enough to go hypo, you have tons of back up from all kinds of other nutrients lingering in the blood.
this is why when you go hypo, sugar works well because it is the primary source of fuel but you still need more vitamins and nutrients to follow up as well to replenish everything you lost.
Slin is so powerful it sucks all the nutrients from the blood, it is the most powerful anabolic hormone in the human body
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Most people i know in the industry say slin is the safest hormone to use when used correctly
true but so easy to misuse.
One guy was in the hospital because he filled the whole slin pin up to 100 ius thinking it was only 10 iu's he was taking because he does gh all the the time and the entire pin in terms of gh is only 10 iu and he thought the same with slin but the entire pin in slin is in fact 100 iu so he almost died.
Also taking slin gives you a limit in the gym or in your caloric out put, ignore this and you are in the hospital, I mean you can not take slin and run a marathon, you will die. people need to know this before they use it, very dangerous.
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true but so easy to misuse.
One guy was in the hospital because he filled the whole slin pin up to 100 ius thinking it was only 10 iu's he was taking because he does gh all the the time and the entire pin in terms of gh is only 10 iu and he thought the same with slin but the entire pin in slin is in fact 100 iu so he almost died.
Also taking slin gives you a limit in the gym or in your caloric out put, ignore this and you are in the hospital, I mean you can not take slin and run a marathon, you will die. people need to know this before they use it, very dangerous.
More info on this?
Also, one factor many people seem to have missed is the size of these people. If you're 175lb and 6% then you will have a significantly less amount of fat than a guy that is 240lb and 6%. The percentage of body fat may be the same so they look just as lean but simply because they have more fat on their body they will hold more fat on the face
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I have never heard of this ^^, by definition if you go hypo on low carb diet then you have diabetes, plain and simple,this is the definition of diabetes is going hypo, no non diabetic can go hypo in other words it only happens when you lack insulin or something is wrong with your pancreas.
Let me explain this further, slin drops all nutrients in the blood stream, it does not only drop the carbs, it drops the amino acids, the fatty acids, it drops nutrients from vitamin A to Vitamin E to calcium to magnesium, it drop s everything and leaves your blood flow empty of everything hence '' you go hypo''
dropping just carbs from your blood is not enough to go hypo, you have tons of back up from all kinds of other nutrients lingering in the blood.
this is why when you go hypo, sugar works well because it is the primary source of fuel but you still need more vitamins and nutrients to follow up as well to replenish everything you lost.
Slin is so powerful it sucks all the nutrients from the blood, it is the most powerful anabolic hormone in the human body
People who are diabetic are chronically hyperglycemic, not hypoglycemic. Typically the only time they are hypo is if they take too much slin, or don't eat enough carbs for coverage. A non diabetic can certainly go hypo on a no carb diet, if they do this doesn't mean they're diabetic.
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One guy was in the hospital because he filled the whole slin pin up to 100 ius thinking it was only 10 iu's he was taking because he does gh all the the time and the entire pin in terms of gh is only 10 iu and he thought the same with slin but the entire pin in slin is in fact 100 iu so he almost died.
I had a close friend do this with his very first run of Slin, i think it was the first injection ever. Thankfully his brother was at his house and knew what to do.
He called me the next day and explained, he felt like such an idiot, but he was a smart guy and mistakes happen.
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yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.
some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.
but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.
same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.
science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.
btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates
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People who are diabetic are chronically hyperglycemic, not hypoglycemic. Typically the only time they are hypo is if they take too much slin, or don't eat enough carbs for coverage. A non diabetic can certainly go hypo on a no carb diet, if they do this doesn't mean they're diabetic.
ok maybe you are right but my point is a low carb diet produces a low energy level that any lazy person can mistaken sluggishness for hypo,
I mean take both me and galeniko here, we have both gone 50 days no carbs, are you kidding 50 days? if 50 days cause no hypo then I doubt the person claiming to get hypo from a low carb diet is getting hypo that slin cause, guarantee it is just sluggishness, certainly not the same ball park.
Can no carb diet cause nausea, dizziness and light headed? yes but hypo is severe, extreme and hits like a ton of brick, can not be same thing here.
EDIT' GAL HAS GONE HYPO ON A NO CARB DIET, THOUGHT HE HASN'T, I GUESS I AM WRONG. :-\
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More info on this?
