Minimum Wage - Depressing Numbers

[The_Hammer]

Assfucked

[Natural Man]

Too many unqualifed spoiled lazy uneducated frustrated people, less and less jobs... the selection process will be brutal.

[Coach is Back!]

Keep raising the minimum wage along with taxes and it will be the businesses that Will ass fucked. But since the left isn't too good with numbers, its hard for you to comprehend.

[mass243]

Minimum wage is an artificial mechanism disrupting the pricing of work and therefore one of the main drivers behind unemployment among other things.

[The_Hammer]

Keep raising the minimum wage along with taxes and it will be the businesses that Will ass fucked. But since the left isn't too good with numbers, its hard for you to comprehend.

How ironic that you mention numbers, when the numbers reveal that increasing the minimum wage by about three dollars has zero effect on inflation, and cost a few pennies to business, who for the last 40 or so years have made massive profits while wages stagnated.

Your argument is invalid.

[The_Hammer]

Minimum wage is an artificial mechanism disrupting the pricing of work and therefore one of the main drivers of unemployment among other things.

Clarify how it "disrupts the price of work".

[Natural Man]

There wont be any "painless" solution, it can only end in blood and the most adapted will survive, as usual. There are too many people and our own specie cant provide enough jobs for them all especially considering scientific progress reduces the need for people working manual jobs. There is an urgent need to control births worldwide, you cant have stupid, ugly, lazy, violent, frustrated people unable to produce shit for mankind breeding like cockroaches and playing video games all day long while ruining medical and educational systems in the first world indefinitly. Again, it will be brutal.

[The_Hammer]

There wont be any "painless" solution, it can only end in blood and the most adapted will survive, as usual. There are too many people and our own specie cant provide enough jobs for them all. There is an urgent need to control births worldwide, you cant have stupid, ugly, lazy, violent, frustrated people unable to produce shit for mankind breeding like cockroaches and playing video games all day long while ruining medical and educational systems in the first world indefinitly. Again, it will be brutal.

I agree that the worlds population needs to be controlled and downsized.  Natural resources essential to life like drinkable water and phosphorous are projected to start diminishing within the next 50 years unless we develop some kind of technology to create or substitute them.

[mass243]

Clarify how it "disrupts the price of work".

Not every worker is equal in productivity, I assume we all agree on this.

If employer wants to employ workforce for some simple "low-profile" jobs, he must pay them all the same regardless of how good they are at their work.
This means the price of work is not proportionate to productivity.
It would be illogical to pay someone more than what he (or his work) is worth.
So the employer don't hire.
Now, if he could pay according to productivity he could employ.


One of the most worrying things I see here is that employers can't pay young people less than the "minimum level".
This makes it difficult for employers to employ young persons fresh from school who don't have experience... their know-how is not on level of a professional yet but employer must pay them the wages of professional.

[Coach is Back!]

How ironic that you mention numbers, when the numbers reveal that increasing the minimum wage by about three dollars has zero effect on inflation, and cost a few pennies to business, who for the last 40 or so years have made massive profits while wages stagnated.

Your argument is invalid.

That's FUCKING horseshit. That's the left's numbers manipulated I guarantee it. It's business commonsense. Anytime you decreased the Bottomline it takes away from growth. But since most dems are on the tax payer dole and never made a living in the private sector, again, its beyond their comprehension.

[The_Hammer]

Not every worker is equal in productivity, I assume we all agree on this.

If employer wants to employ workforce for some simple "low-profile" jobs, he must pay them all the same regardless of how good they are at their work.
This means the price of work is not proportionate to productivity.
It would be illogical to pay someone more than what he (or his work) is worth.
So the employer don't hire.
Now, if he could pay according to productivity he could employ.

I get your argument, but I don't attribute high unemployment to the value of a worker, but to the adaptation of business to maintain or even increase production and profit with a smaller workforce.

Increasing minimum wage will cost businesses money (a few cents), but relative to productivity of workers and profit over the last 40 years its been very unbalanced; unfair.

[Palpatine Q]

Yes it is a shame that mr. High powered executive cant have a Mrecedes, Range Rover AND a Ferrari because those pesky "workers" cant be paid less then 7 dollars and some change. 

