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Rachel Jeantel: "Travyon Hit First"
Real Clear Politics ^ | July 17, 2013
Posted on Wednesday, July 17, 2013 4:48:00 PM by
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/07/17/rachel_jeantel_travyon_hit_first.html
On Huffington Post Live today, Rachel Jeantel expounded on her thoughts on what occurred when Zimmerman and Martin met face to face. "I believe Trayvon hit first," she said. She went on to describe how she believed that Trayvon throwing the first punch was likely caused by Zimmerman attempting to grab and detain Martin. (via Huff Post)
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to believe trayvon swung first - you have to believe the other part of her story. That is, zimm tried to detain him.
You are completely justfied to punch someone who isn't a cop - who chases and tries to detain you.
so what is it, 33, tell us which HALF of this story you want to believe. can't have it both ways dude
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to believe trayvon swung first - you have to believe the other part of her story. That is, zimm tried to detain him.
You are completely justfied to punch someone who isn't a cop - who chases and tries to detain you.
so what is it, 33, tell us which HALF of this story you want to believe. can't have it both ways dude
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rolling eye = conceding the point, dude. I think the fat liar is full of shit, but probably right on this. I bet she was screaming "kick his ass trayvon!" and the whole situation was instigated by her.
But dude, to accept her version - a person we know is full of shit - to accept what she says, you have to accept zimm tried to detain him. ILLEGAL. Can't do it. Detain a grown man and you get a bullet in the belly. Picking on kids is better, I guess.
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rolling eye = conceding the point, dude. I think the fat liar is full of shit, but probably right on this. I bet she was screaming "kick his ass trayvon!" and the whole situation was instigated by her.
But dude, to accept her version - a person we know is full of shit - to accept what she says, you have to accept zimm tried to detain him. ILLEGAL. Can't do it. Detain a grown man and you get a bullet in the belly. Picking on kids is better, I guess.
If Ashtray was afraid he was a rapist - why didn't he call the cops or his dad or simply run away himself?
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How many times did I say on this board that I believed Zimmerman tried to detain Martin which is consistent with Martins actions i.e wanna be cop suspecting Martin of being a criminal and then following Martin after having told 911 something to the effect of these guys always get away
Zimmerman had no authority to stop or detain Martin and if Martin had every right to defend himself against if Zimmerman
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If Ashtray was afraid he was a rapist - why didn't he call the cops or his dad or simply run away himself?
i dunno, why can't high school juniors display the same intellect and calm as armed 30-somethigns with advanced degrees like us? and why can't my cat understand algebra?
he's a kid, he's limited mental capacity. zimm was the older man with gun training and permit... he shoudl have known better. he was the armed adult in this situation. trayvon should have been dealt with by the police. however, since he didn't commit any crimes that night...
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How many times did I say on this board that I believed Zimmerman tried to detain Martin which is consistent with Martins actions i.e wanna be cop suspecting Martin of being a criminal and then following Martin after having told 911 something to the effect of these guys always get away
Zimmerman had no authority to stop or detain Martin and if Martin had every right to defend himself against if Zimmerman
Did Zimm have handcuffs on him?
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Zimmerman had no authority to stop or detain Martin and if Martin had every right to defend himself against if Zimmerman
I'm pretty sure you can detain anyone in thuggish clothes, under FL law. Only if they're 6 foot 1 in sneakers.
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If Ashtray was afraid he was a rapist - why didn't he call the cops or his dad or simply run away himself?
simple, because Zimmerman had caught up to him and tried to detain him
now he is defending himself against someone who hadn't identified himself as a neighborhood watch or anything else
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Did Zimm have handcuffs on him?
you can detain someone by just telling them to lay on the ground and don't move.
he had a gun, which usually makes people listen when you're unlawfully detaining them.
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simple, because Zimmerman had caught up to him and tried to detain him
now he is defending himself against someone who hadn't identified himself as a neighborhood watch or anything else
pure speculation
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Did Zimm have handcuffs on him?
what a stupid question
why would that make any difference
If someone is following you and they don't even identify themselves and puts their hand on you to try to stop you from continuing on your way.....what do YOU do ?
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pure speculation
isn't that what you started this thread about
pure speculation from Jeantel about how the altercation started
isn't it completely consistent with the prior actions of Zimmerman
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rolling eye = conceding the point, dude. I think the fat liar is full of shit, but probably right on this. I bet she was screaming "kick his ass trayvon!" and the whole situation was instigated by her.
But dude, to accept her version - a person we know is full of shit - to accept what she says, you have to accept zimm tried to detain him. ILLEGAL. Can't do it. Detain a grown man and you get a bullet in the belly. Picking on kids is better, I guess.
Why? You lie all the time. In fact, normally you're caught on an almost daily basis. Picking and sorting out small nuggets of truth is next to impossible.
Some may be true, some may not be true.