Also, one factor many people seem to have missed is the size of these people. If you're 175lb and 6% then you will have a significantly less amount of fat than a guy that is 240lb and 6%. The percentage of body fat may be the same so they look just as lean but simply because they have more fat on their body they will hold more fat on the face
exercise causes blood to flow at faster rate, hence the more exercise you do the harder the blood will run out of nutrients with a slin shot, to much output will cause you to go hypo. You can not take 10 iu of a slin shot if you are not used to it and spend 3 hours in the gym, you will crash.
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yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.
some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.
but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.
same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.
science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.
btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates
obviously, the blood transport the nutrients, it is our bodybuilding lingo ;) slin delivers nutrients into the muscle, well the blood delivers the nutrients and the slin allows them to enter at the cellular level, bodybuilders say slin delivers nutrients, slang.
I did not know you have experienced hypo before, I just wrote a post saying you have not, MY BAD, I thought you said before you have not. I go no carbs all the time, never have gone hypo, even 50 days straight, no hypo. Sluggish and dizzy yes but not what I have felt after a slin shot when I did not take in any carbs, entirely different feeling from no carbs.
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I had a close friend do this with his very first run of Slin, i think it was the first injection ever. Thankfully his brother was at his house and knew what to do.
He called me the next day and explained, he felt like such an idiot, but he was a smart guy and mistakes happen.
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exercise causes blood to flow at faster rate, hence the more exercise you do the harder the blood will run out of nutrients with a slin shot, to much output will cause you to go hypo. You can not take 10 iu of a slin shot if you are not used to it and spend 3 hours in the gym, you will crash.
Cheers. I'll stick to post workout for a while I think
Of course getting the biggest pump possible is critical for insulin use. What is the preferred method to keep the pump? Any decent supplements? I can't afford viagra unfortunately.
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Cheers. I'll stick to post workout for a while I think
Of course getting the biggest pump possible is critical for insulin use. What is the preferred method to keep the pump? Any decent supplements? I can't afford viagra unfortunately.
all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.
As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.
On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.
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all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.
As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.
On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.
Thanks, I will try out Arginine Alphaketogluterate and see how that is
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yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.
some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.
but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.
same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.
science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.
btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates
yah, a non type 1 diabetic can go hypo on low carb diet, i managed too.
some fatter ppl are borderline type 2 diabetics,they reversable kind, can even depend on what meal they had, some meals raise glucose levels extremly high some dont etc.
but one has to go extreme low cals and no carbs, but it can happen, and yah some ppl are almost type 2 diabetics.
same thing, lmost passing out, cant think a whole sentence, youre mentaly lost etc etc.
science clesrly states it can happen to non diabetics, have the book right in my hands.
btw oth i dont want to be cherry icking, but slin doesnt transport nutritients as its always said, it acts as "key" to open the gates
I was probably on around 600 cals. :o
Not smart trying to do bjj on almost no carbs(only a little broccoli) and so few cals.
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ok maybe you are right but my point is a low carb diet produces a low energy level that any lazy person can mistaken sluggishness for hypo,
I mean take both me and galeniko here, we have both gone 50 days no carbs, are you kidding 50 days? if 50 days cause no hypo then I doubt the person claiming to get hypo from a low carb diet is getting hypo that slin cause, guarantee it is just sluggishness, certainly not the same ball park.
Can no carb diet cause nausea, dizziness and light headed? yes but hypo is severe, extreme and hits like a ton of brick, can not be same thing here.
EDIT' GAL HAS GONE HYPO ON A NO CARB DIET, THOUGHT HE HASN'T, I GUESS I AM WRONG. :-\
OTH you sounded so sure of yourself telling me what I EXPERIENCED. Please next time just do a little research.
I went hypo on extremely low carbs and cals. I don't have diabetes.
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I was probably on around 600 cals. :o
Not smart trying to do bjj on almost no carbs(only a little broccoli) and so few cals.
I have been that low too and spent 12 hours on the roof ;)
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OTH you sounded so sure of yourself telling me what I EXPERIENCED. Please next time just do a little research.
I went hypo on extremely low carbs and cals. I don't have diabetes.
I am sorry I came across as such an asshole but I hold my position that way too many people are just soft when it comes to dieting and make a million excuses, people throw that word ''hypo'' around while dieting, to me its a joke. Meanwhile people are dropping off of slin and taken to the hospital, that is hypo.