[Jack T. Cross]

Yes it is a shame that mr. High powered executive cant have a Mrecedes, Range Rover AND a Ferrari because those pesky "workers" cant be paid less then 7 dollars and some change.  

...but of course the reality is that he can--and absolutely does--have his Ferrari, too, anyway.  That's the big fucking lie about this whole thing.

People are going to have to get real about this shit.  One way or another, they will be forced to process this truth.

[Palpatine Q]

...but of course the reality is that he can--and absolutely does--have his Ferrari, too, anyway.  That's the big fucking lie about this whole thing.

People are going to have to get real about this shit.  One way or another, they will be forced to process this truth.

Agree 100%   .......just,making a point.

Thats whats  such bullshit.....like that Pappa John Scumbag whining about healthcare.  You know what the real religion of this country is ?  PROFIT.   nothing else comes close.

[Jack T. Cross]

Agree 100%   .......just,making a point.

Thats whats  such bullshit.....like that Pappa John Scumbag whining about healthcare.  You know what the real religion of this country is ?  PROFIT.   nothing else comes close.

So help me, this is our weakness.  It may kill us.

[dr.chimps]

Keep raising the minimum wage along with taxes and it will be the businesses that Will ass fucked. But since the left isn't too good with numbers, its hard for you to comprehend.

 

[Jack T. Cross]

Turn off FOX for a few minutes, Coach.  Take a fucking breath.

[Jack T. Cross]

...fucking corrupted media.  I'm telling you...

[Wiggs]

Turn off FOX for a few minutes, Coach.  Take a fucking breath.

lololololol.
Coach will forever be trapped in the abyss of Left v. Right. It's totally irrelevant now and Coach argues it like it matters. lol

[Jack T. Cross]

...this POS media, and its misdirection.  I've fucking had it.

[Palpatine Q]

lololololol.
Coach will forever be trapped in the abyss of Left v. Right. It's totally irrelevant now and Coach argues it like it matters. lol

Agreed.

Following politics...hahahaaaaaa.  Gotta stay "informed" of the latest load of utter bullshit they spoon feed you

[Jack T. Cross]

lololololol.
Coach will forever be trapped in the abyss of Left v. Right. It's totally irrelevant now and Coach argues it like it matters. lol

Funny thing is, he thinks he is a model citizen.  The whole thing is so fucking stupid and unacceptable, it's actually outrageous.

[Jack T. Cross]

Grow up, Coach.  Don't you think it's time?

[GigantorX]

About 5% of the workforce is even earning minimum wage in this country. That is why you don't see an uptick in inflation, barely anyone actually makes minimum wage, which is why this argument is fodder for low-info voters and red meat for whichever base is being targeted.

Minimum wage is an artificial and arbitrary number that is attached to a unit of labor and thus does disrupt the actual cost of labor, but again, hardly anyone is actual making minimum wage. Burger flippers, big box store shelf fillers and the like make above it.

There is no such thing as raising min. wage to a point were "families can live on it." It isn't possible and it's a lie and wasn't what min. wage was intended to be, nor should it. That family will be two low-skill workers, making an artificially high wage that are gorging on govt. welfare and govt. funded programs.

This is all a red herring.  

Free trade
Globalization
The Financial monopolies
The sad fact that this country is a command economy that lacks a true free market
Rising cost of living
Fed Policy

Those are what are what is driving the nation into the ground. Not a some arbitrary wage level for no-skill workers.

[oldtimer1]

...this POS media, and its misdirection.  I've fucking had it.

The liberals like you have ABC,NBC and CBS news in your pocket. Add the cable news channels and you almost have a clean sweep. Lets see which newspapers lean liberal? The NY Times, Washington Post, NY Daily news and the majority across the country lean to the left. The computer news outlets like the Huffington post and Yahoo news pound the drum for Obama and crew. Speaking of the Huffington post it used to be conservative but it so threatened the left it was brought. Suddenly every news story about politics praised the democrats and slammed the Republicans.

I guess you want FOX off of cable so the left can enjoy a clean sweep of biased and unbalanced news reporting concerning politics.

Who ever controls the media controls the simpletons who vote. That's how Obama, Biden, and democrat crew got in control and wrecked the economy. This is where you bring up Bush. The economy was doing great  until the house and the senate went democratic under him and ruined the economy.