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simple, because Zimmerman had caught up to him and tried to detain him
now he is defending himself against someone who hadn't identified himself as a neighborhood watch or anything else
Zimmerman didn't try to detain him. He lost Martin and was returning to his truck. It was during that time and while trying to get an address for the 911 dispatcher (as he intended to meet the police) when Martin confronted and ATTACKED him.
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Zimmerman didn't try to detain him. He lost Martin and was returning to his truck. It was during that time and while trying to get an address for the 911 dispatcher (as he intended to meet the police) when Martin confronted and ATTACKED him.
hermann cain was framed by 14 simultaneous women, too. We know. MCWAY, youre a smart dude, but come on man, your burden of proof is silliness. You don't have a bullshit detector where you small a person is bullshitting us.
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The OP's brain just shut down. It's like he forgot his argument. Funny shit
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Zimmerman didn't try to detain him. He lost Martin and was returning to his truck. It was during that time and while trying to get an address for the 911 dispatcher (as he intended to meet the police) when Martin confronted and ATTACKED him.
Is that information documented in the evidence somewhere? It would shut up a lot of asshats that have been talking to me about the case.
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Zimmerman didn't try to detain him. He lost Martin and was returning to his truck. It was during that time and while trying to get an address for the 911 dispatcher (as he intended to meet the police) when Martin confronted and ATTACKED him.
that was his story. He made up a lot of other stuff to benefit him and his right to shoot to kill. So for me personally, I think he was looking for trayvon, not trying to get an address for 2 minutes. he was probably peeking around, looking for trayvon. He was neighborhood watch for 4 years there- I'm pretty sure he knew the street name ;) LOL
Anyone who believes him, well, you can if you want. I can call it a justified and legal shoot, while at the same time saying zimm is a bold-faced liar on this part of the tale. "I was looking for an address for 2 minutes". No, you were looking for the punk bitch who stole your bike! LOL But if you TELL the jury you were looking for the kid you just chased, then later shot, well, it looks realllly bad for that self defense thing, which again, I think was legal.
He was lying repeatedly about the bread when the meat in the middle of the sandwich was legit.
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In my opinion the 3 major points of contention are...
a. Did Zimmerman racially profile Trayvon Martin, finding him suspicious solely because he was black?
b. Did Zimmerman murder Trayvon Martin in cold blood?
c. Would Zimmerman have been convicted had Trayvon Martin been white.
There is zero hard evidence that demonstrates that the answer to any of these questions is yes. On the contrary there is quite a bit of evidence that says the answer is no. A lot of people, Obama included, are looking at this case with their own bias and ignoring the facts of the case.
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How many times did I say on this board that I believed Zimmerman tried to detain Martin which is consistent with Martins actions i.e wanna be cop suspecting Martin of being a criminal and then following Martin after having told 911 something to the effect of these guys always get away
Zimmerman had no authority to stop or detain Martin and if Martin had every right to defend himself against if Zimmerman
What you believe and what the evidence shows are as night and day.
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that was his story. He made up a lot of other stuff to benefit him and his right to shoot to kill. So for me personally, I think he was looking for trayvon, not trying to get an address for 2 minutes. he was probably peeking around, looking for trayvon. He was neighborhood watch for 4 years there- I'm pretty sure he knew the street name ;) LOL
Anyone who believes him, well, you can if you want. I can call it a justified and legal shoot, while at the same time saying zimm is a bold-faced liar on this part of the tale. "I was looking for an address for 2 minutes". No, you were looking for the punk bitch who stole your bike! LOL But if you TELL the jury you were looking for the kid you just chased, then later shot, well, it looks realllly bad for that self defense thing, which again, I think was legal.
He was lying repeatedly about the bread when the meat in the middle of the sandwich was legit.
He gets the benefit of the doubt, unless the evidence says the contrary. IT DOESN'T.
You and all these other Martin sympathizers keep up with these "would've, could've, should've" routines, because you have NO PROOF that Zimmerman attacked, assaulted, or tried to detain Martin. And Jeantel's testimony rips the sweet innocent Travyon tapestry to shreds.
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He gets the benefit of the doubt, unless the evidence says the contrary. IT DOESN'T.
You and all these other Martin sympathizers keep up with these "would've, could've, should've" routines, because you have NO PROOF that Zimmerman attacked, assaulted, or tried to detain Martin. And Jeantel's testimony rips the sweet innocent Travyon tapestry to shreds.
End of thread.
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I can't wait until this trial is over.
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He gets the benefit of the doubt, unless the evidence says the contrary. IT DOESN'T.
You and all these other Martin sympathizers keep up with these "would've, could've, should've" routines, because you have NO PROOF that Zimmerman attacked, assaulted, or tried to detain Martin. And Jeantel's testimony rips the sweet innocent Travyon tapestry to shreds.
Eh, I dunno man... you 'give the benefit of the doubt' to hermann cain over 14 women with accusations. You give zimerman the benefit of doubt - even though he really did lie about a bunch of the other details.