I have to be harsh so people on here don't think ''oh well the low carb diet made me hypo, i can handle that feeling no problem'' next thing you know they shoot slin like its going out of style and wind up dead cause they were mislead into thinking the 2 feelings are the same.
They are not the same, find they are both classified as being ''hypo'' so you were ''hypo'' sorry I was wrong then, either way the feelings are different from crashing off a slin shot and that was the point I was trying to make.
again sorry for being a dickhead in process.
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I have been that low too and spent 12 hours on the roof ;)
yah sometimes, theres no issues, or only after having a small meal again, i went more than 2 days wo food no problemo, but eventualy it hits ;D
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I am sorry I came across as such an asshole but I hold my position that way too many people are just soft when it comes to dieting and make a million excuses, people throw that word ''hypo'' around while dieting, to me its a joke. Meanwhile people are dropping off of slin and taken to the hospital, that is hypo.
They are not the same, find they are both classified as being ''hypo'' so you were ''hypo'' sorry I was wrong then, either way the feelings are different from crashing off a slin shot and that was the point I was trying to make.
This X 10000. Reread my post about me being hypo, that's the real deal. What the majority here are describing low blood sugar. If we all went truly hypo on low carb/low cal diets, the ER and even the morgue would be filled with bodybuilders. I get shaky, chills, tired all the time on low carb/no carb diets. Guess what? That's normal and your body adjusts.
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all my bodybuilder friends and most are national level and ifbb pro swear by arginine or NO2 or that ball park, everyone of them. Pre-workout slin shot with no2 and juice instead of water, then a protein drink with glutamin and bcaa's and believe it or not a lot use creatine.
As for the dark side of the fence, TNE and D-bol keep the pump for hours after the gym, it is also a must for the elite bodybuilders, this is what they do, this is the secret protocols.
On all out assault would also include caffeine and ephedrine, if you can handle all of this in one go surrounding your workout you will grow faster then you could ever imagine, but not a safe approach and just the sheer discomfort of all this is pure madness, but it works.
Do any of them bother with injectable arginine?
Also, I've read that Hany Rambod eschews the use of caffeine or other stimulants pre-workout because they constrict blood vessels, impairing pump/bloodflow. Does he actually do this with his clients? Or just Flex magazine hype?
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This X 10000. Reread my post about me being hypo, that's the real deal. What the majority here are describing low blood sugar. If we all went truly hypo on low carb/low cal diets, the ER and even the morgue would be filled with bodybuilders. I get shaky, chills, tired all the time on low carb/no carb diets. Guess what? That's normal and your body adjusts.
yes yes, exactly^^^...... and one medical term ''hypo'' is put in place of 2 distinct scenario's when a specific feeling when taking a slin shot and crashing is not even remotely close to the other feeling.
Back to what i was saying if the feeling someone gets from low carb dieting is like the feeling you described then they are diabetics or else they would not get that specific feeling and very good point, if the feeling from dieting was the same tons of bodybuilders would be dropping like flies.
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Do any of them bother with injectable arginine?
Also, I've read that Hany Rambod eschews the use of caffeine or other stimulants pre-workout because they constrict blood vessels, impairing pump/bloodflow. Does he actually do this with his clients? Or just Flex magazine hype?
well i can not be certain on what Hany actually does but judging by Phil's face and more specific his eyes wide open while training, he is definitely on stimulants for his workouts 100%, contrast Phil's look to Victor's who does not take any stimulants during his workouts, at least it does not seem so, Victor looks half asleep lol.
Interesting point you bring up though, I will look into it cause you are right caffeine/ephedrine may diminish a pump, especially without the aspirin. I will also ask about injectable arginine.
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well i can not be certain on what Hany actually does but judging by Phil's face and more specific his eyes wide open while training, he is definitely on stimulants for his workouts 100%, contrast Phil's look to Victor's who does not take any stimulants during his workouts, at least it does not seem so, Victor looks half asleep lol.
Interesting point you bring up though, I will look into it cause you are right caffeine/ephedrine may diminish a pump, especially without the aspirin. I will also ask about injectable arginine.
I'm with you 100%, I think the increased intensity from stimulants totally offsets any negative effects from the vasoconstriction, but Hany even went so far as to make his pre-workout stimulant-free, so maybe he practices what he preaches.
As for Victor Martinez, I think his eyes just look closed because he's always high ;D