Sometimes I think ya just kinda lean toward the person you prefer. If ONE of those 14 women was caught in a lie, you'd discredit all of them. Yet ZImmerman lies about a lot of things about the shooting - and he's still credible?
Dunno man. The shoot was legal but he's a fcking liar, head to toe. He doesn't belong in prison, but I would hope people would just say "yeah, he's a big fcking liar, no doubt about it". People who won't accept he lied - even when his own lawyer admitted it - well,, I dunno man. whatever. just a debate board.
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Eh, I dunno man... you 'give the benefit of the doubt' to hermann cain over 14 women with accusations. You give zimerman the benefit of doubt - even though he really did lie about a bunch of the other details.
Sometimes I think ya just kinda lean toward the person you prefer. If ONE of those 14 women was caught in a lie, you'd discredit all of them. Yet ZImmerman lies about a lot of things about the shooting - and he's still credible?
Dunno man. The shoot was legal but he's a fcking liar, head to toe. He doesn't belong in prison, but I would hope people would just say "yeah, he's a big fcking liar, no doubt about it". People who won't accept he lied - even when his own lawyer admitted it - well,, I dunno man. whatever. just a debate board.
Is it any surprise that the board liar cries loudest about Zimmerman being a liar?
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Eh, I dunno man... you 'give the benefit of the doubt' to hermann cain over 14 women with accusations. You give zimerman the benefit of doubt - even though he really did lie about a bunch of the other details.
Sometimes I think ya just kinda lean toward the person you prefer. If ONE of those 14 women was caught in a lie, you'd discredit all of them. Yet ZImmerman lies about a lot of things about the shooting - and he's still credible?
Dunno man. The shoot was legal but he's a fcking liar, head to toe. He doesn't belong in prison, but I would hope people would just say "yeah, he's a big fcking liar, no doubt about it". People who won't accept he lied - even when his own lawyer admitted it - well,, I dunno man. whatever. just a debate board.
Once again, when your ridiculous claim get skewered, you dredge up crap that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
What I accept is the evidence and measure it against people's statements. And, just as I sided with Cain when the evidence backed him (as in the NRA investigation clearing him vs. the women refusing to cite what Cain supposedly did and the rest either got caught lying or clamming up when it was time to go on the record), I sided with Zimmerman based on the evidence that supports his claims.
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to believe trayvon swung first - you have to believe the other part of her story. That is, zimm tried to detain him.
You are completely justfied to punch someone who isn't a cop - who chases and tries to detain you.
so what is it, 33, tell us which HALF of this story you want to believe. can't have it both ways dude
No you are not.
I can detain anyone by stepping in front of them as long as I do not touch them.
If they touch ME, then they have assaulted me... I can intersect anyone at anytime by body movement and attempt to step in front of them.
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what a stupid question
why would that make any difference
If someone is following you and they don't even identify themselves and puts their hand on you to try to stop you from continuing on your way.....what do YOU do ?
You have no basis to say that he put his hands on him or even tried to.
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You have no basis to say that he put his hands on him or even tried to.
EXACTLY!!
Straw and 240 keep making up imaginary scenarios, to support their Trayvon narrative. Yet, when you have the evidence at hands, those narratives go up in smoke.
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we don't know who swung first. The only evidence that trayvon swung first is the word of a man who lied about a few other things about that confrontation.
So I consider that evidence to be discredited. Anyway, doesn't matter who swung first - still a legal shoot because under FL law, EVEN IF Zimmerman chased trayvon down and started the fight - at some point DURING the fight, the person that started it is allowed to decide "I WISH TO EXIT THIS FIGHT" and then, if trayvon keeps punching, zimm can shoot in self-defense.
So the shoot was legal - even if Trayvon or zimm started it. I just think it's ignorant as fck to believe zimmerman on that, when he lied about the other details. It's okay to say "we just don't know who started fight - doesn't matter because shoot is legal either way". It's ignorant to say "I believe zimmerman, who lied about the other thigns".
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I can intersect anyone at anytime by body movement and attempt to step in front of them.
well, police can charge you with a few things... menacing, public disturbance... they can always tack SOMETHING to you. Don't believe me? Go walk in front of the police station and start startin down citizens, stepping in their way lol... see if Johnny Law doesn't slap bracelets on you and arrest you for SOMETHING. They will assign something to it. I'm sure our lawyer folks here can attest to that. Besides, in FL, I can say I feared for my life due to your ripped physique, and shoot your brains out. It's a crazy law.
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well, police can charge you with a few things... menacing, public disturbance... they can always tack SOMETHING to you. Don't believe me? Go walk in front of the police station and start startin down citizens, stepping in their way lol... see if Johnny Law doesn't slap bracelets on you and arrest you for SOMETHING. They will assign something to it. I'm sure our lawyer folks here can attest to that. Besides, in FL, I can say I feared for my life due to your ripped physique, and shoot your brains out. It's a crazy law.
You're really making up a lot of things right here.